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Goh's Eternatus

Hey Force Fire. Can I get an update on User:Reinhartmax/Goh's Eternatus being mainspaced? Thanks.--Reinhartmax (talk) 15:04, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

No progress as of yet.--ForceFire 05:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Template edit request

Do you think the Battle Zone could deserve its own separate section on the {{Sinnoh}} template, similar to how the Isle of Armor and the Crown Tundra have theirs on the {{Galar}} template? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I think the Battle Zone is more connected with the Sinnoh mainland than IoA and Crown Tundra, so they shouldn't be separated.--ForceFire 05:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Shining Fates Page Creation

Hey there, Shining Fates (TCG) is pretty close to coming out and almost all, if not all, of the cards are confirmed now. I would do it myself, if I could, but I'm not there yet. Thanks! - unsigned comment from MasterEmerald (talkcontribs)

I'm sure a page will be made whenever someone can make it.--ForceFire 05:46, 6 February 2021 (UTC)


It appears that the user Luigisam is a vandal. They vandalized the talk page for Hidden Land so badly that it won't even open in the editor due to the size of the file (over 3k kilobytes), and I receive an error whenever I try to revert their edit. - unsigned comment from SpinyShell (talkcontribs)

Looks like it's been dealt with.--ForceFire 05:02, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
Dynamicpokemaster (talkcontribs) made an inappropriate edit that I reversed. Probably counts them as a vandal. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:01, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Since it's one of their three edits, and they haven't edited since, I'd let it go for now. If they do it again, then they'll be warned.--ForceFire 16:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Chloe's Eevee

Given its role in JN049 and JN055, I was wondering if User:BigDocFan/Chloe's Eevee was notable enough to be mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 08:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

I would think so, it has had a notable role in a couple of its episodes and is basically Chloe's signature.--ForceFire 16:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

I might have found a bug

When I try to click on the sidebar, nothing respond except the search bar and the other languages options. Is it a problem coming from Bulbapedia or from my navigator?Kristak (talk) 12:05, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Are you using mobile or desktop? Everything is fine on my end.--ForceFire 16:41, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Nevermind, it is functional again. Thanks for responding.Kristak (talk) 12:52, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

explain yourself

Cher is a blatant reference to the American singer, in fact it is one of if not the most blatant reference Pokemon's dub has done. I know you live down under but surely the people down there know who Cher is. I'm in England and I know who she is, so "speculation" my foot. In other words, obvious reference is obvious. Not including it is actually quite dumb because of this fact. Aden Singh (talk) 13:38, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Don't believe me forcy? take a look at the episode Beauties Battling for Pride and Prestige, then take a look at any Cher interview or acting gig. You'll see the same thing I do. Not sure what's available on the Aussie Netflix or how you guys get Pokemon down there, but take a look and see for yourself. I know Cher because my mum (RIP) was a huge Cher fan. It's not just the name, it's the particular voice that Hillary Thomas gives her. So it isn't "speculation" as you so smartly put it, it's a blatant reference. The only thing that would be more blatant would be giving her the surname Bono or Sarkisian. Aden Singh (talk) 13:56, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


They're back and doesn't seem to have learned their lesson.Animaltamer7 (talk) 00:10, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Whilst they did add nonsense to the talk page, probably not enough to justify a block.--ForceFire 05:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

James Turner

Okay, I understand the Zigzagoon and Linoone placement, but shouldn't that mean Gigantimax Gengar should be moved as well? (BlazingTurtonator (talk) 18:42, 3 March 2021 (UTC))

Moved Gengar. I feel that users reading that list might assume it's going by production/generation order rather than it simply being listed by dex number, hence why I undid your edit.--ForceFire 05:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Chloe as a protagonist

I get what you mean that she's not been labeled a protagonist, but it's not like the show explicitly labels who's a main character and who isn't (aside from Ash of course). It usually depends on promotional trailers/marketing and appearances alongside Ash and Goh. Ever since Chloe caught Eevee, she's basically become a Trainer. Supporting anime characters would usually be a rival of one of the main characters, but recently Chloe has been accompanying Ash and Goh a LOT more than before, now that she has a Pokemon of her own. Crummymummy (talk) 17:05, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

The Japanese site. As you can see, Chloe is not listed under the main character section like Goh is.--ForceFire 05:49, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Let's keep that in mind if and when it updates to feature Chloe. Crummymummy (talk) 17:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Post on the /r/Pokemon subreddit

Hey, so you recently banned a user, User:Aden Singh. Well, they created a thread on the /r/Pokemon subreddit here claiming that the ban was unjustified and trying to rally support. I thought you might like to know and maybe step in to explain what happened, since you're named by the OP. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 23:16, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

I came to check it out, the moderators r/Pokemon removed it already.Animaltamer7 (talk) 02:10, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

Evolution Availability

It's basically confirmed that since the base form Pokémon are available in Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl/Legends: Arceus, that their evolutions will be as well, so there's no need to undo it. Pre-release or not, it's common sense that the evolutions will be present in the game's code, unless it's a special case like Yellow Pikachu (meant to emulate the anime) and Let's Go Partner Pikachu and Partner Eevee (meant to emulate Yellow).

As far as I'm concerned, this is not the case for Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl/Legends: Arceus.

I've decided already not to do this for Pokemon that appeared already in the original Diamond and Pearl because the wild encounter ratios and pools can vary in remakes. Crummymummy (talk) 17:52, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Pre-release info is still pre-release info, it does not go onto the pages until the games are released, regardless of common sense and they could still pull a "Yellow" for Legends.--ForceFire 05:46, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

User talk:MiltonPkc2730386‎

I replaced that page's content with {{subst:welcome}} because I want you to hide the first version of that page, because it contains personal information that can be valuable to criminals (e.g. address of residence). Can you do this? --Bfdifan2006something to say? 13:11, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 13:24, 23 March 2021 (UTC)


No, I don't know how it works. What's wrong this time? That I added headlines in the table?--Rocket Grunt 18:42, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Such drastic changes to template structure need to be discussed before they're implemented. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:43, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Which change was drastic to you? It all felt like cosmetics.--Rocket Grunt 18:47, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Yes... you do know how this works. I've told you... many times before. Lots of times actually. If you plan making any changes to a templates layout, then that needs to be discussed. Don't just do as you please.
The changes you made weren't as drastic as the changes you would usually do, but it still needs to be discussed. You added a completely new column and shifted around the champion cells. That still counts as a big change. What specifically needed to be changed? The template is fine as is, the column you added and the reshuffling of Champions wasn't necessary.--ForceFire 03:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
You're just nitpicking and making it more difficult because I have to go and ask another admin and they are always fine with it. Don't revert my edits just because "I have no permission", everyone can edit these pages and correct them. Every change doesn't have to be "neccesary" to you, it may be neccesery for someone else, do you even care about that?--Rocket Grunt 08:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
And to toss it right back at you, just because you think it's a needed change, doesn't mean everyone else thinks it is. That's why you need to discuss any major changes you have in mind. The only one making it difficult is yourself by refusing to get other opinions on major changes before acting out on it. You have a history of making these kind of large edits without a discussion. It doesn't matter if you don't think it's a major change, any changes to a template/article's layout needs to be discussed. It's that simple.--ForceFire 16:07, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
It was just adding the headlines and I swap around some trainers so they will appear in their order of holding the title. So let's end this topic. Can I revert that back?--Rocket Grunt 19:11, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hero duo: Potential mainspacing

Hello, I don't know who to talk to about this but I've been working on an article in my userspace that I intended to possibly mainspace:

And I think I've mostly completed it and if the staff think it's good for mainspacing, this might be ready for it. If nothing else, I'd like to see what other people among the staff think about this being mainspaced. If not, that's totally cool too, I'd just like to see if staff can have some input about this before I make any attempts to move it to the mainspace. ScraftyIsTheBest (talk) 01:23, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Uploading a picture?

Hi! So, I was wondering how I can upload a picture onto Bulbapedia. I found a good picture of Sableye from the anime special "Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky - Beyond Time and Darkness" that I wanted to use on my User Page. Is there any way I could upload it onto Bulbapedia?
Gallade User 02:12, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

You must be autoconfirmed on the Archives. You can achieve so by editing file pages on the Archives a certain amount of time (it is kept secret). --Bfdifan2006something to say? 15:57, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
How can I do that? I'm still trying to figure all of this out. I also got a screenshot of my Leavanny using Leaf Storm in Pokémon GO against a Landorus because I noticed that Leaf Storm in GO needed a picture.
Gallade User 17:27, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Ash's Bulbasaur gender

Could you say something here?--Rocket Grunt 22:24, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Absol's move

Goh's Absol most definitely used Razor Wind, even though it wasn't named. We saw the move's charging turn. I posted an image of it at the Bulbagarden Discord. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 22:28, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

It's a very generic charge that could apply to any move, even the ones that don't have a charge. Solar Beam's charge is at least unique to it.--ForceFire 04:40, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Razor Wind has a unique charging turn too, which was depicted very clearly in this episode. It was Razor Wind, no doubt about it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:57, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
It's Absol gathering air, how is that remotely unique? Solar Beam gathers sunlight, specifically. A move gathering air is too vague and could easily be for anything.--ForceFire 11:44, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
That's exactly what Razor Wind does: it first whips up a whirlwind around the user, and then the move is actually executed. None of the other moves with a similar animation, like Psycho Cut, have this characteristic. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:17, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
There have been other moves used in the anime where the user gathers air to attack. It's not unique to Razor Wind.--ForceFire 12:25, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
It's the same move that Drew's Absol did when it performed a Razor Wind. It's definitely Razor Wind. Perhaps, just a suggestion, it would no longer be useful to leave the text with the move invisible and (if) Goh use it in battle, make it visible again. Anything leaving a notice asking not to change. Or change the rule for only moves used in battle or commanded / named by someone. Sorry if I look nosy.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 13:49, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
The problem with above statement is that Air Slash's recent animation in the anime is very similar to what Drew's Absol uses as Razor Wind back in AG. The game animation doesn't entirely help in this case, as it is still a bit questionable to judge without the chance of an error given how similar the two moves look/has looked over the course of time in both media. It'd be safe to wait for a verbal command for this one. AdilTalk page 15:39, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
While there may have been many attacks that gather air around the user, I don't recall any other move that combines that aspect with the wine blades we see here. Not even Air Slash. Also, Air Slash tends to have a blue coloration. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:58, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
While blue, I still don't think said moves are visually that distinct. It's also not exactly a signature move that can be easily assigned to a specific Pokémon or take game animation as a damning evidence to back it up. In addition, it hasn't been identified even once in the current series. Hence, we should wait. AdilTalk page 01:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Razor Wind is basically Absol's signature move in the anime, as in that Absol has used the move in the anime more than any other species. To me, that fact and the fact that this attack is white and not blue, in addition to the aforementioned charging turn (which, to me, is a dead giveaway to it being Razor Wind), are solid proofs of the move's identity. If it's confirmed as something else, couldn't it be changed then, instead of waiting for it to be confirmed as Razor Wind like I'm 100% sure it's going to be? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:06, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
I feel like we are running around in circles. You're missing the point. I don't deny that there are things that support the move being Razor Wind, but I disagree that they are strong enough to support the claim with 100% accuracy. Once again, it is not visually distinct enough to make a final decision without there being the chance of an error. I'd rather prefer us to wait than having to rectify it later. If it gets verbally confirmed, then good. Until then, we should wait. AdilTalk page 16:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

In JN065, we saw a confirmed use of Psycho Cut, and the animation (one blade per slash vs multiple blades per slash) and coloration (purple vs white) of the move were notably different. Does this and the whirlwind around Absol while using the move count as enough evidence? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:20, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

