Talk:Player character

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I suggest merge of Player character and Rival, as well as categorisation according to the game instead of the Region. Also, I believe Pokemon Ranger characters should be added as main characters, considering that Pokemon Ranger is actually a main Pokemon Game.

Anyone have the Emerald sprite of May? Porygon-Z[ 14:12, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

And again that request is made. TTEchidna 03:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)


Does anyone else think this article needs a re-write? PDL 03:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a reason? ht14 02:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
It seems kinda... messy. It's not that hard really explain how a player character works in a video game. PDL 02:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)


I was thinking that we could take a page from the Pokémon pages and find the backsprites of the player characters as well as the partner characters (like Steven and Buck).--MisterE13 03:05, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Mentioning of Player in Mystery Dungeon?

There's not really much more to say... The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 01:36, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Or the player in Trozei (being the user him/herself). Or in any of the other games, for that matter. What about Snap? I feel like this should be a stub. Jazzmoth 05:16, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the player in Trozei (or Link, as we call it over here) is Lucy Fleetfoot. Flicky1991 17:59, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
And that's a stub, if I've ever seen one. Jazzmoth 02:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)


Why do we need backsprites?--RexRacer -talk 02:34, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

We have them for Pokémon. So why not characters.--MisterE13 02:54, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Because it made the page wayyy to big. Maybe if we didn't just have one, but all of those broken links look just awful.--RexRacer -talk 02:58, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
We could resize them. We also have broken links on the Pokémon pages IMHO, it just lets someone know that the images should be created.--MisterE13 03:01, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Resize? Eww. Only one Pokémon even does that, and it's Deoxys. Perhaps I'll do a hack of the sprite template that'll allow for it. Or you can. I dunno. Yeah. TTEchidna 09:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
I might be able to. what exactly do you mean?--MisterE13 21:38, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Michael and What's his name...

What about side game characters? ht14 03:52, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Lunick, Solana, the players in PMD, yeah they should go here. And if they do, the part about being remarkably silent doesn't apply to PMD.Kiryu 05:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Dawn and Luca's Platinum sprites

They're not uploaded yet,right? Can someone upload them? Lovely Rose 21:45, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Two little things

Couldn't the table also hold the overworld sprite for each character? I don't think they appear anywhere else. Also, HgSs will require another column for Gold and Kris, should I change it? Mr. Charlie 03:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Gamecube game characters?

What about Wes and Michael? I see no reason for them to be excluded. Sure, we wouldn't have as many pictures since they appear in 3D games, but I really can't consider those games to be side-games. They're full-fledged Pokemon RPGs, just like the handhelds. Cheesedude 02:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Umm...already stated... ht14 02:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Missed it due to the lack of pictures. Nevermind. Sorry. Cheesedude 02:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)


Shouldn't we list the player characters in Ranger? --ケンジガール 03:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I will. tc²₆tc26 03:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The new girl

Since we're not getting Kris back, as she's more a Crystal character than a GS (and by extension, HGSS) character, what should we name the new girl since we don't know her name and likely won't be getting it?

I say Soul, since, like Leaf, she'll likely be named for the prefix of the secondary remake game, while her male counterpart is the primary original game (Gold, like Red) and her rival is the secondary original game (Silver, like Blue/Green).

Should we make an article yet, though? I've protected both Heart and Soul until the tenth anniversary of GS, so... no need to worry there. Plus, we can move it when and if we get her real name either via hacking the games to pieces or because they actually give her one outright. But it never happened to Leaf, so... we'll just wait to see, eh?

So, below, vote: make it, don't make it, and under what name? TTEchidna 04:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

There are still some arguments that she is Kris but with a major redesign. Kinda like Red in FRLG. But I don't know. I say Soul because of the reason you stated (even though I like Heart better). Make it under Soul. --ケンジガール 04:59, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Let's wait till the game is released. An opposite-gender player will have a supporting role, which means there'll be a fixed name for her. --Maxim 05:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, we shouldn't wait six months to make an article about a character from the Pokémon games. I like Soul, but make sure that it is noted that until confirmation it is a fan name. When CoroCoro comes out I'll have at it and see if it is noted anywhere amidst the crazyness.--RexRacer 05:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Maxim... that's for Gen III and IV games. HGSS is a Gen II game (technically). Where was Leaf's supporting role? Did I somehow miss her in FireRed, despite completing the game 100%? TTEchidna 06:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
My vote goes for making an article, or at least starting one that we can move to the proper place when the name is revealed. Trainer-c 06:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I vote for making the article. Call it Soul or whatever you want, see if I care. I'm too upset with the decision of erasing Kris from the Pokémon World to even bother. Kris is the best thing that ever happened to the Pokémon franchise. Mr. Charlie 06:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Your right Mr. Charlie, if it wasn't for Kris there wouldn't be girl characters. Then they go and replace her with a girl with Mario's overolls and a HUGE hat. I felt like crying :(

