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  GrammarFreak01 (talk) 19:33, 10 June 2018 (UTC)  

Near-universal TMs

Why did you undo my edit to near-universal TMs? sumwun (talk) 18:48, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

User pages

Do not edit other people's user pages. You may wish to familiarize yourself with the userspace policy. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Preview button

Next time you edit an article, use the preview button at the bottom left corner of your editing screen. It will allow you to look at your edits before you actually submit them. That way, you don't have to make unnecessarily consecutive edits to a single article. Thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

I know. I'm just surprised how many times I can find a new example that I now think this list wasn't supposed to be complete. I'll try to do it without as many saves.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 22:07, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Okay. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:15, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Type tables

Please don't change the formatting of the table is it doesn't affect how the table will look, it is unnecessary. Thank you.--ForceFire 03:44, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

If it is unnecessary then it shouldn't bother you, it made the code clearer and shorter in page length. Also, I've changed how are presented pokestar studios opponents. I'm insisting on restoration my changes.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 10:34, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
It also added more unnecessary bytes than it had before. It didn't shorten page length at all... if you mean within the editing box, then that's not a problem, as there are other things that are longer. And the coding doesn't need to be made "more clearer", it's fine the way.--ForceFire 12:13, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
There were more bytes, because I've added many spaces. It's much more pleasing this way in my opinion and you have really no reason care about it, but you're against as always.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 12:39, 8 July 2019 (UTC)


Never use Serebii as a source. The site is a secondary source so is necessarily unreliable, but more importantly, the site has specifically requested we don't use their content. --SnorlaxMonster 12:59, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Fine, I won't, that's not the first time I found an error there. This table wasn't even finished then. By the way, nice changing of message.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 13:49, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Something to say

  1. What country are you from because I saw you adding that Clefairy and Clefable had somewhat different Polish names in EP006.
  2. See what I have written on Template talk:Bag2.

Have a nice day, TheICTLiker4 19:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Of course I'm Polish and I've seen ForceFire reverted your edit, which I prefered. And I've also seen Bag2. I don't really understand how does it work, but it seems fine and someone really should decide if to change this template but it's always hard to get one of admins' attention.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 09:12, 12 March 2020 (UTC)


As you have repeatedly shown a complete lack of compliance in regards to making major changes to templates, including changing the look of it and making very unnecessary minor changes, you have been blocked for a week. I have told you numerous times already, you cannot make major changes to a template without asking on the talk page first. Even if no one responds, ask a [staff] member directly. No response does not give you the right to just make the edit. Do not do as you please. If you return and continue to make any major templates changes without asking first, you will be blocked for longer. Thank you.--ForceFire 16:12, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Dex entries

We only add anime dex entries if the dex entry is about the subject itself, passing mentions do not count.--ForceFire 05:54, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Userspace limits

Hello. I have noticed that you have been editing the User: namespace a lot recently, and have made a total of 4+ userspace edits today. Please do not edit the userspace any more, as the userspace policy limits the amount you can edit your userpage: No more than three edits per day (by UTC), and you must contribute to the mainspace more than you edit your user page(s). This policy was instated to promote people helping out in the mainspace, and also to control strain on our servers. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, after all, so help us out by contributing to some articles before coming back to your personal page(s). The more often you edit in the mainspace, the more you will be allowed to edit your user page(s). Thank you. --ForceFire 17:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Please take note that you are required to contribute to the mainspace, and do so more than you edit your userpage. Just limiting yourself to 3 edits a day does not make it all "okay". Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:02, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Does it count that I've made a lot of contribution to the mainspace over the years? I'm also working exclusively on things that I intend to move on the mainspace.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 11:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
No, you can't stock up any kind of "credit".
I honestly wasn't looking at the content since it was your base userpage and most people just use that for personal info. If you'd like to move it to a subpage but still keep it all together (instead of one for each subject), some people like making a userspace sandbox. Edits to that would be more immediately distinct. And we do generally give allowance for work intended for the mainspace. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:19, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
I've practically finished and would like to show my work to the staff. What would be the best way to do that? I really don't want to get ignored or be left with just the negative answer.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 22:15, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
Start by asking someone. If it's not answered, you can ask someone else. If you don't like the answer you can appeal higher (if possible). Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:42, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Unnecessary edits

You're still making unnecessary edits to templates and changing the design of it without permission (changing the colors counts as changing the design). Please cease the pointless edits to templates as they change nothing and please start a discussion on the talk page first if you want to change the colors of the template. Thank you.--ForceFire 16:54, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

So, can I change the colors because one page really shouldn't use two different ones for each gender?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 16:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, you may.--ForceFire 17:07, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
My edit also contained other changes. Are these alright?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:10, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Putting the coding of the cells in one row is pointless and changes nothing, so not that, leave them separated. Anything else is fine.--ForceFire 17:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
I will make the edit now. Tell me if there is something you don't agree with.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:17, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
The new changes are fine.--ForceFire 09:36, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Proposed templates

Please don't make templates in the mainspace. If you want to propose a template, create it in your userspace first and wait for it to get approved. Thank you.--ForceFire 04:14, 11 June 2020 (UTC) Ok. Sorry, I didn't know such template already exists.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 11:31, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Gender table

I think the same episodes (and same instigator in them) for example DP142 and the Togepi, BW007 and the Snivy, and Emolga in the episodes it’s used for (without combining episodes, of course) should be rowspanned if possible--KnightGalarie (talk) 19:24, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for taking an interest in my little project. Well, it is still far from finished and after that I still would have to convince the staff about adding it to the mainspace so there is time until we talk about cosmetics.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 19:58, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
Oh I know its current state. I’m not talking about mainspacing. I wouldn’t call it cosmetics, more aesthetic, but what I’m talking about is more its structure. I don’t think we need to see the same episode mentioned 5 or 6 times, just let the first instance stretch as necessary. Same for repeated instances of the instigator within the episode. It’s a structural thing, which is important.--KnightGalarie (talk) 20:01, 10 July 2020 (UTC)
It's much easier to work with what it is now and it will stay this way. I personally don't think it should be connected because every use of Attract is a seperate incident.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 11:01, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

