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Inkster

While I've already posted on their talk page, I did want to bring this up to a staff member as well. I believe that Inkster's behavior on the wiki has become borderline obtrusive, especially in regards to their focus on timeline and age-related matters. Although they have already been partially blocked from multiple pages, I don't think this will be enough to deter their behavior.

They have shown a tendency to flip-flop on their opinions:

  • They have constantly gone back and forth on whether or not Rei/Akari are "around 15".

They also have a very clear history of edit warring (which includes the pages they're currently blocked from, but they also have history with the "Player character" and "History of the Pokémon world" pages as well). PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 15:57, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Just to add a bit more to the code of conduct point I mentioned above. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 13:10, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

How can we merge two images?

Brawl Boss Rayquaza.png the image on the right was tagged as unacceptable due to being hacked but I couldn’t revert it back to the older image so I uploaded a new one. Would it be possible to merge both images so they can use the same filename in any way?

Pikmin3WiiU (talk) 03:28, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

I've reuploaded the image back to the previous image, seems whoever uploaded the emulated image has a history of doing so.--ForceFire 13:00, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

It looks like you reverted back to the hacked image. The guy has also been banned from MarioWiki and SmashWiki for uploading emulated images like this so

Pikmin3WiiU (talk) 13:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

The site's being weird, it shows the correct image on the subspace emissary page amd when you click on the image, it shows the correct version.--ForceFire 17:06, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Chloe: a main character confirmation? (Part 2)

Sorry to resurrect this discussion, but ... Chloe appears among Ash's friends in the new opening, I think it's an indication that she is a main character(or something more than a recurring character), no?I mean, I don't know, in the last episode of Journeys they kind of wanted to put Chloe side by side with Goh and Ash. Especially in the last scene.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 11:02, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree that Chloe has received far more focus than any other supporting character throughout the series, and could honestly be considered something of a pseudo main character at this point.
However, the thing that dissuades me from considering her a main character proper is her lack of appearances throughout Journeys compared to Ash and Goh: She's only appeared in roughly 39% of the main series episodes (and even if only counting episodes beginning with her obtaining Eevee, it's still only a roughly 41% appearance rate). PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 11:14, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Her being one of Ash's friends doesn't change the fact that she's a supporting character. The overall story of Journeys doesn't focus on her, it focuses on Ash and Goh. Landfish7 11:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
I mean, I don't disagree (hence why I described her as a "pseudo main character)". I wasn't arguing in favor of her being considered a main character (quite the opposite, in fact). PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 11:45, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Chloe appears in more episodes than Team Rocket in Journeys, and in fact, since Sun & Moon we have cases of main characters that didn't appear in all the episodes of their origin saga. And I don't understand why my comment ended up here, but anyway...--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 11:53, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
I already explained why I moved it... You posted on an archived talk page, so I simply moved the discussion to the current talk page where it's more relevant.
Team Rocket were main characters for the first three series and continued to appear in all future series as well.
The lowest physical appearance rate for an active human protagonist in a saga is Lana who appeared in roughly 88% of the Alola episodes. This is still a significant difference from Chloe. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 12:05, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
PMJ: I was responding to Hikaru. Sorry for the confusion. Landfish7 12:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Still not listed as such here.--ForceFire 12:58, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

{{Male}}

I saw we have gender templates that I don't think have been used much, so I replaced these on a few templates for consistency and simplicity. Only thing is the bright cyan used on the male template contrasts extremely poorly against Bulbapedia's white background, so I was wondering if you could change it to the blue that we have otherwise been using (#0070f8) or perhaps even something darker like #0055b3.-- 4iamking (talk) 19:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I've changed the color to the first suggested color, definitely more seeable now.--ForceFire 13:03, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Assumptions

Next time, don't make false assumptions about me when you block me. I do take my messages seriously. I just happen to be imprudent by nature, which can make it seem like i mean harm, but no.Eternium-Z (talk) 08:57, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Spambots

BernieceTvd and BernardDupont61 appear to be spambots. Landfish7 04:09, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

Dealt with.--ForceFire 05:07, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Christine64T is another one. Landfish7 01:34, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
HaydenCranswick. Landfish7 00:03, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
MeridithMorehous. Landfish7 06:14, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
WesleyIkx44718. Landfish7 00:38, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
ZaraMoorman008. Landfish7 06:46, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

(resetting indent) DarciAckman461. Landfish7 06:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

This probably counts too. The others with the same kind of edit have already been blocked and deleted. Landfish7 08:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
SangPatrick. Landfish7 09:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Editing while watching the anime?

Hi, I have a question. Am I allowed to edit during the airing of the show or should I wait and edit after the episode is aired? Thanks for answering. (QuickJolteon (talk) 11:47, 1 February 2023 (UTC))

Any edits to an episode during showtime must be made after the show is over. This way, users can edit in one go, rather than in smaller patches.--ForceFire 13:54, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Bruh.

