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Japanese names, no english

Hi there! I have one little problem with some pages, because some of the pages that have the template {{Japanese name|rom}} do have the text 'He/She is unnamed in the English dub, simply referred to as >Name<.' and some don't. So I began editing those who are not from the anime, and there were quite a lot of both. So someone said I should contact a staff member before beginning to make all those edits. So now I'm contacting to you, what should we do? Remove those lines if they are there, or make them if the aren't? Thanks! Lokki (talk) 08:25, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

I think stating that a character is unnamed when the template already says it is unnecessary, so I'd say remove those that do have that extra line.--ForceFire 09:43, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
All right, thanks Lokki (talk) 13:48, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Done! Thank you very much. Lokki (talk) 14:26, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Pokémon with gender differences in the anime

How come some Pokémon that have gender differences are allowed to have their genders confirmed while others are not allowed? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 04:13, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Both variants of the gender has to appear in order for us to use gender differences. A female Gyarados has not appeared in the anime yet, so for all we know, the animators could decide that all Gyarados (male and female) have skin colored whiskers Just because they've showed Pikachu's gender difference, does not mean all other gender differences are confirmed to exist. Games=/=anime. The animators can decide to change it up because they just can--ForceFire 04:33, 4 September 2016 (UTC)


Once again me and him are having disagreements over wording, specifically whether it should be "XY135/XY136" or "XY135 or XY136". Now he's acting really disruptive and stuck-up with this edit summary. He needs a lesson in manners. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:06, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

But I don't. You need a big lesson in hypocrisy and you need to learn that you shouldn't be changing edits when they don't need to be changed. Playerking95 (talk) 18:09, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
And I would like to know what harm is being posed by my edits when the readers can't even see that part of the content? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:10, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Seriously, hypocrisy. Do you at ALL know what it means, because if you do, then realise that if it doesn't matter, then why did you change it in the first place and why did you make something longer when you said shorter sentences were better? Please, answer me that, at the very least. Playerking95 (talk) 18:14, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
I thought others agreed with me that it doesn't really matter? And did you really just undo my last post? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:16, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't care what the others think and I have said that it's stupid anyway. Edits should be made to make things better, not the same and it does matter to me, so just answer the questions. And yes, I did undo your post, but it was an accident, honestly. Playerking95 (talk) 18:20, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, yes, there is no difference, but I don't care what anyone else thinks. Who uses / for "or" anyway? And like I said, it's clearly not harming anything. And I'm not convinced that you undid my post on accident. You've got an attitude and you show it when others challenge your work. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:24, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Well clearly you don't care what anyone else thinks, because you're getting your way, even though it's horribly unfair to me and many other editors here who posted things which were fine in the first place. The little guy never gets his side heard and I added an "/" as a placeholder because they might just appear in one episode, and then I or someone else can delete the "/" and the episode that it doesn't appear in or I or someone else could add brackets and the word and. Your way implies that there could be no "and". And about the deletion of the post, I used the history section and clicked undo to check your edit to the page, like I do with most pages and if you don't believe me, well, and I believe I'm in my right to say this, since it's not a big deal, I don't care. Believe me, don't believe, but I know that it was an accident, because we all make them. Playerking95 (talk) 18:32, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
You undid one of my edits here YET AGAIN. I'm really not convinced you're doing this on accident. If that's the way you edit articles then I'm not seeing it in your immediate edit history; you've only been doing this here ever since I reported you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:36, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Again, it was an accident, because I was too focused on responding to your posts after checking it and there's no point in reporting this, since I did nothing wrong, since it was only an accident. And you need to calm down, accidents happen, you can easily undo it and it's not the end of the world. But you're still going off topic, so please answer the questions about the hypocrisy. Playerking95 (talk) 18:40, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
I DID answer your question, aren't you reading? And also, you need to calm down when someone makes harmless changes to your edits. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:42, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
No you didn't and does it really matter isn't an answer, I want to know why you think your similar edits are fine, when they are basically the same thing, and why you've backflipped on your shorter is better rule, unless you're just trying to make sure that only you are editing here. Also, I am calm and from your second most previous post, you are not, so please calm down and I'm just talking about my edits, I'm talking about most of your edits in general, so please read what I'm saying. Playerking95 (talk) 18:51, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
THIS was my answer: "Well, yes, there is no difference, but I don't care what anyone else thinks. Who uses / for "or" anyway? And like I said, it's clearly not harming anything." And since WHEN did I have a "shorter is better" rule? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:54, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Okay, answer this simple question. If there's no harm and there's no difference, then why edit it in the first place? And you told me that it was better to have reappeared instead of appeared again, because it simpler and there is no way that the edit is simpler then it being shorter. Yet, you're making my edits longer, even though they are hidden and they'll be changed soon. Playerking95 (talk) 19:00, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Because why not? It's not hurting ANYTHING. And I said I understood the difference between "reappear" and "appear again". The / and or part, I DO NOT understand. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 19:09, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
It is, because it hurts my feelings and other feelings when their edits are changed to something similar, just for no one to care about this and if it doesn't harm anything, which it does, then please don't do it in the first place. I'm fine with you fixing mistakes and adding original content, but please, please stop changing things like that and I explain the "/" thing. So, since it's hidden and there not much of a difference, please leave it in future and then we can put this all behind us and maybe even get along. I'm not a bad guy, I just get annoyed when I feel that there's an injustice taking place. It's not that big of a request really. Playerking95 (talk) 19:14, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
We'll let Force Fire be the judge of that. Force Fire, where are you? Take care of this. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 19:17, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Great, I'm nice to you and then you ask someone to come here who is already on your side. This is something we can just settle between us. If you see an incorrectly spelled word, bad use of grammar, or other things like that, then you can edit them, and you made such edit son Meyer's page and I think also Steven Stone's page recently and I have no problems with those, so why can't you just make those kinds of edits and not change things so that they're basically the same edits, when they're fine and it does cause me and possibly others harm by doing this. I just don't see why we can't just be okay with this? Playerking95 (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
No. If our previous interaction (and everyone else's contributions to said interaction) was anything to go by, you definitely have an attitude when things don't go your way, whatever that way may be. And I can tell we're definitely not going to see eye to eye with anything. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't have an attitude problem, even if others say so, because none of you know me, so you are definitely wrong about that, among other things and yes, we won't see eye to eye, when you are fine with treating people unfairly, and also, please post in the correct order next time and don't change previous posts, I have told you this before, but I honestly don't believe you actually pay attention to half of what I say and as I've said countless times, it isn't harmless and even if it was, then there's NO reason to do it in the first place. There's no use trying to talk to any of you, because you're obviously not listening, or you don't care about what's fair or both, but I guess that's what happens when the little guy never gets his voice heard. Playerking95 (talk) 19:36, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
"I don't have an attitude problem, even if others say so, because none of you know me..." This discussion seems to say otherwise. "...I honestly don't believe you actually pay attention to half of what I say and as I've said countless times, it isn't harmless and even if it was, then there's NO reason to do it in the first place." I DO pay attention to what you're saying; don't think I'm being ignorant about this issue. And yes, there IS A REASON to do it in the first place, because who in the world uses a / in the place of "or"? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 19:41, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

"it hurts my feelings and other feelings when their edits are changed to something similar" It's a wiki, get over it. Your edits are going to be changed; that's how wikis work. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:26, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I actually DO know that, but they shouldn't be unnecessarily changed. Playerking95 (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
But maybe those changes would be harmless because technically no one is seeing it yet. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 19:29, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
Woah. Okay, first things first. Hidden notes don't really have to be edited, their hidden, not like anyone is going to see it and nitpick at it. So yes, editing hidden notes is unnecessary and kind of pointless, they can be edited when they are ready to be unhidden. What else is unnecessary is this edit summary Playerking, don't act like you know everything. You continual reverting clearly prove that. I thought I told you to go to a talk page before clicking the undo button? Don't just revert something you don't like, because knowing you, it'll just end up in a back and forth edit war.
Side note, why are you using the undo button to respond to others Playerking? It's clearly done you no favors , seeing as you accidentally removed some of GrammarFreak's comments.--ForceFire 05:33, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
But the thing is, who uses / in the place of "or"? It's such an unusual usage of punctuation. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:43, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, "/" should not be used when linking hidden things, as someone might miss the "/" when their unhiding the info. Nevertheless, it can get removed/updated when it is ready to be unhidden. Just don't worry too much about it or any hidden content, like I said, no one is going to see it and nitpick at it.--ForceFire 07:47, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, I'm sorry, but I am very obsessive about these things and will not care about whether it is hidden or not. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:00, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Why did you remove the trivia I added?

Why did you remove the trivia I added on the M18 page? I am referring to this page: - unsigned comment from Awesomevenustoise101 (talkcontribs)

Because things shown in trailers are either never actually shown in the movie or are different in the movie than the trailer. It's a common thing that is to be expected.--ForceFire 16:38, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Ash's Sligoo/Goodra

Sent you an email regarding a voice actor, just wondering if you take this as confirmation--BigDocFan (talk) 20:31, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

Okay, cool. Feel free to add those.--ForceFire 06:34, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

official sources

It seems like information can only be from official sources or by playing, watching reading the specific Pokémon product but what if the information on the unofficial source is true? Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 19:05, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Find where that unofficial source got their information from, and if it comes from an official source, then site the official source not the unofficial source.--ForceFire 04:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Contributions and edits and talking

I wasn't trying to make an edit war. I was just trying to contribute to the pages and the talk pages on here are very confusing. I am not sure why someone made a re-edit and didn't message me beforehand? I have been adding things I have noticed that while watching Pokémon and the errors they have made in the English dubbed version. Maybe there should be an easier way to message each other like a mail system or a chat box? I was only trying to help expand on things throughout the show that have happened. Please leave a message back. Raziel 5 (talk) 18:14, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

I said why I removed it in the edit summary, the errors are either too minor or not errors at all. If your edit has been removed, don't just add it right back, go to the talk page of the user that reverted you. And the talk page is the most effective way of sorting out discussions/problems about articles.--ForceFire 05:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Well, I find it very confusing that you have to edit someone's page to talk to them unless there is another way to do so? Sorry and is there anyway for you to remove the edit warring thing off the page? I was just really confused on how the pages work. I noticed also when you go to the edit top page thing on my profile even if you go out it is no longer there and just says edit this page? Not sure if that is an error in the website or what. Also no one has addressed my question Azumarill vs. Wartortle. Bubble or Bubble Beam? on Talk:EP216. Hoping someone can clear up either what attack it was or whether or not it was an error on Misty's part? Raziel 5 (talk) 14:46, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
How is going directly to the user's talk page to communicate with them confusing? This is something that should only be discussed on Bulbapedia, not elsewhere. I can delete revision history (if that's what you mean), but I don't see the need to. If you meant restore the edit that you made, then no, I'ce already given my reasons for their removal.
Someone will respond to your message on EP216's talk page when they do, have some patience. Also, sign your comments at the end of your comments, not at the beginning. And indent your comments by adding a colon, and more as the discussion progresses, so you would add four colons after my comment if you were to respond to me, and I would add five colons before my comment if I were to respond back, so on so forth.--ForceFire 15:18, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
It's confusing because like on this page we are chatting on it doesn't notify me when you put something new even though it is watched. Not sure why it doesn't notify me of that? The history and contributions and editing on the pages kind of baffled me at first , too. I guess revision history is what I meant? I believe you meant to put I've not I'ce? Guessing keyboard or finger slipped? I have also watched Pokémon since 1997 in the USA when it was released on television by Pioneer Entertainment.Raziel 5 (talk) 16:21, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Users are only notified if someone edits their talk page, you don't get notified if I edit my talk page. The only way to know if someone has responded to your message on a talk page that's not yours is to have it on your watchlist or lurk the recent changes. If you meant revision history, I'm not deleting it as I don't see the need to.--ForceFire 07:53, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Branched evolutions

We explicitly treat Mega Evolutions the same way we do for alternate forms for purposes like infoboxes and time switches, so why would we not treat Megas in the same way we treat Wormadam's alternate forms on List of Pokémon with branched evolutions? It seems like a no-brainer to me. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:50, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

A part of Burmy's evolution into Wormadam relies on which form it is when it evolves. Whereas Mega Evolution is straightforward and is not dependent on the "pre-evolved" form--ForceFire 05:53, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Megalith page

Hey, there. I have a question. Would it be alright if we make a page for the Megalith? Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 19:47, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Fairy type

So does the fairy type exist or not? Because we have seen in that chapter that they exist from moves like misty terrain and Pokemon like diancie. It's really unprofessional to get rid of legit information because "they haven't discovered it yet", because they clearly exist. If they are not confirmed then the moves should be unconformed as well. Don't let the wiki fence ride.--Pikablu (talk) 17:57, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Using a Fairy type move in a Gen VI era manga doesn't make the move a fairy type? That rule only goes for Pokémon and moves that changed types and gained the new type. If a Pokémon used Bite and has been using Bite since Generation I, then the template will show the move as a Normal type unless specified as a Dark type move. If it learns Bite post Gen I instead, then the template will show it as a Dark type.--ForceFire 03:29, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Video on EP 38 proof public now

I just fixed the video publicity, now everyone can view it. Sorry for that. I'm new to a wiki like this so I have alot to learn. - unsigned comment from TheGreenBeetle (talkcontribs)

That's okay, take your time with learning how the wiki works. I'll add the info in and fix the reference for you. Also, don't forget to sign with four tildes (~) after every comment, and don't re-sign an unsigned comment as it will give off the wrong timestamp.--ForceFire 04:26, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

"Intended for mainspace" pages

Do pages like this one follow the userspace policy on limited edits per day? sumwun (talk) 21:01, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

The rules are a bit more lax for pages for mainspace, but the limit is still there. Your mainspace edits for the day still has to be over your userspace edits per day.--ForceFire 04:09, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Serperior's Tackle

Hi, I have a doubt. In this page it says that Serperior use Tackle, but in the move's page, in the anime section there isn't Serperior? Why? I ask for security--Naty (talk) 17:05, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

Clemont's Magnemite

Notability rules say that Pokémon that are owned by Clemont are notable if they appeared in more than one episode and Magnemite has finally done that. So can the page User:Rahl/Clemont's Magnemite be moved to the mainspace?--Rahl (talk) 12:15, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

I've brought it up with the other staff members to get second opinions.--ForceFire 12:36, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
Hey I was just wondering how the discussion was going? This one is very similar to Clemont's Magneton so I'm not sure what the problem would be with Magnemite.--Rahl (talk) 17:47, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
ForceFire hasn't been active for a while, might be worth talking with other admin in his absence--BigDocFan (talk) 18:35, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I will--Rahl (talk) 19:47, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
BigDocFan. please don't speak for me, I was simply offline. The we are currently discussing ways to update the notability page so small, two paragraph pages like this doesn't creep into the notability requirements.--ForceFire 04:26, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Ash's Greninja