Move variation header: Template:Mvar/h

Why did you add the sizing? The table of contents on the move variations page is so tall that this change was unneeded. --Bfdifan2006something to say? 16:27, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I thought the page "Move variations" looks very weird and inconsistent with all the tables in different sizes, and I didn't change height, just width so it has no effect on how tall the page is.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 16:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
When I meant "table of contents", I meant the auto-generated grey column with a green border with the names of headers on the same page. That's why I had to undo your edit. --Bfdifan2006something to say? 17:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh, it doesn't fit on your screen? Well it did on mine. Maybe I'll try with 600px?--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Sure, you can do that. --Bfdifan2006something to say? 12:51, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Even after your edit to the template, it still fits between the left side of the screen and the table of contents. --Bfdifan2006something to say? 07:22, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Wait, so you are asking why the table of contents is on the right instead of the left like on other pages? It's because of the div "<div style="float:right">__TOC__</div>". Someone put it there because the table of contents is very long.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 11:55, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
No, actually, it's related to the width.
Specifications (taken from my computer):
  • Screen resolution: 1366x768 pixels
  • Content area width: 1152 pixels
  • Width of the table of contents on Move variations page: 239 pixels
  • Padding: 13 pixels on both sides
Also, I could DM you on Discord instead of this long thread on this page. I am Keyacom#0002 on Discord, so could you send me a friend request, if you can? --Bfdifan2006something to say? 19:53, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


Hi, can I ask what exactly were you referring to by 'gender policy' in Buizel's case? Its gender difference is pretty clear. AdilTalk page 13:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I realized my mistake. It's still counterintuitive to me to treat Pokemon from generation IV differently, but I understand the idea. In case of Staraptor, I think it's clear that we can't use gender difference as a proof.--Rocket Grunt 14:04, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Noted. I'm discussing the Staraptor issue with the staff. I'll post a reply under the topic you recently started on Staraptor's page once we have a decision. AdilTalk page 14:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Also, in DP103 Ash's Staravia was infatuated by robot Staravia with a pink bow, seems like a indication to me.--Rocket Grunt 14:39, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
James refers to the decoy as princess Staravia trap number 5. So, I don't think there's any doubt that Ash's is male. The argument is whether to use the episode or the policy as the reasoning. AdilTalk page 14:44, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Minor differences

Just going to say this before you go ahead and make more edits that I have to revert. If the difference is simply the length or size of a Pokemon's physique or design, like Meganium or Abomasnow, then it is a minor difference. A difference that isn't minor is a difference we can actually tell, like Pikachu or Buizel's difference.--ForceFire 15:35, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Cool. Can you answer my questions about gender differences on your talk page and speculation policy talk page?--Rocket Grunt 15:37, 9 September 2020 (UTC)


Why did you undo my edit on misdreavus? BlauesSerpiroyal (talk) 19:55, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Because you left it with broken template.--Rocket Grunt 20:15, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. Thats...emberassing I'll fix it. Thanks for the clarification (i should really use the preview button more often) BlauesSerpiroyal (talk) 20:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Err why did you say cosmoem is the heaviest unevolved pokemon

Onix Is the heaviest unevolved pokemon not cosmoem because cosmoem is the secondary evolution of cosmog and unevolved means the first stage so yeah - unsigned comment from GeomancyGarbodor (talkcontribs)


That Voltorb gif you uploaded was from a dream sequence. Voltorb can't actually change its size. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

It did in one episode of Original Series and in the manga.--Rocket Grunt 14:34, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
What episode specifically? Even if it's true, the image you uploaded isn't a good representation of that, since, as I said, it's from a dream sequence. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:56, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
EP049, PG04 and PS010.--Rocket Grunt 15:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
My reasons are the same as Finnish, the gif is from a dream sequence and not from any of the other episodes where Voltorb can apparently change size (of which I am sceptical of). If you can re-upload a new gif that isn't from the dream sequence (and thus prove that it is actually something Voltorb can do), then the edit can stay. Also, do not continuously re-add removed information, it falls under edit warring. But you know that already, at least you should know that already.--ForceFire 18:37, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring

I'm going to emphasize Force Fire's warning above. Per the blocking policy, making the same edit three times is edit warring. Edit summaries are not a suitable way to have an extended "discussion" on the pros and cons of an edit. If you have a disagreement with someone about an edit, take it to a talk page before it becomes an edit war. Tiddlywinks (talk) 01:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Pokémon Type Tables

While I like the edits of the Type articles you did for consistency's sake, why not update the other Type articles with those differences? I don't think the Pokémon sprite column should have its own header, and it's strange to have it sortable as it is now on the type pages. --AmbientDinosaur (talk) 16:47, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

That's because I really dislike these tables and don't really care about their looks and functionality as they have almost none. I like your idea and we can do that, it will make them better after all.--Rocket Grunt 17:08, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Anime series sections

Hey, I created a proposal of adding series sections in the articles for Pokémon species. For instance, adding "Pokémon the Series: Diamond and Pearl", "Pokémon the Series: Black & White", etc. sections in Pikachu.

This is being discussed here: Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub#Pokémon pages with anime series sections. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 13:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Same as usual

Do not just revert an edit because you disagree with it, discuss it (which you actually did) but actually wait for a consensus before taking any action. Immediately adding the reverted info back in may fall under edit warring. The things you added really only pertained to a set of moves, not the type in general. Properties of a move does not belong on an article talking about a type (in general). They go to the move articles.--ForceFire 04:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Celadonkey shouldn't revert my edit just because he didn't understand it. Every type relation is relevant in type page, especially in battle properties section.--Rocket Grunt 22:07, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Just to be clear, I did understand your edits perfectly fine. Those exceptional type interactions are worth mentioning somewhere for sure (and they already are, in what I would argue is the appropriate place), but the type pages are perhaps not the place for that, and currently, others seem to agree.
Again, if you believe strongly in this cause, you should make your case on a talk page. Maybe people will agree that it should be included, and then it might get added to the pages! But just going ahead and adding stuff back after you've been reverted is not the right approach. --celadonk (talk) 18:38, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
In my experience mentioning something on the talk pages rarely works. Prove me wrong and have an opinion on Talk:Ash's Bulbasaur and Talk:Sabrina's Haunter pages.--Rocket Grunt 18:49, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Regarding Bulbasaur's gender, it was brought to my attention. I do intend to discuss it with the rest of the staff, but my work schedule has been inconsistent, so I haven't gotten around to finalizing it. As for Haunter, I'll add it to my to-do list. However, I don't have an eta unfortunately. AdilTalk page 19:21, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Rocket Grunt, for what it's worth, I do think that user input on talk pages do need to be treated more seriously. It was one of my biggest frustrations here before I was promoted to staff. But just because, sometimes, talk pages can be an ineffective way to bring about change... using them is still what you're supposed to do. You can't just resort to breaking rules, especially ones that you've been warned about before, just because sometimes people don't respond to talk pages. --celadonk (talk) 19:26, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
What is so complicated about Haunter's ownership that one admin can't make this tiny change? It's obvious it should be "Haunter (anime)" or even "Ash's Haunter".--Rocket Grunt 23:37, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
Right there, you yourself gave two options. That is precisely why it takes us time to discuss things. Making sure what option works better and why is it better, that the change is in line with the established set of rules and other possible issues that could come with it. At the end of the day, we are the ones responsible for giving users justification for the decision when asked. It is almost never "a tiny change" that a staff member can just go and do without a proper discussion with the other staff. It is a process, and we have to make sure that we are all on the same page. AdilTalk page 00:54, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
I would agree if it wasn't a case from the year 1997. Some staff's guidelines about such common topic should be already established.--Rocket Grunt 12:35, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
You make it sound like this one issue is the only issue we talk about. There are other things that get discussed among staff, and we've just come back from an upgrade with minor niggles that need fixing, so apologies if you feel that your questions are being ignored.--ForceFire 06:43, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Once again, rather than going to Finnish's talk page to sort it out, you resort to just reverting him. I decided to give you a one day partial block on Ash's Greninja before it resorts to you just reverting every time someone reverts you, i.e. the same old song and dance. I may not be so lenient the next time you decide to just revert someone without going to a talk page to sort it out. As for your edit, Greninja's ability was not stated in the anime. Don't just assume it is Battle Bond because it's how it works in the games, it still needs to be explicitly stated, as the writers could decide that the ability isn't needed for the anime (for the convenience of the story).--ForceFire 12:00, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