No. Psycho Cut isn't the only move that would potentially have a similar animation to Razor Wind.--ForceFire 12:31, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Like which moves? I keep telling you, the outlook of the move seems clear to me, it even has the whirlwind charge phase, and besides, it's all but Absol's signature move in the anime. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Air Slash, Air Cutter, Cut, Slash, so on so forth. You can't just look at a move and think that it can only be one move only, you need to check other moves that could potentially have similar animations.--ForceFire 07:37, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
The whirlwind charging phase is a pretty clear giveaway to me. No other move has that characteristic. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Buttefree's gender

So I have problem with Goh's Buttefree, can we confirm it's male? Female Buttefree appeared in M20 (right before SM034) does that confirm any Buttefree since that time? --Rocket Grunt 22:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Goh's Butterfree is fine.--ForceFire 06:45, 4 May 2021 (UTC)
Then Ash's should be too, look Talk:Ash's Butterfree, it also appeared after the female variant debuted.--Rocket Grunt 10:18, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

User:Hikaru Wazana/Clair (anime)

Hi, since Clair was shown as an important part of Iris until now and she has more participation than any leader in the Johto region, does this page have the requirements to go to the mainspace? I mean, counting flashbacks she already has appearances in at least 10 episodes in several arcs of the anime.Hikaru Wazana (talk) 13:10, 07 May 2021 (UTC)

Taking advantage of this discussion, I think I talked to someone from the staff at the time, today they announced that that series of Pokétoon shorts will be bigger. Even the official page already has a video starring a Pancham(more comprehensive and with human characters), the other was that of Scraggy
I want to ask, will something exclusive be done for this series as it was with Twilight Wings and Generations?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 04:07, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Not sure if Clair would be notable, she's only technically physically appeared in two series, the other appearances were small cameos. Try asking for second opinions.
This was brought up by a staff members some time ago. But if it's going to be a series, I think it's worth drafting an article up (I believe someone already did in their userspace, but don't remember who).--ForceFire 07:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

You didn't explain

why didn't you explain the reason even the other person help out. Two people wrote it. Never having encountered an aggressive Dragonite before, Ash's Dragonite exhibited hesitancy as it decided to battle for Ash against the aggressive Dragonite belonging to Iris.--Gian9456 12:48, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

A teacher of English gave me that. So you can't say grammar is wrong that be mean to say about my friend.--Gian9456 12:49, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

The person on top you responded today. Why not me. Im trying to be helpful but if beinfg treated like outsider or useless person then just say it. Don't treat me as no one. --Gian9456 23:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

well--Gian9456 22:35, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Question about Lance (anime)

What is the general consensus on Lance's current status in the anime (a Champion or former Champion)?

According to FinnishPokéFan92, Lance lost his Champion title, but outside of Lance being referred to as an Elite Four member in JN012 (which I don't feel is sufficient enough evidence), there doesn't seem to be anything that definitively states that Lance is a former Champion. After looking into edit history on various pages, Finnish seems to be the primary advocate for this as well.

While I adjusted the trivia on JN012's page as a compromise, I would like to know how staff feels about it. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 06:10, 11 May 2021 (UTC)


Hello. I see you removed the grid I made yesterday. Could you give a reason why? I made it using better CSS displays to be adaptable to each screen size (especially the mobile website). — Lakelimbo (talk) 20:01, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

We don't make tables using <div> templates, it's not how we do things. I get that it's meant to make the table look better on mobile, but changing the coding for the entire table is not something that you can just do.--ForceFire 05:02, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Totem and Dynamax in anime debut list

Hi Force Fire, could you check the talk page for the list of pokemon by anime debut, since I'm wondering if they should really be considered enough for the list. Animaltamer7 (talk) 06:16, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Brought it up with the other admins.--ForceFire 06:20, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Okay thanks! Animaltamer7 (talk) 06:22, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Hi, just asking if there's any updates on this? Animaltamer7 (talk) 13:18, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Sorry but i didn't get explanation. Been waiting patiently. Please--Gian9456 22:53, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Kelly Davis

I have not seen this actress' name in any of the credits in The Legend of Thunder. I did see Caren Lyn Manuel, and there are no other characters who sound like Stella from Winx Club. That's why I put down Manuel as the voice of Marina. Smartorama (talk) 23:55, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, but just because Davis wasn't in the credits does not mean you should just go by the credits and put someone else who was in the credits there. That's not how it works. The only legitimate source is to ask the voice actors themselves on social media. Not credit. Not playing by ear.--ForceFire 05:36, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Possible Kittystyler sockpuppet?

I believe MShines (talkcontribs) may potentially be a Kittystyler sockpuppet (talks about character relationships a lot and makes similar edits to other confirmed sockpuppets). Compare these two posts, for example. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 18:15, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

It indeed was, they've been dealt with.--ForceFire 18:17, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Ash's Lycanroc

Ash's Lycanroc and James's Weezing contradict each other when it comes to presenting their gender. I'll revert your edit tomorrow because you clearly don't udnerstand what you are doing.--Rocket Grunt 16:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, no. That's not how it's done. Just because there are contradicting articles, doesn't mean you can just change one of them to suit your liking. And no, you may not revert me without a response as you will be reverted immediate and may be blocked because you are already on thin ice about just reverting edits without discussion. I know exactly what I'm doing, and I'm following our policy, which you clearly do not like.--ForceFire 16:52, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
What I like is having policy and keeping consitency between pages what you are too sloppy for and always just revert my edits instead of fixing the whole problem. Finally you did, thank you. Don't worry, I'll make Misty's Psyduck, Ash's Greninja and Brock's Steelix consistent now.--Rocket Grunt 16:58, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Gust picture debate

BigDocFan, Finnish, and I have been trying to update the Pidgeotto picture to Journeys, but Pikablu insists otherwise and has continually reverted those edits. So far, my talk page discussion with Pikablu has gone in circles with no real consensus. Their argument seems to be that the older picture features Pidgeotto using Gust back when it was a Normal-type move and that it is more important than using an updated picture. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 17:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Despite us not reaching a consensus, they have decided to go on and edit more move pages for similar reasons. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:12, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
The problem I see about the anime move images is, the boss can only contain 4 images maximum, so with 7 series at present, three of them miss out and I feel more recent images are better than old ones.--BigDocFan (talk) 20:20, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
I personally agree with that the newer image should be used. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:45, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
I am also in favor of using the newer image. To be more accurate, I haven't reached a consensus with Pikablu specifically (as they will undoubtedly try to revert any attempts at changing it back). PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:50, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

(resetting indent)I've brought the issue up with the other staff members. I think we should be using a mix of old and new, to show how the move looked 10-15 years ago, even if some have used the same animation over time. Though Pikablu's reasoning of "showing it as its original type" doesn't hold water, as you have said, since you can't really tell a move was another type by just looking at it. It may be a good idea to make a sort of rule, because right now, it really feels like anything goes.--ForceFire 07:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Beelzemon 2003

I once left a notice for the user Beelzemon 2003 (talkcontribs) about using the preview button. However, just now, they've once again apparently neglected using it. Just letting you know. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:58, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

It's happening again. Can you do something about it? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:37, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Lavender/Shion Town Romaji

Hello. I noticed that on the Lavender Town article, Lavender Town's Japanese name has inconsistent transliterations. It is transliterated as "Cion" two times and as "Sion" once. Isn't シオン supposed to be transliterated as "Shion"? I've only seen it be read as "Shion" and the kana シ is always transliterated as "Shi", so I thought "Shion" is the correct way to transliterate it. Regardless of how it's supposed to be transliterated, it should at least be consistent throughout the article. --Dark Nymphia (talk) 02:09, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Cion is the official trademark romanisation. According to a user, "Cion" was used in the original Pinball game.--ForceFire 05:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Brock's Crobat

In the episode "EP165:Hassle in the Castle" Brock imagines his Zubat dressed in tuxedo and Dr. Anna's Zubat was in a wedding dress. That should confirm it's male, it's similar situation as in the episode "XY105:Party Dancecapades!".--Rocket Grunt 17:22, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. The latter at least noted that males had to dance with the females, with the accessories helping distinguish them. The fantasy doesn't explicitly state their genders.--ForceFire 17:41, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
I know Bulbapedia doesn't accept that, but most people do. By writing "implies" in the trivia section we won't be stating any definite answer, just that it's relevant for people for whom that's enough.--Rocket Grunt 23:29, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
People can come to that conclusion on their own without us having to state it.--ForceFire 05:54, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
If they watch the episode and remember such tiny details. Ash's Bulbasaur page does the same thing, implies gender without saying it's definite.--Rocket Grunt 14:23, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Because the implication was stated, in one form or another. The implication isn't stated here, it's a visual image of which it wasn't noted whether it was suppose to mean what it was suppose to mean. Again, people can come up with their own, very obvious, conclusion, but it's not getting added because it's still speculation.--ForceFire 15:30, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
If the implication was stated we should confirm Bulbasaur and few others as males.--Rocket Grunt 19:35, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
It's an implication, not an outright confirmation on their genders.--ForceFire 05:10, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


User named Flain is disagreeing with me about what counts as a recently used move with Ash's Dragonite. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:09, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

The matter is being discussed here. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:22, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Flain is outright edit warring now. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 22:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I've commented on their talk page.--ForceFire 06:16, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


Once again, Pikablu continues to edit war without discussing anything on the talk page. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:17, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Finnish is edit warring just as much as me. Don’t make it seem like I’m the only one wrong.Pikablu (talk) 20:39, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I only reversed your edits twice. I never reverse anyone's edits more than that before using a talk page. You reverted my edits three times. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:50, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I think JN075's title could be a Shakespeare reference, but Pikablu disagrees. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:57, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Considering the title is word for word, I think it's fine.--ForceFire 05:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Notable trivia

Can you tell "FinnishPokéFan92" that "being first <character>'s Pokemon of <type> type" is not notable? Literally each character could've 18 such pieces of trivia.--Rocket Grunt 14:49, 24 June 2021 (UTC)


It's not "sprite trivia". It says that colors of the claws don't match with scars as it is expected.--Rocket Grunt 10:39, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

The claws have always been black, not red. It was only red in the early sprites, thus it's sprite trivia. And why would it match with the scars "as expected"? that makes it fan opinions, which also makes it not notable.--ForceFire 11:42, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Marowak Trivia

Hi there. I noticed that you reversed my Marowak trivia on the gen 5 sprite due to lack of notability. Sorry if I begin to sound quite rude but may I please ask why this isn't notable? It's an odd quirk in the back sprite that hasn't occurred in any or Marowak's past or future appearances and I would like to know why you think it shouldn't get mentioned. Thanks Ice Cream 20:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Sprite trivia in general isn't notable, since the spritebox is directly above the trivia sections, so users can see it for themselves. There is a userpage for sprite errors, though.--ForceFire 07:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh, so that's why you deleted my edit. MageMagius (talk) 05:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Hikaru Wazana/Goh's Raichu

Any chance of Goh's Raichu page going to mainspace? --Hikaru Wazana (talk) 11:05, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

I'd say it meets the notability requirements, I've mainspaced the article.--ForceFire 12:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. =D --Hikaru Wazana (talk) 12:30, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

User:Reinhartmax/Goh's Eternatus

Is this page notable enough to be mainspaced? Does it meet the notability requirements? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:42, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

It's fine for mainspacing.--ForceFire 17:04, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Policy question

If a voice director's word on who voices a character contradicts what a voice actor says, then whose word should take precendent? I can think of two examples from XY alone where this has happened.

The page for Ornithol currently says that Wayne Grayson voiced the character, and this information apparently came straight from the voice director at the time. However, Mike Pollock has claimed that he himself voiced the character, and that the information on Bulbapedia is inaccurate.