Ok, let's start our long conversation. Grookeyscorbunnysobble is in my school science class, and he's 13 now. You can even check his user tags to prove it, it'll show the same thing. AxewBowser2 (talk) 20:20, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

No need for the attitude, wasn't aware of their birthdate. They've been unblocked.--ForceFire

Beheeyem's Steel Wings

You said that move that Pokemon shouldn't learn trivia goes to move page, but Area 51 reference is unique for Beheeyem.--Rocket Grunt 18:30, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

The area 51 bit is fine to mention.--ForceFire 05:28, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Eternium-Z again

Eternium-Z has made multiple consecutive edits onto the individual articles during the last few days, despite past reminders to use the preview button. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:36, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

A certain user

While I've had my suspicions on this user for a while, I think it might be worth looking into them now.

I'm pretty sure that BlueSparkles is Kittystyler. The pages that they edit are more or less in line with confirmed sockpuppets, and this feels like a classic "Kittystyler adding character relationships to pages" edit, complete with a similar grammar structure. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 00:36, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

I've been monitoring their edits, and while they're similar, it's still circumstantial. They still don't have an IP address that matches previous KittyStyler socks.--ForceFire 05:28, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

TurtwigFan4848

TurtwigFan4848 has been making multiple consecutive edits on Gimmighoul and Gholdengo's pages. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:30, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Eternium-Z

Eternium-Z continues to revert and add things back in with no attempt to discuss it first. Landfish7 06:39, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

There's only so many chances I can give a user...--ForceFire 07:39, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

List of clothing page

Is it alright for me to update the list of clothing page with liko and roy's outfits? (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 22:25, 18 February 2023 (UTC))

Looks like you did it anyway. Don't ask and then do it anyway, have a bit of patience. It's fine, but the empty sections weren't necessary, do I've hid them.--ForceFire 05:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

VILRO

A user names VILRO has been almost exclusively editing JN142 by adding trivia and errors to the article with multiple consecutive edits, despite having been reminded to use the preview button. Plus, the content of their edits seems questionable in terms of notability and grammar. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 00:12, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Hey, I'll take care of this one this time. MaverickNate 00:45, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Much appreciated, MN. The same same seems to be now occurring with JN143. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 22:55, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

This likely isn’t my business to get involved in but I wanted to inform you of Fernandez0907

Fernandez0907 had been banned from Drawception. I’m not too sure what the reason is but it doesn’t matter to me. This guy has been bothering Vellidragon for like more than three months on many different sites about the ban, most notably on WiKirby and SmashWiki. Given that Fernandez0907 is bothering Vellidragon again here, I thought maybe you could permaban.

Pikmin 3 Wii U 02:38, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW WOW WOW WUBBZY

Well, --ForceFire 05:15, 20 February 2023 (UTC) Mr. ForceFire I am very active in the fandom and I very commonly see people discuss shipping, so to say that the idea of shipping has "Died down" would be inaccurate. A better way to put it would be something like "Parts of the fandom have historically been against the idea of shipping, but it is still discussed in some spheres." - unsigned comment from ASIZZLE (talkcontribs)

Shipping still being around here and there is already stated on the article: "conversations about them only occurring in small pockets of the community."--ForceFire 10:25, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry!

Sorry, don't do any deleting (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 12:54, 24 February 2023 (UTC))

I want to rename them (Unless you can) with "Concept Art"

-File:Captain Pikachu.png -File:Professor Friede 2023.png -File:Professor Freed 2023.png (Can you delete this file? It has the character name spelled wrong) (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 12:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC))

Nevermind someone already fixed captain pikachu (Can you delete mine?) (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 12:46, 24 February 2023 (UTC))

Get over it

i am an Ashketchumpikachu sock if ur wondering, but The Incident was a year and a half ago, and i was only testing da system. i never apologized because you friggin' BLOCKED me before i could. can you please let me live? its a new year, a new generation, a new protagonist for the anime, and new beginnings. AshPikachu2023 (talk) 20:21, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Lapras herd

I was wondering if the Lapras herd that had major roles in EP113, EP257 and briefly appeared in JN143 were worthy of their own page?--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 17:44, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

Sure, they're definitely important characters.--ForceFire 08:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
So characters that showed up with only one major role are more deserving of a page than Leon's Charizard, a Pokémon that played a large role in an entire series? Rahl (talk) 11:08, 1 March 2023 (UTC)
The criteria for recurring Pokemon are different from Pokemon owned by Champions. It is not the same thing.--ForceFire 13:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

trainer profile

After the first episode is aired, can I make the trainer profile then? (If it is hers) (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 10:48, 3 March 2023 (UTC))