So you say Finnish should start discussion istead of reverting my edit. It makes totally no sense whatsoever to see the exact effect of the ability and say it may not be it.--Rocket Grunt 23:42, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
Finnish had explained in his edit summary why he reverted you, he's fine. You clearly disagreed, but rather than going to his talk page, you reverted him. It still needs to be explicitly noted. We cannot assume it is just because it's how it works. Do not just guess. The writers can, and have in the past, throw curveball.--ForceFire 06:58, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
I have no idea how can you assume it may not have Battle Bond.--Rocket Grunt 17:51, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Because the anime didn't say it was. It needs to be said. We can't go on assumptions. Simple as that.--ForceFire 05:52, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Another stern reminder to use the talk page, do not just continuously revert someone. Go to their talk page and sort it out. Rahl at least explained in his edit summary and your talk page why your edits were reverted, and in complete contrast, you just continued to revert him without explaining why you thought you were correct. The issue surrounding Hidden Power has been resolved, but the issue of you absolutely refusing to use the talk page to settle dispute is an ongoing one and one you need to fix before you find yourself blocked, again.--ForceFire 05:34, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

What you need to do is to stop interfering in people's dusputes when they can resove them themselves. I never see you in the talk page discussions to say anything new or answering my messages, not even "staff will talk about it", just nothing, so I don't care. If you'd really care you would check my edit was reverted twice for no provided reason too and then third time before the other user could read what I have to say.--Rocket Grunt 10:39, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hidden Power

Please explain how you've determined what Hidden Power type it is for Roark's Geodude.--Rahl (talk) 19:59, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Because Brock said that. Could you watch the episode instead of reverting my edit?--Rocket Grunt 20:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
I just checked it. You've confused what he said. When Brock says 'and that was a Water type move too' he was referring to how Hidden Power beat out Hydro Pump, the Water move. He wasn't confirming Hidden Power's type.--Rahl (talk) 20:09, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Ash said "It beat back that Hydro Pump!", and Brock added "And that was a Water-type move, too!". He meant Hidden Power.--Rocket Grunt 20:12, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Brock was emphasizing that Geodude beat back a strong Water-type move, a type that Geodude is particularly weak against. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:15, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. Team Rocket Grunt, go back and watch it again with that in mind.Rahl (talk) 20:20, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Type trivia

Why do you consider a Pokémon being a main character's first Pokémon of a certain type not notable enough? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:48, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

You have about 20 main characters times 18 types, which would give 360 pieces of trivia. It's too common to be notable.--Rocket Grunt 14:52, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
Some of them are notable, some of them aren't. The ones caught in the first season wouldn't be notable as that would probably be a given since it's the first season. As for others, the current two series gap we use for the "Pokemon's first appearance since <episode>" trivia would be a good rule to use for these trivia as well.--ForceFire 06:57, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Not in case of Team Rocket. They catch too few Pokemon. They are constantly getting new types.--Rocket Grunt 09:50, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Not always. Force Fire provided another reason which I can't really argue about. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:42, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
There are only five types the duo have yet to catch (Fighting, Ice, Dragon, Rock, and Ground), so it's not going to be too terrible..--ForceFire 12:24, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
But then we should treat them as one and Jessie's Frillish mention specifically it's first of Jessie's ghost Pokemon.--Rocket Grunt 12:47, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Links to semi-invulnerable turn

Look at what I did on Heat Crash. You added a link to semi-invulnerable turn, but I had to make sure the first letter is lowercase because this way, it will only look the same as the original text. --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 15:57, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I see. Yea, it's not an official term so I guess I'll have to make all of them lowercase.--Rocket Grunt 20:40, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Came here because I was able to track down multiple errors of that sort to your edits. Do you plan on correcting them anytime soon? Nescientist (talk) 17:39, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Fine, done. If you find any more of them, fix them by yourself because I am not able to track anything else down.--Rocket Grunt 18:53, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Me neither. Thanks. Nescientist (talk) 15:24, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Cross gen references in trivia

Before you go about and remove every cross gen related trivia from articles, I should let you know that those in the specific areas where the cross gen reference are made are fine as that's where they belong, not on the general region articles.--ForceFire 05:12, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Type experts

Hey! I don't get why you removed Proton, Zinzolin, Shadow, Bryony and Mable as notable Trainers of their respective types. They fit the definition of a type expert just as well as Sina, Dexio, Zinnia, Lillie, Faba or Peony, and they actually fit it better than Colress or Rose. Pale Prism (talk) 21:20, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Original vs Kantonian

Why have you been changing "Kantonian" to "original" across Bulbapedia? Kantonian is an official term used to refer to Generation I Pokémon that have regional forms. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

For example, in SM, Hau refers to the player's mother's Meowth as a Kantonian Meowth. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:32, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Ultra Beasts

The two sources explicitly separates the Ultra Beasts from Legendary/Mythicals. The first source does so in the third paragraph, while the third source does so in the last line on the third paragraph in the "Head to the Ultra Wormhole" section.--ForceFire 20:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Since the question if Ultra Beasts are legendary Pokemon isn't clearly dispelled by the main sources it's safe to say "Legendary and Ultra Beasts" to make sure everyone understands which Pokemon are meant and avoid making any claim. This doesn't explicitly state they aren't legendary.--Rocket Grunt 20:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
If they were legendary, they wouldn't have separated them from the group. It wouldn't cause confusion at all, one could easily come to the conclusion of "if they didn't separate them, then they're in the same grouping". But the did, thus they are not legendary.--ForceFire 05:09, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Edit Warring. Yet again. As always.

Once again I must re-iterate, do not simply revert an edit/reversion just because you disagree with it. Bring it up to the user that reverted you. Don't just run straight for the undo button. I certainly look forward to having to re-iterate this to you again some time later.