Can you do me a favor and unlock the Ash's Greninja please? I need to add something it did during XY137. When I'm done, I'll let you lock to page until further notice. --Seabiscuit2020 (talk) 20:17, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure pages get protected so that users can only edit the talk pages and the staff edit the page for you if your suggestion was good enough. sumwun (talk) 01:18, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Table formatting

# Pokémon HP Attack Defense Sp. Attack Sp. Defense Speed Total EVs
0015 Beedrill Beedrill
0 2 0 0 1 0 0 3

How do I get the colors in the second row to display correctly and remove the "0" from the last column? - unsigned comment from Sumwun (talkcontribs)

please explain

I could understand my trivia point on Gallade/Froslass being removed because it's unnecessary, too coincidental, or false (seeing as Ralts is actually dual-typed now), but how is it opinion and the other "parallel" trivia points (Phanpy, Noivern, Gothita, etc.) aren't? Nutter Butter (talk) 20:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)


Is the recurring Florges good enough to get its own page? It helped a lot with Goodras development which is important to the plot, kinda similar to Ash's raticate.--Pikablu (talk) 04:33, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

While I do think it is notable for an article, the staff would like to focus on the Sun and Moon stuff first.--ForceFire 05:14, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
that's good but there is already a page for it. Would it be too much right now to move it over? I'm fine waiting just curious.--Pikablu (talk) 11:41, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
Talked with the others and the page is fine to be mainspaced now if you'd like.--ForceFire 13:12, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Article-less talk page deletion

Hi! You deleted the discussion page I created for a missing article because the article itself was missing. I created this page because I do not have permission to create new pages. I'm note entirely sure on why (FAQ had nothing on this), but as a result I created a talk page suggesting its creation instead. If this is the wrong way to go about things, then where should I suggest creations in the future? This is a minor case since I just suggested a redirect, but it would be good to know in general as well. FIQ (talk) 17:15, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Bring it up on a talk page of an existing article, in this case, the talk page of Status condition would've worked just fine.--ForceFire 17:31, 20 October 2016 (UTC)


So what about Chespie? Is it good enough?--Pikablu (talk) 23:29, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Approved, feel free to mainspace it.--ForceFire 06:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
I tried to move it but it won't let me because a page with that name already exists, which I think is just a redirect. How do I fix this? Also since I'm here is Diantha's Gardevoir good enough?--Pikablu (talk) 12:21, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Ah, right. The redirect has to be deleted first before you can move it, I've moved it for you. I've brought up Diantha's Gardevoir for the other sot review.--ForceFire 13:09, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Gardevoir approved and moved.--ForceFire 16:01, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Ash's Bayleef

May I ask why you removed that {{fact}} tag without giving a reason in your edit summary? That is unsourced information and it does need a source to prove it.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 08:39, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Please read this section very carefully.--ForceFire 08:57, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
That's on the talk page it needs to be sourced in the main article. It doesn't say in which episode that happened.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 09:21, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Why did you also do it on Ash's Krookodile?Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 09:22, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
See EP136 trivia. As for Krookodile, read its talk page.--ForceFire 09:42, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Ash's Krookodile's page needs to source the episode in which that happened. I couldn't find the episode myself so it needs sourcing. Until then I'm going to add that tag back.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 08:54, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

True about Gabby, Ty, and Cheryl

But I was right about Gabby being voiced by Michelle Ruff, Ty being voiced by Derek Stephen Prince, and Cheryl being voiced by Stephanie Sheh. I looked that up from Behind the Voice Actor. - unsigned comment from Cameron33268110 (talkcontribs)

You still need to link to it, don't just say it.--ForceFire 04:02, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Alain's Weaville

Sent you an email, do I have approval--BigDocFan (talk) 10:07, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

My only gripe is that it doesn't really confirm if he voiced Weavile. Always ask more directly, try again.--ForceFire 13:10, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Emailed you Bill's response, will be more direct with my questions in future--BigDocFan (talk) 22:05, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Cool, that's better. Feel free to add it in.--ForceFire 03:12, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Added Bill Rogers but for some reason it isn't coming up - unsigned comment from BigDocFan (talkcontribs)
Thw VA parameter was the other way round ("enva" rather than the proper "vaen"). I've fixed it.--ForceFire 09:42, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Ah thanks, I'm pleased to be helping Bulbapedia, hopefully I can get some cast lists from Lisa Ortiz soon but she is understandably busy--BigDocFan (talk) 09:46, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Kanto Pokérap

I did say in the edit summary to provide a source yet you added it back without one. All information must be verifiable so please provide oneRatchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 06:19, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Not a valid source it's just one person's view on it. The video itself doesn't state any related controversy caused by it and the offence caused to Christians. When sourcing something you have to actually add it into the article itself not in the edit summary. You even added back the {{fact}} tag.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 16:04, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Are you going to respond to this because so far there is no evidence to support that point?Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 16:13, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
It's well known that christian fundamentalists have spoken against the franchise.--ForceFire 16:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Well can you provide a source then?Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 16:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Specifically the Pokerap being played backwards.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 16:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

When it's not midnight where I am.--ForceFire 16:29, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
While I'm not able to find any kind of source the past few days, but the source (if any had actually existed) probably died along with the 90s. This is not something that I can just pull out of the internet in a day, we're talking about something that may have not even been documented at all at the time. But it doesn't mean it didn't happen.--ForceFire 16:10, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
But without evidence there is no way of actually confirming it. This makes that information unreliable. For all I (and probably other) know it is an internet myth, it could've just been made up by someone as there is no source on the internet my theory could be correct, meaning it never actually happened. Yes you are right it might have still happened but could I do something similar and say that some people complained about something else. I wouldn't have a source but this bizarre claim would be just as valid as this "I love Satan". This site is meant to be an encyclopedia not a site that has unsourced information about internet myths it is very unprofessional to have this on this site. On a final note for this comment I didn't actually know about the Pokerap backwards before reading it on this site so it could be a case of this site helped to spread this myth. I therefore think this unsourced information be removed.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 11:04, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
As you haven't responded to this I'm starting to think it's okay to remove that point.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 10:23, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
No response does not mean it's okay to remove it. Don't expect me to just magically find a source. Like I said, the source (if any) probably died along with the 90s and this sort of thing was probably not documented/taken seriously. But I'm pretty sure one of those Christian folks said something about the Pokerap.--ForceFire 11:58, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Don't speculate just because you think some Christians said that, it does not mean it's true. Without a source it's unreliable and should ultimately be removed. It's really unprofessional allowing this information to remain on this encyclopaedia.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 17:26, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

The whole idea of sourcing is so that you can prove to the readers that the information is correct. It doesn't matter that you believed it to happen if you can't provide a source it's inaccurate and should be removed. Why are you allowing it to remain stop being so ridiculous by not replying and ensisting that it remains. The rule to not edit warring is to discuss it well I have and as it turns out a source doesn't exist this is surely a conclusion so the information should be removed.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 11:45, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


As I am putting in the numbers for the different Alola numbers in the number disambiguation pages I am thinking that it needs to be slightly redone, by listing the general number number first and placing in the other entries as subnotes like this:

This is only because the Alola Pokedex takes a much different approach from the Kalos Pokedex where there is one part that is the number for all the Pokémon, and other for a specific area, instead of just listing one Pokémon in each area. Also despite the appearance of this draft I am sending to you I am willing to remove unneeded links (same Pokémon listed more than once and all DL links except the first one). What do you think? -Tyler53841 (talk) 16:28, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, but if you consult your in-game dex, it's clear that the island dexes don't use different numbering systems for different Pokemon. Brionne is the only #008 in Alola. For example, the Akala Dex starts with #010 Pikipek, continues on through #019 Butterfree, then skips to #027 Grubbin, and so on. The islands just use the same numbers as the overall Alola Dex, even though they have only a subset of the Pokemon. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


Can I say how good it is to have Bulbapedia unlocked, missed contributing to the site, hopefully Lisa Ortiz will send me cast lists soon and hopefully include M19 and SM001 and SM002--BigDocFan (talk) 21:58, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Erica Schroeder

Sent you an email regarding a post on Facebook, is that valid enough to add the info, just in case it isn't, I have messaged her about it--BigDocFan (talk) 15:28, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I'll accept that, feel free to add it in.--ForceFire 15:52, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Kiawe's Turtonator

Perhaps you'd like to look at the edit summaries for this page and deal with your friend or at least clarify why he is allowed to do as he pleases? Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 17:44, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


Hello, I was wondering if it's allowed to have offensive words in one's signature as it doesn't say in our signature policy. --Raltseye prata med mej 18:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

That should be common sense, it does not need to be said.--ForceFire 04:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I thought so too but I just told a user about this refering to it as "against our Signature policy" and realized it didn't say anything about it. Asked just to be sure and to have an authority's statement to fall back on in case he would argue about it, which he didn't, thankfully. Thank you anyway for answering my dumb question. :P --Silly dumbnut Raltseye prata med mej 08:41, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Random Edits/Sprites

I saw my Talk Page, & I'm sorry, okay? I'm 14, with ADHD, & Aspergers Syndrome. What do you expect from someone who is 63% excited? But I found the sprites for when they get registered into the Dex for Sun & Moon online. Should we use those? - unsigned comment from Hamfart (talkcontribs)

Please don't re-sign an unsigned comment, it gives off the wrong timestamp, or in your case, just don't do it, period. We prefer users to rip the sprites/models from the game rather than taking it from another site without permission.--ForceFire 05:33, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
How do they rip the sprites from the game? That seems difficult.--Hamfart
By using a card capture device.--ForceFire 14:50, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Where can I find one of those & how is it used?--Hamfart
Just google it. They're very expensive, if you can't afford something pricey, then you're going to have to let someone else do the sprite uploading..--ForceFire 14:55, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Mewoth Team Rocket's gender

In the page Where no Togepi's Gone before it says that Meowth's gender was confirmed before this. When was it?Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 16:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

May's Venusaur

Why do you keep removing the {{fact}} tag without even giving a reason in your edit summary. It needs sourcing to verify that it's female.Ratchet and Clank 1995 (talk) 16:21, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It's clearly a female. Both male and female variant of Venusaur have been shown in the anime, so it's safe to say that it's a female.--ForceFire 16:22, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Move pages

My question is rather trivial, but I will ask nonetheless. I notice, that on every move page, the column which displayed the Types of the Pokémon that learn a specified move has been replaced by Egg Groups. Is there a particular reason to it, as it seems rather odd to do so now, when the Types are what the move pages go by, since (maybe) the beginning of the site. Harryghost (talk) 16:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

I'd like to second this question. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to remove the types; why not list the egg groups alongside the types? To me, the types are a basic piece of information. They're usually listed anywhere Pokemon are listed, whereas egg groups aren't an often used piece of info. Is there a reason for the change? And was there even a discussion aside from one between admins? I feel like input from other users could have been beneficial. slimey01 17:10, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I don't think he's online ATM, but I can answer this question. If he wishes to add to it, he can do so.
The reason behind the specific species being removed is more of an issue of space. The breeding tables, on Gen. I move pages especially, were starting to get extremely long. So it was decided, instead of listing 20-30 members of the Egg Group who are capable of passing the move via breeding, we instead just list the actual Egg Group. This leaves it to the user to do the research for each speccies within the Egg Group(s) who is capable of learning a breedable move. For instance, when you look at Ice Beam, you see Psyduck can learn it via breeding and is a Water 1/Field pair of Egg Groups; you find either (Seel and Dewgong each in fact satisfy both) and breed it. It's easier than putting a full species list.
The second reason, which relates to this, is because at times there have been errors even within our information, or missing species. Listing just the Egg Group automatically includes everyone in the Egg Group with no errors (provided the Egg Group is correct in the first place).
The question then becomes one of chain breeding identification; ATM, there are notes in the coding about which involve chain breeds, but right now there is no option within the table. Once you identify one that is a chain breed, breed THAT species to get the proper parent and then breed THAT to get the desired result. Even without checking the notes, it might be possible to look for matching Egg Groups in places and figure out the connection; for example, Skrelp (a Water 1/Dragon group) can learn Acid Armor, but needs one of its Egg Groups; this can be done via Shellos, a Water 1/Amphorous, which can directly breed with Grimer or Muk. Coincidentally, Goomy can then pick it up from Skrelp as the third link in the chain, and it's the only way Goomy can get the move. This is how you use the Egg Group informarion to find the parents.
If you have further questions, please reply further. CycloneGU (talk) 20:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
That makes sense. I think that's a whole lot more efficient than how it was previously done. Is there a reason the types were removed from the table? slimey01 20:31, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I personally don't know the exact reason for this. I think it was partly to avoid confusion with Egg Groups in the tables. I do know that STAB is noted, either in bold or italics as necessary, so it may have been deemed unnecessary to include. CycloneGU (talk) 21:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Castform Sprites

I found it logical that Castform should have a Generation VII Spritebox (not trying to get you mad, since I still have lots to learn about the site). Is it okay with you?--Hamfart

Like I said on your talk page, the spriteboxes will be updated/edited by the staff once we have the Gen VII Pokemon sprites, so we can do it all at the same time rather than doing it in batches.--ForceFire 03:41, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
The 1st 721 Pokémon sprites for Gen. VI are USED in Gen. VII, so it's just the Alola forms & the 81 new Pokémon.--Hamfart
We know. We're waiting to have the Alola Pokemon sprites uploaded before updating the first 721 sprites, so we can do it all at once.--ForceFire 12:21, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Regarding Zygarde

Since it was you who said "It's not considered part of the trio until either the games or the anime explicitly calls them a trio, with the lore and all", and since you're an administrator, could you look at what I wrote on Zygarde's talk page and approve/disapprove my evidence? ----Celadonkey (talk) 14:19, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

I have an extremely limited understanding of the Japanese language and am not going to follow what fansubs say, since they usually take liberties. But I will bring it up with the other staff members and we will discuss it.--ForceFire 16:00, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


Who do I ask so i can upload these animated sprites? PlatinumPokenut (talk) 04:20, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I was referring to the site you were using to link the images. You have to ask permission from PKParaiso if you want to use their sprites.--ForceFire 04:59, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip! :D--Hamfart

I cant seem to find this user. Where do i find this PKParaiso?? Could you put a link there,but if not could you plz help me find him?PlatinumPokenut (talk) 15:59, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

It's a website: [1] ----Celadonkey 16:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh. So can i upload BW sprites from Pokecheck if i ask? PlatinumPokenut (talk) 20:03, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

If they give you permission and you can prove that they gave you permission, then yes. Also, your signature should go after your comment, not before.--ForceFire 04:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Issue on the List of Link Templates page

The {{gameabbrev3|GS}} for the gameabbrev section of that page has a minor issue as it is presented with a 3 in that section instead of 2 for the Generation 2 games, which needs to be fixed by an administrator. Just wanted to bring this simple fix to your attention. -Tyler53841 (talk) 17:29, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Gender Differences edit - Medicham

It appears so to me. Most noticeable in Gen VI. -Uncleben85 (talk) 18:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


Re this.