Secondly, the cast list BigDocFan received from the voice director listed Eddy Lee along with Pay Pental as voicing Jan (XYS05), however, when I tried to add the former to the character's page, I was informed that Eddy Lee himself had denied voicing Jan on Twitter. PaperSplash (talk) 15:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

My Edited Edits

It seemed that you, Force Fire, have edited many of my edits. One question is, why? MageMagius (talk) 05:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Recurring Cresselia

In JN075, when seeing Cresselia, Dawn says, "I've met her before." Do you think this could be taken as a sign that this Cresselia is the same one that we saw back in DP104? Dawn even had a flashback to that episode when saying that. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Saying it's the same one is speculation, she could just be speaking in general, as in she's met a Cresselia before (not necessarily a specific Cresselia).--ForceFire 05:47, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm confused. You reversed your own reversion about Cresselia on JN075, and when I started making reversions to match that, you reversed them too. Why? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Or was the reversion about something else in the article? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
The Cresselia in the flashback was the same Cresselia in the episode, it was not the same Cresselia in DP104.--ForceFire 13:19, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Um... Yes it was. It was a flashback to that episode. It's the only time Dawn has met a Cresselia before. Plus, I'm pretty sure that Cresselia's altar from DP104 was shown in the flashback, confirming that it was from that episode. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:32, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Seems I remembered the second flashback/dream sequence more than the split second flashback at the start. But still, no it wasn't. That scene never happens in DP104, so it's not a flashback from that episode, the absence of Ash and Brock also means it's not a flashback from that episode. And the altar being there doesn't mean anything, it's meant to be there if it's Cresselia's home.--ForceFire 15:04, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

On Cyrus' Crobat

I looked at the speculation article, and it said inferences could be made, but should disclaim uncertainty. Would the trivia point be valid if uncertainty is disclaimed? I don't care too much if the tidbit is on there or not, but I'm brand new to editing, so I think this might help me understand this sort of thing better. General Kipicus (talk) 19:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

No. It's still speculation. Fan theories are simply not notable.--ForceFire 07:22, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Okay. I get ya. I seriously want to thank you for the timely reversions on my edits, it's really helped me get a much better grasp on the boundaries on a lot of this stuff. If you didn't revert the edits so quickly, I'd have been fumbling around and there would be more edits from me somehow worse than my current ones. General Kipicus (talk) 15:39, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Henry and Casey

Pikablu is purposefully changing links to the Pokémon Adventures Sword & Shield protagonists' articles into redirect links. Can you help? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:20, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Spoiled evolution

The manga adaptation of Pokémon Journeys has spoiled the evolution of Goh's Drizzile in JN078. Should the Drizzile and episode articles be protected until the episode has aired? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:08, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

It'll be protected if it becomes a problem.--ForceFire 07:12, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
Fine by me. Thanks. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 07:21, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Kanto Pokedex listing issue

There is some conflict I am dealing with on List of Pokémon by Kanto Pokédex number and I need you to keep an eye on it and pass judgement to prevent a full edit conflict I feel is brewing right now. -Tyler53841 (talk) 01:03, 26 August 2021 (UTC)


I saw you reverted the edit, despite I opened a discussion because I could not find literally ANY source that state Steven is a specialist, and hoped at least to start the discussion about it, because, I literally couldn't find anything that state Steven is a Steel specialist at all, the only thing that I founded is him stating his favourite type is Steel, but that don't mean he is a specialist, even because he have more no-Steel then Steel. So... unless there is a source that I could not find... I don't see why he should be considered a specialist at all.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 17:05, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

He uses them, they're stated to be his type of preferred pokemon in his Trainer's Eyes info (which you're selectively ignoring in favor of the ORAS label), and they're his favorite. Ergo he is a specialist. Almost all Champions use a variety regardless if they're a specialist or not (Wallace being the only exception; even Iris added some variety to her dragons), so yeah, he uses plenty of non-Steel types. You're overthinking this. Kai * the Arc Toraph 12:13, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Oh, didn't saw the answer sorry. Btw, the statment is not correct. Lance and Iris are actually stated to be Dragon specialist, and Lance got a full Dragon teams in generations with a larger Dragon pool, but yhea... I completly forgot about the Trainer's Eyes. My bad, that seems actually a confirmation to him being a specialist--Zarxiel94 (talk) 17:17, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Triple Axel's Origin section

I added that section to the Triple Axel page due to the fact the Rain Dance page also had one, in an attempt to do this for other moves (such as Twister). However, I actually merged the Trivia and Origin sections on the Rain Dance page for consistency's sake. --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 11:06, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Talk Page help

Thank you for letting me know not to comment on old threads & removing my comment. It makes sense that we want to let old threads stay dormant! --–Butterfreeism (talk) 17:25, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Unique animation

Just because a move is not listed on the page of unique anime move animations doesn't mean that it's not identifiable based on move animations from the same series. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:55, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Just because it has a similar animation to a previously used move, doesn't mean it's the same move. The animators could easily decide to have one animation for multiple moves.--ForceFire 10:29, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
That's just splitting hairs, if you ask me. That hardly ever happens on the modern anime, if ever. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:19, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
I can pull all the nitpicking arguments all I want, the point is to not guess. A Pokémon summoning a rock and hurling it at the opponent is such a basic animation that it can be any rock move.--ForceFire 08:08, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


Hello, this is GDNH16 here. I recently heard that there was a account, "AlolanChaoverse" was blocked due to "Abusing Multiple Accounts" since the same IP address was use from this account. The truth is, AlolanChaoverse was my new account I created via my new gmail since last June. I'm not absolutly lying. I don't use this account anymore since it was from my old email address and currently use AlolanChaoverse in Bulbapedia using my new email. I would want you to unblock AlolanChaoverse so I can use it again in my new email. I'm currently organizing my old email and will have to delete it soon. --GDNH16 (talk) 18:15, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

You don't just make a new account. If you want to change your username, you can simply ask the Editor in Chief to change it for you. And you can also change your email in the old account to your new email, absolutely no need to create an entirely new account.--ForceFire 08:08, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


I've several times told Hikaru Wazana to keep the tense in their texts consistent. But despite them acknowledging these notifications, they still keep doing it, and its tiresome to have to fix those inconsistent tenses over and over again. Can you help? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 23:05, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh, God. Here we go again. u_u --Hikaru Wazana (talk) 23:07, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Hikaru, while it may seem frustrating, the onus is on you to learn from your mistakes and improve. You can't keep expecting others to fix your mistakes. Use the preview button, it's there for a reason. It'll help you scope any errors you find so you can fix it before saving.--ForceFire 08:08, 13 September 2021 (UTC)


Could you deal with this user User:BakuganGamer? They are not here to contribute. --Rahl (talk) 01:13, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Z-Move and Max Move lists

I'd like to change the lists of Z-Moves and Max Moves a Pokémon has used (like this one) to resemble the regular move templates. I can understand the template style used in them being used for improvised moves, but for Z-Moves and Max Moves, I feel having the description on the Pokémon's page is pointless, as it's the move article's job to house the description. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 22:47, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Pokémon Diamond and Pearl EP039 - Steamboat Willie

Hey, can i please re-add my edit of how the Dutch title is named after song "Zie ginds komt de stoomboot"? It's a real song and here is the link (make sure you really watch it): JewelpetPrincess (talk) 18:31, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

It's from Sinterklaas, a Dutch tradition. JewelpetPrincess (talk) 18:31, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm not the type to add false information. I hate that. >:-( So please watch the video, me and the other Dutch Pokémon fans would be happy. (If you don't believe me, ask them. I'm not someone who sends link to other inappropriate stuff.) JewelpetPrincess (talk) 20:50, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you've read this already, but when you do it would be nice if you would reply. JewelpetPrincess (talk) 19:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

It wasn't reverted because it was false, it was reverted because it's notable for an English speaking wiki.--ForceFire 05:46, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Is it really bad to place references for the dubs of other countries. I don't see anything wrong it as long as they're innocent. JewelpetPrincess (talk) 19:10, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


AbelPriego‎ has been editing their user page a lot lately, not only solely focusing on editing it instead of main space articles, but also editing it way more times than the daily limit for user page edits would permit. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:41, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Abel has continued to solely edit their user page instead of main space articles. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 00:15, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


Chickasaurus is neglecting the use of the preview button again, it seems. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:15, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Given them a preview button warning.--ForceFire 05:35, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


I was unaware that new articles must be approved to be posted. Can you tell me where I should submit my article to get approval? Thanks.--Magicknight94 (talk) 08:05, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Bea (anime)

Hi, this would probably be something to ask after the double episode of the battle against Bea, but anyway... I was wondering what the chances of this page here going to mainspace. I tried to put a lot of information about the character that isn't on the main page(fighting style, her Pokémon, her personality, more information about her manga counterpart) and since she's one of the main rivals of the Journeys it's kind of a real pity she doesn't have a page of her own. Now with the next two episodes, this page will even be able to receive a lot of information too. I've even tried to avoid writing errors and try to revise the article whenever I can. What do you think?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 13:00, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

I would say not yet. She's only made two physical appearances and both of them were for battles. She might make more appearances in the future, specifically ones that are not battle specific, so might need to wait a little longer.--ForceFire 14:48, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
I think Bea's participation in the anime ended today. But I'll keep this page updated when the names of the episodes in the dub come out. I tried to do my best on the page, so if the admin staff thinks it can be used in any way it's there. Thanks for the answer.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 12:00, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Biology section limit?

Thanks for calling out the edit I made on Scizor's "Biology" section as being too much. As a rule of thumb, is there an approximate limit to what should be in a biology section or how long it should be? I haven't been able to tell what the general pattern is just by looking at other pages. Thanks! –Butterfreeism (talk) 18:33, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Thought it was just overly detailed, the way it was before was short and to the point.--ForceFire 15:22, 28 October 2021 (UTC)
Got it. Thank you! –Butterfreeism (talk) 17:26, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Outdated protection?

Tom Wayland's article has been protected for years now. Can the protection be undone now? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

I suspect whatever warranted the protection passed ages ago. Am I correct? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:39, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
The protection has been lifted.--ForceFire 17:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:44, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Just found another potentially outdated protection. Is the protection for Pokémon Yellow Version still necessary? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 00:32, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

I've lifted the protection.--ForceFire 05:51, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Thank you very much. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:53, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Redirect dispute

I've edited some redirect links on Inver into more direct section links, but Nescientist has twice now reversed my edits on that. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)


Do you think this is triviaworthy? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 23:08, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm fine with it being trivia, it's worth pointing out imo.--ForceFire 06:12, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Got it. Thank you for your opinion. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:52, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Ramanas Park

The trailer for Ramanas Park and its game-exclusive Pokémon has been released, so this edit isn't clearly sourced from a leak. That's why I undid your reversion.

By The Official Pokémon YouTube channel
This video is not available on Bulbapedia; instead, you can watch the video on YouTube here.

Sincerely, --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 14:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

I have concerns regarding the rules in this Bulbapedia community and generic questions about the wikipedia.

Hello there I am kinda new to the Bulbapedia community maintained Wikipedia and don't know much about it. I have few concerns which relates to the following questions 1. What is the purpose of the talk page? how does it function? why there are some special rules which needs to be followed? and what are some of those rules? 2. After how many edits can an user create their own userspace? Why there is only maximum of 3 edits to the userpage per day? why not a different number (let's say 1 or even 10)? 3. What are the special rules of this community poke-wiki which makes it waaay more different than other pokemon fandom wiki's ? 4. Why doesn't the edits reflect in the real page when logged out after an user edits in when logged in? What is you explanation about it? why it is like that? MG7134 (talk) 05:47, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

  1. Talk pages are generally used for suggesting improvements and ideas to help grow Bulbapedia. It functions just as a talk page on Wikipedia would. For a full list of rules see the Talk page policy.
  2. The number of edits is secret, and will remain secret. We do not just say the amount as to not have users just make the required amount and then solely focus on their userpage. The reason for the limit dates back to the early days of Bulbapedia when users would edit their userpages too much (I'm guilty of doing this in the past), thus necessitating the need for a limit so users can go back to expanding Bulbapedia.
  3. Not sure what "special rules" you are looking for, we do have a bunch of policies that you could check out if you want to know the rules.
  4. That I might need to bring up to the Tech, but it might just be a caching thing. Try clearing your cache if your edit doesn't appear to show. Edit: I've asked and another senior staff said it's a cloudflare thing, but you can clear your cache to see the more recent version of an article.--ForceFire 06:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

About the whole 「3 userspace edits per day」 thing

Do we have to follow UTC when we make userspace edits, my timezone is GMT+8 and I don’t know how far ahead i am. TokaiAKEBONO29292 (talk) 13:50, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

It's just easier to keep track if users follow the one timezone rather than their own timezones. I suggest keeping the default time in your preferences, if you have it set up to be different, so you know if your within the daily limit.--ForceFire 14:37, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Greedent sprite trivia undo

Saw your note for this undo. It was not intended as error trivia, just contrastive. I suppose the previous item (being hit in battle) counts more as it's for animation. --Johans (talk) 07:30, 16 November 2021 (UTC)


Abcboy's {{form}} template, which was main spaced not too long ago, should be put in use. Can BulbaBot be put to work to edit the "DL" template links to "List of Pokémon with form differences"? Also, Team Rocket Grunt just created a template that's identical to the previously main spaced template. I think TRG's template is unnecessary due to Abcboy's template already existing. Do you agree? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:44, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah. Nevermind the second part. I see it was removed while I was writing the above post. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:45, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


On the Bulbapedia homepage, it says: "Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia about Pokémon to which anyone can contribute." Very well.