Regarding genders, there's no need to list which genders have appeared in the anime. Maybe the Gen IV differences, sure, but there's only so many of them that actually have appeared. The post Gen V difference are unnecessary as their differences are rather obvious and don't need pointing out, especially if it will just come off as repeating what's already shown in the main template. Genders that have appeared can just go to their respective Pokemon article. Also, Meganium's gender difference does not count, it is a minor difference as it concerns something being longer/shorter between genders.

Also, "Also, some minor differences are too nuanced to be sure they are not just inconsistency in drawing" is absolutely unnecessary as that is a rule made by us for us. People can come to their own conclusion on what is minor and what isn't. Also, "Because some gender differences were introduced later than the Pokémon that have them, all individuals of such species used to be drawn as, what would now be considered, one gender." is absolutely incorrect. Just because a gender difference hasn't been shown, doesn't mean a certain Pokemon is only of one gender. Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

On psuedo-legendaries. It may be a fan made term, but the concept certainly isn't, especially with Game Freak coming up with a term to categorize these Pokemon.

So once again, do NOT simply run for the undo button when someone reverts you. GO TO THEIR TALK PAGE AND DISCUSS IT. You have been here long enough to know this.--ForceFire 16:08, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

How am I supposed to work around here? You are constatly reverting my additions without any reason whatsoever. If you don't like part of my edit just change the part and not revert whole edit. I am very happy to discuss any edit but you always just change it back as you like without sticking to the rules you are insisting on.
  1. If the site DOESN'T say that Ultra Beast Pokemon ISN'T LEGENDARY then it is NOT an EXPLICIT statement. It doesn't matter how you interpret it, you just lie if you consider it as EXPLICIT confirmation.
  2. "Also, some minor differences are too nuanced to be sure they are not just inconsistency in drawing": Ok, so what? It still can be mentioned for the users to understand this concept. We could makie it hidden. It's still not a reason to delete whole table.
  3. "Because some gender differences were introduced later than the Pokémon that have them, all individuals of such species used to be drawn as, what would now be considered, one gender." Just because a gender difference hasn't been shown, doesn't mean a certain Pokemon is only of one gender. Not sure how you came to that conclusion. : Maybe you didn't understand. I'm pretty sure it's meant to say that all Pokemon of such species regardless of their gender is drawn the same so we can't use it as a reason to confirm it. I'm not sure what you don't understand here.
  4. especially with Game Freak coming up with a term to categorize these Pokemon. : Then why don't we call them that way?
  5. GO TO THEIR TALK PAGE AND DISCUSS IT: I'm recomending you to do the same. You are in the wrong here for putting stuff like "NO" when reveting my edits. It's unconstructive. If you don't agree, you have to provide a reason.
  6. Additional question: Do we use terms like "Unovan Yamask" or "Kantonian Exeggutor", because I think they shouldn't be used since I found only two instances in the games when they said it and only for two Pokemon.--Rocket Grunt 19:26, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
I gave a reason for my reversions in both of them, to which you decided to revert back rather than go to a talk page.
  1. The fact that the two groups are separated is enough evidence to imply that Ultra Beasts are not legendary, it doesn't need to scream that they're not legendary in all sources available. If they were legendary, then they wouldn't have been separated, but they were.
  2. That sort of thing goes to a policy page, to which it already is there. As I said before for another subject, just because it's mentioned elsewhere, doesn't mean it needs to be mentioned everywhere. If users wants to know/are confused, you can redirect them to the speculation policy. Easy.
  3. In that case, it's the same as above, it's already in the policy page. No need to explain it in a separate article.
  4. Because we want to be sure Game Freak actually sticks to that term and it doesn't just become a one off.
  5. That was my third revert, and I was already annoyed that you chose to, once again, revert an edit rather than discuss it, like you usually do. My actual reasonings were already stated in the previous two reverts. To which you decided to revert rather than go to a talk page.
  6. Only when referring to multiple regional forms in the same context/sentence/paragraph.--ForceFire 05:25, 29 September 2021 (UTC)


Abcboy's {{form}}, which has the same function as the "f" template you just created, was main spaced a couple weeks or so ago. I've left a couple requests to have BulbaBot start editing the appropriate links to accommodate this template, but those requests haven't been responded to yet. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:39, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok. I'll change it to "form".--Rocket Grunt 16:44, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


Do no just ignore the hidden message, it's there for a reason. "You" doesn't make sense as it is not mimicking "you", it's mimicking Pikachu, and "chu" and "you" are not phonetic.--ForceFire 04:35, 26 December 2021 (UTC)


The background-color property does not need to be added to everything, it only needs to be added it to table headers of sortable tables to make sure the arrows are not overwritten by the background-image property because the background shorthand (which is the property merging all the properties that start with background-) sets its value to initial. --Bfdifan2006something to say? · My work documentation 17:47, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Ok. I just thought I always use background-color so I was surprised it wasn't everywhere.--Rocket Grunt 18:25, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Type effectiveness template

The version B looks good, but I would suggest doing type symbols with names through a better approach.

My suggested version is Grass icon SwSh.pngGrassFighting icon SwSh.pngFighting. It could be even implemented as a template. For general inline use, the template could be Grass icon SwSh.pngGrassFighting icon SwSh.pngFighting.

For the bigger blocks like the first example, it could be implemented like this. The styling of the template could be facilitated with the TemplateStyles extension, which is not on Bulbapedia yet. As for the extension, it allows to use the <templatestyles> tag to specify a CSS stylesheet to be loaded from only when the template is transcluded. One of the best advantages to this is that these don't have to be defined in MediaWiki:Common.css - which is better for participation and bandwidth.

Thicker tags (for the type effectiveness table, etc.)
Template code:
<span class="{{lc:{{{1|normal}}}}} type-box-thick">[[File:{{ucfirst:{{lc:{{{1|normal}}}}}}} icon SwSh.png|30px]]<span class="type-link-thick">[[{{ucfirst:{{lc:{{{1|normal}}}}}}} (type)|{{color|FFF|{{ucfirst:{{lc:{{{1|normal}}}}}}}}}]]</span></span>
:root { --size: 50px; }

.type-box-thick {
    border-radius: calc(var(--size) / 2);
    -moz-border-radius: calc(var(--size) / 2);
    -webkit-border-radius: calc(var(--size) / 2);
    -ms-border-radius: calc(var(--size) / 2);
    -o-border-radius: calc(var(--size) / 2);
    display: inline-flex;
    align-items: center;
    padding: 4px;
    margin: 0 2px;

.type-link-thick {
    margin: 0 10px 0 20px;
    display: inline-block;
    min-width: calc(var(--size) * 1.5);
    text-align: center;
    font-size: larger;