See my page, the part with my pokemon trainers. I'm not going to touch it untill some more info on this "Soul".Glitchym1 21:55, 17 May 2009 (UTC) Scratch that last thing I said, I'll call her Soul Kamon.Glitchym1 22:10, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


Color clashing... ht14 01:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Should be better now. — THE TROM — 01:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Overhead sprites

Think we should add those too? --ケンジガール 10:43, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Old question but sounds like a good idea. However, we need someone able to rip sprites to do that. ポケモンあいこうか 19:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Gold's backsprite

Why do we even have it there? Anyway,they changed his backsprite,but the article still shows the original one. Is the screenshot to small? Lovely Rose 01:22, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

There are two there already... tc²₆tc26 02:39, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I meant his Heartgold and Soulsilver backsprite,they changed it,it's slightly different. For example,his hair isn't parted. Lovely Rose 22:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I guess it could be one of the first beta things for HGSS, but its still to early to tell, they could change it again--Pokéboy93 04:55, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

i think we should wait because the back sprite is changing in recent pictures he does not have the symbol on the back of his hat.--Pokéboy93 17:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Counterparts for missing

May and Dawn needs on their respective webs a section of counterparts like Red, Gold, Kris and Kotone, please sombebody cna do it? --Ash 20:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Wes is one of the few that "doesnt wear head gear" trivia

Ummm... I own Colosseum and it shows him wearing silver visors in his hair, and also if you go to his page you can see he's wearing them as headgear in the photo. But, every time I try to remove Wes from that part of the trivia, someone puts him back in...

Visors aren't headgear. They're eyeware. 67h5r6h 19:12, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

Gold's HGSS Name

Until HG and SS are released here (as short a time as that'll be), Gold's HGSS sprite should be titled "Hibiki". Then there's the matter of Silver seemingly being "rival"/"Rival" rather than truly named, but a lack of name rationalizes attributing "Silver" to him my my count (though that's not so much here as it is there, on the rivals' page). TJF588 01:47, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

There has been a heap of discussion about these characters' names all over the pedia (for example, here), and the consensus reached is that we ain't touching anything until the games are released. —darklordtrom 01:49, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


I personally think we should protect this page considering the Generation V boy and girl heroes have been revealed with little detail for both. The main reason is because I know someone out there will post fake images and ridiculous speculation. Ninterror 11:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd rather we assumed good faith and left it open. We'll see how it goes for now. When the details really start to come out, we can rethink. —darklordtrom 10:32, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, about that, shouldn't somebody put info and pics about BW player characters? - unsigned comment from Pokenick (talkcontribs)

Stadium characters

Do they count as player characters? You honestly don't really play as them, as in moving them or anything, but you do tell your Pokemon what to do, which is the players ability. So you technically do play as them. Also, they aren't Ethan and Kris. Or even actually, any other protagonist Lovely Rose 14:06, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Of course they do. You control them just as much as Lucy Fleetfoot. They are 100% player characters, in my opinion. The fact that you don't walk using them doesn't make them any worse. I think I could upload their faceshots and add them to this article. --Maxim 18:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

What's wrong?

I can't see the bottom of this page. It dead-ends after the template with Ranger Characters. Does this happen just to me, or is there something screwed-up in the coding? It doesn't happen when I view older revisions of the article. --Maxim 11:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Works fine for me. I think it's because of all the internal trouble and stuff the the 'pedia's been experiencing recently. It happend to me the other day, on a different page. Takharii ~ Talk! 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Works because I just fixed it. Someone had added there a HTML comment but forgot to close it... UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 11:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Black and White Trainers?