But why is something as redundant and pointless as that done like that on every page? And, if it is done like that on every page, why is that not written in the MOS? And why is it called a translation in the code when it's not a translation?

Seriously, if I am violating a convention that was decided on for some particular reason, could you explain it?

Satorukun0530 (talk) 09:52, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

It's done for consistency, and it's how we have done things for a long time. As for why it's not in the MOS, I don't know. Ask an Editorial Board member. Also, please create a new section on a talk page, don't just add your comment.--ForceFire 10:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I did create a new section. I just forgot to fill in the title. Honestly, I don't know why the software doesn't just fill in "untitled section" or something when forgetful old fuddie-duddies like me make mistakes like that.
Anyway, my understanding of the convention is that when the official English name is a literal translation of the Japanese, then we just repeat the official English name in italics within the parentheses. Doing like you did on that page creates the false impression that the translation inside the parentheses is somehow more accurate/literal than the official English name The reason I don't want to replace the "translated name with a word-for-word repetition of the official English name is that that also doesn't make much sense to me (it's redundant) and I'd rather wait until Nuva-kal gets back to me (or indicates that they are not going to get back to me) before going over their head to the Editorial Board. I'm still waiting on my tiny factual correction to the MOS to be restored, so actually changing the substance of it seems like biting off more than I can chew.
(And I'm guessing you'd be unwilling to fill in and answer my queries in Nuva-kal's stead?)
Satorukun0530 (talk) 01:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
General conventions, sure, but it's not our conventions. It's like that to follow what in the infobox, word for word, that's literally all it is - the information on the infobox, but instead it's on first line of the page. As for the removal/replacing, again, redundant or not, it's how we do things and SnorlaxMonster gave a good reason to repeat the translation.
I won't answer for Nuva-kal on this subject, since my knowledge on the Japanese language is limited. As for why you need to go to an Editoarial Board member, they (along with anyone higher than them) aree the policy-makers, they have the final say on any changes to Bulbapedia's policy--ForceFire 05:44, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

A question regarding animated PNGs

So, I've been trying to figure out what's going on here, but come up with nothing. I saw you are a fairly active administrator, and given that the main page says to ask staff if the faqs don't help....

Some, and only some, animated PNGs on this wiki are displaying wrong for me, and nothing I can do seems to fix it. It's mostly with the gen 5 animated sprites like this one (also see that file's talk page for further information). The sprite appears very flickery, as though the apng's dispose method is set wrong, though it does display fine if I download it and view in Irfanview. See here for a screenshot of what I am seeing, in case you don't have the same problem. I am using Waterfox 50.1.0, which uses exactly the same rendering engine as Firefox (and the problem did occur when I was using Firefox as well!). Xolroc (talk) 18:09, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

I've been having the same issue for a little while now. I'm using Firefox updated to the latest version. The images worked fine a few months ago. slimey01 20:40, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Probably something to do with a Firefox update, something must've gone wrong. Best to ask the staff of Firefox.--ForceFire 04:24, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Well, if anyone comes up with a solution, please do inform me. I will try to look into it, but I'm unlikely to find anything myself. Xolroc (talk) 04:41, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Registeel's Hitler Salute?

I don't get what's so irrelevant to the trivia point in Registeel's trivia where it talks about it's sprite. I'm just trying to point out the fact that everyone is wrong if they aren't highly educated enough. Anyone could just look at Registeel's DP sprite and be like, "yep. He's hailing Hitler," but a Nazi Salute is what one would do with their Right Arm, where Registeel's sprite is raising the Left Arm, which is a Roman Salute. Can I please get some understanding on why this general fact is so irrelevant? I'm just trying to clear things out. Bulldogs1234869 (talk) 16:51, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

I already explained on your talk page why: the trivia is detailing why its offensive, any other use for the salute is entirely irrelevant. Also, it doesn't matter if it's the left or the right arm, the pose is still offensive to some (plus the fact the the salute has become so ingrained in Nazi imagery, that the origin has become lost).--ForceFire 16:54, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Cast lists

Received cast lists for M19 and XY128 - XY136, do I have your approval to add them?--BigDocFan (talk) 11:01, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Took me a while to see that they were files sent from Ortiz, I'll accept them.--ForceFire 12:19, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Cheers, for some reason they were sent in a different format than the last ones, hoping to receive more from her soon, hope you are well--BigDocFan (talk) 12:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Do I have approval for the other I sent regarding Popplio, Exeggutor, Bergmite, Litten and Rockruff?--BigDocFan (talk) 13:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
That's fine by me.--ForceFire 13:56, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Mass reversion

Could you please be a bit more careful when reverting a large number of edits? A lot of GrammarFreak01's edits that you reverted were perfectly good edits, such as fixing typos or fixing run-on sentences and awkward wording. slimey01 13:08, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Dohga and Ether

Looking at the cast lists, only two characters without their dub name revealed, one being Dohga who is male so I assume Levi is his name with Ether being Cherie--BigDocFan (talk) 13:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Probably good to ask Ortiz for clarification.--ForceFire 14:04, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

CotD History sections

There are a number of CotD articles with a "History" section GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:24, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

The ones that I've checked were added by you, so I doubt it. If you can show me a CotD article that already had a history section that you did not add, then fine. Also, please don't use the section headers to write your comment, use the comment box like it should be used. You should know this already.--ForceFire 04:53, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

How much edits until I can edit my userpage/make pages

Just asking. I want to know. - unsigned comment from Bubblymice (talkcontribs)

Hi Bubblymice. I believe Force Fire is offline at this time of day, so perhaps I can be of assistance to you.
First of all, before even worrying about how to edit userspace, you need to know how to sign a comment on a talk page. This is done by typing ~~~~, the tilde sign. On my keyboard, it's to the left of the number keys on the top row, but other keyboards may have it in other locations. Typing that four tildes gives a signature much like the one at the end of this comment. Please use that when commenting on talk pages as it's easier to track who is saying what.
In regards to your actual question, Force Fire most likely does not know how much you have to edit to gain the ability to edit your userspace. With that said, however, it's important to note that editing userspace is a privilege, not a right. You are required to continue to be helpful to Bulbapedia to even be allowed to edit your userspace. Notice my own personal userspace page; I have had the ability for a long time, and was notorious for always having a userpage redlink, but after a few years finally decided something should be there, so put up what's there. I don't believe I've edited it since, as it's not important and adding all sorts of userspace tags isn't going to help Bulbapedia. So I don't waste my time there. More importantly, however, is the actual userspace policy. I suggest you review it as it gives you this answer: "Your account is not autoconfirmed: a special status is required before you can edit your userpage; this can be automatically earned by editing Bulbapedia's mainspace". You can then head over to the "Autoconfirmed users" page (it's linked here, please follow it) for any questions related to obtaining that status.
Should you have any further questions, please feel free to reply further here. If you do reply, make sure to use colons - that is, : - to indent your reply appropriately. For future concerns, note that it's advised to first contact a Junior Administrator like myself as we are the starting point on the staff hierarchy, and able to answer the most general questions. Questions beyond our scope to answer can then be escalated beyond us to the Administrator level, and so on. We also have direct contact with higher staff and may be able to get an answer for you regardless. Cheers! CycloneGU (talk) 18:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Kiawe's Charizard

Now that Charizard had an important episode is it ready for its own page? It's obvious it will show up again.--Pikablu (talk) 18:19, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Are you going to answer me? I see you editing a lot.--Pikablu (talk) 06:13, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
I am yet to see the recent episode, so I can't judge whether or not it deserves an article.--ForceFire 06:16, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Alright. Please get back to me when you get the chance to watch it. Thank you.--Pikablu (talk) 06:21, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
I don't see how it was its own episode. Yes, we know a bit more about its history, but other than that, it was basically only used as a Ride Pokemon. Playerking95 (talk) 08:06, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Claire voice section coding error

This page is blocked from editing and there's a coding error for her "Voice actresses" section (one extra "="). 20:58, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Bringing a vandal to your attention

Since the recent changes page isn't going to keep it visible under a flood of new edits, I thought I would bring this up here: A user by the name of Poképowder keeps deleting vast swaths of seemingly-random pages and replacing them with something about a "hula revenge party"--this is the second time this has happened. See Special:Contributions/Poképowder. --Felthry (F.K.A. Xolroc) (talk) 21:14, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Never mind. Another administrator blocked the user in question while I was typing this. --Felthry (F.K.A. Xolroc) (talk) 21:15, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


I'm dying to see the Gen. VII sprites on this website. And since I'm unable to upload them, when will they be? --Hamfart

Well, considering that our Gen VI sprites aren't even complete... Honestly, I don't think we should use the models for the sprites. There are still images of each Pokémon available in the game from the Pokédex which I think would be better, such as [2] for Gen VI and [3] for Gen VII. (Not saying we should take from Spriters Resource, but you get the idea.) --Celadonkey 19:03, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Hamfart, they'll be uploaded eventually. Have patience.--ForceFire 03:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Will they be screencaps of the Pokémon inbattle, like we have done in the past for Gen VI, or will it be the Pokédex sprites like I showed above? Because I could help upload the images if I know which. --Celadonkey 13:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Not too sure, but I presume we're getting the in battle sprites.--ForceFire 04:43, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Now that SS036 "The Legend of X, Y, and Z" has been released in English...

...Is it fair to say we can add Zygarde to the trio?

In the episode, Alexa and Sycamore tell the story of Xerneas, Yveltal, and Zygarde, which are written about in a legend called the Chapter of the Stone-Eyed Maiden.

A "Y" symbol on the Chapter of the Stone-Eyed Maiden references Yveltal. An "X" symbol on the Chapter of the Stone-Eyed Maiden references Xerneas. A "Z" symbol on the Chapter of the Stone-Eyed Maiden references Zygarde, which appeared after Xerneas was angered.

After telling the story, Sycamore says, "I believe both Xerneas and Yveltal are incarnations of nature that take care of the land, that is their task and their purpose. And when the natural order is undone, Zygarde appears in order to balance it. These three powerful Pokemon preside over the neverending cycle of life."

I probably explained it poorly, but there you go... --Celadonkey 13:27, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

A few other people have been discussing it on other talk pages and I think it's pretty compelling. --Celadonkey 17:35, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Re: Why did you remove the trivium I added about Ash's Original series outfit in the XY Series trivium?

Hi there, I asked on the XY series talk page and asked if I can add the trivium about Ash's original series outfit not being shown (including flashbacks). I've watched every single XY series episode and found Ash's original series outfit not shown at all in a single episode, not even including flashbacks. How come that trivium needed to be removed from the Trivia page in the XY series? I don't normally have any problems with anyone undoing my edits but I just don't understand why that part of the trivium needed to be removed and I was never trying to edit war. Can you please let me know why that part of the trivium I added needed to be removed even though it was true? Thank you. PokeAmour (talk) 01:26, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Because it's insignificant. Ash's original outfit should not be expected to make an appearance.--ForceFire 04:50, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Insignificant? What do you mean? I don't get it, it's appeared at least once in every other series (whether in flashbacks or not) before the XY series. PokeAmour (talk) 06:15, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
The second sentence of my response.--ForceFire 06:35, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
Well I don't really get it, but I don't think it makes sense for it to be not notable. If the XY series does not have Ash's original series design and every other series so far has it even in flashbacks it would make sense to note it. If it shouldn't be expected to make an appearance, then how come in every other series besides this one it does make an appearance? That clearly doesn't make any sense for it not to be noted in this series. Noting it in this series just makes this point special in this series.PokeAmour (talk) 01:49, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Just because it appeared in other series in some way or another, doesn't mean it has to appear (in the XY series). There shouldn't be any expectations for it to appear.--ForceFire 03:44, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Well I don't understand why it was mentioned on Earlier it was mentioned and it stayed there for awhile. If it was allowed on that wiki, then why can't it be on this one? I'm quite confused. PokeAmour (talk) 04:17, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Just because it was mentioned there doesn't mean it gets to be mentioned here. We have difference rules and approaches, we're not one and the same.--ForceFire 04:36, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Lillie's Vulpix

Can someone please delete the Lillie's Vulpix page? The episode where she gets it hasn't been shown yet (whether it's in the next or not). I've already been preparing one anyway for when the episode comes up.-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 18:40, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind, it was moved to the user space.-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 19:29, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
For future reference, the proper way to go about doing this is to add the {{delete}} template to the page in question. --Felthry (talk) 22:30, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Welcome Template

Sorry! Was unaware of that. Cheers! -Uncleben85 (talk) 06:54, 5 February 2017 (UTC)


Hey ForceFire,what exactly counts as "trivia"? I point things out like how serene grace can only be obtained by Gen 5 pokemon as a non-hidden ability, or how some other small thing is trivia, but every time it tends to get deleted. PlatinumPokenut (talk) 04:12, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

User:Force Fire/Trivia Policy.--ForceFire 04:18, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

Move GIFs

Hey ForceFire, you're an admin or some other high rank, right? So do you think we should put GIFs of moves where the current images are? You know, so readers can see what it looks like in battle. PlatinumPokenut (talk) 23:59, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Not ForceFire, but there are already animated pictures there. They're animated pngs. --Celadonkey 00:09, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
The images will be updated when we get to it, have patience. And your signature goes after your comment, not before it.--ForceFire 04:40, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

EP028 and Voltorb

Voltorb isn't a painting. It is a physical Voltorb that has been painted. It's the episode that James and Jessie have created a salon and are painting/putting makeup on Pokémon. - unsigned comment from JamesyWamesy (talkcontribs)

Ah, okay. Haven't seen the episode in a long time and was just going by your edit summary. My apologies.--ForceFire 06:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Lycanroc image

Was thinking this image featuring both forms of Lycanroc could be used on the page for in the anime (talk) 13:18, 23 February 2017 (UTC)


Sorry about the Fletchinder trivia - I forgot that Crabominable had an I. --Celadonkey 16:52, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

No problem.--ForceFire 16:53, 28 February 2017 (UTC)


After reviewing your policies, I have a few questions.

  • Why is the section called "Trivia" if it is not intended to contain obscure, minor details? If the concern is that the section would become cluttered with information or otherwsie become more difficult to read, perhaps consider dividing the section as clearly on the page as you've divided it in your policy.
  • How is it possible for one person (or a small group of people) to remove information from a "trivia" section on the grounds that it "isn't interesting/notable"? Your policy acknowledges that different details are interesting to different people, so "notability" seems like a flimsy and ill-defined basis for considering what trivia is and is not allowed; this holds true in spite of your efforts to specify some parameters. Again, maybe "Trivia" is not an appropriate name for the section if this is how its content is determined.
  • Inconsistency in notability. How is my trivia on legendary stat distribution less notable than Suicune being the only legendary beast that doesn't have a unique Effort Value yield? Being slightly less notable than two other Pokemon doesn't seem very notable to me. Or is it simply a submission that has fallen below the radar despite EpicDeino's open invitation to remove it if it isn't notable (13 August 2016)?