Yes, the page is in your userpage: User:CuteSylveon42/Liko's Sprigatito, so if it ever happens, just move it back to the mainspace.--ForceFire 11:36, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Is the liko page that you protected in my userpage or is it a different page? (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 12:01, 3 March 2023 (UTC))

You're userpage is not protected.--ForceFire 16:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Not my userpage, the liko page that you moved into my userpage, is that the one you protected, because I make two liko pages and one is deleted. (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 17:24, 3 March 2023 (UTC))

The one in your userspace is not protected. The other I deleted and put a creation protection on it.--ForceFire 05:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, if the upcoming trailers for pokemon 2023 confirms that Sprigatito is liko's, can I move the page as a main page? (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 06:12, 13 March 2023 (UTC))

It can be moved once the episode it gets caught in has aired.--ForceFire 10:15, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Tokyo tv website confirmed liko's partner is Sprigatito, can I put the page up now or wait until the first episode https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pocketmonster2023/chara/) There's also official artwork of Sprigatito. (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 20:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC))

Wait until the first episode airs.--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 21:10, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Does it count for the mysterious turtle pokemon to be "traveling with" Liko since it's in her pendant or does it need to be officially named first before putting it in that section. (This is for Liko's Page) (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 01:43, 15 May 2023 (UTC))

I think having the Pokemon being officially released first should be the main priority for that.--ForceFire 05:00, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

What do you mean by "Someone has to be"? He is the first gym leader to show up in the anime (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 08:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC))

The series is based on Generation IX, so it was inevitable that a Gym Leader from Generation IX would show up, just as they've always shown up in previous series. We don't have things like "Misty is the first Gym Leader to appear in the anime", after all. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 11:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Exactly.--ForceFire 12:19, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

VILRO

A user named VILRO seems to only add errors to episode articles and nothing else. They also repeatedly make multiple edits on one page in a row. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:58, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Pikablu

Pikablu is edit warring on Ash's Incineroar: they consider Nebby as one of Ash's Pokémon, and are using that to dismiss a valid trivia point. Many users have told Pikablu that Nebby was not officially Ash's Pokémon, but they disagree. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:31, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I disagree because the anime has made it very clear they consider it his Pokémon. I’m removing false information. Would you consider Misty’s Togetic not her Pokémon just because it wasn’t put into a ball? What about Mimey and Delia before we saw its Poke Ball? Or iris’s Axew in BW? Not every Trainer-Pokémon relation is dependent on a ball.--Pikablu (talk) 12:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
I've had a similar discussion regarding ownership of Nebby with Rahl last year, my opinion on the matter is that while it doesn't fit our requirement of ownership, the anime has consistently added Nebby in pics relating to Ash's Pokemon so it's fine.--ForceFire 13:32, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Ash Trivia

Hi! Is it too early to have this [1] trivia point on articles such as Ash's Incineroar? Just clarifying, thanks!

Noelephant213 (talk) 01:48, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Latias anime

With Latias having had a major role in three episodes, I was wondering if User:Hikaru Wazana/Latias (anime) was OK to be mainspaced?--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 10:29, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Latias is fine to be mai spaced.--ForceFire 13:35, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
Sadly there is a redirect that goes to the Latias from M05 so I can't mainspace it--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 14:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Fonn

In addition to focusing almost entirely on trivia, most of the trivia they've added contain spelling errors, and some of the trivia they've added is either dubious or straight up untrue (for example, claiming that Greninja reached its final form the fastest out of all of Ash's starter Pokémon when it was Charizard). PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 18:33, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Monarch vs. World Champion

For a while now, Hikaru Wazana has insisted that "Monarch" is dub-only, but since Leon was referred to as "oja" in the Japanese version of JN129, I don't think that's quite true. Additionally, the World Coronation Series page also lists "Monarch" as the term used in the Japanese version.