I'm a bit surprised they aren't featured here. I understand them not getting their own pages (yet) due to the scarcity of information on them, but I can't even find their images on this site. - unsigned comment from Clark Griswald (talkcontribs)

They probably just want to avoid speculation. Personally, I'm just glad the male trainer has a normal hair color. First in Generation III it was white, then in IV it looked purple (although ingame it looked more like black) On a somewhat related note, does anyone have any idea why the player characters from black and white are older than in previous games?67h5r6h 19:10, 15 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

No Black and White until we actually know something about them. And no opinionated chat here. There are in fact pictures of the BW main characters in the group shot in the article. —darklordtrom 20:20, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

The male trainer in Generation III has black hair. In the manga, it revealed that the white part was a hat. And if you look closely under the headband, you could see some black hair. (Holonboy 06:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC))


Does anyone else think it's worth mentioning that each of the main series player characters have a hat of some sort? →→→ Shiny Rayquaza 02:10, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't count May's as a hat so much as a headband, but since Brendan's is a hat, then I do think it's worth mentioning. PhantomJunkie 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Bah I meant bandanna, not headband. PhantomJunkie 03:55, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
It would probably better to use the word "headgear", so that the trivia point encompasses all the player characters. Werdnae (talk) 05:35, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Optional names for <player character>

I've made a few templates to replace the old ones on each page. They're both here. Which one does everyone like better? たかはり 09:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Colors of the first one on the second design. —darklordtrom 09:46, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon Channel

What about Pokemon channel? I know you never see the character, but it is still a game and the name should be mentioned. Gliscorguy54 20:06, 21 November 2010 (UTC)


Are you sure that the edits by Ash Pokemaster‏ is right? Does this page no longer needed the sprites from previous generations? Ruixiang95 10:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, there isn't really a need for them. The page was listing all the protagonists. Not listing all their sprites. I somewhat agree with it. Blake Talk·Edits 21:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
If you need sprites you can always use a sprites resource! Heck, you can even open the article of each character to find them. I don't think there's need for sprites to be placed in every possible article. The article looks much more elegant now, albeit incomplete. :P
Also, this isn't a perfect design or anything. I just tried to make it look more proper for the wiki, but it still needs work. First of all, there is need for this style to be applied in other characters as well. It would also probably be handy to combine the male the female characters boxes. But either way, I think that it looks fine now. Ash_Pokemaster 23:58, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Ranger Backs & Main Series

First off, anyone got the underwater Ranger backs? And second off, what happened to/was wrong with that proper collection of sprites under characters? Giratina's Embodiment - Please don't hurt us... 22:13, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

See just abobe. :) Ash_Pokemaster 16:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Typing DS chars

They did have some sprites, right? I think they also had some default names, didn't they? They may not be worth their own articles but I think they should definitely be included here. Can anyone who has a copy check their names (and upload sprites, if possible)? --Maxim 10:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)


is there art of the player characters from Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition we could put on here? Volcronaperson 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC) Yes there is. Now it is on this page.

Black and White 2 Trainers

Just thought they should be added to the group shot now that good pics are out. - unsigned comment from Clark Griswald (talkcontribs)

X and Y

Do we have a confirmed name here?


|) u |( e ® 14:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

It looks likely, but we may need to wait until both are revealed. Xavier does sound like a good name for the male protagonist... Berrenta (talk) 15:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
Looks like the X and Y player character's names are Yvonne (girl) and Xavier (boy). Seeming they used the boy's name again, I'd say it's highly probable that these are their default names, but I'm not the one to judge, and I think we should still wait a bit longer, just in case. Zarthga (talk) 09:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


It feels like you guys might be jumping the gun here. While their names might very well end up being these, there is years of precedence in the Pokemon franchise for pre-release "tentative" player names to later be scrapped altogether for the finished product.
Not really fond of the mindset of "closest thing to canon right now" being of encyclopedic material. Gacs (talk) 03:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Not to mention these are not the only names we have seen for these characters, with the latest being Callum and Serena. Gohan5 (talk) 13:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Those are the Japanese names. Although it should be noted that the Japanese equivalent of those pictures used "X" and "Y" in katakana, so it's very unlikely that those will be the final names. We'll have to wait till tomorrow, I suppose. Ataro (talk) 13:22, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
I would honestly not be surprised at all if Callum and Serena wind up being universal (or partially), given how this is the first time in the history of the series where player characters of the Japanese version are being given distinctive and real non-Japanese names (Western ones, to boot). Gacs (talk) 07:50, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Calem and Serena has been confirmed as the main characters' name in English version.(E9310103838 (talk) 09:01, 15 June 2013 (UTC))
Is there a reason we haven't made pages for Calem and Serena yet? Vienna Waltz (talk) 00:39, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
I think we have a misunderstood here, please check the official page of Pokemon, thay only wrote, "Serena or Calem - Your next-door neighbor in Vaniville will set out on a journey just like everyone else, with the goal of becoming a powerful Pokémon Trainer. If your character is a boy, your neighbor will be Serena. If you play as a girl, Calem will be your neighbor." - Theodorethebear (talk) 12:06, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
To Vienna Waltz, it's because we don't have that much info on them right now. To Theodorethebear, yes, it does say that. What's your point? Ataro (talk) 12:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Female Character

