User talk:Force Fire

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Master Trainers

In light of the edit warring, seeking an opinion before adding it to the page -- the Rhyhorn and Rhydon master trainers, Farkas and Eugene, seem to be a reference to Bulk and Skull from Power Rangers. For what it has to do with the characters, the Dinosaur-like design of Rhydon, or the tough guy demeanor of the two, could be points of note. Drake Clawfang (talk) 05:58, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

I can see that, both points are valid enough connections.--ForceFire 06:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Cool, thanks. Drake Clawfang (talk) 06:13, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
What about the ones that were removed? In my eyes, they're perfectly valid references and thus worthy of being there. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:58, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
If you'd notice, Drake Clawfang provided two other points other than their names. That's why I accepted that one, and not the ones I removed.--ForceFire 13:05, 2 January 2019 (UTC)


Hey, heads up. Mckenzie6361 (talk · contribs) has quite the talk page. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 18:02, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Dealt with.--ForceFire 03:31, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Special spawns

How should these so called "special spawns" be added to the Let's Go encounter lists? Without them, the lists remain incomplete. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:59, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

It's one of the things the other staff members have been discussing.--ForceFire 13:05, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
How's it going? Earlier today, a user came to me asking about it as well. What's keeping them from being added? Haven't you yet reached an agreement on how to display them or something? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:54, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
The way Chosen implemented them was the main suggestion, which I'm not against.--ForceFire 04:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Articles for the mainspace

I've got several character and location pages completed, I was hoping you could have a look over them and hopefully move them to the mainspace if deemed notable and complete enough. The Marina Group page is needing only images, but I'll wait to see if you think it is notable or not. Also, all of the articles previously marked as not notable can now been deleted, as all the information on those pages has been placed into the Recurring wild Pokémon in the anime. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 03:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

I'll look at all your suggested userpages at some point.--ForceFire 04:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Articles that are fine for mainspacing:
User:PardescanSlowbro/Bewear's Den
User:PardescanSlowbro/Pokémon hunters (M21)
User:PardescanSlowbro/Pokémon poacher (M04)
Articles I'm a little unsure of (they're notability), get second opinions:
User:PardescanSlowbro/Luka's great-grandfather
User:PardescanSlowbro/News Crew (M03)
User:PardescanSlowbro/Misty Village
User:PardescanSlowbro/Mountain Lighthouse
User:PardescanSlowbro/Unnamed Island (EP060)
Notable, but needs much more work
User:PardescanSlowbro/Coumarine City Festival
User:PardescanSlowbro/The Marina Group
For User:PardescanSlowbro/Pershie, it's not notable as of right now. Just wait and see if it does anything major in future episodes.--ForceFire 05:59, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
What about all the mainspace candidates I suggested earlier last year? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:56, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Tide Song Hotel and Kantonian Gym? Never got a definite answer on whether those are needed or not, at the time I asked. Haven't really asked again since other things took priority. Looker events can be made.--ForceFire 11:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Force Fire, feel free to move the ready articles onto the mainspace and I'll continue to work on the others. Thanks again. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 06:48, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
I've actually already moved the ones that were approved--BigDocFan (talk) 07:50, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks BigDocFan. I hadn't noticed because the links on my userpage are still connected to the articles, I'm not sure how the redirects are deleted though, but in the past I've seen admins move pages without leaving a redirect. Thanks. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:28, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
I've deleted the redirects. Admins have the ability to move pages without leaving a redirect behind.--ForceFire 09:35, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. PardescanSlowbro (talk) 09:36, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Do you know of any Bulbapedian(s) who know proper Korean & Chinese romanizations?

I just finished editing and formatting my List of common phrases from fortune-teller tents (Festival Plaza) in other languages. However, I am not yet asking you to check if it is worthy of mainspacing, but rather ask you a side question: Do you know of any Bulbapedia contributor(s) fluent in Korean who can review the Korean romanizations in my page above and make any corrections there? And/or any Chinese-fluent Bulbapedian(s) who can do the same thing for the pinyin in the same page? Thankee! --SilSinn (TIDs: 768426S, 123446UM) (talk) 09:26, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Check the Staff page to see who's fluent in what (although it doesn't say who's fluent in Korean). I don't know of any normal user that can speak and knows either language.--ForceFire 09:38, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
The only reason Korean isn’t mentioned there is because there is no Korean wiki in Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis. The Staff page mentions two admins with knowledge of Chinese, 超龍Chao and Carmen (Talk | contribs), so I just asked them for reviewing at least the Chinese pinyin in my page. Carmen’s userpage says she knows some Korean, so I also asked her about the romaja in my draft article. Thankee! --SilSinn (TIDs: 768426S, 123446UM) (talk) 10:25, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Template: Item for LGPE

Thanks for updating the Template: Item. I already updated the Candy page for the update. It appears that the PE doesn't show up properly, however.