Anyway, this is the part where I explain why I think my trivia complies with your policy (aside from failing to submit it to the discussion section first, which won't happen again now that I've read the could-be-more-prominently-displayed policy).

  • My trivia identify 2 stat combinations that are unique throughout the entire Pokedex and that are each applied exclusively to Legendary Pokemon across different gens (1-2 and 4-5). This makes it more notable than the fact that most sets of Legendaries do the same thing but only with their immediately-obvious counterparts from their own generation (it's also more notable than other forms of obviously-related Pokemon such as the Eeveelutions). The trivia is even more compelling in the case of gens 4-5, as the affected Pokemon are also all dual-typed Dragons that represent a fundamental force/trait/concept in the universe and all 5 of these dragons are featured on the cover of a main-series game. Altogether, I feel that this trivia is more closely related in nature to your "Flame Pokemon" example than to your understandable adherence to what makes a "unique/notable stat".
  • Would you find this trivia more appropriate if I structured it and the other relationships I described above in the same way as the Noibat/Zubat relationship?

As a side note, I didn't add this trivia indiscriminately simply because it's something I noticed. The same process that revealed this relationship also revealed that Gloom and Porygon have the exact same stats except for swapped HP/Attack (as but one example), but I felt those didn't strike the right convergence of interesting, not-immediately-obvious and logical-in-hindsight. Areku (talk) 20:11, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

(Not to start anything but personally I absolutely agree here and honestly - the exact Gloom/Porygon thing mentioned is what I would consider most Trivia worthy. Because it is an absolutely useless, absolutely obscure information unless you were looking for it and that's what a trivium should be. The Trivia category is definitely one I read most often here and facts like that are the reason I do it. Otherwise there's a lot of Trivia content that's not really interesting (the Suicune's EV yield is a great example) and there should be a better system for this. Also regarding the way the Trivia Policy is hidden, I can't even find it on your userpage.) KingisNitro (talk) 21:07, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
  • It's called the trivia section because it's what it is, a section for trivia. Not sure what you mean by splitting the trivia section up, if you're njot referring to the "origin"/"Name origin"/etc, I don't think it's necessary to split them up any further. And my trivia policy doesn't split up anything.
  • Notability is subjective. The policy is to boil down what is and isn't notable to get rid of any subjective opinions, i.e. a rule that everyone can agree on (like unique types being agreed as notable site wide). There are of course no wrong or right opinion, but anything on the notable or unnotable sections of that policy are generally things that are agreed to be notable site wide. Smaller things are just a case by case basis.
  • Your trivia was removed because it was a tie for a "normal" base stat and was too specific (I'll explain later when I get through the other part of this point). The Suicune trivia is not notable and should be removed, as one out of three is too small of a group to be notable. Simply put, the Suicune trivia wasn't notable and did not get removed because it was most likely overlooked.
  • The trivia you proposed was too specific, at least the way you worded it. Only ties for the highest' or lowest base stat total are notable, everything in between is not. We do this so not to clutter the trivia section with other ties for non highest/lowest base stat totals. And the part about their individual base stat being different is too specific, it does not matter that their individual base stats are different. It's too minor and widespread to note, as every other Pokémon with shared base stat total have different base stat values.
  • As for the legendaries having the same base stat total as their counterpart or dragon legendaries having the same base stat total because their mascot Pokémon is just too obvious. Counterparts are clearly going to have similar stats.
  • Category trivia is a different thing, it's not restricted to a set of things, like how there are 18 types, so it's restricted to that number. CAtegory is not restricted to a set number of words and they (Nintendo) could use a whole range of words. The Zubat/Noibat trivia is a comparison trivia, again different. Although the mention of them having similar base stat total with different base stat values should be removed as per my reasoning earlier.
  • I initially thought you meant the Porygon/Gloom thing was on their pages. But again, it's too minor, specific, and widespread. Many Pokémon with the same base stat total have different individual base stat.
  • @KingIsNitro, it's on my userpage in the infobox, under subpages.--ForceFire 05:35, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Your policy very clearly divides trivia into 7 different categories. You even have a template at the bottom of the page that leads to separate hyperlinks describing each in greater detail. One of my proposals is less restrictive "notability" criteria for trivia entries, and if any given trivia section becomes too large or otherwise difficult to read, split it up according to these categories rather than deleting things you personally don't find "notable".
  • I understand that some measures must be taken to prevent utterly banal trivia from rendering the section unreadable, but I feel that a strictly literal interpretation of your current policy is too restrictive. Case in point: might as well delete Meganium's entire trivia section.
  • Some portions of your explanation convey a lack of understanding of my submission. I'm not saying it's notable that these Pokemon have the same base stat total, I'm saying they have the same individual stats just in a different order. That they would have the same total is one obvious consequence and is not the focus of the trivia.
  • I also think you are overestimating how common this type of relationship is. Currently, only 109 Pokemon have this type of relationship; just 48 after removing the very obvious cases where all Pokemon sharing a common stat spread are related through evolution (Eeveelutions, Gardevoir/Gallade etc) or are immediately adjacent in the Pokedex (the Pan/Simi monkeys, Legendary clusters made only from Pokemon of 1 gen etc). For comparison, 77 Pokemon have unique base stat totals. Of these remaining 48, the Gen 4-5 Box Dragons form the most noteworthy cluster, and many of the more-apparent ones (Meganium/Venusaur, Drampa/Turtonator etc) already contain this information in their trivia sections, and the relationship between Hoppip/Fomantis could give the latter its first trivia entry.
  • I contend that this type of relationship is more worthy of an entry in a Pokemon's trivia section than "it has the highest HP of a Steel type"; the latter can quickly be identified by any curious party by exploring List of Pokémon by base stats (Generation VII-present). What I'm describing is something that can't be revealed at a glance on such an already-noteworthy page.
  • I'm honestly quite baffled that your approach was to delete that relationship from the Zubat/Noibat connection; now it's just "these are two Pokemon that resemble the same animal and have a common ability". You made the trivia less notable than before. Should I add similar "trivia" for all of the bird-like Pokemon with Keen Eye?
  • You say that it's obvious that some counterparts would have stats in common. This is certainly true, but it only goes so far. Do you consider Mewtwo and Ho-Oh to be counterparts? Did you know that Giratina/Reshiram had the same stats before I brought it up? And if you find the latter unworthy because it's still "too obvious", this suggests that you feel Porygon/Gloom would be worthy because it's so random, but you reject that as well. Honestly, it sounds like you're contradicting yourself in an effort to have it both ways.
  • I'm going to be frank: Your current rigid approach to trivia entries feels like it flies in the face of what makes a trivia section interesting. One of the most interesting things about the Pokemon franchise is the complex interrelationships between Pokemon species, and your current system of "notability" actively restrains the exploration of such relationships. Your trivia policy feels decidedly anti-trivia and needs either significant revision or less draconian application. Areku (talk) 19:23, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Oh, those aren't what you think they are. Those split up the type of trivia. So "Species" are trivia that go on the individual species page, "anime" are trivia that go on the anime page, so on so forth. The trivia section on of itself does not need to be split off, we have (very) large trivia sections (Pikachu comes to my head). The length of trivia sections is a non issue, it's the unnotable content within the trivia the are an issue.
  • Most of the notable or unnotable things on that page were gathered from the trivia and opinions of the time (which was... 2010, I believe), I looked around to see what trivia was considered notable and unnotable by looking at disussions, history revisions, and what trivia was consistently present among pages - hence "agreed upon site-wide". Notability is ever-changing as new opinions come up, which is why it's still in the userspace - it's something that's going to be updated constantly until staff and users alike can come to an agreeable conclusion. As for the Meganium trivia, many pages have trivia that would be unnotable, they're never changed or removed because no one has gotten around to doing so.
  • 48 is still quite a large number, and trying to specify specific grouping of Pokémon that are related in one way or another makes it too obvious. Again, notability is subjective and this is my opinion. Many Pokémon have similar stats but different individual values, 48 or 109 by your count, so it's nothing special and it doesn't mean much. It may be common, but it's too common, making it too obvious. Of the Pokémon that you've listed in the latter half of your argument, Turtonator/Drampa are the only one that should mention stat differences - only because it's not the point of the trivia. The point of their trivia is to explain how and why they can be considered counterparts. Meganium/Venusaur and Hoppip/Fomantis shouldn't have it as they're not counterparts.
  • "Highest HP of a Steel type" is basic, to the point, and not overtly specific. It is also a fact. Yes, one can see that by looking at another page, but that's one step too many when you can just go to the article of the Pokémon without having to surf through a list. Yes, the trivia you proposed is obscure, but it's too obscure and minor.
  • Eh, I'm okay with it being removed, but decided to keep it to see if someone else thought it had become unnotable.
  • Mewtwo/Ho-oh and Giratina/Reshiram are legendaries, not counterparts. It's obvious that a specific grouping of Pokémon are going to have similar stats. Gloom/Porygon are just two random Pokémon that have similar stats and fall into the "many other Pokémon have similar stats" rule.
  • Sometimes, these complex relationships are just too obvious too identify because the parties of this complex relationship are part of a specific grouping, and as I've said before, it's obvious that legendaries are going to have similar stats.
  • As I mentioned earlier, the trivia policy is ever changing, it's going to be updated constantly until users and staff can come to an agreeable conclusion. So if you have a proposal for trivia notability, you can always bring it up and the staff will make a decision. Stat trivia have been discussed before, back in 2012, and I believe that the decision to make clear cut stat trivia (i.e. highest/lowest stat) the only thing notable. I may have to go back and look, or revisit stat trivia as a whole, as that decision was made five years ago and opinions can change.--ForceFire 05:52, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


Thanks for the advice; I couldn't find any rules or guidelines on hyperlinks, so I was stumped on what to link and what not to link.--RedHailfire (talk) 16:26, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

More Cast lists

Received more cast lists from Lisa Ortiz for Sun and Moon, sent you screenshots from the email, do I have approval--BigDocFan (talk) 13:29, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Looks to me like they are the cast lists for SM002 and SM003.--BigDocFan (talk) 13:38, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Those are fine by me. Feel free to add them in.--ForceFire 15:36, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Is April Fools Day vandalism okay here?

Some wikis like ssbwiki allow vandalism on April 1st. What about this site? - unsigned comment from Unowninator (talkcontribs)

By normal users? No. The staff usually plan an April Fools prank, but we don't allow normal users to do so.--ForceFire 04:16, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Damn. Okay well, thanks for answering. Unowninator (talk) 04:23, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Meyer's Blaziken

Just wondering if it was about time that Meyer's Blaziken received a page of its own because it was featured a lot--BigDocFan (talk) 16:27, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Apologies for the late reply. I'll bring it up with the other staff members to see what they think of it.--ForceFire 04:05, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Lillie Pokemon Template

Can the template for Lillie's Pokemon be made now? She has two Pokemon (Shiron and Nebby) that meet the requirement you wanted.--Rahl (talk) 23:22, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Could you please get back to me on this?--Rahl (talk) 14:46, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
I'll bring it up with the other staff member for consideration.--ForceFire 03:35, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Poké Ride on anime trainer templates

Apparently you've made the decsion that ride Pokemon should not go on the Ash's Pokémon template, which is fine; mI'm not going to argue that either way. However I'd like to point out that the templates for Mallow, Kiawe and the other Sun and Moon characters have Poké Ride Pokémon on their templates. Obviously, it has to be one way or the other so I'm here asking for a definative answer. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 13:33, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

This is something we're discussing, in tandem with other things. I'll give them a nudge about where we stand on this.--ForceFire 03:35, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

The 3rd Sun & Moon TCG Expansion

If it's okay with you, I have made a page about To Have Seen The Battle Rainbow/Darkness That Consumes Light. There was a picture with the card packs, with one featuring Ho-Oh, the other featuring Necrozma. It also shows the release date for its debut in Japan, along with the number 150. I'm not sure if that's the total amount of the cards in the set.

Also, I saw said picture online.Hamfart 17:12, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

FWIW, Hamfart, you would probably be better served by discussing TCG-related things with Maverick Nate, as he's our Head of TCG and therefore has final say on these kinds of things. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Quick question

Just curious, do you happen to have a copy of the emails I sent you with screenshots of the cast for M18 and XY092?--BigDocFan (talk) 16:05, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I still have them. Do you need them?--ForceFire 03:35, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
I do, Would you mind sending them to me, having lost the email I received them with, I like to keep copies--BigDocFan (talk) 06:02, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
It appears I'm unable to send you an email. Are you aware of the public bulbagarden discord, btw? I'm on there most of the time and you can send me a private message there if you want a quicker response.--ForceFire 07:43, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Any chance of you PMing it to me through the forums here on Bulbapedia?--BigDocFan (talk) 14:49, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
If you jave an account on the forums, I can do that as well.--ForceFire 14:50, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
For some reason I am unable to start a conversation with you, I have the same account name on the forums as I do on here--BigDocFan (talk) 14:54, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
I've sent it.--ForceFire 15:05, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, hope to receive more cast lists soon--BigDocFan (talk) 15:09, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


Why is it unneeded?Horton Hears a murder (talk) 14:50, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


It not ironic tht corsla ca div as div is a mov an pokemon ca div without knwin th mve in othr meda.Horton Hears a murder (talk) 14:53, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


Wht similar is constelTION TO TAUROS?Horton Hears a murder (talk) 15:08, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring

Pls stp reverting tht and "Do not misrepresent rumors, misconceptions or opinions as fact"Horton Hears a murder (talk) 15:14, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Spritebox/7 should be made by now.

I'm just throwing it out there, since sprites like Spr 7s 103A.png and Spr 7s 745.png have been uploaded. When will it be made?--Hamfart 13:57, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

I second this - every sprite for every Pokémon and form, back and front, regular and shiny, has been uploaded (I think that's more than even Gen VI can say, actually), and several users have made their own version of Spritebox/7 templates. --Celadonkey 15:32, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I once made one, but ForceFire deleted it, due to me not being a member of the Bulbapedia Staff.--Hamfart 20:47, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
That reminds me. Should I make one for Zygarde, if it's okay?--Hamfart 15:39, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Hamfart, Celadonkey, the sprite boxes will be made when it gets made, have patience.--ForceFire 03:32, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, but I hesitated on Minior's page. I couldn't take it!--Hamfart 16:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
If you are impatient and "can't handle it", go find something else to do while the staff gets the template up. Don't be brash and just make the changes. If I see you being impatient again, I won't be so lenient.--ForceFire 02:23, 25 April 2017 (UTC)


Got a screenshot from First Catch in Alola, Ketchum-style! of Who's that Pokemon [url=][img]WTP_SM004.png[/img][/url]--BigDocFan (talk) 09:34, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 14:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, with the UK getting 4 new episodes next week, 3 before Canada I may screenshot from Iplayer and post it here for you to add--BigDocFan (talk) 15:02, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Gladion's page

About the edit I have made, you said that just because he was seen holding a Cleffa doesn't mean it is his. However on Lillie's page, it is seen that she was holding a Lillipup as well as the description saying that is may not even be hers. To maintain consistency should Lillie's page be modified or should the description for Gladion be re-added under "Status Unknown"? Nikuriku (talk) 02:18, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

It should be removed from Lillie's page as well.--ForceFire 04:52, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I'd like to upload a couple of images.