This page says if the female player is chosen on the Crystal game pack the female character will appear. But when I chose the male on Crystal the female character still appears. I think when any Crystal game pack is used then the female character will appear. ----Ethan (Talk) 04:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Player height and weight

  • Ethan was 4'11" tall and weighed 88.2 lbs in HeartGold and SoulSilver.
  • Lyra is 4'11" tall and weighs 90.4 lbs.
  • Lucas is 4'7" (143 cm) tall and weighs 83.8 lbs (38 kg).
  • Dawn is 4'6" (1.40 m) tall and weighs 75 lbs (34 kg).

Those trivia bits are in those articles. I don't know where they came from. (I suspect the Pokédex.) It seems as though we only have it for the Generation IV protagonists. The function that allowed the player character to be compared to a Pokémon was apparently added in Generation III, according to the Pokédex page, so why isn't it known for Red, Leaf, Brendan, or May? --Abcboy (talk) 03:56, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

At least in HGSS, the height and weight for the PCs is physically spelled out, meaning the game tells you outright that the characters are this height and weight (so I suspect it's the same for DPPt). In Ruby and FR (the games I checked), there are only rough silhouette depictions and no numbers (and certainly no weight comparisons). So it's impossible to add anything for the Gen 3 protags that isn't guesswork. Kai * the Arc Toraph 13:29, 27 April 2014 (UTC)



FireRed LeafGreen Red.png

HeartGold SoulSilver Ethan.png

Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire Brendan.png

Platinum Lucas.png

Black White Hilbert.png

Black 2 White 2 Nate.png

XY Calem.png

Red Ethan Brendan Lucas Hilbert Nate Calem

FireRed LeafGreen Leaf.png

Crystal Kris.png

HeartGold SoulSilver Lyra.png

Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire May.png

Platinum Dawn.png

Black White Hilda.png

Black 2 White 2 Rosa.png

XY Serena.png

Leaf Kris Lyra May Dawn Hilda Rosa Serena

Tester (talk) 12:19, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Side Series/Spin Off

Why the distinction? I know there's a lot people that wrongly consider Colosseum and XD to be part of the main series, but I see no reason for there to be a distinction between these and the other spinoffs. They do have gameplay closer to that in the main series, but they're hardly the only spinoffs to allow trading to the main games. Seems like a completely arbitrary section. Five (talk) 12:02, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Pages for Mystery Dungeon player characters?

Could we please have some? And for the partners as well? If there are articles for the player characters of Pokémon Conquest, I don't see why there can't be any for the ones of Mystery Dungeon N. Harmonik (talk) 03:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Sun and Moon Player characters

The last E3 Suggested that the names of the male and female chacters is Elio and Selene. - unsigned comment from Robin Maximo (talkcontribs)

We won't include information until it's 100% confirmed. It's still not yet clear whether these names are the official ones or are just being used in promotional materials. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought that we could use like temporarie names like Scottie in Sawyer´s name, but ok then-- Posted By Robin MaximoRobin Maximo (talk) 20:01, 15 June 2016 (UTC)


Can we add Orlando from the ORAS Special Demo Version? Surely Orlando should at least be mentioned on this page, especially as his Japanese name is Omega. Kidburla (talk) 16:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)


I only have a question rather than a suggestion, if this is not the place to do this let me know the right place please, how do you guys discover the names of the player characters, where is released?--Robin Maximo (talk) 17:31, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

It varies. In some of the older games, the official names were often available as a default if you didn't enter a name, or were used in the game's data to label the characters' sprites and other information. In recent games the characters often go by those names when they are not chosen by the player and appear instead as an NPC, such as with Hilbert, Hilda, Nate, and Rosa (in the Battle Subway) or Calem, Serena, Lucas, Dawn, Brendan, May, Ethan, and Lyra (as rivals/friends of the player). —AndyPKMN (talk) 16:18, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