However, I do know that Ash has been referred to as "Champion" in the Japanese version in regards to his win in the WCS (as opposed to his title of Alola Champion). Could it be that both terms are used interchangeably? PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Hello. Well come on, I'm just using the pattern of the precedent created when they removed the Orange League Champion title from the page in favor of the Honored Trainer title (which supposedly appeared in the original Japanese). I put it that way because the term "Monarch" was only used on Bulbapedia after the airing of the dubbed version of JN012, before that, the site used only the title of World Champion.
I thought it was worth putting this on the Champions page, because the anime explicitly uses the term Champion in the original Japanese (both to refer to Ash and Leon when referring to the world title). And personally I think that the information placed in the Japanese original should override what is shown in the United States. Since I don't watch the dubbed versions of the episodes, I'm not fully aware of how the West has addressed this issue generally.
Well, I think there must be a better way to solve this question, but I don't know what it is.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 01:29, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
"Monarch" isn't dub-exclusive, though; the announcer explicitly refers to Leon as "oja" (i.e. Monarch) in JN129. I'm aware that "Champion" has been used in regards to the title as well in Japanese, which is why I think both terms may have been used interchangeably. Also, "Honored Trainer" was indeed used in the original Japanese version; I watched both of the Orange League episodes for Ash vs. Drake in Japanese and the phrase "Meiyo Trainer" popped up several times, while "Champion" never popped up once. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 02:41, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
In the end, this discussion became useless, since they did "the favor" of summarizing the entire text to one line.
That's when the Masters Eight was never specifically a tournament between regional Champions (so much so that Alain was in the competition). I will never understand the point of making extremely summarized content on a wiki that is supposed to have detailed information. Let it go then--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 15:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
I think it's that there can only be one Monarch at a time, but a World Champion is anyone who's beaten the Masters Eight Tournament. That's the impression I've personally gotten. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Larvitar and Nebby

I heard that you and Rahl have discussed last December regarding whether Larvitar and Nebby can be counted as Ash's Pokémon. Since they weren't officially owned, I'm not sure if I agree with that. What was your reasoning for saying "yes"? The Larvitar article could easily be retitled "Larvitar (anime)" if the opposite decision was made. Same with Shaymin in S&M. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:44, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

  • Larvitar and Nebby were:
    • Shown to have traveled with Ash over multiple episodes and bonded as Trainer and Pokémon, similar to other Pokémon not seen placed in a Poké Ball such as Misty's Togetic, Cameron's Lucario, Alexa's Helioptile, or Professor Burnet's Munchlax to name a few.
    • They were both included in Pikachu's fantasy in JN132 showing all of Ash's Pokémon, as well as Ash's in JN135.
    • Both appeared in the Aim to Be a Pokémon Master opening in JN139 (which showed released Pokémon) and JN146 (which showed Alola team).
    • Both were included in the final trailer for the anime with the rest of Ash's team.
    • The Aim To Be a Aim to Be a Pokémon Master promotion poster, which included all of Ash's Pokémon (the only ones not Ash's were Meowth and Wobbuffet, both main characters).

At this point, why are you not convinced they are Ash's? Your only defense is they were not placed in a Poké Ball, which is not unheard of for anime Pokémon. What is your defense against the anime showing again and again they belong with the rest? --Rahl (talk) 14:13, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm just stubborn, I guess. All I'll say is that Lucario, Helioptile, and Munchlax could easily have Poké Balls we never see. For example, Helioptile is not seen with Alexa when she and Ash travel to Kalos, implying it's in a Poké Ball. Though, with Togepi/Togetic, I don't really have an argument against that. Oh, and the fantasy in JN135 also featured the Pink Butterfree, which he definitely didn't own, but I admit, the evidence in support of this thing as a whole is very solid, so I can't really argue more against it. Hopefully there will be an outright statement of him owning them at some point to lay any doubts to rest. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:26, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
Oh, just remembered this old old official site. It lists all of Ash's Pokémon from the first four series, but Larvitar is not listed there. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
I feel like stubborn isn't a very good reason to be ignoring all the evidence in favor of it. I think the anime has made it more than obvious where those two stand. Yes, Larvitar isn't there, but it has been included in every recent piece of media showing all of Ash's Pokémon. It could have been an error on the old site or they changed their stance on the matter. Rahl (talk) 14:39, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
One outdated site is not enough evidence to dispute everything that has come out recently. --Pikablu (talk) 14:43, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
After thinking about it for a second, I too came to understand the site,'s information is likely outdated. They probably changed their stance on it after Nebby proved to be a highly similar case. Doesn't explain why they didn't include Haunter too, but that's besides the point. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

(resetting indent)I believe my wording was it shouldn't count in the tally of Pokemon he's caught, but they are fine to be listed and categorized as his Pokemon as the anime has repeatedly associated those two with him. So the trivia is fine either way, just needs to have clarification on whether it's talking in general or specifically those that he caught.--ForceFire 10:36, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Rahl has edited episode articles so that those Pokémon are now listed as "(Ash's)" instead of "(anime)". Should there be note that specifies they're not officially his, like "(Ash's; unofficial)"? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 16:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Should we do the same for Misty's Togetic or Cameron's Lucario? Rahl (talk) 17:22, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
I personally don't think so. Those two were unambiguously owned by their Trainers. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:30, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Okay, but the anime has made it pretty clear that these two are owned as well. So what's the difference? Rahl (talk) 19:33, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
Misty officially claimed ownership of Togepi, and Riolu was just a walking Pokémon. Ash never claimed ownership of Larvitar or Nebby. He only cared for and battled alongside them for several consecutive episodes. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:50, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
That sounds like how he treats all of his Pokémon, minus the short time period. I really don't understand what you're so confused about. The anime has made it very clear those two belong despite their slightly different circumstances. Rahl (talk) 19:59, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
The difference is that he never officially caught them and was always just looking after them, always intending to let them go eventually. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 23:02, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