Hey there! I'm adding a bunch of so far undocumented information to the Character encoding in Generation III page, and there are a few characters that can't be represented with Unicode. I figured I'd upload the characters (15 tiny ~8x16 PNGs) to the Archives, as has already been done for a few, but as it turns out I can't upload images since I'm not auto-confirmed on the archives. Seeing as I'm auto-confirmed here, though, is there perhaps a way to arrange so I can upload them and add them to the article? Cheers. LpSamuelm (talk) 16:51, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Images for Bulbapedia

Screenshots several images from M19 for possible use on Bulbapedia, any chance you could convert them please? - unsigned comment from BigDocFan (talkcontribs)

Where would these images be used, first of all.--ForceFire 11:54, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Was thinking they could be used in Nebel Plateau to replace the Espurr, Amaura, Kirlia, Mincinno and Wormadam as they use the customary image.--BigDocFan (talk) 12:02, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Ah, I see. The images are pretty small, is there a way you can make them bigger (preferably the same size as the any other anime picture).--ForceFire 12:13, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
No wait, never mind.--ForceFire 12:15, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Got a screenshot of WTP for SS036 here, [url=][img]SS037_WTP.png[/img][/url]--BigDocFan (talk) 20:05, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Who's That Pokemon Screenshots

With the UK getting episodes before Canada, thought I would post screenshots of Who's that Pokemon here for you (talk) 08:21, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Sm025 moves

So explain to me why the totem Pokemon doesn't have Bite or Hyper Beam? I can see that you're following the "no one said anything despite it being obvious so we are just going to ignore it" logic but you have a page that even says Hyper Beam is not to be questioned. Do the rules just not exist for admins? We even saw Bite not even 5 episodes ago and it worked just the same as this time. Isn't the wiki to add and contribute information, not shun it because its not spoon feed to us?--Pikablu (talk) 12:24, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Bite could've been Crunch... it's not that hard. The "Hyper Beam" didn't look like Hyper Beam, yellow-ish beam rather than a red or orange beam, it could've been any other beam moves. Also, we send messages to the talk pages of the users that added the information, not on the talk page of the article in dispute. Sending the message directly to the user is more effective, even if there's a good chance that they're not going to read it.--ForceFire 12:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

So we really aren't going to say it's Hyper Beam because the move was a little lighter than you want it? This site is going to end up missing so much information because of views like this.--Pikablu (talk) 13:50, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

It does not match the previous animation, so no. Unless Hyper Beam gets called out in a future episode and it shares that exact animation and color, we'll assume Hyper Beam's animation has the same as the previous series.--ForceFire 14:11, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Your reverted edit on my edit to necrozma's trivia

I think your given reason is invalid, as Necrozma is stated to resemble the Ultra Beasts and appears to have some kind of relationship with them. Necrozma also appears to have some kind of relationship with the Cosmog line, and furthermore, this common trait cannot be a simple coincidence, as there are not that many prime numbers and most Pokemon have base stats that are not prime, with many (particularly Pokemon with BSTs of 600 and 680) having only base stats in multiples of 5, and most Pokemon learning level-up moves at non-prime levels (Cosmog and Cosmoem even evolve at prime number levels, so that line is definitely associated with prime numbers). Why is a non-coincidental common trait with a group of Pokemon it resembles and is somehow related to not notable? (it's also an interesting trait) PartHunter (talk) 15:10, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

It's not a matter of whether they share the trait or why (which is speculation), it's a matter of different standards of notability on group pages and species pages. The trivium exists on the Ultra Beast page because it is describing a trait that the whole group shares (and therefore, the standard of not unique=not notable does not apply, because notability on the group page isn't affected by whether other Pokemon outside the group also share the trait). On individual species pages, the standard of not unique=not notable does apply, so it does not belong on Necrozma, Solgaleo, or wherever else you want to put it. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:27, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
FYI, Force Fire (and PartHunter), we've had this discussion with Crystal Talian (and another at Solgaleo) before. (I'll give Force Fire some time to respond before possibly reacting/replying to what Pumpkinking said.) Nescientist (talk) 18:38, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Exactly what Pumpkinking said. Whether Necrozma and the cosmos are Ultra Beast is entirely speculation. It's only implied/stated, not confirmed 100% that they are Ultra Beast, so as far as we're concerned, the five are not Ultra Beast. I can easily see this being a case of Zygarde/Kyurem/Giratina, all the hints are there, but we want the game/anime/whatever to actually confirm it. I know it sounds like we want the info to be spoon fed to us, but it's better to be safe than sorry.--ForceFire 04:18, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
I feel like I'm investing too much here, but I honestly believe you're missing the fundamental point, Force Fire (and Pumpkinking, and maybe PartHunter as well?), and that you're arguing different things. Maybe, let me create an analogeous problem, then you might unterstand my concern:
Different people are saying: "This woman looks a lot like a Kardashian", and some of them provide arguments. (Just imagine we believe being Kardashian, or looking like them, is notable.) As I said, I believe you're arguing different things: you're not saying "I don't think so/I don't see it", but you're instead saying "There's no confirmation she's a Kardashian", "She's not part of a group", or even "I agree, but we're not sure she's a Kardashian". My point is: she looks like a Kardashian either way (this), and I think that's notable. Nescientist (talk) 19:33, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Eh, I have a lot of counterarguments that I'm not even sure are worth bringing up, so let me just back up to before the UBs got involved and ask one thing: is this prime-number thing notable in and of itself? I don't think it is. Bringing the UBs into the debate turns it into an argument over what constitutes proof that they look enough like UBs, but does it even matter whether they look like them at all? To my knowledge, we don't note on any other Pokemon or group pages when they learn moves at a certain pattern of levels, like every 5th level or alternating between every 7th and 11th levels. What makes prime numbers notable when those aren't? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:09, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes... Prime numbers are notable. They're prime numbers. They have their own name... They are practically special by definition.
Every 5 or 7 or 11 levels are easy patterns and don't deserve a name or anything. They don't deserve noting. If some group followed the Fibonacci sequence, that'd be notable too. These things take some particular effort, as opposed to plug-and-play with easy concepts and random variables. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:27, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
Force Fire (or any staff), could you please take action regarding Pumpkinking's content removal without discussion/mid-discussion, which is blatantly (and repeatedly) disregarding other opinion? Thanks.
Regarding what you wrote here, Pumpkingking: My opinion hasn't changed, I think it's notable. Nescientist (talk) 19:07, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
If you want to restore it, restore what was originally there. I won't dispute that. The bad version that someone added later was... just blatantly bad, I don't think anyone can argue with that, and I have no qualms about removing it. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:11, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
As Pumpkinking has just restored the content in question, you may refrain from taking action.
Pumpkinking, I would be much at ease if I knew that you would refrain from such behavior in the future, and from pretending it was covered by the be bold principle. Thanks for restoring it, anyway. Nescientist (talk) 19:52, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
I don't see what you have such a big problem with, and I find your tone a bit patronizing. That is what the be bold principle is: that it's better to act and potentially be reverted than to get bogged down in a bunch of bureaucratic talk pages. (That is, unless the action is exclusive to the staff, like page moves and terminology changes.) Had someone just reverted me in the first place instead of writing a new, badly-written version, I would have had no objection. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:09, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
The prime number trivia is notable as it is shared by a very specific set of Pokémon rather than just a bunch of random Pokémon. That's why it's on the Ultra Beast page.
Nescientist, you can't say something is an Ultra Beast because it looks... well, what is an Ultra meant to look like specifically? The current Ultra Beast look like standard Pokémon in my opinion. I see where you're going with the analogy... but it's weak, since the monstrous beings looks like all the other monstrous beings. Again, we want Game Freak to say whether Necrozma and the cosmos are Ultra Beasts, just like how they confirmed that the Guardian Deities are legendary.--ForceFire 05:49, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I wasn't referring to the physical appearance of (potential) Ultra Beasts at all. I was just referring to how they share prime numbers.
As another illustration: Just imagine Kangaskhan and Stunfisk learn their moves at Fibonacci sequence levels. I believe that alone might be trivia-worthy, even though they're clearly not a single Pokémon and unrelated in virtually any other way. Because it's interesting, obviously intended (for whatever reason), easy to miss.
And now imagine it wasn't Kangaskhan and Stunfisk, but the Machop and Abra lines. I believe then, it is more trivia-worthy, because they are related, somehow. Nevertheless, it certainly wouldn't prove they're official counterparts.
To avoid misunderstanding: I do not want to convince you that all those Pokémon definitely are Ultra Beasts (because I do not know either). I believe the wording PartHunter introduced at Necrozma is completely innocuous. People can draw their own conclusions (if they're presented what is easy to miss).
(And Pumpkinking, I have zero interest to sound patronizing, even less directed at you. I also don't have "such a big problem", and I do encourage you to be bold. However, you removed it despite being very well aware others argued for the opposite, without discussion; and that's what I didn't like at all.) Nescientist (talk) 15:54, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Regarding the removal of my trivia edit

I'm aware that the act of flying doesn't count as the HM move but in EP131, Ash tells his Charizard to use its "Fly attack" (which it never used due to circumstances) as well as the Ash's Charizard page listing Fly as one of it's official moves. Wouldn't that technically make Charizard the first of Ash's Pokemon to KNOW an HM move which I stated before? I also did specify that it KNEW the move but just simply didn't USE it which still makes Ash's Grotle the first of his Pokemon to use an HM move. - unsigned comment from Nikuriku (talkcontribs)

There's a possibility that Charizard doesn't actually know the move Fly. As ridiculous as it sounds, you have to consider that possibility.--ForceFire 03:50, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Electabuzz/Magmar Moveset Thingy

I was trying to clarify the bit of Electabuzz trivia about learning moves at the same level as Magmar since Gen V, with Fire/Thunder Punch as an example. You then removed the "for example" part... It's just that now, to me anyway, it's saying that the extent of their "similar movesets" is the fact they both learn elemental punches... at some point... which is hardly "similar movesets." I wanted to convey the fact that, at every level one of them learns a move, the other also learns a move (usually a similar one: punches at 29, Discharge/Lava Plume at 36, both of which are moves that damage allies as well as opponents in multi battles, then a status move at 42...). I'd like some discussion before I just go back and potentially start an edit war. Masternachos (talk) 16:55, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

I've tried to create a compromise. I agree with Force Fire that the example was unnecessary, but you're right that his edit was confusing. I've changed it to just say they often learn similar moves at the same level, which I think most readers will be able to understand without an example. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:20, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Thanks! Masternachos (talk) 21:24, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
You said they learned the moves at different level between games and used one of the levels from one of the games as an example, which I thought was a bit redundant since "learns similar moves at similar levels" was fine enough as it is. I didn't remove the moves as I didn't think about that, but I don't mind its removal as well.--ForceFire 03:50, 12 May 2017 (UTC)


Hi, I was wondering if Serena can be listed as a Coordinator in her profile? We haven't seen her actually compete in Contests, but she was shown arriving in the Hoenn region. Does it still count?-- --Handmaiden 101 (tAlk) 16:55, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

No. Until we actually see her compete in contests, she is not a coordinator, regardless of it being the whole point she's in Hoenn.--ForceFire 03:32, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
That's total BS. We did not see her changing her mind about competing in Contests. She definitely went to Hoenn to compete in them. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:45, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I have to apologize for my participation in this edit war. At first I was just trying to return things to the staff-approved version, then it occurred to me that GrammarFreak would be banned for more time for each revert and from then on I was half-trying to provoke them. But now that it's well past a dozen back-and-forths, I'm looking at the history tab and realizing that was a bad decision. I have to apologize for my lapse in judgment. I made a mistake in participating. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:02, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Pumpkinking, for my part, I have seen you in general being helpful around the Wiki and here trying to aid in enforcing the decision of a senior administrator. I would be willing to let that slide for you thus for reasons I won't get into here.
GrammarFreak01, you need to understand something. We have not seen Serena since her arrival in Hoenn. While it's very likely she will appear in contests there, we have not seen anything confirming it, and until we do, we cannot say what she's up to. It's like when you go to court to sue someone for damages; you have to prove, in some way, that you have suffered such that damages ought to be awarded to you. This could be something like not receiving rent for an agreement with a rentor for your place, or something simpler like a car accident where the other party is at fault for damages to your vehicle. With no evidence of damages, you get no reward. Similarly here, with no proof that Serena has entered contests, she is not considered a coordinator. If there is later a side episode (as sometimes happens with retired cnaracters from the main anime) where she's seen competing, or if she appears in the main series now on an episode (this has happened in Sinnoh and Unova, in fact), then we may get some answer to this. Until then, she is not a coordinator in our eyes. Force Fire is absolutely correct in his choice here. CycloneGU (talk) 06:17, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
That is absolute nonsense! Why would Serena give up on being a Coordinator when she was clearly devoted to following Palermo's advice and going to Hoenn to compete in them?! What other reason would she have in going to Hoenn?! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:21, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
You're thinking too much into it GrammarFreak. Yes, she went to Hoenn to compete in contests. But that doesn't mean she's actually competing in contests at this moment. If a friend of mine said he was going to the US to meet the president and sends me a picture of him at JFK airport, I'll believe he's in the US but not that he has met the president, because he hasn't shown proof that he has met the president. Same here, until the anime shows Serena competing in contests, she is not a coordinator and is just in Hoenn.--ForceFire 09:48, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


Why was that user blocked and what does "Your shoe's untied mean"? - unsigned comment from Tor (talkcontribs)

I think it's a joke reason. (Not sure why they do it though) Unowninator?! (talk) 15:30, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Ultradeadpool was most likely a troll/vandal.--ForceFire 15:38, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