Can someone please fix the page, someone has screwed it up and I don't know what text to put where in order to fix it. EDIT: It's now been fixed, thanks for whoever did it :) - unsigned comment from Sun & Moon (talkcontribs)

Sun and Moon's Names

Are Sun and Moon really the official names? I read somewhere that the opposite player doesn't show up as an NPC, and we don't have either one in the anime so we can't go off of that, and the Dex Holders in Pokémon Adventures are always named after the games, so that's not good either... I think we should discuss it a bit before we decide their names.

BlackButterfree (talk) 06:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

I don't know if they even HAVE official names. But people will surely be looking for information about the player characters of the new games and their role in the story, so in the absence of reliable official names, placeholder names might have to do. "Sun" for the male PC at least has some in-game basis (being the name of the PC in the special demo version), and "Moon" would correspond to that. Of course, discussion is still good—if anyone knows a set of names with better justification, I'm all ears. --AndyPKMN (talk) 16:33, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
I agree that generation I could not be the only one of a kind with the main characters using the names of the game versions/manga version, their names can be Sun & Moon. Especially when we don´t know how to call them.-- Robin Maximo (talk) 02:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
I would actually suggest Elios (Sun) and Selene (Moon) for their placeholder names, since those were their given names in pre-release materials. Red and Leaf are the only player characters to be named after their game (if Kris/Crystal doesn't count), and I don't think they'd go back to that naming pattern now 13 years after the last one. BlackButterfree (talk) 03:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I suggested this names back then but they said it was not 100% confirmed since Calem and Serena already changed names, but they preferred the last names that was used to call then in the demo, Sun & moon, if something important like this is not yet decided editions shouldn´t be locked again ultil it is?-- Robin Maximo (talk) 03:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Since Calem and Serena's names were Xavier and Yvonne, it's likely those were meant to be like the names of their games, X & Y but a little more subtle. Elios and Selene at the moment also sound like that as they are from greek mythology, (H)elios and Selene being the titans of the sun and moon respectively.Animaltamer704:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

From what I've seen, Sun and Moon are the most common names for the player characters. They' names of the games have been used before for PC names, so I see no reason why that naming pattern can't be used again, and those are the names used in the manga. Since the characters don't appear in the games unless you select them, I think that's as close to official names as we're going to get. Toolen (talk) 04:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

So Helio and Selene are not acceptable? I think that pattern may return as well cause the pokémon franchise never(or at the eyes of somes at least changes)follows patterns, can´t see why they will always follow in this aspect, i have to disagree with the argument of the manga though since until today i(and i think most part of the fans) don´t see whi-two for example as an actual name to call, thank god we have Rosa, Sun & Moon is still acceptable too.--Robin Maximo (talk) 05:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I never said Helio and Selene weren't acceptable. They're just isn't as much evidence for them. Sun is the name used in the demo. It is also the name used in the manga. Are these the most reliable sources? No, but they're the closest things to an official source we have. Unlike previous games, they don't appear as NPCs when we choose the opposite gender, so we can't rely on the games themselves. As for Moon, that is the name used in the manga for the female character, and Moon is the opposite of Sun, so it fits. Toolen (talk) 05:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Never go with the Adventures manga for the games' player characters' official names, they use the name of the games themselves for those characters, (with only two exceptions, but their names are quite close to their games' title, only missing a couple of letters). The female protagonist that appears with the Rotom hasn't been named yet in the manga (though likely it will be Moon), and they might pull a twist again like in the Diamond and Pearl chapter.Animaltamer705:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Considering the history up until this point, it's a safe bet it will be Moon. As for their reliability, I already said they are not the most reliable sources, but the names in the Manga and the Demo are the closest things we have to an official name. Toolen (talk) 06:23, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It seems like the problem of Firered & Leafgreen, how do you guys determined Leaf´s name? And i´m sorry for losing the tracks but what twist did we had in DP? I´d like to know a little more about it(principally because i started to play in this generation), it may help us resolve the problem, to get it even worse it doesn´t sound like the female character at least will appear in the anime just like Leaf, Yellow and Hilda(and Rosa but at least she appearred in the trailer).-- Robin Maximo (talk) 07:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