If you want to mark those as unofficial on episode articles, I don't mind. Even if the anime continually considers them his, they still technically weren't caught by him. I've already explained Togepi's situation, Togepi chose Misty to be its trainer as it saw her first and regarded her as its mother. As for Cameron's Riolu, I don't particularly remember anything about it ownershop status being ambiguous, Cameron was a forgettable character imo.--ForceFire 14:12, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

JN136

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=JN136&action=history

MarioKero started an editwar about a Trivia that was supposed to be the "last appearance" of a bunch of characters. Since JN147's page made it clear that it wasn't supposed to be the last appearance of Ash, Pikachu and others and that it shouldn't be on the episode pages, I see no reason to have that here on other pages. I talked to FinnishPokefan and he said it would be better to get an opinion from someone on the staff. Do you have an opinion about this?--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 15:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

The trivia is fine. It is those characters final appearance (for now). And JN147 doesn't indicate that it's not the last time we'll see those characters.--ForceFire 10:41, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Original series announcer

AG013

I was looking at some old episodes and I noticed that a character is repeated in Regional Competitions episodes, this character appeared in Princess Vs Princess(I think this is his first appearance), The Grass Route, All Things Bright and Beautifly!. Others use the same voice actor, but then I don't know if it's worth considering being the same person. This is only in episodes that I could find, so I would like to know, Is it possible to treat him as a recurring character or is it a case of character recycling with the same function? Depending on your answer, I wanted to be creating a page for this character or creating a section on some page detailing his appearances.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 12:39, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

I think whether the character is voiced by the same voice actor in the original Japanese episode could clear up whether they are suppose to be one character.--ForceFire 16:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
A look at the end credits shows three different voice actors for certain narrators, Koichi Hasebe did the Indigo League, Jin Horikawa the Johto league and Katsuyuki Konishi did a few others. See here and here--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 16:56, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Pocket Monsters RPG

In a 1997 interview, Shigeru Miyamoto was asked about Pocket Monsters 64 and he said there is in in development for the 64DD. In a seperate interview, it was mentioned that there were three separate Pokemon (sorry my computer doesn't allow me to do the accented e) games in development for the 64DD, two of those came out, however not for the DD (Stadium and Snap) [[2]]- unsigned comment from Requiem OfLostSouls (talkcontribs)

The game in question became Stadium according to our article. An RPG game is not mentioned in that article, and the history section of our article has had that information removed several time due to a lack of source.--ForceFire 21:16, 16 April 2023 (UTC)


Area Zero

So what exactly about my edit is considered "unnotable" and "speculative"? I've spent time researching the symbolism of moths and white flowers in japanese culture. Its not like the information i've put was wrong. Just a lurker (talk) 01:16, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh nevermind, someone now banned reverted my edit and forged your signing. - unsigned comment from Just a lurker (talkcontribs)

BlueSparkles

As I've stated before, I believe that BlueSparkles is a Kittystyler sockpuppet.

Their editing style is far too reminiscent of previous sockpuppets to be a coincidence in my opinion.

Here are some of BlueSparkles's edits:

Here are some edits from Kittystyler and/or confirmed sockpuppets:

  • Example 1 ("cares about its friends" and the term "best friend")
  • Example 2 ("X has this negative trait, but managed to overcome it/look past it because of Y" and the term "best friend" pops up again)
  • Example 3 ("cares about its Trainer and friends and is protective of them")
  • Example 4 (same deal as Example 2)

There are probably more examples I could have found, but even without a matching IP, I feel like their edits are far too similar. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 16:26, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Is there anywhere where this can be discussed in more detail (such as Discord DMs)? It's not my intention to be pushy, but I am very certain that this person is Kittystyler. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 17:33, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'm getting your messages. I would love to try, but I'm all out of options. Their email address doesn't match the usual KittyStyler email addresses, and I can't match their IP address with other KittyStyler socks because too much time has passed to be able to check the IP addresses of the other sock accounts. The only thing I have to go on is their edits, but even that could be circumstantial.--ForceFire 17:41, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

About official Artwork

When it comes to official artwork for the anime, does it have to come from people who work for the pokémon company (Like animators or Directors) or people who have worked with pokemon? Like is the person who drew "After the story" for Jounreys even a staff? Because I have an artwork of Friede and Captain Pikachu Artwork that was drawn by shoko nakagawa and she works with "pokédoko" (A pokemon tv show) and sang two eds for pokemon. (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 08:38, 7 May 2023 (UTC))