Why did you vandalise the Totem Pokemon page by deleting a known move? Playerking95 (talk) 08:57, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Why are you assuming moves by basing it off other Pokémon with known moves? You know well enough not to assume. Just because it looked similar to Gumshoos using Bite, doesn't mean that it is Bite. It could've been any of the other biting moves.--ForceFire 08:58, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Because an admin said that if it at least looks similar to a move than we can say it is that move? By that logic, we didn't know Kiawe's Turtonator used Flamethrower till SM015 or that Yungoos used Bite, because it's name wasn't stated. Why can Yungoos and Gumshoos be listed and Raticate can't be, even though they look EXACTLY the same? That doesn't make any sense. Playerking95 (talk) 09:12, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Also, you do know I'm talking about the Yungoos from SM009 and not SM001, right? I'm talking about when it made that white teeth-shaped aura appear, like how Rockruff used it in SM023 on James's Mareanie and how Raticate used in SM025. Playerking95 (talk) 09:18, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
If the move has a unique animation, then yes we can assume moves. Bite does not have a unique animation. Those are separate instances. Just because one Pokémon used a move that was called out, it doesn't count for all of them. It's a case by case thing. "Oh, but why would it be separate moves if they all used the same animation?" Because the writers and animators can just do that. We can't guess what they're going to do, they might come up with one animation for Stone Edge for one episode and change the animation in the next episode. We cannot assume. We cannot guess. Doing so is prone for error.--ForceFire 09:26, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
How is a Pokemon creating an aura like set of teeth in the air not unique and if it's case by case basis, why is Gumshoos listed, since it wasn't called out in SM009? Playerking95 (talk) 09:30, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Because it could've been any of the other biting moves (Crunch, Super Fang, Hyper Fang, etc.. exists you know).--ForceFire 09:36, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Uh, yeah. I'm aware, you don't have to be condescending and it still doesn't explain why Gumshoos is listed as having used that. Playerking95 (talk) 09:42, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Gumshoos and Yungoos WERE confirmed to use Bite by Officer Jenny. I don't understand you; you are the whole reason this 'don't assume the move' thing ever came to be. Why is Force Fire having to explain this to you when you were the one who brought it to attention in the first place. It's esspecually odd because this case demonstrates you were right more than any other case you've argued about. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 09:47, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Oh, so Jenny called it out, been a while since I've watched the episode. Which begs the question, have you seen the episode Playerking, because surely if you were that adamant you would've went back and checked to see it it was called out.--ForceFire 09:49, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
So I've re-watched the episode in both English in Japanese (in the Japanese case, I tried to hear the Japanese name for Bite), and Jenny didn't say that Gumshoos and Yungoos used Bite in neither dub. Note that I skipped scenes and only watched scenes that had Jenny in them.--ForceFire 10:02, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
This was confirmed in the extra Poképroblem scene where Jenny coninved Gumshoos to join her, I believe. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 10:09, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
@05308: Um, no, I'm not the reason any for this don't assume thing, I'm just following the rules of the website, which I've said time and time again, so please learn to read what I've posted carefully and no, Jenny did not call out Bite. Kamitsuku was never called out by her and I don't know why you're saying she is and yes @ForceFire, I did watch the episode. I wouldn't be saying this if I didn't. So either Gumshoos should be removed from having used Bite or Raticate should be added. There shouldn't be any room for double standards. Edit: And no, it wasn't confirmed in the Poke Problem. Jenny. Never. Said. Kamitsuku. She said Maeba no Surudoi.Playerking95 (talk) 10:18, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
She didn't say it in the PokéProblem as well.--ForceFire 10:21, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

@Force Fire, it was my understanding that she said something like 'I was really impressed by your Bite' but I do not read or speak Japanesse nor was it I who originally added Bite to Gumshoos's page. I'm also not in any way in charge so if you've found that we cannot confirm the move was Bite- you know what you must do.

@PlayerKing, I knew I would regret even getting involved. I do not speak Japanesse, I don't know what they are saying. I did not add Bite to the page and I am only relaying the reason given by whoever it was that confirmed Bite. As you'd expect, there was dispute at the time of that episode and I thought it had been resolved when somone confirmed Jenny mentioned Bite. I do not decide these things and honestly, I don't care anymore because the amount of times I've come to blows with you specfically over this issue resembles quite a distastful relationship for two people who have no idea where the other lives, how old they are and even if they are a boy or a girl.

Though I would remind you that you DID start all this back around the time of XY071 regarding a Pangoro's Slash attack (Or whatever scratching move it could have been.) Since then, and let me stress that this has been going on for years, myself and a handful of other users have clashed with you ovcer the same issue. Only since then have Pokémon used moves in the anime and we've left them completely undocumented. Undocumented when litterally nobody else ever disputed that that Pangoro used Slash. I tried making a page so that these 'unidentifiable' moves could be at least listed somwhere; User:05308/Unidentifiable Moves in the Anime, but you've never been intrested in solving the problem, just shouting about them. Now search the pages for Bite, Slash, Tackle etc, there are litterally hundreds of moves (before XY071) that were never explicitly confirmed but are documented anyway because people don't care as much about a Thunderbolt possibly being a Thundershock as they do when neither is listed. Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 10:56, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

One of your pages

On your list of anime Pokemon by capture page, I saw that under Krokorok it says that it had lost "a duet against Pikachu". Is it meant to be duel or is it truly duet. Also another thing under Ash's Totodile of interest is that if one were to freeze frame the episode, it was Ash's Lure ball that hit but I'm not sure if that is significant to the writing of that page. Also in SM012 it states that team rocket defeats Ash fairly "for the first time since the original series". Are there original series episodes that prove that? If not then could that lines be taken out please?Nikuriku (talk) 15:59, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Your page on moves with unique animations and uploading images

About the page you have made(and if you are still working on it as of today) you have put Counter there (I do know the question mark was there) but I would like to say that it may clash with the animation of Mirror Coat and may not be considered unique. I found another unique move animation of interest; Fire Blast as it always produces the kanji 大 when used.

I noticed there were blanks in the table, but I do know some examples where the attack has been specifically used (e.g. Sand Attack and Ember in the original series). However I'm not sure on how to get/take high quality images of a scene in the anime where the move is executed. Do you know if there is any way to take good screenshots?

Also is there a special method for images to be uploaded in Bulbapedia? Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard that one has to make a certain(precise number is hidden) amount of edits on an Archives page before being allowed to upload images.Nikuriku (talk) 06:50, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

The page is still in the works, yes. I've only looked through the first 100 or so Gen I moves, so that's why Fire Blast isn't on there yet. As for Counter, I wasn't sure if Counter being mostly red in coloration, as opposed to Mirror Coat's white coloration, would make it unique, though I'd have to check other moves as well.
You can take images by taking a screenshot of the episode, shop out any of the logo or text, and/or resize it to the wiki's standard (if it's not at that size).
The autoconfirmed requirements are the same on the archives as they are on the wiki. You have to be autoconfirmed on the archives first before you can start uploading images.--ForceFire 11:57, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the information. But regarding the autoconfirmation on the archives page, I'm not sure on what to actually do on the archives page in terms of contributing in order to be autoconfirmed to upload images. Because to contribute requires one to upload but for those not confirmed cannot upload, so I view the contribution and confirmation as overlapping. So could you tell me on some specific things to do for one to contribute to the archives page before they can upload as I have little knowledge on how it works?
Also I added a small list on the discussion page on your unique animation page of some attacks to have a look at. If I don't get autoconfirmed in a while, I may just send the images over to you in some other way for you to judge whether they would be good enough for the page.Nikuriku (talk) 03:44, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, it can be hard to find anything to edit on the archive since it's not its main purpose, but there are things you can do (like tagging untagged images, putting summaries for images that don't have them etc..). I don't exactly remember what edit I made to get autoconfirmed, but I think it was one of the two I mentioned.
As for the page, I'll look through the remainder of the Gen I moves when I'm not super busy.--ForceFire 03:56, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
Actually, when Force Fire started editing, there was no autoconfirmed on Archives. I know because I uploaded this image as my first edit there in 2012 (changed three years later), and later on I also got hit with the autoconfirmed flag. As noted, you may have to just edit tags. One possible method is that you can seek help uploading the image and then you can add the tags and info needed. Checking newly referenced images, such as in anime articles, is a good way to find images that you can verify are fully tagged and info properly noted. Alternatively, you can ask an Archives administrator (see Archives Staff if there's anything you can work on and they can give you some direction. CycloneGU (talk) 22:39, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

My trivia ban...

My trivia ban's lasted over a year already. I mean, this feels really overkill. Why's it lasting so long? And to quote your response:

Ah crap; I forgot. Sorry. As long as you're here, how much longer until it's gone? It's been several months. Unowninator (talk) 15:22, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
:Until the Editorial Board feel that you won't be editing the trivia section too much.--ForceFire 15:32, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

I don't know why I didn't say this when I first saw it, but... basically all I have to do is agree to edit the trivia less? May I please have some closure? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 00:19, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Please, I'm not asking for you to give it back. I just want clarification. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:36, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Bring it up to an Editorial Board member, since they're the ones that'll be making the decision.--ForceFire 05:24, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
Okay, I will. Thanks. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 06:53, 27 June 2017 (UTC)


Hey, I was just wondering why Katie from the Hoenn league, Lewis and Ridley form BW are not included in the Anime Characters template as recurring characters? Diamond Lanturn CodeName: 05308 10:41, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Lillie's Garden Pokémon

I was wondering if it was worth creating a page for all the Pokémon that appear in Lillie's garden as they have appeared twice at present but would be a long list for the recurring Pokemon in the anime page.--BigDocFan (talk) 15:02, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Recurring wild Pokémon may only receive articles if they had a significant impact on the plot AND appeared in at least three episodes. Having impact on the plot is much more important than just appearing--ForceFire 03:24, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Screenshooting and your page on unique anime move animations

Hi, I would like to express my thanks to you and Cyclone for helping me get autoconfirmed on the Archives. But another question I would like to ask is how to be able to take screenshots on a 3DS along with recommended image size for uploads? Because I noticed a LOT of moves requiring their Gen VII move animation and whether to upload it as a GIF or general .png file? Note that some of my uploads were in 1280x720, not sure if that is appropriate Also would I be allowed to add some table columns to your page on unique move animations in the future? Because I know a few notable moves which could be put down on the page.Nikuriku (talk) 13:18, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

No problems. You can get screenshots from a 3DS with a capture device, which can be expensive. The images should be uploaded as .png, and (if I recall correctly) the reason the post Gen V move images aren't animated is because it'd make the images too heavy considering the frames and it'd most likely put stress on the server.
The idea I had for the unique move animations page was to do it by generation first, i.e. pick out Gen I moves and discuss to weed out any questionable animations (like counter or hyper beam), and then move on to the next generation. I'm free this weekend, so I'll review the list you provided on the articles talk page.--ForceFire 00:32, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

SM014 cast lists

Received the cast lists for SM014, do I have your approval to add these? Received more cast lists in an Excel document but for some reason it has come up unreadable but mentioned this to Lisa Ortiz so hope to hear back--BigDocFan (talk) 08:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC) Received the other cast lists for SM013 - SM013 as well but don't have time to screenshot them to you, will do when I get back home later today--BigDocFan (talk) 08:16, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

The SM014 is good to go.--ForceFire 10:18, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Cast lists for SM004 to SM013 have been sent for your approval, had to download the excel document to screenshot it as it was otherwise unreadable for some reason, hope I have approval--BigDocFan (talk) 14:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Guessing you've been busy so was unable to respond, hope all is well, just checking, did you get my latest email, just making sure--BigDocFan (talk) 12:25, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
This month has been busy for me, so apologies for the delay in response. I'm having trouble opening the urls, they simply won't load. Could you try again, or try a different image host?--ForceFire 13:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I understand about you being busy. Tried the links myself before posting in the email so these should work--BigDocFan (talk) 15:43, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, seems the images won't load on my end but it does for the other admins. I've been shown another way to view the links, and I've checked through them. They're good to go.--ForceFire 10:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
Brilliant, thank you so much.--BigDocFan (talk) 10:53, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Deleted Page

Alright so this is going to seem kind of random but could you possibly restore the page for my old account on here so I can view the history of it? I made an account on here when I was in like middle school and made a bunch of cringe edits and had a user page that was exactly what you'd expect from a 13 year old who just figured out how to use a wiki and then like years later i deleted it all because i thought it was really embarrassing and you deleted my account

But now I have a super mildly popular youtube channel (which i'm not going to post so this doesn't seem like it's just the most elaborate way to promote my channel ever) and i think it would actually be super funny to make a video with my original competitive team that i had like an RMT for on my page. So yeah if you could let me see it i'd give you a big ole smooch but if you can't then that's fine too. Danicetimekid (talk) 04:12, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

bump Danicetimekid (talk) 19:43, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I'm guessing you didn't get my email? Or are you using the email attached to Reverend A_K rather than the one you're using now?--ForceFire 04:01, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that I hadn't checked. Thank you so much! Danicetimekid (talk) 12:21, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

No problem.--ForceFire 12:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Bulba Handbook

Do you know where Bulba Handbook gets their information? I know for sure that not all of it's from Bulbapedia, because some stuff on Bulba Handbook isn't on Bulbapedia. If you don't know, who should I ask? sumwun (talk) 15:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

You might have to ask an Editorial Board member for this.--ForceFire 03:19, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Userspace articles

On your unique move animations page discussion page, I put up a list of moves of notability from Tri Attack onward to cover all Gen II moves of potential notability. Images I mentioned in a previous post will be coming soon once I have some more time to get move images from the Original Series DVD's for better quality.

Also I would like to ask advice for structuring an Underleveled Pokemon page is that should the tables be just one large table for all underleveled Pokemon in the core series or should I split the tables by doing one table for each generation on underleveled Pokemon?

Another thing would be for spin-off games like the Mystery Dungeon series, should I have a separate article for each Mystery Dungeon game or one whole article for all underleveled Pokemon in the Mystery Dungeon titles? Thanks aheadNikuriku (talk) 03:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

I'll look through the moves at some point, thanks.
I think it should be split between games, a long table can be very difficult to edit through. Spin off series should be in one page, unless it gets a little too large, but just see how large the article will be with all the templates before deciding to split it off.--ForceFire 07:44, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Pokedex entries

About Gen VII Pokedex entries on Pokemon that don't appear in Sun and Moon, would it be advised to add entries to the page via transferring Pokemon over than adding the entry to the species articles or would something like the Bulbabot be doing it in one large swoop? Just clarifying since I was planning to add some Dex entries for Pokemon that don't appear in the regional Gen VII dex.Nikuriku (talk) 00:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Sun and Moon don't have any entries for non-regional-dex Pokémon, even if you transfer them over. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 02:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Pokemon encounter chances

Do you know where Bulbapedia gets the information for the encounter chances of each Pokemon in each location? sumwun (talk) 04:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Temporary Pokémon

We appear to have an edit war taking place with Rahl‎ regarding Temporary Pokémon debut's. Most list their debut as the episode that the trainer first temporarily used that Pokémon but Rahl‎ keeps changing it to that actual Pokémon's debut. Any chance you or your fellow admin can resolve this once and for all.--BigDocFan (talk) 19:28, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

The parameter says "debut", so we put the Pokémon's actual debut. However, I'm not against adding a "episode used" (or something similar) parameter for temporary Pokémon, I'll bring it up with the others.--ForceFire 03:48, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up--BigDocFan (talk) 06:44, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Adding images for Gen VII moves

Hi, I would like to ask on the number of images to display on an article about an attack? Because I noticed some moves (e.g. Parabolic Charge) has only one image and others (E.g. Seismic Toss) has two images displayed at the top. So I would like to ask on how many images I should have to update move images so it displays the Gen VII move instead of the Gen VI attack.