.normal   { background-color: #4D5052; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#919AA2 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.fighting { background-color: #59424B; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#CE416B var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.flying   { background-color: #4D525A; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#8EA8DE var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.poison   { background-color: #524958; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#AA6BC8 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.ground   { background-color: #5A4A42; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#D97845 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.rock     { background-color: #585550; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#C5B78C var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.bug      { background-color: #4D553F; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#91C12F var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.ghost    { background-color: #424952; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#5269AD var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.steel    { background-color: #454D52; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#5A8EA2 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.fire     { background-color: #605045; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#FF9D55 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.water    { background-color: #424E5A; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#5090D6 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.grass    { background-color: #455547; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#63BC5A var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.electric { background-color: #5D5942; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#F4D23C var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.psychic  { background-color: #5E494A; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#F8787E var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.ice      { background-color: #475858; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#73CEC0 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.dragon   { background-color: #374958; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#0B6DC3 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.dark     { background-color: #45454A; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#5A5465 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.fairy    { background-color: #5D4E5D; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#EC8FE6 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }

This utilizes CSS variables. Each variable name must start with two dashes and is case-sensitive. Variables defined in a selector other than :root are only available in that selector, otherwise, they are available in all selectors. The background-color property is also a fallback property in case the browser does not support CSS gradients.

Thinner tags (for most inline use, etc.)
Template code:
<span class="{{lc:{{{1|normal}}}}} type-box-thin">[[File:{{ucfirst:{{lc:{{{1|normal}}}}}}} icon SwSh.png|22px]]<span class="type-link-thin">[[{{ucfirst:{{lc:{{{1|normal}}}}}}} (type)|{{color|FFF|{{ucfirst:{{lc:{{{1|normal}}}}}}}}}]]</span></span>
:root { --size: 30px; }

.type-box {
    border-radius: calc(var(--size) / 2);
    -moz-border-radius: calc(var(--size) / 2);
    -webkit-border-radius: calc(var(--size) / 2);
    -ms-border-radius: calc(var(--size) / 2);
    -o-border-radius: calc(var(--size) / 2);
    display: inline-flex;
    align-items: center;
    padding: 4px;
    margin: 0 2px;

.type-link-thin {
    margin: 0 5px 0 10px;
    display: inline-block;
    min-width: calc(var(--size) * 1.5);
    text-align: center;

.normal   { background-color: #4D5052; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#919AA2 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.fighting { background-color: #59424B; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#CE416B var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.flying   { background-color: #4D525A; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#8EA8DE var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.poison   { background-color: #524958; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#AA6BC8 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.ground   { background-color: #5A4A42; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#D97845 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.rock     { background-color: #585550; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#C5B78C var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.bug      { background-color: #4D553F; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#91C12F var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.ghost    { background-color: #424952; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#5269AD var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.steel    { background-color: #454D52; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#5A8EA2 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.fire     { background-color: #605045; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#FF9D55 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.water    { background-color: #424E5A; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#5090D6 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.grass    { background-color: #455547; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#63BC5A var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.electric { background-color: #5D5942; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#F4D23C var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.psychic  { background-color: #5E494A; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#F8787E var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.ice      { background-color: #475858; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#73CEC0 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.dragon   { background-color: #374958; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#0B6DC3 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.dark     { background-color: #45454A; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#5A5465 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }
.fairy    { background-color: #5D4E5D; background-image: linear-gradient(105deg,#EC8FE6 var(--size),transparent calc(var(--size)) + 1px); }

Sorry for such a long post. Feel free to rate the new template proposal. --Bfdifan2006! Or is he actually Keyacom? 21:39, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow, that's a solution I was looking for. I couldn't figure out the design for these divs. How does it look now? Feel free to do whatever you want this table look like. I hope we could talk to the staff to be allowed to implement it.--Rocket Grunt 22:40, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Designer galleries

Oneofthosedf has already suggested adding galleries to the articles of designers and is waiting consensus. Do not do as you please, if you want something (particularly major) to be added/changed, you ASK. You have been told this way too many times, yet you still refuse to go to the talk page and suggest your changes.--ForceFire 19:19, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Don't make up rules that don't exist, wiki is open for everyone so all types of changes could be made. It's not even a big change so I don't see why it would need to be talked over so much. You can just turn them all back, so while you decide, it could be done. That's very arbitrary to choose this over anything else. Competent staff wouldn't even require everyone to be waiting, especially not about pages that were left abandoned for years, unless it's something really big like release of a new game. Pure text clashes with the style of the whole site, it needs more images.--Rocket Grunt 19:41, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
It's basic wiki etiquette. You can change a sentence, but you can't just change an entire structure willy nilly. It's that simple. It does not need to be written down to "exist", it's just basic "what not to do". And it is a major change as you are changing the structure of the article, even if the way it is currently clashes with other elements on the article. You should still ask.--ForceFire 19:53, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
It's a change from a list to a gallery. Very simple change. One staff member should be enough to take a look and quickly decide if it's a good change, needs to be corrected or bad. If you care more about hampering users's work than about the quality of the site, we will have more arguments.--Rocket Grunt 19:59, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
The general rule is, Bulbapedia is NOT yours. Bulbapedia handling belongs to the staff. There might be someone who actually disagrees with the design, not the change itself. The staff won't bite if you ask. As for the galleries, the idea looks great in my opinion.
Also, I took some time to fix a LOT of errors with the galleries on your userpage. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 21:00, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Sorry for another message, but I didn't realize this was moved to Oneofthosedf's sandbox before I tried to re-add these to your userpage. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 21:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
I see. Fun fact, the template "{{subst:N2Num|<Pokémon's name>}}" doesn't work inside gallery tag so I had to save it somewhere and then could work on it.--Rocket Grunt 21:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi! ForceFire just approved the galleries. I'm thankful for your work in my sandbox, you saved me a lot of work, and if you want to, you can add them yourself to the individual pages. I'd feel weird just going around pasting your work onto the mainspace. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 14:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
That wouldn't be a problem at all, but I'll add them.--Rocket Grunt 15:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Cont.: User talk:Bfdifan2006/Template:Stats/LA#Defense over 100

Sorry for splitting up this discussion (which I usually don't do), but I wanted to ask you if I actually fixed the template so the Defense field is not broken. Showing Therian Enamorus because you showed the screenshot with the issue showing its base stats:

Stat Range
At Lv. 50 At Lv. 100
181 - 267 288 - 374
157 - 295 247 - 400
151 - 285 238 - 387
182 - 334 283 - 453
139 - 266 220 - 360
74 - 155 122 - 209
Other Pokémon with this total
  • Minimum stats are calculated with an effort level of 0 and (if applicable) a hindering nature.
  • Maximum stats are calculated with an effort level of 10 and (if applicable) a helpful nature.