Just one other request: do you think you can change all the "lgpe" to just "pe" for the sake of consistent conventions? Thanks. TehPerson (talk) 17:49, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Fixed the issue with the game abbreviation. Also changed every instance of lgpe to pe.--ForceFire 03:53, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
The template works now (eg in Candy and Berry). While we're on the issue of updating templates, can you take a quick look at Template:Stats and Template:Pokémon/7? It's been a while since they've been updated for LGPE, so I made my tested versions of those templates and left the test cases in their respective Talk pages. Thanks! TehPerson (talk) 19:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Oranguru's Place

Last year, I asked abcboy whether User:BigDocFan/Oranguru's Place was good for mainspacing, his only complaint about the article was its name and would speak with other admin about it. This was sometime ago and I haven't heard anything back though I have asked him about it.--BigDocFan (talk) 09:08, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

I've asked the other admins, awaiting a response. Personally, I don't think it's notable since it was only important for one episode. But since this series is on-going, it could be important in a future episode (thus could change my mind).--ForceFire 11:46, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

My trivia on protect and hidden power

First, I wrote "learned by most species", not "used by most species". Pokemon use struggle; they do not learn struggle. Second, I looked through the entire list of near-universal TM moves, and protect and hidden power really were the most universal of all of them. sumwun (talk) 05:14, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Don't add back removed trivia. I can see from the table on the TM page that their are several moves that are near universal. Attract, Frustration, Rest, Return so on so forth.--ForceFire 06:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Bewear Rescues

Was wondering if User:BigDocFan/Bewear Rescues might be worth mainspacing as a running gag?--BigDocFan (talk) 17:33, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

The table could be presented a bit better. I think it's fine to have an article about, though ask for second opinions.--ForceFire 04:44, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Pointless edits

One day, I was checking the log of blocked users and saw a handful being blocked for 30 days for “making pointless edits”. How does Bulbapedia define pointless edit and could you provide a few examples of what could be considered to be pointless edits (so that I do not make the same mistakes and end up like those monthly losers)? ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 05:26, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Depends on the edit. Changing sentences to say the exact same thing as it was before, adding info and immediately reverting yourself, adding unecessary white space, are some of the examples.--ForceFire 06:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Underleveled Pokémon page

I'm requesting that we should start a page with a list of all underleveled Pokémon owned by the trainers (excluding the Pokémon from the battle facilities). I detected that in Gen II games, if you chose Cyndaquil, Silver has a level 16 Croconaw, but its lowest natural level is 18. TheICTLiker4 (talk) 07:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Spriteit has a userpage that covers underleveled Pokémon.--ForceFire 07:43, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Does Spriteit’s page qualify for mainspacing? Because userpages do not get a lot of traffic and do not usually show up in search engine results. ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 15:32, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
In its current state, probably not. If anyone wants to know, just give them the link to the userpage and they'll edit it. Don't worry about it not getting "traffic". It'll get traffic if you share it around.--ForceFire 03:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Usertags for tagging suspected sockpuppets and their sockmasters

I just made two usertag templates that could be worth your attention as to whether they could be approved for templatespacing:

Admins could use these usertags for temporarily tagging sockpuppets and sockmasters on their userpages (at least until such pages are hit with Perish Song) in a fashion not unlike what is done on Wikipedia (where they use wp:Template:Sockpuppet and wp:Template:Sockpuppeteer for the same purpose). ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 01:54, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Just because Wikipedia does a thing, does not mean we have to do the same. We have our own rules and guidelines, and they have theirs. I don't think it's necessary. At all. It's basically throwing around accusations at possibly innocent users, even if you have all those parameters.--ForceFire 03:51, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Well, at least I hope you understood my choice of Pokémon (Shuppet for sockpuppet, Hypno for sockmaster) for the usertags, even if they were just defeated with Perish Song. At least I had fun practicing complex wikicode conditionals. ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 04:44, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for vandalising

So, how it happened. My brother was joking around, and did like, that, and he clicked on Save, though he didn't want to. Dunno how you can mistake left click with right click, but sorry :( - unsigned comment from SeeYaLater (talkcontribs)

Links to fan sites and theory sites

Do we provide such links or references in any article? Or is it the same problem of copyrights to avoid them? Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 15:15, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Using fan sites and theory sites as references are not allowed, the former because they are fan sites and the latter because theories are mostly just speculation and rumors. Also depends on what you're asking about.--ForceFire 15:45, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
Aging in the anime. Can this page cover Ash's age theories? Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 16:36, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
While the page is basically fan speculation, referencing theory sites is still not allowed.--ForceFire 03:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok. But adding theories is allowed? If not, then I suppose someone would have called for deleting a page like this... Eastern Goldfinch (talk) 20:01, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Creating a new page on how Gastly can learn the punch moves.