The twist in DP is that they left Platinum nameless, referred only as Lady, during their trip up until the point when the Platinum game version was announced. Which by that point they official gave her that name.Animaltamer708:24, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Despite being obvious i didn´t realize that was happening that time, it´s impressive, but i don´t think it will be a twist like that one this time, i think the only reason they did this is because DP manga would lack a female main character.-- Robin Maximo (talk) 20:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

It looks like we're going to have to do what we did with Kris and Leaf: use the most commonly used name amongst fans and/or the placeholder names on the games's ROM. I'm pretty sure that the placeholder names are Sun for the boy and Moon for the girl, which are also the most common names I've found when searching the web. Should I go ahead and add those to the article, or do we need to wait a little longer? Toolen (talk) 06:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Wait until a staff member makes an executive decision, please. It's not good for non-staff to jump the gun on things that affect page titles, because those in turn require a lot of creating or updating links on various pages. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

I figured as much. It looks like this issue will remain unresolved for the foreseeable future. Toolen (talk) 07:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

In fact, the most common names is ヨウ and ミヅキ in Pixiv. If you search for サン and ムーン in Pixiv, you will not be able to find any pictures lol (I guess this is because the new story in Pokemon Special is not yet clear)

And the search for ヨウ and ミヅキ in Google will also find plenty of pictures.

I think this is different from Calem and Serena's case, since the Japanese version is called X/Y and the US version is called Xavier/Yvonne.

And Moon's name has not yet been mentioned in Pokemon Special just because she has not yet introduced herself. This does not mean anything. E9310103838 (talk) 16:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Why don't we call Sun/Moon's player characters Kai (boy) and Lana (girl)? That's apparently what unused data inside the game calls them, according to their pages. Interestingly enough, that would be the first time two major characters shared the same name (Lana the Trial Captain and Lana the Player Character), both of which were introduced in the same game. BlackButterfree (talk) 06:53, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Two pages cannot share the same title. It'd also be far more confusing to say "Kai/Lana can battle Lana at Brooklet Hill." The issue is that the female player character was given the name Lana in Japanese, and in Japanese, Lana's name is Suiren. --Abcboy (talk) 11:26, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Technically, they wouldn't have the same title. One page would be titled Lana (Trial Captain) and the other Lana (Player Character), like how some characters have their (Anime), (Adventures) and (Game) pages. But I see your point on how it'd be confusing in summaries... I guess Sun and Moon are fine, but it's so weird having player characters named after their games... We've only had Red, Kris(tal) and Leaf(green) before Sun and Moon. BlackButterfree (talk) 12:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Since use Kai and Lana that could not search for anything relevant at all... E9310103838 (talk) 14:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
"Kai/Lana can battle Captain Lana at Brooklet Hill." I'm not sure about 'Sun' and 'Moon' anymore... using unofficial names for characters who do have names from internal game data, even if one of them is shared with another character, I don't think that's very encyclopedic. People share names, even in Pokémon. While I get the confusion point, I don't think there would be a big problem in this case – most instances would refer to Captain anyway, as the alternate player character doesn't exist as an NPC this generation and, most times, when we're referring to the player character, we just say "the player". - Taylor (talk) 01:28, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
The names Sun and Moon are not "unofficial"; the names were used officially throughout the pre-release period.
The manual of style also states that titles should use the "English names of characters", and while Sun and Moon have been officially used in English, カイ and ラナ have not. --Abcboy (talk) 02:35, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
This is just the same case with the player use Omega/Orlando as his name in Demo Version. E9310103838 (talk) 14:33, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
While pre-release promotional material shouldn't take precedence over in-game data and, as the last user mentioned, demos are unreliable, you do have a good point about English usage. (I was curious, even; does the unused data definitely include only Japanese names or were other languages simply not found as of yet?) - Taylor (talk) 09:12, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
Where the Japanese text contains the two names, the English text has blanks in those spots. --Abcboy (talk) 13:57, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