A few months ago the user in question complained about my attempt to organize Chloe's page (among other things, but beside the point), it created so much case that I ended up removing all the initial draft. It's been 3 MONTHS and he hasn't done absolutely anything on the page, and as no one else has volunteered to try to put content there, the page is almost two years out of date (this is for a character who appears frequently in the anime).

In the Pokémon Evolutions announcement it was announced that Barry would have a focus, and as such it was shown that his starter in that canon is Empoleon. At about the same time I did all the organization of the sections, I looked for photos and tried to organize the page for new information that would appear. After all, we're talking about a Pokémon that hasn't been shown in the main anime for almost 10 years.

Nobody made any changes to it, today with the showing of the episode, I removed the hiding of the content already organized (and even the admin Chosen, added an extra section and a tag to put more information). This time he claimed that supposedly, such material is more related to games than anime.

The user in question has once again removed EVERYTHING I PUT. Even though I didn't put any written words in the article, I just realigned images. Anyway, I wanted to know what their authority to remove information like that, since we have articles that consider GOTCHA! as anime content, situations where Pokémon that appeared in similar media are put together , the character is named Barry in the episode and is all content from Evolutions, Twilight Wings, Generations or Origins under Project Anime jurisdiction?

I've already realized that his problem is with me and not with what I do, although I think it's weird all over someone who probably lives on the other side of the world. I wanted to know how much of this "anyone can contribute" thing is valid, because it sucks to have to go through validation from someone who isn't even part of the staff. Last time I was really interested in not posting here anymore, I continued because some people encouraged me to continue. Since then I have avoided making long writings, proofreading three or four times, trying to work more with images and apparently not even that is enough.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 18:01, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Meltan and Melmetal sprites

just wondering why the change was reverted on the Meltan and Melmetal pages since these pokemon don't exist in SMUSUM. --yapby 08:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

To stay consistent with the other Gen VII Pokemon.--ForceFire 08:17, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

On Volcanic Ash

Why was the number of ash tiles unimportant? I don't completely doubt your judgement here, you are very experienced here. However, you always write "not important" for the reason of reverting edits. It's extremely vague, making it absolutely unhelpful to people trying to learn what belongs and what doesn't. General Kipicus (talk) 11:49, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

How is it helpful, who would it be helpful for? The number of tiles is not as important as the amount of ash needed for an item, and the latter doesn't need the specification as leaving and entering Route 113 will reset the ash count, rendering that information redundant.--ForceFire 12:06, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I personally would've found it helpful. I get an idea of how much ash I'm collecting because it takes forever to get some of those items. With that information, it's no longer pure guesswork whether I have enough or not. I don't have to keep checking with the guy. I guess it's just me, then. General Kipicus (talk) 04:39, 7 December 2021 (UTC)


Me and Reinhartmax are in a disagreement regarding how the devolutions in JN090 should be presented. Rein wants to add the pre-evolutions and Eggs into the Pokémon articles as owned Pokémon and the "Anime Pokémon hatched from Eggs" category, since the main characters technically owned those stages while the Pokémon devolved. I respectfully disagree, as it may give a false image to what stage the Pokémon was actually obtained in. We've discussed the topic on Reinhartmax's talk page. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:40, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Specifically here. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
I have asked but it didn't really spark a conversation. Basically, if the Pokemon was caught in its devolved formed and evolved, then it should be noted. If not, then it shouldn't be noted.--ForceFire 13:29, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
So, for example, on Ash's page, it shouldn't say his Dragonite hatched from an Egg; on Goh's page, it shouldn't say his Flygon hatched from an Egg; and those two Pokémon's individual articles shouldn't say that either? Did I understand this correctly? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:41, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Yes.--ForceFire 13:45, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:45, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Do the devolved forms that existed before the Pokémon debuted need the redirect pages they've been given or not? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Probably not if we're not counting them as captures.--ForceFire 14:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
I agree. Could you delete them? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:07, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Certainly.--ForceFire 14:08, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm a little confused on this. While I think it is fine to not list the information on templates, they were still shown to be owned. Ash could be seen recalling Haunter and Dragonair to Poke Balls, showing he without a doubt owned them in those stages. Why are we removing valid information about that?Rahl (talk) 14:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

He was able to recall them because they were his Pokemon, but it still doesn't mean he obtained them at those forms, which is what the infobox would imply.--ForceFire 14:18, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Should the images of the devolutions and Eggs still be retained on the articles of the individual Pokémon? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:22, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
That's fine, what I don't understand is why Finnish is removing all information about it, like pictures of the forms and eggs. And shouldn't redirects exist for these, since Ash did own a Dratini? Removing those things is as if we are trying to ignore that this happened. Rahl (talk) 14:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
I've responded on Finnish's talk page about having information on the main article. The redirects would also imply that Ash, at one point, caught a Gastly and Dratini without context.--ForceFire 14:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
How would you have us list that on something like Gastly (Pokémon) page under appearances?Rahl (talk) 14:27, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
In the major appearance section, no header.--ForceFire 14:32, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

A bit confused about this. Why is having a link to the pages in Related Articles wrong? They were in that form and if we can have a link for something like Clemont's Heliolisk on Helioptile's page (for only being mentioned to be a Helioptile) why can't we have that for Jessie's Wobbufett on the Wynaut page when it was a Wynaut for a time?--Reinhartmax (talk) 15:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Because he actually had it as a Helioptile, even if it was only mentioned. The devolutions don't count because they never had those forms (mentioned or otherwise) nor were those Pokemon shown in those forms prior to JN090.--ForceFire 15:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
What about things like Ash's Primeape, where he didn't own it as a Mankey?--Reinhartmax (talk) 15:26, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
I thought the Related Articles section was to direct users to examples of the species? Jessie's Wobbuffet was a Wynaut, so why shouldn't it direct you to the page?--Rahl (talk) 15:38, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Primeape was shown as a Mankey prior to its capture, the Pokemon affected by devolution weren't seen in their pre-evolved forms at the time of their capture, save for Dragonair.--ForceFire 15:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
But shouldn't that still count enough to get the Related Articles link, not to Ash's Dratini but to Ash's Dragonite?--Reinhartmax (talk) 16:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Dragonite was never shown as a Dratini, only as a Dragonair prior to its capture.--ForceFire 16:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
But what does that have to do with it? We've seen Ash's Dragonite as a Dratini now. Dratini is on the Ash's Dragonite page. Why should it not be included in the related articles section when something like Clemont's Helioptile is good enough for just being mentioned? This has nothing to do with ownership. It is linking a page with Dratini on the Dratini page. By that logic we shouldn't list Pichu to Ash's Pikachu's page because he didn't show up as a Pichu prior to capture.--Rahl (talk) 16:23, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Because it implies that Ash had it as a Dratini/that is was shown as a Dratini before it was caught. Pichu is fine because it was actually shown as a Pichu. They only had Dragonair devolve into Dratini because that's just how the evolution line goes, and they weren't going to have it go straight into an Egg and confuse their target audience.--ForceFire 07:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Okay? It was still a Dratini though. Putting a link to 'Ash's Dragonite' on the related articles of Dratini still makes sense because that specific Dragonite was shown as a Dratini. I don't see why you're so hung up on the ownership part, especially when examples like Mankey, Sandile, and Pichu exist. Again, Pichu was shown after the capture. And, as you said, it was shown as a Pichu. Same with Dratini and Gastly. That's why the link is valid.Rahl (talk) 11:25, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Really hypocritical of you to remove true information but not have a discussion on why you believe you’re right. Gengar showed up as a Haunter. It’s a fact. It is something you can see on Gengar’s page and the episode. Gengar’s page has information about it as a Haunter. Why can’t the Haunter article have a related link to a page about a Haunter? Your argument makes no sense based on anything else on bulbapedia. Don’t dictate. Explain and discussPikablu (talk) 20:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
I've already explained it many times in this talk page section and in my edit summary why it doesn't count. It's only in Ash's Gengar's page because it's noting the history of the individual throughout the series, it does not mean we're counting it as actually having been a Haunter/Gastly in its debut appearance. The only reason it was shown as a Haunter and Gastly in JN090 was purely plot related and out of necessity, because they weren't going to have Gengar devolve straight into an Egg and confuse the kids as to why Gengar went straight to an Egg and not through its evolutionary line. But that's apparently something you, Rahl, and Reinhartmax will never understand.--ForceFire 04:51, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
It is listed as a Haunter on Gengar’s page. It is listed as a Haunter on JN090. It is listed as appearing as a Haunter in the appearances section on Haunter’s page. It obviously existed as a Haunter predebut and in JN090 we saw it AS A HAUNTER. What can’t you understand about that? Why is Dialga reversing time make it not count? I’m not arguing with you if Ash owned a Haunter (he did) I’m arguing that a link to Gengar’s page-which features information about a Haunter-should be included. If we’re not counting predebut then why is there a link on Pichu to Ash’s Pikachu? Maybe because we saw it as a Pichu? Either appearances count or they dont. Have consistency and pick one. Reversing time should not magically mean it didn’t appear onscreen. Heck, we ever count ones that didn’t-Clemont’s Helioptile. Your logic doesn’t apply to adding a redirect. Put simply:it showed up as a Haunter in an episode. There should be a redirect on Haunters page to Ash’s Gengar. If not, we should be removing other redirects to fit your perfect ideal because I’m tired of the inconsistency only be pushed by you. Merry Christmas.--Pikablu (talk) 13:07, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
Pikachu and Heliolisk were actually seen (Pichu)/stated (Heliolisk) to be in their pre-evolved forms prior to their capture. Gengar only devolved into a Haunter and a Gastly because the plot called for it (because the writers weren't going to devolve Gengar straight into an Egg), not because we saw it once as those Pokemon in a flashback or it was said in a passing mention.--ForceFire 13:30, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Stat Trainer location articles

Hey! I'm guessing that you were referring to my edits in your descriptions of your recent edits to Iron Island, Victory Road and Stark Mountain. I just thought that I'd let you know that I didn't make the edits that you did because:

  1. I was busy irl. There's an awful lot going on!
  2. I've not played BDSP yet, so I wasn't entirely sure what exactly to add.