So, you can say it's kinda a theory. But I'm not stretching anything at all, not even medium. Just some good ol' theory. - unsigned comment from SeeYaLater (talkcontribs)

Read Gastly's biology section.--ForceFire 16:19, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


Was wondering if you could check if Gladion's Umbreon and User:05308/Gladion's Lycanroc were notable enough to be mainspaced?--BigDocFan (talk) 17:25, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I've brought them up with the others.--ForceFire 03:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Request to delete unneeded redirect

I had just renamed a draft template in my userspace, leaving behind a redirect. I now want an admin to delete the now-unneeded redirect page:

  • User:SilSinn9801/Fashion/middle (Abcboy (talk) already deleted it, so don’t worry about this one)

​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

I also request the deletion of these two no-longer-needed draft templates:

​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 22:27, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 03:43, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


so do u really think safari balls should be listed under items? i sure as hell dont. i dont think of that entry being helpful/important at all. --EternalDragonX (talk) 12:52, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't have a solid opinion on this. I don't mind either way.--ForceFire 04:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)


Was wondering if the following websites are acceptable sources wallpaper?

Should I add this to the Excape from Gengar's mansion thing (btw this is daytime)? If so, I can't do that because it's not a thing in Bulbapedia on it's own. SeeYaLater (sandbox) (talk) 18:33, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Minigames from aren't notable for their own articles.--ForceFire 04:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Generation VII remake Pokémon

I was writing about it in the sense that all previous remakes have the ability to receive all Pokemon from all generations up until that game, either during the postgame or storyline. LGPE regress on this and only allows for the original 151 plus Meltan and Melmetal. Argentarus (talk) 06:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I think post-game shouldn't count, since it's obvious that post game will have mons from outside the original generation. If LGPE adds Meltan and Melmetal, then that obviously makes the trivia false.--ForceFire 12:33, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Then maybe more like "its the first remake to limit its own National Dex down to the generation that is being remade throughout the entire game". Pokemon from Gens 2-7, besides Meltan and Melmetal, can't be sent from GO and don't exist in the game as obtainable Pokemon.
FireRed and LeafGreen, even though the Gen 2 and 3 Pokemon only appear in the postgame, counts as it and all of the other remakes are being viewed in their entirety. FRLG has data for the Pokemon from the first three generations, they exist as obtainable Pokemon in the data. LGPE is the first remake where we don't get Pokemon from the later generations, besides Meltan and Melmetal, throughout the entire game; it sticks pretty closely to first generation's Pokedex besides the two mythicals and Alolan formes. Argentarus (talk) 23:10, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
"besides Meltan and Melmetal". That already makes the trivia false. They're in the game, therefore it is not limited to the original listing.--ForceFire 06:00, 16 January 2019 (UTC)


Received a message on my talk page from DoveSmith which reads Please stop your disruptive editing as you did to Anela. You may be blocked from editing Bulbapedia if you continue. From what I can tell, I did little wrong to warrant the message, especially as he isn't admin so thought I would ask you as admin about this just to clarify any issues.--BigDocFan (talk) 10:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Trying to make my show/hide usertag box work correctly...

My problem with expandable usertag boxes… (link to my PhotoBucket-stored image)

I am trying to turn my ridiculously-long box of usertags into a simple box of expandable usertag fields (using your infobox template as an idea), but I am not getting the results I want. If you see my PhotoBucket image above, you’ll see that I specified my headers to be horizontally centered within the box, but they only stay centered when they are collapsed; when I expand them by clicking on Show, they move to the far right (leaving a ridiculously-large gap to the left), and the usertags below such headers, rather than filling the whole width of the box, only fill an amount equal to the void to the left of the headers (leaving unsightly gaps to their right). This is my current partial wikicode:

{|style="{{roundy|16px}}; text-align:center; border:2px solid #000; background:#000; color: #fff; margin-right:8px; margin-bottom:8px; float:right; font-size:90%; width:320px;"
|'''{{Anchor|Usertags|Additional Usertags}}'''
{|width="100%" class="expandable" style="{{roundy|10px}}; text-align:center; background:red; color:#000; font-size:13.5px;"
!style="{{roundy|9px}}; background:#000; color:#fff; text-align:center"|''Personal stats''
|{{User Country|628|the United States|0000DD|DD0000|FFFFFF}}
<!-- other usertags below the Personal stats header -->
<!-- other expandable boxes containing additional usertags under different headers -->

I want both my headers and my usertags to fill the whole width of the box when expanded, rather than having headers to the right and usertags to the left. How do I fix this? ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM) (talk) 00:20, 16 January 2019 (UTC)