Another thing I would like to ask is how to replaces images on the page and move older images to the bottom of the page as I'm unfamiliar with that kind of editing

Also is it just me or is there a lot more GIFS on Bulbapedia? Not sure if it was always like that as my PC usually doesn't play GIFS but today it seems that what previously was GIFS that are now images suddenly work as GIFS again.

Thanks aheadNikuriku (talk) 08:07, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

I believe moves have two images if there are two phases for the animation. For example, Seismic Toss has the opponent thrown in the air before the impact animation. Moves that are just the basic impact animations just get one image.
Save the current image as a separate file (preferable File:<move> Gen VI.png) and replace the current one, while reuploading the old image iunder the new filename.
Browsers require an add on for GIFs to work, my browser doesn't have the add on, so GIFs don't work for me.--ForceFire 05:43, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

That Game Corner thing...

[4] I just want to say that the image doesn't make it obvious; not everyone watches the anime. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 03:55, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

The template, along with the fact that Yellow is based off the anime and it is run by Team Rocket, makes it all the more obvious.--ForceFire 05:43, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Two questions

Why are the Crystal and Emerald sprites animated, but not the Generation 4 sprites? Do you know where Bulbapedia gets the information for the encounter chances of each Pokemon in each location? sumwun (talk) 20:49, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

No idea why the Gen IV sprites aren't animated. Bulbapedia gets it's encounter rate from datamining.--ForceFire 03:46, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

DPPt datamining

By any chance, do you know who does most of the datamining for Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum? sumwun (talk) 14:23, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Those who know how to hack into the game.--ForceFire 01:47, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Do you know of any specific users who hack DPPt? sumwun (talk) 03:16, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
No.--ForceFire 03:24, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

WTP Images

For some reason despite uploading new images for several who's that Pokemon, the pics on one of my pages remain the same when when I click the pic, it is the new one.--BigDocFan (talk) 19:18, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

Try refreshing your cache.--ForceFire 01:47, 17 July 2017 (UTC)


Have you been able to watch the episode yet? I would like to know what moves you approve of so the whole thing can be put to rest for now.--Rahl (talk) 03:23, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Three questions

1. On the Acid Armor page I have attempted to replace the image to the Gen VII one and move the Gen VI one to the bottom of the page(SnorlaxMonster already knows I own a capture card btw). Can you check if I did it correct please?

2. On your unique animations page, when a time is convenient could you please check over the list of moves that cover up to Gen II?

3. For that same page would it be relevant to upload images of other Pokemon using such moves? Just asking in case they get removed for not being relevant enough as some spaces don't have images despite some Pokemon series having a Pokemon use such moves. Thanks--Nikuriku (talk) 01:52, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

1) Your edit was fine, just make sure to separate the "in other gen" templates as putting all the images in one template will stretch the template off screen for users with smaller screens.
2) I'll be sure to get to the Gen II moves when I have more free time.
3) If you want to add images to the page, go for it.--ForceFire 02:30, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Kiawe's Turtonator, Mallow's Steenee, and Shiron

How come Kiawe's Turtonator, Mallow's Steenee, and Shiron have their abilities revealed on their pages but Ash's Unfezant and Scraggy, Iris's Axew and Dragonite, and Serena's Pancham don't despite all being distributed to the games? Even Turtonator and Shiron have their genders stated even though they aren't confirmed yet in the anime? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 00:24, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Slurpuff and Raichu

Hello. I want to ask for some clarification. How come you said that Sawyer's Slurpuff is a boy and Tierno's Raichu is a girl? Raichu's gender difference shows he's male and this can be used as proof since this particular Raichu appeared after gender differences appeared. Since he was affected by Slurpuff's Attract, that makes Slurpuff female since Attract only works on Pokémon of the opposite gender. Previously, you mentioned that Slurpuff was stated to be a boy but you also mentioned that fansubs are unofficial and fan made and the evidence that suggested Slurpuff to be male was a fansub, during Sawyer's battle with Ash. How come people are saying that Raichu's a girl and Slurpuff's a boy when the evidence shows the opposite? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 21:37, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

That was not a fansub thing, it was actually said, and it was from XY126]. Specifically, when Slurpuff used Attract on Blastoise it was ineffective and Clemont explicitly stated that it failed because both Slurpuff and Blastoise are male. But since it worked on Raichu and it was said that Slurpuff was male, Raichu is female.--ForceFire 04:34, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
If I might add, Pokemon from Gen I-III can't have gender differences used as proof if their appearance is of the gender that matches the species' appearance before gender differences were introduced, because even if that particular individual appeared after gender differences appeared, we still don't know whether the animators are specifically using gender differences or if they're just drawing the old design, as in this case. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:17, 30 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh, ok. Now I get it. Thank you. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 01:23, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

Voice actor pages

Hi, I'm not sure if you are able to do this but would you be able to mainspace the following pages on my userpage of the voice actors under "Pages made but currently in userspace" please? These pages are Rie Tanaka, Yuuichi Nakamura, Wataru Takagi and Takahiro Sakurai. I'm asking as Pokemaster97 has been inactive for over a week when I asked if he could mainspace them and I assume he'll be busy for a while. Also it has been discussed with him beforehand that these voice actors are noteworthy enough for their own articles on his talkpage to be approved to have articles. Thanks.Nikuriku (talk) 09:28, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Update. Would Miyuki Sawashiro be considered to have her own article once I make a page in the userspace first? Because I believe she is pretty relevant for voicing Olivia who so far has been a notable role for her many appearances so far in the anime. Also are you able to mainspace the completed pages which can be found on my userpage please when a time is convenient? Thanks.Nikuriku (talk) 12:10, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Editing redirects

How do I change the page that a search term redirects to? sumwun (talk) 18:02, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

For redirects with no page made yet, just create a new page with #REDIRECT [[(original name of page)]]. And for redirects with a page already, just go to the original redirect page and change the words in the [[ ]] part. — Ruixiang95 18:36, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
How do I go to the original redirect page without being redirected? sumwun (talk) 15:09, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
After being redirected, there should be a line of text at the very top of the page (just below the title) that only appears after redirection. It should include a link you can click to go to the redirect page. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 15:17, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
^This. Just don't refresh the page, or the link will disappear and you'll have to search for it again. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:51, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Apparently, the Type chart redirect is locked, so can someone make it redirect to Type/Type chart instead of Type#Type chart? sumwun (talk) 02:47, 4 August 2017 (UTC)


Why did you needlessly delete my edit summary for Stone Edge? Playerking95 (talk) 11:51, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Did you read my edit summary for the deletion?--ForceFire 11:52, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Um, yes. What "Code of Conduct" did I break?! Playerking95 (talk) 11:54, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Don't accuse other users of lying or the sorts. If you have a problem with someone's edits, talk to them politely. Don't bash them using the edit summary. That's not what edit summaries are for.--ForceFire 11:55, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Bash who? What on earth are you even talking about? Playerking95 (talk) 11:59, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Do you even remember what you typed? You type "Thanks PokeFan for lying to us.", clearly accusing someone of lying, regardless of whether they are actually lying or not. The main point is, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything.--ForceFire 12:02, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Oh my god. I said PokeFan, as in the popular Japanese magazine PokeFan, that stated Probopass used Stone Edge. Why would I bash a user, a user I don't even know about. Stop assuming things. Playerking95 (talk) 12:04, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
When you said PokeFan, I assumed you meant FinnishPokeFan. Apologies, but it wouldn't be the first time the two of you had a scuffle.--ForceFire 12:15, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Minor edit request

Can you make the search term "type chart" redirect to Type/Type chart instead of Type#Type chart? sumwun (talk) 17:33, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

The subpage has the old type charts, whilst the latter has the current type chart. When someone types in "type chart", they'd most likely want trhe current one, not the old one.--ForceFire 04:28, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

New interface

Why does Bulbapedia display a top bar instead of a side bar for people who aren't logged in? sumwun (talk) 18:36, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Zygarde's trivia and voice actor articles

Hi, would it be relevant to say that in Zygarde's trivia that it is the only Pokemon who can change its base HP in battle via form change? Also are you able to mainspace some voice actor(already discussed with Pokemaster97 that these voice actors are relevant enough) articles I created which can be found on my userpage please? Not sure if you saw my previous message but just asking again in case you didn't see the first one. Also would Miyuki Sawashiro(Olivia's VA) be notable enough for its own page? Thanks ahead.Nikuriku (talk) 10:17, 12 August 2017 (UTC)


May I ask you to look into whether Great Bear is a sockpuppet? Their edit history seems to show an awareness of behind-the-scenes stuff (like your userspace's trivia policy) that it's incredibly unlikely a new user would know about. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:57, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

He's already been investigated by several people in the past days. In general, the staff is quick to notice and IP check suspicious users so reports like this are very often redundant.--Den Zen 21:12, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:17, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Nope I'm not a sockpuppet I've just done some research about Bulbapedia.Great Bear (talk) 13:54, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

SM038 Thunder Wave

There has been some discussion about whether a Murkrow used Thunder Wave in SM038, as the move wasn't explicitly stated, and whether the move's animation can be considered unique. Since you're the one in charge of the moves with unique animations page, I thought I'd bring this up to you and ask for your opinion. I personally agree that Thunder Wave was used, since its animation looked the exact same as it did in the XY series (a few other users have agreed with this as well), but again, I'd like to hear your opinion on this matter. Satsjoe (talk) 17:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)


For perhaps his/her entire history on here, Kittystyler (talkcontribs) has frequently had his/her edits undone on the basis of bad grammar, or otherwise altered to improve the damaging English use. It's pretty clear English is not his/her strong suit, and may even be his/her second language, which prompted Pumpkinking0192 to twice recommend editing on one of our partner wikis in the language that he/she is most comfortable with. But those recommendations, plus all the other messages other users and I have been sending on his/her talk page, have apparently fallen on deaf ears, because he/she has not responded to our concerns even once and is just continuing his/her damaging edits, as evidenced by his/her most recent activity on the Snowy and Ash's Litten articles, just to name a few examples. One editor has even expressed clear annoyance and disdain at having to undo the latest of his/her many unhelpful edits on the Ash Ketchum article.

I am at my wit's end trying to get his attention on the talk page, and it's becoming more and more clear to me that he/she will simply keep continuing with those edits. Do you think you can do something about this? Thanks. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:47, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

He's still at it with this edit, which had been undone. Care to do something about it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:53, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Not really enough to warrant a block, especially if they're making edits once in a while.--ForceFire 05:46, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

S19 cast lists

Received the cast lists for every episode of Series 19 for your approval, due to the fast amount, minus those I already sent, I am sending them to you in two separate emails--BigDocFan (talk) 09:21, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Trying to send emails but keep getting a Error 504 Ray ID: 3a662079af49350c • 2017-09-30 09:25:01 UTC Gateway time-out--BigDocFan (talk) 09:25, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Trying to work out if the emails were actually sent, if they did, I apologize for sending multiple emails with the same content.--BigDocFan (talk) 11:27, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Haven't received the email. Try again another time/day, see if it works then.--ForceFire 11:48, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Would it be easier if I send them direct to your own email address, if you send me an email to [email protected], I could send you the images there. I promise to only email you cast lists and not to spam it.--BigDocFan (talk) 11:54, 30 September 2017 (UTC)
Sadly this may take longer than I would like because my failed attempts yesterday are bringing me this warning. Action throttled

From Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia. As an anti-abuse measure, you are limited from performing this action too many times in a short space of time, and you have exceeded this limit. Please try again in a few minutes. Return to Main Page.--BigDocFan (talk) 08:29, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Just had an idea if you'll allow it, can I send them to you by conversation on the forums, only problem is You may not start a conversation with the following recipients: Force Fire. so I was hoping you might allow it for now.--BigDocFan (talk) 08:36, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Sure you can message me on the forums, you should be able to message me now.--ForceFire 05:46, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Pre-typed messages?

Where can I find messages that appear to be pre-typed, such as "The Preview Button"? I see a lot of people send those, and it can't be a coincidence they all typed the exact same thing. - unsigned comment from TheUltimateGamer (talkcontribs)

Template:Preview button, all warning messages are pre-typed so that why they all are written the same way.--ForceFire 03:54, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

About your revision

Context - "Castform: Do not respond to comments (well) over 6 months old, unless the topic is unanswered, and this topic has already been answered.)" Hi, what if topics could use more relevant information? What Taromon said was incorrect. The NPC that mentioned Castform's creation was not the one who gave the Player a Castform, but the first grunt you battle up the stairs. --Lighthouse (talk) 04:44, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

In that case, it wouldn't depend on if the user who asked the question is still around to see your answer, since it'd be pointless to add further information if the user who asked is no longer around to see it.--ForceFire 02:58, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
What if nobody asks the question because they see that someone else already asked it, and those people think the answer that was given was the correct one? Just because the 'OP' made a topic ages ago and might never check again, shouldn't mean the topic is only meant for that person. The topics should be meant for everyone to discuss. This isn't really a forum with a necrobump rule, it should be a wiki with facts/trivia/other info.--Lighthouse (talk) 04:56, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
If someone reads it and doesn't question it, then that's out of our control and it's on them to actually check the page. The talk page is generally for improving articles, not correcting an age old comment.--ForceFire 06:05, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Unable to access diffs

I don't know what those recent updates did, but I'm now unable to access diffs of any kind whenever comparing edits. Every time I try, it always says "Error 503 Backend fetch failed". Before that, my ability to edit articles had been difficult because of lagging. I'm not sure what's happening here. Can this be fixed? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:14, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

The staff are already aware of the issue and are looking into it.--ForceFire 04:49, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, same here. Odd. TheUltimateGamer (talk) 19:02, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. :) GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:20, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
I can't even undo edits! That's just great... GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:37, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
I guess it isn't only I who has that problem. RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk)


Looks like I'm back to editing for Bulbapedia again, thank goodness, any luck with the cast lists I sent you?--BigDocFan (talk) 22:37, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

EP198 hair/eye glitch

I didn't know that was an anime thing. A similar thing happened and was included on the page for Episode 202, so I figured it was valid. Sorry about that. FireHeart (talk) 06:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)


HisHugeHoney (talkcontribs) is a new user who's made just a few edits, but many of them were undone because they were unconfirmed. For example, they made edits claiming Vullaby and Mandibuzz would be appearing in SM058. I asked them what their sources were, and this was their source. I feel convinced that they're just a troll if they're admitting they're just making this stuff up. Care to look into it? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:39, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't even know what this guy's on about now in his talk page. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Ash's Litten confirmed male and evolving in SM61

There has been an official poster showing it had evolved by SM61. His evolution has already been confirmed by CoroCoro. The poster also confirms Rowlet and Lycanroc as male, as well as confirming Lillie's Vulpix (Snowy) is female. It also confirms Lana's Popplio is female. Kiawe's Marowak is also confirmed male from the poster.