Hopefully, that clears things up. Incidentally, I don't suppose that you know of any way to link to a specific revision (or edit) of a MediaWiki article (wiki-wise)? Pale Prism (talk) 03:33, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Cynthia Garchomp

Hey you know you’re in the wrong, right? Check any other page and you’ll see them on the template.--Pikablu (talk) 13:33, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Can you show an example of a move that a Pokemon failed to execute being in the template? Because the ones that I checked didn't have notes in the template saying the Pokemon didn't execute the move.--ForceFire 13:40, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Paul’s Magmortar, Ash’s Charizard (mega punch. Fly is below because it was dub only) and Sawyer’s Sceptile are a few examples.--Pikablu (talk) 13:48, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks--Pikablu (talk) 14:15, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Latios and Latias

Do you have a Latias and Latios page (for them together)? If not I would be happy to make one! (I won't add any fan made stuff)

ColsonOtis (talk) 18:57, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Eon duo.--ForceFire 12:27, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! -ColsonOtis (talk) 21:33, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

this is like. weirdly dedicated

so it seems out of me trying to remove the word sociopath, both of the reverts have been from you. is there a reason for this? i literally gave the reason in that hunter j edit right there changing it back does nothing except bring back the ableism. Snow rat (talk) 10:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

You're not the first user to try to remove certain words because of its apparent negative connotations. Users in the past have made edits not liking us using words like "cruel", which is ridiculous. So I lumped all your edits into that same category of being unnecessary.--ForceFire 11:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

i do not believe that comparing my edits to edits such as objections to the word cruel is a good analogy of my issue with the pages. as i said, the usage of sociopath here is VERY ableist and demonizing of people with the disorders the word is supposed to describe. a better comparison, although probably still not perfect, would be if someone used the word "autistic" to describe something dumb, which i think we can all agree is bad. i do not think it is unreasonable to ask that this term be removed from pages, as it is specifically offensive and bigoted where words like "cruel" are not. Snow rat (talk) 20:52, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Goh’s Aerodactyl

Hi, according to Notability requirements, Goh's Aerodactyl is worthy of having its own page. Could this User:BigDocFan/Goh's_Aerodactyl be mainspaced?--Pikablu (talk) 17:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd say it's notable.--ForceFire 06:25, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for that, went to mainspace it but keep getting The page could not be moved, for the following reason:

A page already exists at Goh's Aerodactyl, or the page name you have chosen is not valid. Please choose another name. Even after removing the re-direct--BigDocFan (talk) 08:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Achievements by specific Pokémon.

Hi, I have organized some templates with some things that I found interesting to work on.

Basically, it would separate the achievements that each Pokémon received, and in some cases with images of the moment that specif Pokémon achieved the feat (as I did in the Scyther or Arcanine template).

My suggestion would be to fit these templates as they are here on this page I've been working on.

I think this would end up being interesting because some small championships, we don't have information in the main article, like Grookey's article which only has basic information. It still needs some more work and some possible suggestions or more development, but I was wondering if this is something that makes sense to be worked on or is it an idea that should be abandoned?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 22:09, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it's worth creating a template for relatively minor tournaments; not everything needs to be a template. Taking your Boldore example, what information would be missing if it were in text form? Because everything in that template could easily be put in one paragraph. We have articles on these small tournament if someone wants to learn more about them.--ForceFire 05:59, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Bolding “Character’s Pokémon”

Hi Force Fire, can you explain why you removed the bolding around “Dawn’s Swinub” and “Other” on the Swinub page? The same bolding has been present on the Piloswine and Mamoswine pages, and it hasn’t been removed. Thanks! Mooites (talk) 08:13, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't need the apostrophes to have it bolded, the header levels already bold the text. Both Piloswine and Mamoswine don't have the apostrophes in their header section.--ForceFire 08:32, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh weird, I’m on mobile, and without the apostrophes that header level isn’t displaying as bolded! And it only happens on certain Pokemon’s pages, Swinub being one of them. It must just be a problem with my mobile device. I’m glad it displays correctly on desktops :) Thanks Mooites (talk) 09:14, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Block over devolutions

I'm sorry, you blocked me because of another users edits? The last time I did anything about this disagreement was over a week ago when I left a comment on your talk page, which you ignored, but I left it at that. I disagree with your stance but I'm not about to edit war. Blocking me is an incredibly rude and unfair thing to do and I hope you consider undoing it. I'm not going to be adding that unless it is approved.--Rahl (talk) 12:12, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

I did as a precaution, because I know that when one gets knocked down the other two will come running. Which makes it really hard to believe that the three of you are actually three individuals, as I've never seen the three of you actually disagree on something.--ForceFire 12:37, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
I mean, I like Reinhartmax on this site and we help each other out on user pages but we are not the same person. I don't pay attention to Pikablu for the most part but I know I've disagreed with them before. Either way, it is unfair to ban me for something a different user did and something I have not been arguing against since it turned into a discussion. I'm not going to come to Pikablu's aid and I'd like the ban to be removed. Thanks.--Rahl (talk) 15:04, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Comprehensive list of still obtainable Mythical Pokemon

My list of obtainable Mythical Pokemon was removed because it's "unnecessary and info in the individual articles". I disagree with this sentiment as having all the information in one place would be much easier, more convenient, and more concise for readers. Also, much of the information I mentioned within my edit was not information already available on this wiki already, let alone the page it was on. I can understand if it would go at the bottom of the trivia or something, but I would just like to see if it can be re-added or moved somewhere else on the wiki. It's a tool I wish I had when I started Mythical hunting recently after getting back into Pokemon again for the first time in a while. FenomOO (talk) 23:53, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

The information you added was quite frankly a wall of text and wasn't really needed when the information can be found in several pages, and some of the information you added included glitch exploitations which we do not consider a legitimate way to obtain a Pokémon.--ForceFire 05:57, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
I tried to eliminate part of the "wall of text" feel by keeping each entry short, but it could probably also be slightly reformatted to help more (but is also why I suggested having it at the very bottom of the trivia, and therefore the page). Not all of the information present in my edit is found on other pages as well and I don't see what the problem is with there being glitch/exploited Pokemon on the list. Bulbapedia has pages explaining all sorts of bugs and glitches in-depth and how to recreate them, including glitches to get Pokemon, like the Mew glitch. I tried not to pass judgment on what should be on the list and not by my standard of legitimacy. It was intended as a list to let you know which Mythical Pokemon were still available, with each entry being ordered with legitimate ways at the top and less/not legitimate ways at the bottom for each Pokemon. Also, like I said before, having all the information in one place that makes sense makes it much easier for readers looking for the information or that are just curious about it. There are plenty of pages with somewhat overlapping information. In the end I guess if you don't like it it's not going back up since you're staff, but I added that information because it's something I would've liked being there as a reader. FenomOO (talk) 08:58, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Most were basically saying that they were available via transferring from elsewhere (which the info already is there on the individual pages, just go to their game locations sections, unless they specify something else), whilst the others were via glitch exploitation which we don't consider legitimate because a casual player is not going to know these things.--ForceFire 12:43, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Kenny chen1998

Kenny chen1998 has added some new info regarding some glitches to a couple sites, but the grammar on those edits was not up to Bulbapedia's standards. I tried cleaning them up, but I don't really know much about coding terms, so I hope the pages now look better. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:51, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Marco cozmos edit

Hello there! excuse me but why did you undo my edit on the Macro cozmos page? was it a formatting issue because I would be glad to fix it! :) I am new to editing pages here so I would like to know what I did wrong, please reply soon! :) - unsigned comment from DHP613 (talkcontribs)

I have stated in the edit summary, the two logos looking similar is a coincidence and the way it was worded made it sound like it was the Marco Cozmos logo, which is speculation.--ForceFire 16:14, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I no not believe it to be speculation but an Easter egg sort of thing, i have found a behind the scenes at where they show the UI, the logos match up, again, I don't think this is speculation so may I undo your edit please? :) please reply soon! --DHP613 (talk) 16:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Firstly, have patience. No response doesn't mean you can just re-add it. It was night when you sent your last message, so of course I wouldn't be able to respond quickly, as I was asleep. Secondly, it is still a coincidence and speculation to say that the logo in Detective Pikachu is the Macro Cozmos logo.--ForceFire 07:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I'm sorry for being impatient, I did not realize you were asleep and was upset that you removed my edit, but if you look at the logos you will see they match up, is it allowed to post pictures on the user talk? I would not like to get in trouble. --DHP613 (talk) 15:28, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I have already seen the logos and it is still a coincidence, unless you have evidence that it was intentional. And it can only be a one way reference, Detective Pikachu can't make a reference to something that was released after it.--ForceFire 17:12, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

May I at least state that they look similar? --DHP613 (talk) 17:59, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

You can point out the similarities but not state that they are the same logo unless you have evidence that it was intentional.--ForceFire 08:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. --DHP613 (talk) 19:29, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

PokeToon Characters

Hi, I made some content referring to the PokeToon characters, some I saved as a personal page so that this material only enters the mainspace when everything is correct, however if I keep making many changes it can exceed the daily limit of pages. What should I do? Should I do it little by little or can I send it directly to mainspace? Because I don't think I will have much help to make this work. But it's a material that I've already noticed is quite big, but few have worked on it.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 00:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Try making all the necessary changes in one edit, don't split them up into smaller edits. Otherwise, you need yo abide by the policy.--ForceFire 07:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
The pages referring to Bidoof Big Stand and the characters(Tsubomi's parents, Anzu (Pokétoon), Trainer (Bidoof's Big Stand), Bidoof's Big Stand) that I've already finished, I wanted to know, if it's ok to transfer to mainspace?.
Because it would decrease the volume of things I'm doing at the same time.Taking advantage, these two here:
can they also be transferred to mainspace?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 15:10, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
All are fine to be mainspaced, I've moved them.--ForceFire 07:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 13:27, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

The edit on EP269

Hey, I just wanted to clarify so I wasn't seen as starting an edit war or anything; I'm new to editing things on the site. I started contributing because I've been watching through the entire series for a YouTube video I'm making, and I've been reading about each episode on the site as I go. When I started noticing little things I didn't see mentioned in the pages, I wanted to try my hand at sharing some new info. But again, I'm new, so I'm just trying to figure out how the site works at the same time and I thank you for your patience.

All of this is to say: I re-added the Heracross trivia on EP269's page and added an APNG of the scene in question for proof. I hope this current info is up to standards, I don't wanna keep causing problems. --JollyVG (talk) 14:30, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, wasn't sure what you meant by "glitch", which sounded like it might have been a video resolution thing. Also, a static image would be better, as an animated image doesn't play in gallery size.--ForceFire 17:12, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

New BDSP artworks as main pictures on Pokémon species pages

Hi, I'm wondering if it'd be possible to put up the new BDSP artworks as the main image for the 30 or so Pokémon that got a new artwork for BDSP. Let me know if I have your consent to do that. Thanks! Eukalyptis (talk) 02:08, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Wrongly invalidating my concerns

The reason why I am trying to get some of these links changed is because the parents of today's society will punish their children for absolutely anything and we just can't risk this anymore. I think that with these Wikipedia and other links to NSFW (at least by some parent's standards) content, parents could become paranoid about what their children are reading/watching/looking at. Besides I keep mentioning over and over again that there are legitimately damaging things on sites like Wikipedia which can be closely linked even if the page that this site links to isn't it. I should not known stuff about the adults only ESRB rating in fifth grade, for example. The fact that the content itself is damaging and the parents of kids can punish them further makes a double wrong, and two wrongs never make a right. Mario60866 (talk) 08:54, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

We can't control how parents will react, and we can't control how harsh they will punish their children. We also can't control what people view on their computers, whether intentionally or by accident. The bottom line is, if you feel another site has hurtful content then you should take it up over there, not here. We can't control what Wikipedia does on their articles. And the articles we do link to generally don't have any adult material on them, save for those regarding topics about adult stuff, but that's again is on the user if they want to click on that link or not.--ForceFire 09:31, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Goh's Heracross

By the rules, Goh's Heracross has already reached the minimum requirements for a page. Is it ok to move to mainspace?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 10:58, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

It's certainly notalbe, go for it.--ForceFire 13:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Ok, Thanks. I tried here and it appears that the page already exists. Probably have to delete the redirect.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 13:45, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Done.--ForceFire 13:52, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Journeys specials

Why did you undo the "last/next episode" connection edits regarding the Journeys specials? Are they not part of Journeys, the same way the special episodes of DP, BW, and XY, which also have received a similar treatment? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Ah, forgot the XY specials were in the middle of the series, could only remember the other specials being counted as after the series' finale.--ForceFire 18:14, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Look, I don't want to be nosy or anything. But doesn't that kind of "break the cycle"?The Mega Evolution specials are four isolated stories of Alain, these episodes of Journeys, well... they are a single story told in four parts.
If it fits with the airing date, will we put JN093-JNS01-JNS02-JN094-JNS03-JNS04-JN095?That's right? Even more because here, there is only one redirection (I've seen some wikias that use two, one for chronology and another for the next event), considering that we don't even know how these episodes will come to the Western, it doesn't make much sense. --Hikaru Wazana (talk) 19:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Can I readd the removed edits, FF? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:26, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Nevermind. Didn't notice you already did so. Sorry. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Between Force Fire's first instinct being not to insert the specials and abcboy stating reservations as well, I think we should keep them separate for now. I think if anyone has further comments, User talk:Abcboy#Journeys specials is probably the place to focus discussion at the moment. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:13, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

About voice actors

You say even episode credits are not reliable source. Am I supposed to believe every single things must have a cite web to news or interviews or voice actors' social media? Even released anime episodes? So, either I'll find sources you want or I'll go edit something else (if there even is anything for me to edit anymore)? --CAJH (talk) 18:17, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Oh, you answered already to my homepage. --CAJH (talk) 18:20, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


Hi, at first, sorry for the inconvenience.