Random artwork drawn by popular celebrities does not make it official. Artwork drawn by an official Game Freak staff for official Pokemon material are official artwork. Not random doodles artists draw from time to time.--ForceFire 08:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
okay, got it (CuteSylveon42 (talk) 09:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC))

This topic has been in limbo for over a year

Over a year ago, I got into a debate with Franky7 over the usage of "caught" vs. obtained". You can read the full details here (for the second link in the post, click here), but the gist of it is that I believe the term "obtained" should be used over "caught", as the wording is far more inclusive. (As I stated before, the current wording on Pignite's page implies that Oshawott was "caught", which is not the case.) Other users have agreed with my line of reasoning as well, so I'd like to hear your thoughts. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 14:35, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Obtained should be used for Pokemon that were given/traded to characters, Ash's Buizel and May's Wartortle use obtain for example.--ForceFire 16:24, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Sure, but the current wording on the page for Ash's Pignite states that he was the "third Pokémon that Ash caught in the Unova region". Again, this wording implies that Oshawott was "caught", even though he was actually given to Ash by Professor Juniper. I think "obtained" is more inclusive in this aspect, since it can apply to any Pokémon. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 16:56, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Ah, okay, I see what you mean. I'd be okay with changing "caught" to "obtain" in the wording, your reasoning is solid.--ForceFire 17:12, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring on Player character

Harimua Thailand has continuously attempted to "adjust" the wording on the Masters EX section of the player character article without explanation, despite having been reverted multiple times, being told that the wording is fine, and the new wording sometimes being wrong and/or grammatically incorrect. This has been an ongoing issue since March. I also left a message on their talk page recently, but they did not reply. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 08:56, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Explorers

Spinel has appeared his face (albeit in shadows), has lines of dialogue, and has been tasked with a mission by Gibeon. It even has a personality for the character. Gibeon talks to three characters during the episode, dismisses Amethio from his mission. How are these characters not notable? They are human characters.--Hikaru Wazana (talk) 16:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Being human characters doesn't automatically make them notable. It's why it's called a notability requirement, the characters need to actually do something of note (aside from battling).--ForceFire 05:17, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Liko's Sprigatito and Roy's Fuecoco

Hello. I might be missing something from HZ006, but I'm confused. After HZ006 aired, and Liko's Sprigatito and Roy's Fuecoco's pages were updated to include their Abilities, you undid the edits and said to "do not guess". In HZ006, when Fuecoco glowed red and Sprigatito glowed green after taking much damage from Amethio's Ceruledge's attacks, Amethio said "They got stronger once driven into a corner, huh?" Isn't that what Blaze and Overgrow do? If not, please explain why this is not the case. Have a nice day. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 01:23, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

It was hinted at, but it's not an outright confirmation.--ForceFire 05:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Ok, so unless someone outright confirms that Liko's Sprigatito and Roy's Fuecoco have Overgrow and Blaze as their respective Abilities, it's not acknowledged? I understand now. Thank you. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 21:07, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Catch template for Legends: Arceus

Hi, Force Fire. A over month ago I've created a "prototype version" of "Catch/Entry" template to locations from Pokémon Legends: Arceus. Though I took a Catch/entry8 as base, it took a bit time to create it. I don't know it could work, especially when Pokemon locations are a bit complex, if you note a odds in weather, time-space distortions, odds for Alpha specimen, etc. So... if you could got a free time, could you look onto these templates and check they fulfill a requirements to be officially moved on main space? Of course, if they don't fulfill requirements, you may redirect them to yourself and modify them... or take a page from PokeWiki.de and use "Interactive Map Location" template to Legends Arceus and Scarlet/Violet locations. Choice is, of course, yours. I ask you, because I think you're a much better in that cases ^^". Initially I asked Chosen to check this, but a month passed and I've got no answer, so I've decided pass this offer to you, pal. --Modikisha (talk) 18:04, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

IIRC, SnorlaxMonster created an interactive map for the LA encounters in his userspace, which I think would work better. The traditional template could work for static encounters, but I think that's limited to the Template of Sinnoh encounters. You could also bring this up to Tiddlywinks to get his opinion, as they are the head of games.--ForceFire 06:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Okay, chief. --Modikisha (talk) 11:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Gallery section

TrainerSplash has been moving gallery sections to a different position on the pages. What do you think of this? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I've been under the impression that they've always been near the bottom of the article. I personally think it's better near the bottom, so I'm fine with it.--ForceFire 09:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Gotcha. I just wanted to ask because TS didn't seem to ask about this from an admin first, but I'm fine with it. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hoenn Route Images and testing ability interactions with Showdown