Does it now display as expected? (I did ask you there, but you didn't answer, so I brought this up here.) --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 14:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Yea, It doesn't break anymore, great! I also asked about it on the mainspace template because shame that the words "nature" don't fit in one line at the bottom.--Rocket Grunt 15:15, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Also, about the main stats template, I wrote on its talk page for a suggested change I also did for my PLA stat template. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 18:00, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Let's hope someone will read our suggestions.--Rocket Grunt 18:07, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Alleged designers table

  • For the table of Pokémon icons, I actually recommend using a CSS grid. For Ken Sugimori, it might look just like this:
Ken Sugimori
  • The maximum width for the grid:
    • It could be calculated as , where:
      • is the number of child elements intended to be in each row
      • is the width of each child element
      • is the column gap
    • , so this grid's max width is 748 pixels.
  • I know the pointer-events property being set to none is annoying, but it's there so negative space (the one that overlaps another Pokémon's icon) isn't linked. If you select all images like if you were selecting text, you'll see how much the sprites here overlap. I know there are possible values such as fill or, arguably the best, paintedVisible, but these aren't applied here because, at the moment, they only work for SVGs. If you so eagerly want to check progress on how raster images (JPGs, PNGs, etc.) will be handled by this, track this issue.

--Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 19:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. In this case, I would prefer table. As you can see I added colored cells, which wouldn't really work in this grid.--Rocket Grunt 18:05, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
These still work in grids though, you just need to add the specific colors to the <div>s representing the icons. In that case, the table will just look like this (with the new Pokémon you added):
Ken Sugimori
Grids are also easier to fix. Currently, Slowbro should have been after Slowpoke, but is after Magneton. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 19:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Fine. Since you insist.--Rocket Grunt 20:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
I just noticed that using a flexbox is slightly better, as it allows to use an absolute length unit for the max width. To not center the last row, justify-content: flex-start; can be used. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 21:04, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Honestly, I don't even understand this at this point but ok.--Rocket Grunt 23:18, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

A little help

Hi, how are you? I saw that you understand a little bit about this Galleries formatting thing and was also working on some. I wanted to know if you can help me, I created a gallery here and the images were side by side, do you know what I should do to leave one on top of the other? Do you think it's better to use this style to place the images or is it better to try another way? Because I don't think there is any image or scene with the other Gym Leaders in the anime like that.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 21:50, 09 March 2022 (UTC)

Galleries here are really unfortunate. As I understand it, the issue is with the middle image having the same width like the wide images? I figured something like this below could work. If galleries are the problem, you could just make a table for images like are used for character artworks [1].--Rocket Grunt 23:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

--Rocket Grunt 23:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. --Hikaru Wazana (talk) 12:58, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

New templates

I created User:Bfdifan2006/Template:TypeIcon for PLA-like type tags, and I think this can be used well in the type effectiveness table. I am aware of the fact the Normal- and Fighting-type icons look slightly off on mobile, but otherwise, it's fine. I can fix that later.

Also, what do you think of my User:Bfdifan2006/Doc template? I had it for quite a while in my userspace, but today, I tweaked it so it now can use a flexbox. (I don't exactly know how to make the page action field to the right of the title for the text "Documentation of template {{Example}}" if the viewport is wide enough.) --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 21:33, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be simpler to use image icons? Also, if you have downloaded image dump for PLA, there are white type icons with transparent background which could take Bulbapedia's type colors.
You want to document all templates? It would be cool, but really a lot of work.--Rocket Grunt 20:38, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
  1. Yes, but the ones we have on the Archives have space around them. My version has less unneeded space.
  2. At least those ones that some people might think is more tedious to use. These are to make sure the template descriptions can be still contributed to by normal users. Mostly, it's to make sure the template documentation does not need to be on the template's talk page, which some people (including me) find to be a confusing "decision". In short, this is to facilitate access to template use instructions.
--Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 21:20, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Category removals

May I ask, why are you removing perfectly valid categories from Trainer articles? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Let's keep this discussion there: [2]. I would rather said perfectly invalid, because ForceFire said himself one Pokemon is not enough and most of them were such cases.--Rocket Grunt 19:59, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


From this page, I now know you did 500+ mainspace edits in a single day. Congrats for this feat! Once a staff member checks and approves that, you can add {{User 500 Day}} to your user page.

Also, I already dealt with the moves introduced in LGPE, SwSh, and PLA. --Bfdifan2006 15:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Ha ha, thanks. Replacing one thing on 800+ pages feels like cheating, but I'll prented it isn't. I did see you added "No Eggs Discovered" color template page. I hope I didn't disturb you if you planned to do this.--Rocket Grunt 15:40, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
I didn't plan on replacing anything at all, but some time after you started doing this, I worked my way from the bottom of the list of moves to cause the smallest possible number of edit conflicts. I felt you were going for the goal of 500+ mainspace edits in 1 day, so I stopped after LGPE moves. --Bfdifan2006 15:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
I really didn't want to leave it halfway done so it had to be done in one sitting. Thank you very much.--Rocket Grunt 15:55, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Moving pages

Do not move pages without permission as you did in moving Game-exclusive Pokemon to Version-exclusive Pokémon. The final decision for things like mainspacing, moving, merging, or splitting is up to staff.

The only reason I'm not blocking you already is because I don't feel comfortable doing it without someone having an explicit warning. But since your comment on the talk page shows that you know that staff are supposed make the decision, this is your one and only warning. The next time you move a page without permission, you will be blocked.

Abcboy has decided that the new name can stay. But don't mistake that for any kind of pardon. If the same circumstances occur again (you move a page, and it's decided that it's better there than moving it back), you will be blocked regardless. If you are anxious that a page isn't being attended, contact someone on staff. You can contact anyone on staff, or the head of whatever subject the page covers (like head of games, abcboy, for the game-exclusives page), or someone on the Editorial Board (who must collectively decide some pages).

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Tiddlywinks (talk) 04:46, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

TL;DR: Talk before moving. Not everyone may agree with your opinion. Wait for consensus and staff approval. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 07:00, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
Knowing the staff here it's more effective to do something and get banned instead of talking or asking and getting no response. If you really mean it, maybe do something about topic I brought a long time ago and somehow nothing has changed. A bunch of random users VOTED to name it "Sabrina's Haunter" which was never true and somhow it stayed here. I hope the staff will finally start resoving these types of debates which last years or else I'll have to do it myself.--Rocket Grunt 21:38, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
I think "Sabrina's Haunter" is more correct, because Ash never really owned Haunter, and it's no longer with him anyway. Voting is a perfectly acceptable way to decide something like this, IMO. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 23:20, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

As I've said before, my opinion is that we should have at least one general-purpose discussion page, which can be named Bulbapedia:Discussion or something else. Maybe even a "fun" name like Bulbapedia:Union Room or Bulbapedia:Village pump (like Wikipedia). That seems to be normal for all big wikis. Bulbapedia is arguably the odd one out for not having one of those after all those years. (Bulbapedia talk:Editor's Hub has been used a little sometimes, but I don't think that counts.)