It was immediately recognizable since Steene and Togedemaru had bows on their heads (since Steene is always female and Togedemaru was already confirmed female in a previous episode)

So go ahead, fully protect those pages as "speculation crackdown" if you want to. Nobody's stopping you, because you're an admin!

More Proof:

Also, I am not a new user.

--Fungus3 (talk) 22:31, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

We know. We don't change things until the episode airs. Just have some patience.--ForceFire 04:01, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Why not just do the <!--hide--> thing? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 05:25, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Spoiler prevention.--ForceFire 06:12, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for the answer. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 19:20, 22 January 2018 (UTC)


Oh really? But Pokemon is known to combine things. For example, exeggutor is based on both a coconut tree and a Jinmenju, Breloom is based on both a mushroom and dinosaur, and Ludicolo is both a pineapple and kappa. And Ho oh seems to share traits wih turkeys and chickens. When do you know if a pokemon is based on sevral things? RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk) 03:59, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Those examples have very clear combined motifs, Ho-oh is very clearly a phoenix right down to its name and lore. Ho-oh has nothing in common with Turkeys and Chickens other than being avian creatures.--ForceFire 04:06, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

"Edit top of page" button

What happened to the "Edit top of page" button? Why was it removed? sumwun (talk) 21:35, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Request for approved my work

I know, you're very busy with your real life. Could you approved some of my work to the Main site? Singaporean (talk) 12:01, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Sara can be made once the episode airs, it's not getting moved in the state it's at. The VA pages needs to be discussed with the other staff members.--ForceFire 12:44, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I will take notice after your college had discussed and made the decision. Happy editing. Singaporean (talk) 13:33, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Can my userpage be editable again, please?

I have no idea how long I was gone for, but it's great to be back.


Being away for a while has no bearings on whether you will get your userspace privileges back. Make some mainspace edits, that's the only thing that counts to getting your userspace privileges back.--ForceFire 06:00, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Spectra Source

So I'm fine with undoing my edit, its just I think you thought my only source was Serebii. I also used the page history of Spectra as a source, and if you want, I can just capture Spectra in my game of pokemon conquest and double check, but as is I'm over 90% certain the page was correct before it got edited to what it is now. See my comment in Spectra's talk page, please. Robertodole (talk) 22:59, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Maxie's Camerupt

Can I have approval for the page that was deleted? - unsigned comment from Reinhartmax (talkcontribs)

I'm not the guy to go to for manga articles (manga isn't my area), go to Ataro or any other staff whose area is the manga for that.--ForceFire 06:20, 2 February 2018 (UTC)


Hi. Noticed GrammarFreak01 has been blocked. Kind of surprised, because I frequently saw him in the recent history edits and he did seem like a decent editor. From what I see, I guess there are rules here differing from Wikipedia: one cannot blank perosonal talk page at will, one's signature must much one's username, and one may not edit peronal space too much. Back to the subject, I was wondering what additudes can cause blocks here, and are there any important rules I do not know? And hopefully, GrammarFreak01 may return after time, as, like I said, he seemed like a decent editor. RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk) 15:54, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Rotom Power Bag Pocket

Do you know anyone who could add the Rotom Power as a pocket for the bag? On my userpage are samples of the item pages for Rotom Powers, but default to the Z-crystals pocket since Rotom powers aren't part of the template yet. Lanthanum (talk) 05:17, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Cosmic duo

I noticed an edit you made recently saying that Solgaleo, Lunala, and Necrozma are a trio... Is this an official staff decision? I want to be sure before I make any edits. --Celadonkey 02:27, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

While I personally think they're a trio, a decision hasn't been made yet. I'll bring it up with the other staff members.--ForceFire 03:39, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I apologize for being impatient, but has any decision been made? --Celadonkey 23:23, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

You can't read the S

xyL6rhn.png Mijzelffan (talk) 00:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I've changed background of the cells to white.--ForceFire 03:54, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


Hi. I am posting here because I fear the page will turn into forum, but while I get what you say, I persoanlly think it is innaccurate, as the wording implies that Proton and Petrel were ALWAYS meant to be the same as the random grunt and executives from Generaton 2. They do not match well in gen 2 in my opinion, but as concensus has chosen the currnet wording, I won't argue. No bitter feelings. RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk) 04:43, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Their Pokemon are exactly the same as the GSC executives/grunts, trying to use levels and moves is being pedantic. Their quotes are almost the same, there are some changes, but that just comes with being a remake and having to change some things. So it is clear that they are intended to be the same executives from GSC. And the consensus was made by matching the characters between the games, it wasn't pulled out of thin air--ForceFire 04:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Poké Problem segment appearances

I can both see and not see why Poké Problem/Poké TV/etc. appearances shouldn't be listen in an episode's character list. Since I'm a compromise-seeking guy, what would you think of suggestion about a separate "Pokémon Problem"/etc. sub-segment(s) in the character lists to list the characters that solely appear during those Japanese-exclusive extra scenes? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:11, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

I think having the segment mentioned in the trivia and listing the Pokémon there would suffice. They are not part of the episode proper, and not all Poke Problem feature Pokemon, so it's not really a big deal (in my opinion at least).--ForceFire 02:56, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Yeah. Maybe a picture of the extra scene and then a brief description of it, along with the list of Pokémon shown exclusively there (if necessary), would be okay. If that's okay with you, I think I'll get to work on that at some point. PS. Would an extra subsection for the "Trivia" section be the way to go with this, or should I just put all that stuff under the "Trivia" header? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:33, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Putting them in the already existing trivia section will do.--ForceFire 08:46, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
Figured as much. Perfectly fine with me. As I said, I'll get to work on it at some point. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Plot summaries

Been working on changing the plot summaries for SM004 and SM005. Hope they are up to the standard required.--BigDocFan (talk) 20:21, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Pictures for Pokémon with Alolan Forms

Since Exeggutor's page has one picture of it with its Alolan form in the anime, can other Pokémon that appeared alongside their Alolan forms have their pages so it shows a picture of both forms instead of two separate pictures so it doesn't look so cluttered? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 23:08, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

If there are scenes where the regular and Alolan form are in one shot, sure. I can't see why not.--ForceFire 03:02, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 20:32, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


Well, I think I know where we are going with this, but there are pages, such as Solana, Dino, Tierno and Melanie, where a Trainer's Pokémon are put under separate templates, even though some did nothing other than just show up, for the reason that they are all different species, and must not be grouped together. If these pages, to a name a few, have different templates for different Pokémon, I believe Remo's page should get one as well. Harryghost (talk) 12:47, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

If it were done like how Dino's scoreboard Pokemon are compiled, then I'd be fine with it. They are not that important enough, they didn't even appear in flesh, to get there own big template. The other get a template because they at least appeared in flesh.--ForceFire 12:58, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Okay then. I will do it for Remo's page like I did it for Dino's page in that case. Thanks anyway! Harryghost (talk) 13:41, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


I noticed this on the fossil page "Tirtouga and Carracosta are the only Fossil Pokémon to have Rock as their secondary type.", though you said my fact about the walrein line being the only dual ice-water types with a primary ice type wasn't notable, though this trivia fact follows along the same lines PardescanSlowbro (talk) 13:39, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

There are only six Water/Ice types (Dewgong, Cloyster, Lapras, Spheal, Sealeo, Walrein), while there are 21 fossil Pokémon. Those kinds of trivia depends on how many there are in the group. Six Pokémon is too small of a group for that trivia.--ForceFire 13:57, 11 March 2018 (UTC)


Does bulbapedia have a phonetic function to say a particular Pokémon species name correctly?PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:17, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

For Tentacool, the word "cool" is right there in the name. Tackle does not sound like "cool", no matter how hard you twist it.--ForceFire 04:23, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
That wasn't the point I was making. I abandoned that idea and thought of the one mentioned above instead to avoid any future confusion or attempted twists by either myself or others.PardescanSlowbro (talk) 04:32, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
For name origins, how the word is pronounced and spelled in the name is important, as well as the words relevance to the Pokémon. You have to consider all three criteria.--ForceFire 04:38, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Again I am not talking about Tentacool, and never was. I am suggesting each pokemon page include a phonetic section, likely in the name origin section e.g. Tentacool is pronounced as ten-ta-cool, Alomamola is pronounced Alo-ma-mo-la, Charizard is pronounced Cha-ree-zard, Arbok is pronounced Are-bock. - unsigned comment from PardescanSlowbro (talkcontribs)
Oh, you mean a pronunciation guide? We don't list the pronunciation of Pokémon names on their articles since there are conflicting ways to pronounce a Pokémon name, so as to prevent edit wars over which is the "correct" pronunciation, we decided to leave them out. Though SnorlaxMonster has a page documenting all the (possible) pronunciation.--ForceFire 05:11, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the supplied link. I won't be adding anything into the Pokémon pages but will look into the link out of curiosityPardescanSlowbro (talk) 08:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Rock smash

Why did you undo my edit to rock smash? sumwun (talk) 03:18, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Oranguru's Place

Was wondering what it might take to make this page a mainspace article (talk) 12:07, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Movegen Template

In regard to Template:Movegen, I've seen you were one of the latest Administrator to edit it. Would it be possible to add the possibility to have more than one screenshot for post-gen V games? I'm currently in the midst of uploading multiple images for Gen VII move animations and it's very tiresome to add a separate template for every instance, i.e. Discharge. Thanks in advance. --Criққѳ~* 15:19, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

While I did make a template to test if it's possible to put two image in one cell, I think an easier option would be to combine the two image into one (like how some of the side series images are (see Mirror Move).--ForceFire 08:59, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Wouldn't that take up eons to do tho? There would be hundreds of screenshots to combine. There can't be a way to put 2 images in one cell or it's impossible? --Criққѳ~* 11:18, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
It is possible to put two image in one cell, thought to suggest the option of combining images, since it's something that is already being done for some moves. But since that would take a long time to do, especially when Gen VIII comes and you have to add Gen VII screenshots in the template, I've added to coding. Just add "GenVI2" to the template.--ForceFire 11:50, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much! That will save up a lot of work.--Criққѳ~* 12:55, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


Noticed that Krookmonguy‎ is adding Voice Actors to pages, Japanese mainly. These appear to be based on previous credits without any confirmation at all.--BigDocFan (talk) 07:59, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Erica124 once again

Hey! I wanted to bring to your attention some recent edits of Erica124 (talkcontribs). It appears she's not using her force preview that you applied ([5], [6], [7]), and she's also making unnecessary rearrangements ([8]) and adding extremely trivial content ([9], [10]). At least three editors, including me, have undone, or had to improve, many of her recent edits. I have tried messaging her several times with advice and warnings, but she never responds. Care to respond to this, when you're free? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 19:35, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

And Erica continues to fail to use her force preview. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:35, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
Erica strikes again. She's definitely not using the force preview. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:28, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
You really don't need to keep updating to ForceFire. I'm sure he'd check out Erica's contributions on his own. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 02:30, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
My sincerest apologies. It's just that Erica124 is driving me at my wit's end and I was hoping to see some discipline being handed out as soon as possible. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:33, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Whom to ask about this?

I recently came to notice that Homer from the Type Expert Tournament/Ground has a Camerupt, that's apparently holding a Power Herb, although, based on its moveset (which includes Overheat), I suspect that this is an error and it's actually holding a White Herb. However, I don't want to jump into conclusions, and since I've been unable to check this myself, I'd like to get help in seeing if there has been a minor error while listing this Pokémon's held item. Based on your user page, though, you don't seem to have played Black 2 or White 2, so do you know anyone I could ask about this?
PS. Yeah, I could've asked someone else directly, but you're a user I've grown to respect on this site, so... Yeah. Sorry. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:25, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I've never played B2W2, so I wouldn't know, sorry. You could either ask on the talk page of Type expert tournament and wait for a response, or go to the talk pages of users that have played the game, if you want a quicker response.--ForceFire 04:33, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
I already left a message about this on that tournament's talk page, and to be honest, I thought of that other possibility already, but my mind was already set on asking you first. But yeah, now that I'm done with that, I'll go ask someone else. Thank you anyway. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 04:52, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Fossil Pages

Hiya, the split fossil pages have been sitting for a while, and I'm not sure who else to ask to help moving 'em out. I've left discussion in relevant pages and requested a few admins but without response. Is there anything else that can/should be done to push this through? Lanthanum (talk) 15:08, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

The plan is to split all pages that need to be split at once, that includes the fossil pages. There are still some pages that need to be approved.--ForceFire 04:35, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
What other pages are there? Perhaps I can assist. I've worked on splitting the other item pages for a while now, you can check my userspace to see my contributions. Lanthanum (talk) 04:42, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Types and "metagame" information

Why is information about "the metagame" (stuff like "this type is good when combined with this other type") allowed on the pages about types but nowhere else? sumwun (talk) 17:19, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


Hello, just wondering why was GordonChoate7 blocked? Their edit history shows no results so why were they blocked?Great Bear (talk) 18:57, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

It was a spambot.--ForceFire 04:33, 13 April 2018 (UTC)


Actually, if you see it closeup in the Soulsilver intro, its shape is like an airplane. Alos, its tail resembles an airplane's somewhat, as well as its wings. RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk) 05:14, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Neither the tail or wings looks remotely like a, airplane tail or wing. And Lugia's neck and large size throws the whole airplane body similarity right off.--ForceFire 05:24, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok. Just thought it did. I guess I was mistaken. RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk) 05:27, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Safari Land

Hello. I've watched episodes 33 and 34 to discover that the name for the area that Ash and friends are in, in both episodes, is known as the Pokémon Preservation Area, meaning that the page formally known as Safari Land (its Japanese name) can be changed to incorporate its English title. It differs from the Safari Zone in the anime, as Pokémon cannot be captured. If this fact is verified by you, how would the page's name be changed to incorporate this new information? Thanks in advance PardescanSlowbro (talk) 11:21, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Offensive User Name Troll is back

This time they're David Duke, BillCosbyIsInnocent, Ho Chi Minh, and a possible 4th one. Could you nip this in the bud?--BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 06:22, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

They've already been dealt with.--ForceFire 07:10, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

We got us a Charizard Gender debate again...

Can you quash it and possibly set precedent in stone for staff that are junior to you and former staff that should know better than to debate this with the big red sign saying not to complain about it? --BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 04:16, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

First of all, Dennou is not a former staff member, he is still a senior administrator. Secondly, you need to stop going around like you have some sort of authority. Thirdly, just because I've been very strict on anything gender related, doesn't mean I'm going to say "no" every single time. There is actual legitimate evidence/source for Dennou's claim. Tomioka is an actual writer for the show, so he probably knows more and probably has control over how he wants characters to be portrayed. Tracy West novelisations is not written by a writer from the (Japanese) show. There's a big difference. This requires more discussion on Charizard's talk page.--ForceFire 08:27, 2 May 2018 (UTC)