Hello again after a very long time. I was reading some of the Hoenn Routes and noticed a lot of them (e.g. Route 134) have guidebook labels compared to Hoenn Route 101 which has none of the labels. Would you know where to obtain these images of routes with no labels? I was considering editing the guidebook labels out of the images with an image editor but am not sure if that is allowed or meet the standards of Bulbapedia. Also for testing the effect on how Abilities work in "This Ability effect may be in need of research", would Pokémon Showdown be considered an accurate way to test how abilities react to each other? Nikuriku (talk) 14:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Update: I edited something minor on the Pokémon Yellow page and only after the fact saw that the page was edit locked. I do not mean to unintentionally vandal the page as I saw the edit lock and wondering what the edit lock does and hoping that editing a page with an edit lock does not affect my current account in any way. Nikuriku (talk) 17:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't remember exactly, but I think route images are taken via taking a screenshot of the route via capture card. Though that could be wrong.
I would rather testing for things be done in the game itself, rather than online simulations.
Pokemon Yellow article is semi protected to prevent users from adding the leaked Yellow beta from a while back, probably doesn't need the protection now though. However, your account isn't new, so you should be able to edit it.--ForceFire 06:01, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Field move redirects

These seem unnecessary. Seems like they just persisted and went unnoticed after (several) page moves. Landfish7 08:12, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Done.--ForceFire 09:07, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Image obtained from YouTube video

I was looking to add an image on the page Pokémon Puzzle League to upload the final image of the trophies and managed to find a playthrough that contains the image needed. Are users allowed to put images or screenshots from YouTube videos/Let's Plays onto the Archives? Wanted to confirm before taking any action. Nikuriku (talk) 16:15, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Resolving a dispute

Hello, I was talking with the user Franky7 over some trivia I added which they have reverted on Ash's Bulbasaur's page. It has been discussed civilly and came to an agreement for an admin to check if the Trivia I added was correct. The edit I made was on 30 May 2023 on Ash's Bulbasaur's page and the link here is the full discussion for context on Franky7's page: User_talk:Franky7#Ash.27s_Bulbasaur_Trivia_Removal - unsigned comment from Nikuriku (talkcontribs)

Hey there

I hope you are enjoying your break. In the meantime, I've moved you into the Retired Staff usergroup. It allows you to retain your status as a member of the staff team while also exempts you from any and all staff responsibilities. Use the time to refresh and recharge without worrying about Bulba, and feel free to reach out if/when you wish to return. MaverickNate 14:07, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Ryan Reynolds page

Hello. I like to request making a page for the actor, Ryan Reynolds. I have a picture for him and details to add. MasterFrostyShake (talk) 06:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Force Fire is not an active staff member, but to answer your question, a user draft is in progress. Landfish7 11:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh cool, thank you. MasterFrostyShake (talk) 17:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Image Tables

Please do not change the hard edge borders on square or rectangular images to roundy, as it makes the images clip outside the table.--Lewtwo (talk) 16:44, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

This ain't it, tho. This is the default zoom that presumably everyone uses.--ForceFire 17:08, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
There is a line of text (overflow:hidden) which allows the clipping corners to be hidden if necessary. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:10, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Why would you flat revert with the message "https://i.imgur.com/D5iJ1gZ.png This ain't sexy" when this isn't even how it looks on all monitors? On a 1080p monitor, it takes exactly a 125% zoom to achieve this. On a 1440p monitor it takes exactly 175% zoom to replicate this. I don't understand why you would zoom in, or resize your browser window to 1899x999 to showcase a screenshot where it looks broken, as literally every page on the site with a design made for a monitor after 2010 would be broken under that degree of scrutiny. This is not "the default zoom that presumably everyone uses", this is just false. - unsigned comment from Lewtwo (talkcontribs)
Sure. Not everyone has high quality, wide monitors like you and don't assume everyone has high quality, wide monitors like you.--ForceFire 17:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
I don't have a "high quality, wide monitor" this is 1920x1080, from 2016, eight years ago. It displays fine on monitors that we tested from 2012. This is a terrible frame of reference that is outright misleading as "the default" and mischaracterizing my setup as being wide alongside your edit message is just ??? Also, why not just put it under a div wrapped scrollbar instead of removing images and making them needlessly tiny, as you have been told prior to your hiatus? --Lewtwo (talk) 18:04, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Mhm. 2020 too. Also, moving around images or resizing them isn't "removing" them. They're still on the page. Don't be overdramatic.--ForceFire 18:13, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Could you explain how you got a 1080p monitor to have the appearance of one with a 125% Zoom, or that of a 1366px monitor? To clarify, you are removing images- Galleries are good for frames of reference between related images in close proximity, so readers can compare. Images in sections like the biology are good for providing context to the words next to them. Therefore, there is purpose for both of them to exist on the page in that section. --Lewtwo (talk) 18:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
That's just the default when I bought the device, I don't bother with that. Why would anyone not that adept with computers.
[[3]] [[4]] [[5]] [[6]]. I dunno man, all the image appear to be the same in all revisions. No "removal" happening captain.--ForceFire 18:24, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Iono&oldid=3898098 you can literally click this, or see the current revision of the page, to see the SV Iono art gone from the Gallery table. --Lewtwo (talk) 18:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Ah, collateral damage. Well, didn't know that was removed because I didn't remove it. I get where Finnish is coming from, but I don't mind either way whether we show the infobox image twice.--ForceFire 18:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Tiddlywinks said over on Discord that images that are already in use on one part of the page, such as the info box, do not need to be in the gallery. No need to repeat the same thing twice, similar to how there's no need for link repetition in the same page section. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
And a variety of people disagreed with his assertion. Just because one staff member believes in something doesn't mean that it should be treated as gospel throughout the site, especially being staff that are known for causing similar issues in the past --Lewtwo (talk) 20:55, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Code of Conduct and staff expectations