It's true that we need to wait for staff approval before mainspacing, moving, merging, or splitting. Team Rocket Grunt: I think that moving from Game-exclusive Pokémon to Version-exclusive Pokémon was probably an improvement, although you broke that rule. As for that Haunter, it's really "Sabrina's Haunter" right? It stayed with Sabrina. I think we normally use the name of the last known person (as opposed to Ash's and later Sabrina's Haunter, but don't take this one seriously lol).

You know, I'm used to some other wikis like Wikipedia and Wiktionary where people would discuss / vote / be bold (and sometimes revert) rather than wait for staff approval, so in those wikis that kind of edit would be probably fine.

However, it seems that this was not the first controversy between you and the staff. I know you said "it's more effective to do something", but if you were blocked indefinitely because of issues like these, then obviously you would not able to do anything anymore. I don't know about all your past edits, but I like some of your edits so I would like you to stay and help Bulbapedia if possible.

If we had a proper discussion page like Bulbapedia:Union Room (or another name), as an admin I would like to encourage people to use it (you know, where admins and other people could see) before doing those kinds of edits. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 07:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I totally agree with your idea, Daniel Carrero. However, the name "Village pump" won't really fit here due to the impression that we are indeed copying Wikipedia but filling it with mostly Pokémon content, so the name should be Pokémon-related, such as "Union Room" (derived from the Union Room). This name is quite fun, to be honest. Having one centralized wiki discussion is arguably much better than having easily ignorable discussions all over the place.
Once the page gets created, a link to it should probably be in the sidebar for easy access. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 08:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
I too would love such a discussion page. As Bfdifan2006 said, a lot of discussions get swept under the rug because they're just tucked away in a random talk page. With a discussion page we'd have a nice centralized place where we could gather and discuss significant changes. Landfish7 08:30, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
FinnishPokéFan92: No matter what you think, your opinion is not more important than anyone elses. As you can see in this very disussion, you can't decide the name of the page is fine, but you can question that so the "move" template has to stay.
Daniel Carrero: Totally! One discussion room would be perfect. In case of "Sabrina's Haunter", since it has not been caught I think it really should be called "Haunter (anime)", we have no idea if it really stayed with her. The only problem with the staff I had was with Force Fire who is hard to convince but we always have some resolution. I was banned once and it was just him overreacing for no reason and being prejudicial, like he is LITERALLY NOW for SUGGESTING name change.--Rocket Grunt 12:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
Ash's Larvitar and Mallow's Shaymin are examples of Pokémon whose article names count them as someone's Pokémon, despite them never being caught. Haunter fits that same description just fine. I personally support FF's opinion regarding Haunter's page name. It was decided in a fair a majority vote. Even if it happened years ago, it still counts. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:05, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
These two exaples show very well why it shouldn't be "Sabrina's Haunter" and should be "Ash's Haunter". These Pokemon spent airtime with these characters and weren't just seen left with them.--Rocket Grunt 18:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:19, 15 May 2022 (UTC)


"Confirmed though Attract or Cute Charm"

Didn't want to edit your user page without your permission: "though" should be "through". Landfish7 23:34, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

I'm fine with correcting my spelling and mistakes. Thanks.--Rocket Grunt 17:32, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Edit conflict

Please do not edit war. The trivium on the Signature Move page was fine as it was. Landfish7 18:13, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

I can say the same thing. You wanted it to be shorter and simpler and I did it. I also added new information which is relevant to the trivium.--Rocket Grunt 20:42, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Normally when someone starts a discussion it's polite to wait for a consensus or specific agreement/go ahead before rushing in to make changes. And no, me reverting you once would not typically be considered edit warring, especially considering your edit had and still has multiple issues such as poor grammar and syntax. You reverting me twice regarding the same edit, however, can constitute as such. Landfish7 21:10, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Userspace policy

Just a reminder to be mindful of the userspace policy, just don't go overboard. Thanks.--ForceFire 07:50, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

No. You can look up here: User_talk:Team_Rocket_Grunt#Userspace_limits--Rocket Grunt 08:39, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
If you want to showcase an overhaul to a page, put it in your userspace. Do not just add it and remove it. Additionally, if you're worried about people thinking you're going over the userspace limit, you should consider what staff has already suggested to you and put it in a subpage instead of directly on your main userpage. Landfish7 23:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
You aren't part of the staff, please don't act like you can instruct or enforce any rules.--Rocket Grunt 12:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
I am absolutely allowed to remind you of the rules. I'm not allowed to threaten you or tell you "you'll get blocked if you do xyz", but otherwise yeah. Landfish7 18:19, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Show me this rule.--Rocket Grunt 19:17, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
You can read our userpage policy [3]--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 19:51, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
I don't see such rule there, but anyway, I was thinking about asking you, BigDocFan, could you add your opinion in this topic?--Rocket Grunt 20:01, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Doing as you please

Once again, you must be reminded on this. Do not go around making largescale edits without permission, especially if you are going to just undo yourself. That makes it completely unnecessary and almost vandal-like. If you want to showcase a suggestion, do so in your userspace, stop going around acting like the site is your play thing. Before you cry "it's not in any policies", it's common sense. Not everything needs to be written down, particularly when it comes to common sense things. Also, I was being pretty lenient in my reminder in the previous discussion, but your snarky response suggests you don't want me to be lenient. It doesn't matter if you're making mainspace ideas, it doesn't make you above policy or of higher authority, you still need to abide by it.

So next time you have some giant suggestion, make a userpage. Do not make such an unnecessary edit.--ForceFire 15:10, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I already replied in your talk page.--Rocket Grunt 15:17, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Okay, your version of the type expert article is an amazing improvement and I prefer it over the wholly text-based one. You just needed to ask before such a significant change. --Bfdifan2006 (T/C) 14:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Thank you!--Rocket Grunt 17:30, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Attitude towards admin

I saw your post on the Trial Captain talk page and find it rather disrespectful towards a senior member of staff, this won't be tolerated so I am warning you now, myself and the other admin team work hard to keep Bulbapedia friendly and you could easily receive a block.--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 20:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

If you read it then you should know Inkster was using Glik's words as an argument which could easily be taken out of context or changed if talked about more. The discussions about ages are very tricky and I've seen staff themselves having troubles with it which is understandable. I don't believe in the individual members of the staff having the only and final opinion on such matters and I believe everyone should have voice to talk about it and make their own opinions how to present such information on the wiki because this topic requires a lot of thinking and multiple perspectives.--Rocket Grunt 20:50, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
Honestly at this point, I think characters' ages should not be posted at all unless they are specifically stated. Tired of seeing people try to calculate the age of a character that has no confirmed age (Trial Captains, Mustard, the timegap between GSC/DPPt and BW (not a character but you get the point), player characters, and Mina). Inkster (talk) 21:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Status condition