In the last few days, I've been trying to work on Cynthia's page in the anime, as I saw that the page was very superficial with her content and the character has a huge development in the anime, I wanted to know your opinion. I mean, is the work done so far satisfactory? Generally speaking, I still had to go into more detail about her role in the Team Galactic and Team Rocket ending arcs in DP and BW, respectively.

But to avoid unnecessary discussion and another incident like the one on Chloe's page, I would like to know if you approve of me continuing with what I've been doing here or the ideal is to go back to where I was before. No need to edit, I would just like you to give it a read and in case you think it's better not to continue, I'll undo the changes myself. What would you prefer me to do?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 20:56, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

The problem I see is that it's way too much, some of the entries are far too long and would be more suitable for the plot section of an episode article. Histories should generally be short and to the point, there's no need to add every little detail of what a character does in an episode. If you find yourself writing paragraph after paragraph based off what a character does in one episode, then you should dial it back a bit.--ForceFire 07:35, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
I agree with FF. In addition, your text is written in present tense, which is inconsistent with the past tense used elsewhere in the article. I also recommend checking any links you create in case they are redirect links. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:54, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
My initial objective would be to do the same as is done here on pages such as the manga characters, in fact, any anime character pages basically follow the same pattern;

In JN080, Cynthia (or any random character) says hi.

In JN096, Cynthia (or any random character) appears in a flashback.

In JN097, Cynthia (or any random character) looks to the sky.

That is, much of what was on the page before, fit perfectly on the page of the games counterpart(practically making useless, Cynthia from the anime has an exclusive page). But when you look at Cynthia from the anime's angle, she's a character that has been built for more than 10 years. Even more with a huge plot built for the battle between her and Ash, which Pokémon Journeys has been anticipating will happen.
I don't believe this is something inherent to the manga characters, because Paul's page follows a different construction than usual, for example. Even being better written than most rivals in the anime. A lot of what I see on Cynthia's page in the anime is Cynthia's story from Ash's perspective, when it should be Cynthia's story from the anime's perspective.
Anyway, I'll be copying what I did on Cynthia's page for my personal page(Now I can't do that because of the three daily edit rules), so I'll return to what I was before. Sorry for the inconvenience.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 14:28, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Stopping leaks

Why did you lock all articles until Legend arceus is released?

You didnt think leaks are confirmed? or other things?--Leokids (Splash!) (talk) 15:57, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Leaks/pre-release info are not to be put onto the articles until the games are out. Period. It's how we do things. I had initially semi-protected those articles as a warning not to add those information, but people still added the information anyway.--ForceFire 16:09, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Hisuian Starter Evolutions

First off I’d like to apologize about the datamine info even though I hid it

Second, I think we can update the pages for Decidueye, Typhlosion, and Samurott now, because this trailer just dropped on the official Pokémon YouTube channel.

Crummymummy (talk) 17:23, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Problematic edits

I didnt know you dont think the name sharing between the Pokémon and the enemy spy from the Naruto series. Why dont you think it is notable?

And why do you think my teddiursa edit is a speculation? and a assumption?--Leokids (Splash!) (talk) 16:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

It's a coincidence that the two share a name. It's nothing special.
You are assuming that one entry talking about one bee Pokemon applies to all bee Pokemon. One entry states that Teddiursa uses the pollen and fruit of Beedrill (and just Beedrill), while the other states that it takes the honey from Combee (and only from Combee). You can just interchange them however you like.--ForceFire 16:38, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Don't be childish

Could you please start acting like an adult? You act like you own everything and doesn't want to cooperate with anyone. What's your problem about Meltan?--Rocket Grunt 17:06, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I've updated the hidden note so you can get what I mean. I do things for a reason, if you are confused (even though I had already added a hidden note saying why it needs to be there prior to your edit), then you can ask me or go to the talk page.--ForceFire 17:10, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I am very happy about that. But leaving unfinished template for a long time is still an issue. What's the problem with that? I know how to make templates. I could fix that.--Rocket Grunt 17:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Looked around the categories and found there's already one in the userspace, I've mainspaced the template and updated the two articles.--ForceFire 17:24, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Awesome! Now about all other Pokemon that appear in LGPE. The main template "Template:Spritebox/7" should also have LGPE part in it and all Pokemon from generation I would probably need to be updated. Is there something you want me to do or should I try to do it on my userspace and show it later?--Rocket Grunt 17:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Actually, I see there are already done other templates. I'll be waiting until you mainspace them, because if you won't I will.--Rocket Grunt 17:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Speaking of templates to be mainspaced, could we get a "Pokémon/7" template variant for the Let's Go games in use sometime soon? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Regional Forms

Hey Force Fire. Quick question. For stats on regional forms that are identical, do you think the stats should be listed like this:

Base stats


Stat Range
At Lv. 50 At Lv. 100
150 - 197 290 - 384
63 - 128 121 - 251
63 - 128 121 - 251
40 - 101 76 - 196
40 - 101 76 - 196
18 - 73 31 - 141
Other Pokémon with this total
  • Minimum stats are calculated with 0 EVs, IVs of 0, and (if applicable) a hindering nature.
  • Maximum stats are calculated with 252 EVs, IVs of 31, and (if applicable) a helpful nature.
  • This Pokémon's Special base stat in Generation I was 40.

Galarian Slowpoke

Stat Range
At Lv. 50 At Lv. 100
150 - 197 290 - 384
63 - 128 121 - 251
63 - 128 121 - 251
40 - 101 76 - 196
40 - 101 76 - 196
18 - 73 31 - 141
Other Pokémon with this total
  • Minimum stats are calculated with 0 EVs, IVs of 0, and (if applicable) a hindering nature.
  • Maximum stats are calculated with 252 EVs, IVs of 31, and (if applicable) a helpful nature.

Or this:

Base stats


Stat Range
At Lv. 50 At Lv. 100
150 - 197 290 - 384
63 - 128 121 - 251
63 - 128 121 - 251
40 - 101 76 - 196
40 - 101 76 - 196
18 - 73 31 - 141
Other Pokémon with this total
  • Minimum stats are calculated with 0 EVs, IVs of 0, and (if applicable) a hindering nature.
  • Maximum stats are calculated with 252 EVs, IVs of 31, and (if applicable) a helpful nature.
  • This Pokémon's Special base stat in Generation I was 40.

Galarian Slowpoke

Galarian Slowpoke has the same base stats as Kantonian Slowpoke.

I'm personally of the mindset of the second one, as it trims the page down. And on that note, should regional forms get their own page? For example, Galarian Slowpoke on the navigation would be #079G. Navigating a Pokémon with a regional form is clunky and feels cluttered. Rahl (talk) 19:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
I agree that there's not need for a duplicate template if their stats don't change between forms, just as long as there is something saying that the stats are the same.--ForceFire 08:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Quick Q(s)

When was Pichu the Pokémon of the day? And how do I use the userboxes (Really confusing trying to learn them on my own)? - totally signed comment from Kirbychu Showdown (talkcontribs) 20:28, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Banned from Bulbagarden Forums?

ForceFire, did you ban me from the forums by any chance? Today when I logged in, I saw it said that I was banned for "rules violations". If I was banned, what did I do wrong? Mario60866 (talk) 14:07, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

You were not banned by Force Fire on the forums, and if you want to know more, you should look to why on the forums; they always give their reasons. Here and there are different places. Kai * the Arc Toraph 16:27, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Get a Grip

Doing research you couldn't be bothered to do isn't "speculation" and standing by it once isn't "edit warring." As someone has said before on your talk page - act like a grown up. I mean really, blocking someone because they didn't immediately step down? The next stage would have been to raise it on the article's talk page and discuss it like adults. Unfit for duty. PkMn Trainer Richie (talk) 20:23, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I went with a partial block because you have a history of reverting edits you don't agree with, I wouldn't have blocked you if you didn't have such history. If you're going to add such information, you need to add a source, because otherwise, it's going to be seen as speculation. I "didn't do my research" because I wasn't given much with your addition, which didn't even address what SnorlaxMonster added afterwards. Your addition was still going by the kana without any actual evidence that it was intended to be "saiko". In fact, you asked a similar thing on Soda Pop's talk page and I had given you an answer, yet that didn't satisfy you.--ForceFire 07:19, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Notable enough?

HW created a category for Pokémon anime episodes that focus on Leon. Is he a notable enough character to warrant this category? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:51, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

He is if any of those episodes were actually episodes that focused on Leon, which I don't think they were.--ForceFire 17:08, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
And here we go. Leon is Ash's main "rival" in Journeys. And he's had more episodes focusing on him than characters who already have that category like Sawyer, Kenny or Barry. And Journeys is still far from over.
And I swear I'd like to know what I did to you. At least you could put the nickname correctly.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 17:10, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
Now that I saw that they've already deleted... Forget it... U_U - unsigned comment from Hikaru Wazana (talkcontribs)
The idea of a focus episode is that it's an episode that puts focus on a character, giving them character development or progress in their goal. Episodes where Leon just battles and ranks up/down, and nothing more can't be considered focus episodes. Just appearing doesn't make an episode a focus episode, or else literally every episode of the anime would be an Ash Ketchum focused episode.--ForceFire 17:29, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

On Cyrus' Crobat and the evasion of my argument

Your argument didn't address my point. I never claimed it wasn't speculation. Even if I did, speculation in and of itself isn't disallowed. As I said before, if you look at the Speculation Policy, you'll notice that there's a section that lays out a single exception: that if a recurring trainer has an evolution of a Pokémon they no longer carry, it is safe to assume that it's the same Pokémon. Exactly what happens in this case. Cyrus' Crobat fits the exception to a T. You haven't addressed my point. Your only rebuttal is contradictory to policy and it completely evades my argument.

Here's my question, plain and simple: Why is Cyrus' Crobat exempt from official policy? General Kipicus (talk) 05:34, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

"Given that trainers in the Pokémon anime generally do not own multiple Pokémon in the same evolutionary line concurrently" that only applies for anime characters, not game characters. And speculation in general is disallowed, unless there are cases where we would allow it, in this case, it is not.--ForceFire 05:42, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh my word... I read that thing over at least ten times to make sure I read it right... I feel like a total idiot...

I am so so so sorry about this. I can't apologize enough. I sincerely thank you for your unwarranted patience with me here. I can't explain how much I appreciate it. Once again, I am extremely sorry. I'll put great effort into ensuring you don't have to deal with my complete ineptitude anytime soon. I hope you have a great day!

