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• Pokemon origins
• HZ082 Trivia
• Interactions with others
• Can i have a "Right To Vanish" here in Bulbapedia?
• Response to edit reversal on The Magikarp Song
• Coral Glaie
• Infobox Suggestion
• Once again on Glaie personality
• Name origin entries for Mollie, Murdock, and Orla
• Template:Spindata/Sleep
• Referencing characters

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Pokemon origins

Hi! I'm going to have to ask you to pause on any further work with Pokemon origins. Staff have determined that the new wording is introducing unnecessary ambiguity that goes against the content that the games themselves are communicating. While we figure out any potential changes that may be needed to the Speculation policy, I'll need you to take a break from this editing task. Thanks ^Maverick_Nate 00:27, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Guessing this goes for the mainspace articles and not the userpage I'm working on?--ForceFire 05:13, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, feel free to continue searching for out-of-universe sources for design commentary. Right now the question is what in-universe sourcing can we use, since it's a bit odd of us to be ambiguous about Krabby being a crab, for instance, when the Pokedex specifically calls it a River Crab. ^Maverick_Nate 04:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, and loosening the restrictions for in-universe stuff is fair.--ForceFire 05:37, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

HZ082 Trivia

I'm sorry. I completely forgot Hattrem was still pure Psychic-type. That's really my bad :P HygorBH (talk) 17:38, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

No worries.--ForceFire 17:40, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Interactions with others

So, the interactions on User talk:Modesty Elyon and the related edits caught the attention of staff. There's a lot of different things wrapped up in this, so I'm going to focus on the most important point here. We want to make sure that all users feel welcome to contribute: there's so much work to be done for the franchise nowadays that we don't want to unnecessarily approach things too intensely to people who join in to help. It's why a number of the other rules exist, like the code of conduct, rules on edit warring, mini-modding, etc. Infrequent editors may not know the wiki's best practices, and it's up to the experienced people and staff to show them those best practices.

I see that we eventually got to that destination, but the road getting there needed some work. While you may not have blatantly insulted the user, we want to make sure non-staff are approaching other non-staff in ways that encourage solutions and not shutting down their concerns. While you do have the right of it (incomplete sentences is certainly something we rarely see), to Modesty Elyon's point, the article was in fact missing recent info and that needed to be indicated somehow. And since users are always free to contribute as much or as little as they want, we can't expect them to write the info if it isn't something they want to (or are even capable to) do. It would have been better to show them the right way to indicate that concern ({{incomplete|needs=Summary from HZ083}}) without outright undoing their attempts and without the implications that their good faithed attempts didn't show effort (any editing at all shows effort).

With everything involved here (previous related conversations about this type of stuff, the edit warring, the problematic messaging to Modesty Elyon, and the continuation of the conflict after a Leadership Board administered a pause), the Leadership Board will be issuing a very short 12-hour block. While short, we hope you take this opportunity to consider how your messaging can improve and how to approach conflict in the future. You can always lean on the wiki staff with questions or concerns if you have them. ^Maverick_Nate 11:51, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Nate, you cannot tell me that these are okay, especially when they did it correctly less than a second later. You also cannot tell me that these are acceptable, especially when they were able to flesh them out seconds later. So they can put the minimal amount of effort, but they for some reason are not doing it in the first edit. Sure, users can add as little as they want but that is far too little, and I do not agree that literally any edit is effort. We should not want users to just make pages with an incomplete template and hope for the best, or just type out two words and hope for the best. That, for me, is not [minimal] effort.

I get wanting to make Bulbapedia more welcoming, but we still shouldn't lower our standards and let users run amok making small edits in the hopes that someone will get to it later.

Side note, regarding the incomplete templates on Zirc and Onia's article, not too sure those are needed as Zirc and Onia are recurring characters (thus, people would be more likely to edit their pages, as opposed to a cotd), so someone would've gotten to it sooner rather than later. It's like putting an incomplete tag on Liko or Roy's article, their main characters, someone will absolutely get to them, no need for the incomplete template. But I digress.--ForceFire 05:49, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Forgive me for bulleting these．

• The first four redirects you link, they are the very first redirects this user has ever made. To reference the Bulbapedia:Code of conduct, "People are not born with an intuitive understanding of wikicode...Positive reinforcement goes a long way to making the community stronger and new users better contributors". So they took a second to figure out how something works. What's wrong with that? It's actually excellent they were able to make it to the right solution on their own. I'm sure the next time they encounter needed redirects, they will be more than capable to do it the right way the first time.
• The two pages you link after; they are the first pages this user has ever made. We don't expect people to be editing experts their first time. Everyone has to start somewhere. Without having asked them, I can assume they didn't know they could just write the page with the intended content without the in between step. It's okay to let people figure things out on their own: it's simply part of the process. There's no need for staff to be overbearing, especially since this person managed to make Kumuri Mountain pretty far on their own. While those consecutive edits may seem odd or annoying to veterans like yourself, they are far from disruptive. Being overly critical and overbearing to an inexperienced user figuring it out can be discouraging and drive away someone who would otherwise stick around and help out. It's not about lowering our standards; it's about being cognizant enough to realize that the franchise nowadays can't be documented by a small core group of a few dozen individuals: every well-intended editor is important and worth treating respectfully.
• As for adding the incomplete tag to articles that become incomplete overtime, I simply have to say that it's not a reasonable hill to die on. While we are lucky to not have to currently worry about new anime content being documented, that could easily change without warning. We recently had to indefinitely ban one of the anime editors due to harrassment, so it's not a given that someone will "absolutely" get to those edits, and that's the exact purpose the incomplete template serves. They were also following recent advice to utilize the incomplete template more, so it's really a non-issue. ^Maverick_Nate 05:47, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Can i have a "Right To Vanish" here in Bulbapedia?