Hey. About your table design in the "status condition" page. I think it probably used too much space in the middle for the list of moves, and too little space at the right for the short text about the condition. I wouldn't mind discussing big design changes, but if anything I think the text should be the main thing, right? Most of those status changes have their own pages anyway like Confusion (status condition) and Infatuation (I created some of them), so I'm thinking the list of moves (and the long texts detailing game mechanics), as well as related abilities, can be found in those separate pages instead of in the "status condition" page. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 03:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Gen 2 footprints

What's up with the Gen 2 footprint images? It seems pretty clear that (for example) the images for 50-75 should really be for 40-65, and there is no way that File:F0079gen2.png is supposed to be for anything other than Bellsprout. Were they just out of order in the place you found the images from? --Neumannz (talk) 16:26, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I had some of them numbered incorrectly and sent numbers 20 to 99 like that. I corrected them yesterday, but this site needs a few days to update.--Rocket Grunt 16:40, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Gotcha. --Neumannz (talk) 18:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Reverted my edit

Hi, I wanted to ask about you reverting my edit on Ash's Staraptor. This image is very low quality, and in fact looks like it was originally a much smaller image that was scaled up larger. There's no source listed for it on the image page, and I can't find the source myself. It also clashes stylistically with the other images in the gallery, it's an isolated anime render when the other images are drawings only relating to the anime. Basically my point is that I disagree that all art should be displayed. I think this image has multiple other issues besides being low quality. Minibug (talk) 13:32, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

If there's an art and it's in low quality it still should be displayed because then someone will know bigger version is needed and upload it. Look at other Sinnoh Pokemon of main characters, they also have these arts. I'm pretty sure they come from the Japanese exclusive episodes. I'll try to find and upload better versions.--Rocket Grunt 16:38, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Force Fire

I'm wondering what is going on myself, we can't be sure right now, either Force Fire decided to leave Bulbapedia or his account was hacked.--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 16:58, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok, for real. We really need someone who has a contact with him.--Rocket Grunt 17:02, 14 June 2023 (UTC)


Hey! Why did you "simplify" the tables? Don't really see the point. I merged the cells so we wouldn't have to add the form names, but this way, we'd kind of have to. Feels weird to leave Ash-Greninja just as Greninja right next to the base form. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 15:13, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

There were a few problems. Sometimes single cell was left empty while another Pokemon was pushed to the next line (like after Gredent in "Rodent" section) or some Pokemon with forms weren't split into two lines forcing wider table (like Zoroark in "Fox" section). I thought that form names weren't necessary, they were often omitted, like none Pokemon was "Alolan", and only some were "Galarian".--Rocket Grunt 15:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Underleveled trainer Pokémon page structure

Hello! Firstly, I want to say the page is looking very nicely and I commend you for your hard work on the page! I'm also glad that my old page was able to help with structuring your page! What I came to ask is would it be better if the Underleveled trainer Pokémon section was ordered by Pokémon by national dex number rather than by location alphabetically? I feel this would make the page easier to structure when ordering the Pokémon as there will be bound to have more entries added to that page. Nikuriku (talk) 13:38, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't really bothering with the order in Trainer's Pokemon lists, that's true, and it still needs to be sorted out, but I was convinced that the final order would be by the order of locations the player visits. I could make the tables sortable by the Pokemon. Honestly, I imagine seeing 20 Seaking on top each other and that would look awkward to me, but if you really want that then sure.--Rocket Grunt 17:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
It's more of a suggestion and I'm happy with whatever works but it was because some tables were arranged by location order and others weren't. I would say ordering the table by order of location the player visits might get a bit subjective as some games you can visit different areas in other orders rather than follow a linear path. Would sorting the locations by alphabetical order be in alternate idea? Another thing I wanted to ask is that I assume the wild underleveled Pokemon only counts the ones found at their lowest level rather than every instance of an underleveled Pokemon? Nikuriku, Bulbapedia and Archives Junior Administrator (talk) 01:08, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
I tried to sort Trainer Pokemon by the story and made them sortable by the species. I hope it works. Yes, only the lowest levels of wild underleveled Pokemon are listed. That was the data everyone else was gathering. My work was collecting trainer's Pokemon. I think I'm finished with this page. It's free real estate for editors now.--Rocket Grunt 22:32, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

New additions

I think a lot of those new additions to the Reshi643 page are unnecessary, and kind of dilute the point of the page. Like, Munna being "based on" flowers or the Latis being birds or Bergmite being a literal mite (mite can also mean small creature). Braixen and Timburr being Pokémon based on wood (or Pancham being leaf-based, Passimian being coconut-based) is also seriously stretching it. I think the page deliberately kept out these extremely obvious and non-obvious sources of inspiration, at least that's how I always edited it. That's not to say I have an issue with everything, the yeast, llama, and platypus section additions are all fine for example. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 18:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Well, I'm just not really sure were to draw the line. What about Farfetch'd as onion? Technically, it's still a Pokemon without its leak, but it's an essential part of it. I think I agree with what you're saying, but I would argue that Bergmite looks very animal-like.--Rocket Grunt 19:06, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
If it's not fused to the Pokémon's body, I say we should remove the reference. I think of Bergmite simply just as a creature design. It doesn't strike me as an insect or a turtle or any particular animal, just a rock (in this case block of ice) designed to be a living thing. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 22:01, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
Ok, how about now? --Rocket Grunt 19:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Went through it, these are my notes: rename the caterpillar section to larva section. Caterpillar only refers to Lepidopterans, so we probably should have renamed this much earlier. Bee, beetle and mantis larvae aren't caterpillars. I think the Porygon line can go to the duck section. I'd remove the Magby line completely, the bird-inspiration is way too vague and it's not even necessarily based on bird, but a bird-headed deity. Indeedee should go to human-based. The Slowpoke line just doesn't scream primarily hippo to me at all. I say put it back to the vague mammalian category along with Audino. Remove Breloom, the Capsakid line and the Duraludon line from reptilians. Remove Volcanion entirely. Rest is OK. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 20:11, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Breloom can't be just a mushroom. Some consider it a reptile, some a kangaroo and it's also a human boxer. You sure it doesn't fit anywhere else?--Rocket Grunt 21:37, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
All the inspirations are just too vague on the final design to me. Breloom feels like its own thing, a unique creature. If I'm forced to pick one, it would be kangaroo because of the jumping animation. It not learning a single Dragon move, like Dragon Tail or Dragon Claw, I think is a strong point against being in the lizard category. Oneofthosedf (talk) (contribs) 21:54, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
Ok, done. I hope you like it!--Rocket Grunt 18:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)