P.S. As stated, I didn't intend to be insulting, but, looking back, I realize I was completely out of line. I was perhaps too confident. I sincerely apologize. I appreciate your unwarranted patience in kindness in this regard beyond understanding. General Kipicus (talk) 06:23, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Left handed

Since when every piece of trivia needs to be important? It's specifically designated for information that is not important but sill somehow interesting. It's the same thing as hair or eyes color that appear in every character's infobox, and I don't see you being annoyed by it. Same goes for height, weight, birth date, zodiac sign, and even blood type. Fictional japanese characters have them more often because that assigns some personality traits to them. [1]--Rocket Grunt 17:32, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Those are in the infobox and are not trivial. Most of those are either physical or personal traits that are important in terms of character design. Zodiac signs and blood types are the two I don't find too important, but it is still important in Japanese culture (and most others). Someone being right/left handed on the other hand, isn't that important to character design nor does it mean anything (at least, not that I'm aware, as the ones a do know are disproven ones).--ForceFire 17:43, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
You can't subjectively choose it can't be added on the page. And it is a canon fact stated by the official source.--Rocket Grunt 17:51, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Even if it is canon fact, it's not important to note. There's no significant meaning to someone being left or right handed. Besides, you also don't deem some of the stuff on the concept art notable, so why would him being left hand be notable.--ForceFire 17:54, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
For me it's the same type of information as the ones I already listed, like height, birthday, blood type etc. If they are notable, so it is.--Rocket Grunt 17:59, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
And there's a reason why those are in the infobox and not which hand is a character's dominant hand. Users would be more interested in knowing a character's hair color, or zodiac sign even, than which is their dominant hand.--ForceFire 18:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
And what's the reason? It feels subjective. For users these character traits are interesting when they can compare themselves. So it all have the same relevancy.--Rocket Grunt 18:13, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Nobody removed the bit about left-handedness from the Candela page, so what? Are you going to hate this when someone adds that to the Allister page? --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 19:00, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Hair color, eye color, height, age, birthplace, and birthdate are all part of a character's design and biology, and thus are important. Hand orientation plays no part in design whatsoever. And the fact that only a few have been given a certain hand orientation proves it's not something the designers keep in mind. Whereas zodiac sign and blood types are significant because of Japanese culture holding them at high value. Hand orientation has no significant cultural meaning. Again, none that I'm aware of. The ones I am aware of are disproven BS like "left handed people living longer than right handed people". Absolutely nothing. Bfdifan, just because it's elsewhere doesn't make it notable. It just needed to removed in those articles as well.--ForceFire 07:03, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

How do you explain creator adding that detail if it holds no meaning? There are traits associated with left-handed people like [2][3] ones gives here.--Rocket Grunt 13:29, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
To give the character individuality, giving them something unique. But it still doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things, they just decides to give them a hand orientation. And even with the scientific discoveries regarding lefties, there's still no culture that holds hand orientation to much importance like Japan holds blood types as important.--ForceFire 13:39, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
As always, you're painfully stubborn, never consider other views and hold strong opinion over trivial subjective matter.--Rocket Grunt 14:33, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Pasture Page Take Down

I am sorry to cause problems about articles I made today. Like: Pasture and Temple of Sinnoh. In other articles I create in future I won't be refering Player as YOU - (the reader). And I won´t create speculation/theories on my articles anymore, (but still it has been officially confirmed on Pokémon Presents 8/18/21 that Pokémon Home will be supporting Pokémon Transferration in both Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Pokémon Shining Pearl versions and of course Pokémon Legends: Arceus). But still, I will not write any news (or reffrences to unreleased titles) that aren´t officially released in my Articles. - Angryhonzik Official

Another quick Q

Should Pokémon in the Undiscovered or Ditto Egg Groups have a "by breeding" section in their Learnset section? Because, in my opinion, if they can't breed, then should they have this:

by breeding

Generation VIII
Other generations:
V - VI - VII - IX
 Parent   Move   Type   Cat.   Pwr.   Acc.   PP 
This Pokémon learns no moves by breeding.
  • Moves marked with an asterisk (*) must be chain bred onto Victini in Generation VIII
  • Moves marked with a double dagger (‡) can only be bred from a Pokémon who learned the move in an earlier generation.
  • Moves marked with a superscript game abbreviation can only be bred onto Victini in that game.
  • Bold indicates a move that gets STAB when used by Victini
  • Italic indicates a move that gets STAB only when used by an evolution of Victini
  • Click on the generation numbers at the top to see Egg moves from other generations

or nothing at all? - totally signed comment from Kirbychu Showdown (talkcontribs) 21:00, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

JN090 devolutions

Several Pokémon species articles mention that a main character's Pokémon temporarily devolved into this stage in JN090, such as Drizzile's article. I presume these mentions can be removed? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

For ones like Gastly or Dratini, it should be there in the sense that a Gastly or Dratini appeared in the episode. For mons we did see as their pre-evolved form prior to JN090, that probably doesn't need to be noted as that's already in the main article of that individual.--ForceFire 09:52, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Makes sense. As for main characters' mons whose pre-evolutions were seen prior to JN090, should them devolving be noted under the Pokémon's own section in the "In the anime" section or not? I personally assume no. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:44, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
I personally don't think it needs to, considering we don't expand said sections into great detail, but the line that's already there is probably fine and acknowledges the event (and definitely counts as major as well).--ForceFire 12:01, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
So can I remove the devolution notes from the fully evolved species articles, or do I leave them? I'm not personally sure if they fit there. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
From the fully evolved forms specifically? Sure.--ForceFire 17:42, 16 February 2022 (UTC)


Hi, I've uploaded an image where both genders are there. It hasn't loaded yet it seems, but you can look at it here Cropped, centered, proportions are the same. Oneofthosedf (talk) 15:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah, okay. It'll probably show the new image later.--ForceFire 15:25, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Edited images

Hi, I'm starting a test with some apps and I made some changes to anime images. I removed the background from the images and edited them so it looks a lot like some artwork images. I would like to know if they can eventually be placed in the articles and maybe stay as the main images. I think that in those images where the character appears in full body they work very well, but would like other opinions. I did a test on two pages to see what the result looks like and saved it here for someone to take a look at.

Should I work on more stuff like this, or is this not interesting for the site?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 17:08, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

No... just no... the idea of there being a background is the least of our worries regarding main anime images...--ForceFire 17:12, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
Ok.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 17:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)


Why did you say the standard is for table templates to not display as actual tables on the template page? Or was it to use only <includeonly> and <noinclude> instead of <onlyinclude>? --Bfdifan2006rozmowa · sprawozdanie 20:57, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

It is of no concern that the template looks like raw code, it's not like it's going to look like that when the template is in use.--ForceFire 05:56, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Chloe's evolution stones

Pikablu thinks the cases of Chloe obtaining her evolution stones don't count as major events due to her not being counted as a main character. I think they do, but what do you think? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:16, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

What’s your reason for thinking it is? When do we ever mention things like that for recurring? If she gets a Pokémon I mean sure that’s good enough but a stone she’ll never use… Maybe if she uses it to evolve eevee but not before.Pikablu (talk) 12:20, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Just thinking as well, if Chloe getting the stones isn't a major event, surely the same would go with Chloe visiting other regions.--BigDocFan (talk) 12:21, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Her catching Eevee also counted as a major event, so I think her obtaining evolution methods for it could potentially be counted as major events too. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:44, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
catching a Pokémon and getting an item are very very different things. Maybe if she used it but for now she was handed a rock. So what?Pikablu (talk) 13:35, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
I think the discussion is based on the point where they're trying to build something for Chloe into the plot of the anime. Chloe may not be a main character (I slightly disagree), but she is more of a recurring character. I could even be wrong but she is more present in Journeys than Team Rocket.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 10:54, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
They have actually appeared in the same amount of episodes so far, at 40. Considering she has a similar amount of focal episodes, and how the third intro she appears with Ash and Goh a lot throughout, I feel her collecting the stones should stay, and omitting her from some major events seem weird, such as in JN074, Dawn alone did not discover Cresselia, Chloe discovered it first. I feel there should be a definitive discussion on considering Chloe a main character or not, especially with how she has been featured more prominently now. There's also the fact that supporting characters such as Alexa and rivals like Bianca have major events listed when they temporarily join Ash's group, so I think keeping when Chloe visits regions is fine.Noelephant213 (talk) 17:17, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Keeping her traveling makes sense because,yeah, we list it for any recurring character. Getting an item isn’t. The writers have confirmed she is not a main character and we shouldn’t treat her like one.Pikablu (talk) 18:09, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
But if the item is part of her story arc, isn't it an important event? I'm sorry, but as far as I can remember, the "Major Events" section was never just for the main characters. Or at least it shouldn't be. I understand the reasons for not listing Chloe as a main character, I just think there should be a happy medium. --Hikaru Wazana (talk) 18:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
I don’t think it’s important if it is never used.Pikablu (talk) 19:23, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
The entire point of the stones is one of Chloe's main arcs in this series: what evolution will Eevee take, its clear if more than one episode has her obtain an Eevee evolution item, it is teasing a possible new evolution of Eevee in the series. I agree with Hikaru to add Chloe obtaining stones. Also, do you even have a source about the writers? Noelephant213 (talk) 19:54, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

(resetting indent)I don't think whether she'll use it or not is justification on whether to put it in the major events section or not, Ash received a Fast ball from Kurt and never used it, yet we still list it as a major event. I think it's fine if it's an important item, not like she was given a potion or anything, she was given an evolutionary stone. As for going to another region or catching a new Pokémon, those are fine. Anything else isn't notable, even if she is treated more important, she's still a supporting character, and is still listed as such on the official site.--ForceFire 07:54, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, but if an event relevant to a "supporting character" happens why should that information be omitted? In the end this is what I said about character building and no one answered anything. For example, Cynthia had a whole character building throughout the anime to get to the battle she's going to have against Ash, Chloe until episode 50 we didn't even know if she would be a trainer or not, now she is a trainer that is being built a story arc for her and we come back to the same discussion. I personally think Eevee won't even evolve, mainly because it's supposed to become a Gigantamax Eevee, but something is being done for Chloe and there's no point in ignoring it. By the way, even though Chloe is not a main character, she occupies the position of the "Poké Girl" of the current generation, that's a fact. --Hikaru Wazana (talk) 15:30, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
I still don't understand why Chloe is not listed under encountering Cresselia in JN074, it feels off putting to pretend she was not in that situation with Dawn. There are examples of non main characters having major events listed about them, an example being in JN090 where Faba learning that Kukui is the Masked Royal is listed, yet Faba has appeared in far less significance than Chloe. Is there a link on the official site that Chloe is a supporting character? I'm not disagreeing I just can't seem to find it... Noelephant213 (talk) 19:06, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
If I'm correct, this comes from the official website on TV Tokyo. The problem with using this page as source is that it is not updated frequently, including some broken links. And yes, this Faba example is one more point. Although the anime is still Ash's story, it's been several years since it's just "Ash's anime". It's even cool, because it shows that it's a universe with a life of its own and it shows that the characters have a life of their own when they're not with Ash.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 20:00, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
Oh ok, got it. That's interesting to bring up especially since Chloe is listed ahead of Team Rocket on the site Noelephant213 (talk) 01:59, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


Hi! Where could I submit suggestions for the editorial board to consider? I've just finished completing the learnsets for every move in LA and with that I'd like to drastically overhaul/simplify how the move learnset templates look. It'd be a lot of work, but there is plenty of time until the next games. I already discussed the matter with User:SnorlaxMonster who broadly supported it, so I'd like to start the official process of having my suggestions evaluated/fine-tuned/accepted. You can find everything you need to know in my sandbox.

Another suggestion would be using galleries when we list the confirmed Pokémon an artist has designed. This seems pretty straight-forward to me, I hope I don't need to list reasons as to why. It would really help people understand and appreciate the artists more.