Already had my account vanished in Wikipedia Fernandez0907 (talk) 18:08, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Response to edit reversal on The Magikarp Song

Hi there! I appreciate your vigilance in trying to keep dubious claims off of this site. I'm just letting you know for the future that I was able to verify my claim on the identity of the english singer for The Magikarp Song with bulbapedia staff, and have returned the information to the article. I appreciate your taking a stand against sourceless claims, though! Hollybun (talk) 16:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Coral Glaie

I made topic on discussion about Glaie no one read it for months Gian9456 14:27, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Infobox Suggestion

How are you doing? I have a proposal; I was thinking that if the Pokémon Infobox template includes Mega Stones for Pokémon which have one, then the same could perhaps be done for Z-Crystals? I've asked another moderator before, but I didn't get an answer so far. What do you think? Machampionship (talk) 15:42, 12 April 2025 (UTC)

Hey there! I'm no longer a staff member, but I can give an opinion if you want. The information about what mega stone/Z-stone are specific to a Pokémon are already in the introduction of the species article, if you're asking more about a visual representation, then I guess that would be a reason to put it in the infobox. But I think we tend to refrain putting one time gimmicks in the infobox, for whatever reason.--ForceFire 05:29, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Machampionship (talk) 20:42, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Once again on Glaie personality

I understand you deleted it but been waiting patiently for months for response and all everyone is doing is updated flair page meanwhile it had many episodes and still no official page so I just add personality and it got deleted.

Why? It’s definitely did not had bad grammar feels like that just response for other fans to just delete it for comment to say and not actual comment of truth. Gian9456 23:32, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Because we don't usually add a personality section to those templates, that information generally goes to a dedicated article about it. The way it's done now is fine, however. Furthermore, as you have already been told numerous times, whether a Pokémon is "powerful" is subjective and opinionated, so it does not belong on the wiki.--ForceFire 05:44, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Ok. But I still did personality was it accurate based what I written before you deleted. Was it good Gian9456 10:19, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Aside for what I already mentioned, your initial addition was fine. If you plan to do more, it's wise to ask a staff member if it is okay to do so, as we don't usually put personalities into those templates (if you really want to add them, you can search to see if someone has made an article for certain Pokémon in their userspace).--ForceFire 06:26, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Name origin entries for Mollie, Murdock, and Orla

I'm the person who previously added the name origin entries for Mollie, Murdock, and orla. I understand these were removed on the basis that the origins I provided were not sufficiently connected to the characters themselves. I've found that many name origin sections do, indeed, reference elements related to a character’s personality,role, or design — though there are exceptions (e.g., Looker/Handsome and Rika).

I agree that some of my earlier interpretations weren't related to thier characters, especially for Mollie and Orla. However, I would like to respectfully raise the case of Murdock again. The etymology of his name often connects to the sea or maritime themes, which seems notable considering his marine-themed clothing. I believe this may warrant a reconsideration.

I appreciate the care that goes into maintaining the quality and accuracy of Bulbapedia, and I apologize for any inconvenience my previous edits may have caused. Thank you for your time and for all the work you do.

Best regards Madytu (talk) 08:19, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Excuse the late response, not as active as I used to be. Regarding Murdock's name origin, I personally don't see his clothing as being marine-themed. His clothing are more inline with his profession, in my opinion.--ForceFire 05:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

It's okay to reply late, not everyone has free time.

And for murdock clothes to me it looks aquatic because:

1-Red coral-like and stars drawings on his shirt

2-the white shorts and light beige sandals

3-the watch strap's colors (blue,white,beige) looks like the sea and sand.

So that's why I think they chose the name Murdock.

This is my opinion, but if you don't agree, no problem. You are more knowledgeable than me.

Some other origins:

Mollie (mory):moringa (the tree of life) or Morganite (pink gemstone)

Orla (orio):折尾 Orio Station ( if you split each letter it would be folding tail).

Ludlow (randou):ludicolo (runpappa)??? Madytu (talk) 17:37, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Template:Spindata/Sleep

Would it be possible for you to edit Template:Spindata/Sleep so that it also includes the sprites of female and Shiny variants of Pokémon? I don't see the point of uploading them if they'll just go unused. Machampionship (talk) 19:32, 7 January 2026 (UTC)

Referencing characters

As I've said before and been said by another administrator, we have absolutely no policy that prohibits or inhibits the naming of outside characters or franchises if there is a reason to do so, including when sourcing references as to the subject matter of the article. Origin sections in Pokémon species pages are inherantly speculative, so some speculation can be expected. Our speculation policy merely requires that such speculation be worded in a way that reflects this uncertainty, but as long as the uncertainty can be reasoned, poor articulation alone isn't justification to remove it from the article. Hope this brings some clarity as to what the policy actually says. 4iamking 08:09, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

Unsourced character or Pokémon origins should remain generic in scope and avoid explicit comparisons to specific outside characters or franchises.--ForceFire (talk) 08:50, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

The key thing in this line is the first word "unsourced". The main thing we don't want is just "out there" speculation, but the line you removed was not that. It gave context to the claim that there may be a link to the movie "Warning from Space", that most people would have probably not have otherwise picked up. To this end, even references derived in concept art can count as a source when trying to determine origin. 4iamking 09:13, 16 January 2026 (UTC)

Unless there is an actual source, every speculation is unsourced. It's not "out there" but it is still an explicit mention of an outside character, thus, it goes against that specific line. There's a reason why Nidoking only mentions kaiju and not Barragon whilst Vanilluxe mentions the Pillsbury Dough Boy, both sourced but only one of them actually mentions a character (or like, six, going by the tweet).--ForceFire (talk) 09:32, 16 January 2026 (UTC)