It has come to the attention of Senior staff that you have had several recent instances of unacceptable behavior when interacting with contributors.

It is the expectation that all contributors—both staff and users—uphold the Bulbapedia code of conduct, and these two instances of your behavior do not meet those expectations. As stated in the Bulbapedia code of conduct, "Bulbapedia should be a welcoming and open environment". Behavior like calling another user "overdramatic", or the disrespectful tone you used in the edit summary mentioned above, violates this standard by creating an unwelcoming environment for other users, especially coming from someone in a staff position. While in a staff position, you are expected to uphold the Bulbapedia:Values by fostering a safe and inclusive place for Pokémon fans to impact Bulbagarden, and in our case, Bulbapedia. The behaviors you exemplified this month in the above interactions, unfortunately, do not meet the mark. If you are finding it difficult to interact with users in a respectful way, you are always welcome to take a break, contact another staff member for assistance during a dispute, or reach out to a member of the Editorial Board for advice on how to improve. I recommend reading over the Bulbapedia:Code of conduct once again to familiarize yourself with the rules. If we do not see an improvement in your behavior, you can expect to receive consequences up to and including a block from participating on the wiki.

If you have any questions, you can reach out to myself or a member of the Bulbagarden Executive Staff. MaverickNate 14:37, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Everything is black and white in this site.

Why is everything in this site black and white? Kevin128 (talk) 21:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

It's this year's April Fools' gag. It'll pass soon. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:43, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Reminding users of policies

When you send users reminders of policies, it's important to actually link the specific policy you're referring to, and ideally quote the relevant section from it. If you just state that things are policy without referring to the specific policy page, you risk mixing your own opinions and interpretations into the content of the policy. More generally, writing declarative messages about policies without linking to them gives the impression that you are a Bulbapedia staff member; while I recognize that you may be used to this style of writing from your time as a Bulbapedia staff member, now that you have stepped away from that role, it's important not to give the impression that you still are.

For example, in the case of this message you left KaijuHazard, the appropriate policy is the speculation policy, and the relevant text is "Unsourced character or Pokémon origins should remain generic in scope and avoid explicit comparisons to specific outside characters or franchises. Particularly distinct cases are occasionally permitted through staff approval." I should note that this policy is not related to copyright law (in contrast to the message you left for KaijuHazard)—referencing the specific policy can also help refresh you own memory on the policy in question (it may even have changed since you last reviewed it), so should hopefully prevent accidentally confusing users by misstating the current policy.

I understand that editing the wiki as a non-staff member after being a staff member for so long can be cause it to be difficult to break old habits. Feel free to reach out to me or anyone else on staff you have any questions or need any help in this regard. --SnorlaxMonster 12:12, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Ash's Totodile's gender

Totodile was also confirmed male in the English dub. Ash said that Totodile found "himself" a new girlfriend, when talking about the Quagsire. So please double check historical facts about gender confirmation, I mean this isn't even the first time you've done this, you changed Ash's Bayleef's gender to female based on a false piece of information you got from the talk page. So please don't make the same mistake again, make sure you've got the correct facts.Huntress (talk) 14:58, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, we considered dub mentions as half confirmations/implications and never full confirmations. That was the case when I was a regular user and what I enforced when I was a staff member. That's why we only go by what the original Japanese version says, because the dub could just be throwing around pronouns without a care for what was actually said in the original version.--ForceFire 15:06, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Wow, you, you actually responded to a talk page message, I wasn't expecting that, the last time you edited your talk page was 4th, January, 2024. You have now created a question which is, why did you respond to this message, but not "Reminding users of policies" and "Code of Conduct and staff expectations"?Huntress (talk) 15:25, 16 May 2024 (UTC)