Oneofthosedf (talk) 20:50, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Could I at least get an answer? Or could you redirect me to a person who can help me with the process?
Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 15:52, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Apologies for the late response. I'll briefly go over your points. Point 1 and 4 seem to go hand in hand, I wouldn't mind using the sugimori artwork in favor of the menusprites for single image templates. Using them for a list makes the template look larger than it needs to be, so menusprites (being smaller) works better imo. As for the types, the older ones are preferred because the text is larger than those on the newer symbols. The new symbol may look nicer but it doesn't help those unaware of what those smbol represents.
For points 2 and 3, Maahirmomtaz is in the wrong here. I have no idea why they are making those edits and someone should ask them why on their talk page. If they doesn't respond, then staff can make them respond. Using the sup template for game specific moves is indeed how we do things. Though I do agree that it has recently gotten ridiculous, and your templates are indeed a better way of showing them. I don't think having both games and generations in one header would be confusing, as long as the reader understands the purpose of such layout.
For point 5, I'm 50/50 on it. I think they should be separated for being completely different learning methods, but I can understand merging them to save space.
As for the galleries, eh. We don't do that for voice actor articles, so I don't think it's worth doing it for the designer articles. Just bloats the article up, imo.--ForceFire 07:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for the response. I hope I didn't come off as arrogant, but I'm just used to sending a reminder to offices IRL. There was no frustration behind it.
The two points that I care about most are #3 and #5, the ones that would require the most work and the ones that are most needed. I'll address all of them one by one briefly.
1: I just think the different line heights look pretty jarring. Consistency is always the best, and considering we can fix all the templates that use menusprites this easily, it should be done. I do dislike that all of them need to be 68x68, but that's life. Nothing we can do about that (unless of course we move away from pixel art, which gives us endless sclability options).
2&3: I think they noticed the situation getting ridiculous as well. If my suggestions are accepted, we would only need to use the superscripts for the few forms and new Pokémon that were introduced in Pt, B2W2, ORAS and USUM. I trust the reader will understand it. But we can always leave a note in the footer explaining that Gen VII and Gen VIII needed to be broken up.
4: I think the era of menusprites is over. We'll inevitably get confirmation in a few months when the SV trailers start to showcase some gameplay. But neither BDSP nor LA uses them anymore. I think it's done. Consistency is always the best move, and a core quality of Bulbapedia. I love the spritework personally, but they don't look as good on the Switch as they do on Bulbapedia. We can't keep using menusprites and the LA headshots with whatever SV will introduce, then a possible fourth artstyle by the end of 2023. I understand the issue with the Sugimori artworks taking up too much place, but technically they wouldn't. There would be just less white spaces. I pray for a game where every Pokémon is available again (mainly for this reason), but until then the Sugimori artworks are the only thing every Pokémon has (Eiscue forms and Galarian Zen Darmanitan don't need to be incldued, thankfully). I also don't think they look bad, I can try making a longer list with 100+ Pokémon if that's something you think would be more convincing.
4: As for the type bars, I'm not sure that I understand your complaint. I don't see why we'd need to use the ones from 2006. AFAIK the Fairy type bars are fan-made. My sandbox displays the version with the type names. They are perfectly legible, and the symbols aren't too small either. The colors broadly fit the colors Bulbapedia uses as well. We should move away from pixel art, because monitors with higher resolutions don't accommodate them too well. I need to zoom out a whole lot for them to look crisp. Ironically the type bars I am using are now obsolete as well, BDSP, LA and SV use a new version, so I shall implement those (though I'd need permission to remove the dead space around them).
5: This is partly about future-proofing, partly about reducing bloat, and partly about displaying information as neatly as possible. I am certain we will get new learning/tutoring methods later down the line, and we don't need another section for Giga Drain with 300+ entries that contains the same information. It also addressed the issue with moves that keep going for TMs to tutors to TRs, then back to tutors, etc. I don't think it would be confusing at all.
Galleries: I wouldn't want them to be used on voice actor pages either, utterly useless IMO. I think there is a stronger argument for displaying artworks on the pages of the designers. A list just feels lifeless, while a gallery feels respectful to the artists, and helps users understand their design philosophy.
I want to get as much input from experienced users as possible. I really want these changes to accommodate everyone, since I think this is the way going forward and something no other big sites have. How should I go about gaining supporters for this? I refrained from writing individual community members as I feel that constitutes as spam. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 12:57, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Your posts doesn't seem arrogant or confrontational at all. I can understand wanting to bump a discussion when an admin doesn't respond to it. If you want to reach out to more users but not spam multiple talk pages, you can always use the Editor's hub talk page. Though going to a staff member works just as well, as they will most likely relay the message onto the other staff members in the staff discord.
1: Nothing we can do if the images are of varying sizes. We can't expand the smallest menusprite to be the same size as the largest menusprite.
2/3: Seems we are in agreement on this. I don't mind separate columns within a generation for separate games.
4: I was actually under the impression that the artwork would make the other cells have more whitespace than needed as opposed to menusprites, but checking now, doesn't seem to be the case. Probably is more ideal looking comparing the two again.
4: As for the types, (if I remember correctly) that was what was mentioned as the reason for using the older type images in a staff chat. The text would appear too small in the size we would have them, as opposed to the older images where the text were essentially the image. It's probably fine for mobile, but not so much for desktop.
5: Yeah, not entirely against reducing repeated information, so I won't be bother if we do decide to merge them together.
Galleries: That's understandable. I think having the images be smaller would change my mind, just having them how it is on your page makes it seem cluttered.
And just a couple points about your templates: I think leaving the tutor/tm/tr row white works best to avoid color clashes (using EP for IoA may or may not be confused with CT, unless there's not much of a difference in movesets), and leaving out games where the move isn't coded in makes sense (though I think a note in the footnote might be best to avoid confused users asking questions).--ForceFire 14:53, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
1: I was thinking about what we have on the Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl page. The version-exclusive list already uses the Moveevtrytm template, so we'd only need to change the headers (I think). The images are not altered, only centered. I am not exactly sure which part of the code makes them appear this way, but you can't deny that it looks more cohesive.
4: Here is an image ( I want you to look at. I use 2560x1440 monitors and at default zoom, everything on Bulbapedia appears to me as it does in the bottom row. Amazing for artworks. So much detail. Terrible for spritework, unfortunately. In order to enjoy them, I need to use 80% zoom (the standard for smaller resolutions), which makes everything tiny. You can also compare the readability of the type bars on the image. Exact same font height. I think one can read both just fine. By completely getting rid of spritework, we now have a zoom-proof wiki. People who are hard of seeing can now freely zoom in without the fear of blurry pixelart. So my proposal actually accommodates readability, if you think about it. It also shows that we don't need to stick with 68px, we can go smaller, if we want to further reduce scrolling. Or we can use 70px on move pages, but go with 50px for the headers on Pokémon pages. Endless possibilities. It would need some manual work, since the naming conventions for menusprites and Sugimori artwork are different, but that's part of future-proofing.
Galleries: Okay, I'll make some variations. I just used the default Bulbapedia gallery, I'm fine with scaling down.
IoA is unfortunately completely unreadable on a white background, and since it's neither a game, neither a separate DLC, using the EP superscript is more accurate. We don't list the tutor locations on the move pages (not in this case), so it doesn't matter whether it's obvious that the tutors are available on the IoA or the CT. Anyone who has access to one of them, automatically can access the other. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 15:36, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

You hate Lighting Power,didnt you?

The name change you reverted was more accurate than the name they brought up.

You know,Força means Power,not Force--Leokids (Splash!) (talk) 12:43, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Because Daniel Carrero speaks Portuguese according to his userpage, whereas you don't indicate that you do, thus I'm going to believe the one that says they speak Portuguese.--ForceFire 13:34, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

New bot?

Hello, should there be a new bot that automatically welcomes new users on their talk page using {{subst:Welcome}} template? — PokémonFan12345. 23:00, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Not Force Fire but that shouldn't really be used until the user makes good-faith edits or an attempt to contribute to the wiki, if me doing that on SmashWiki taught me anything. Wouldn't wanna welcome a vandal. Awesomelink234 (talk) 23:05, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Gen IX

Hello! can you please tell me why you deleted the gen 9 page? ----DHP613 15:00, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

They didn't delete it, they moved it from their userspace to the mainspace. Here it is Generation IX. Kikugi (talk) 15:02, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I am very sorry, I see now why they did it, thank you for informing me and have a great day :) ----DHP613 15:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)


I wanted to apologize. I was the one who created the "Bea (anime)" page. I didn't know that it required an admin approval to create these pages. I'm sorry if I seemed offensive and/or selfish for doing so without authorization/approval.

HygorBH (talk) 16:54, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

Can I create Scarlet and Violet color templates?

I saw that Pokémon Scarlet and Violet have been announced. --SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 22:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

I think it's best to wait a litte longer until we get more information on the Pokémon Scarlet and Violet series. — PokémonFan12345. 22:15, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
SaturnMario, you are well aware that only staff can make color templates.--ForceFire 07:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)


When will I be able to put User:PokémonFan12345/Nugget Bridge (site) back in the mainspace? — PokémonFan12345. 16:37, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

When the editorial board feels that the site is notable.--ForceFire 07:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)


Both forms of Urshifu have the same Base Stats, so should we do the same thing we did for the Regional Variants who had the same Base Stats as their normal variants? - totally signed comment from Kirbychu Showdown (talkcontribs) 21:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC) P.S. I also noticed you didn't respond to my other posts. Why?

Sure.--ForceFire 07:29, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, the change has been made. - unsigned comment from Kirbychu Showdown (talkcontribs)

“Why didn't I reply when I made the edit, this desynchronizes the time of the page edit and this reply” — That's completely fine, I don't care about the desync. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 20:32, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Calem's Age

I've opened a new discussion on Calem's talk page as I noticed some back and forth about Calem's age and it's beginning to look like an edit war. I did not want to make any further edits as to contribute to the revert conflict. Landfish7 03:52, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


Those names were added by Abcboy to the List of Japanese Pokémon names article. He also stated the source in the edit summary. --Bfdifan2006! Or is he actually Keyacom? 06:33, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Primordial chaos

I know the last guy did without permission and stuff but it is its possible to request creation trio be renamed to Primordial chaos with approval and waiting patiently this time if its okay due how I assumed was not done properly? Or is it too late due to again the banned person's stunt? After we have evidence on the official tear given when I added it, it was accepted.--Jacob9594 (talk) 14:37, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Trademarked names

I had to revert your edits at the Overqwil, Ursaluna, Sneasler and Enamorus pages because you caused the unofficial Japanese transliteration to only appear in the tooltip for the kana name, which appears as ラブトロス
(in this case, for Enamorus). I think that's rather undesirable. For consistency, it should display as ラブトロス
for now. It's always been like this.

After the official trademarked names are revealed, the kana should have a tooltip for the 1:1 transliteration, and below should be the trademarked Japanese name. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 15:50, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Sneasler's leak

I don't know if you guys know this but, a sihoulette of Sneasler climbing a mountain was leaked long before Sneasler was even revealed, so I think that this should be added to its page.AnnieCat07 (talk) 16:22, 4 March 2022 (UTC)


You tricked me into editing the creation trio articles by permanently blocking me from doing that. What should I do to get my privileges back? --SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 21:26, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

If the block is an indefinite block then you're not likely to get unblocked until you've proven yourself to be a good editor. If you want to suggest an edit I would leave a comment on the talk page of the article. In the mean time, learn from this and just be a good editor, and maybe one day they'll recognize your growth and grant your privileges back. But just asking for your privileges back over and over.. I feel like that isn't going to accomplish much. Landfish7 01:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
As Landfish stated, you have to prove yourself that you can go to the talk page first and not make largescale edits. I let you edits on the Wii article slide because I thought they were fine, at least. But for the creation trio article, no, that's not going to be that easy.--ForceFire 05:45, 5 March 2022 (UTC)