I know we don't just go with what the Japanese fans use, but they seem to accept Yō and Mizuki (the Japanese equivalents of Elio and Selene) as the official names, as I believe has been mentioned here. But these are just names used in trailers, aren't they? Ratcicle Fan (talk) 14:54, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Aren't the names Elio and Selene as close to official as Sun and Moon? I really don't see why we go with Sun and Moon when the games abandoned the gimmick of naming protagonists after versions ages ago. - Ericss (talk) 17:53, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Gen VII's biggest focus (aside from abandoning HMs and introducing Z-Moves) is more or less pulling old fans back in by cashing in on nostalgia. Sure, old trends were abandoned, but that just leaves room to reintroduce older trends that were long forgotten, like naming the protagonists after the games. --Knowitall (talk) 07:03, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be worth noting on both of the character's pages that their names being Moon and Sun are not official similar to how it was stated on both Leaf and Kris' pages? If I recall, both of those pages explain them being fan names and where they come from, but both Moon and Sun's pages only explain where they come from. TrainerSplash (talk) 22:56, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Sun and Moon aren't fan names. They were officially used in promotional material. The debate in this section is over which official name to use, not whether one or the other is wholly unofficial. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:59, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Black and White, Black 2 and White 2

So in the newest Pokemon Genrations Hilbert is seen with Zekrom meaning he is the hero of White. Yes I know the protagonists that appear in the show are supposed to represent the average player but so do the playable characters. So is he? That means that Hilda and Rosa are the heroes of Black and Black 2 and Hilbert and Nate are the heroes of White and White 2. Or is it opposite genders? Hilda and Nate, Hilbert and Rosa? - unsigned comment from Sun & Moon (talkcontribs)

...It's both of them. Generations doesn't line up completely with the games' canon. TechSkylander1518 (talk) 05:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Suggesting A New Table

Two years ago, another member (Tester) suggested above that we list the player characters like this. I updated the table with Sun and Moon, and would like to suggest it as well. I think it looks better than the current set-up.


FireRed LeafGreen Red.png

HeartGold SoulSilver Ethan.png

Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire Brendan.png

Platinum Lucas.png

Black White Hilbert.png

Black 2 White 2 Nate.png

XY Calem.png

Sun Moon Protagonist male.png

Red Ethan Brendan Lucas Hilbert Nate Calem Sun

FireRed LeafGreen Leaf.png

Crystal Kris.png

HeartGold SoulSilver Lyra.png

Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire May.png

Platinum Dawn.png

Black White Hilda.png

Black 2 White 2 Rosa.png

XY Serena.png

Sun Moon Protagonist female.png

Leaf Kris Lyra May Dawn Hilda Rosa Serena Moon

BlackButterfree (talk) 20:21, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

The spaces by Leaf/Kris are pretty odd. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:51, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
It's to show that those characters were absent in the games inside the space. It's a bit disorienting at first glance, but once you realize what they mean, they make perfect sense. BlackButterfree (talk) 02:44, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong, I fully understand it. I just don't think the one thing makes up for the other. Tiddlywinks (talk) 02:59, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Even if there's a point to the gap, it's still very distracting and will no doubt cause further confusion.--ForceFire 04:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
so you do this:

FireRed LeafGreen Red.png

HeartGold SoulSilver Ethan.png

Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire Brendan.png

Platinum Lucas.png

Black White Hilbert.png

Black 2 White 2 Nate.png

XY Calem.png

Sun Moon Protagonist male.png

Red Ethan Brendan Lucas Hilbert Nate Calem Sun

FireRed LeafGreen Leaf.png

Crystal Kris.png

HeartGold SoulSilver Lyra.png

Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire May.png

Platinum Dawn.png

Black White Hilda.png

Black 2 White 2 Rosa.png

XY Serena.png

Sun Moon Protagonist female.png

None Leaf None Kris Lyra May Dawn Hilda Rosa Serena Moon
The colors are a bit off, but it's still a good example. I think that looks better. Nutter Butter (talk) 04:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
That looka more appealing than the proposed one above this.Animaltamer705:10, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
While I don't think this table looks bad or anything...I think the current set-up of splitting Male and Female looks a lot nicer and easier to understand. --HoennMaster 05:42, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire trailer

For this part, someone should upload an image of both player characters as they both appear simultanously at one point in the trailer. RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk) 21:35, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Uploaded. PattyMan 21:55, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


The image of all the player characters does not include the versions of Sun and Moon from Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon.

Is anyone planning on adding this? - unsigned comment from Korbinia (talkcontribs)

I have an updated image incorporating the USUM characters, but I am not currently authorized to upload new images since I apparently have not met the secret minimum number of edits (and days active) required for upgrading my user account status. SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 17:07, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
I personally asked S2daam, the person who last updated the image, whether he wants to receive my updated version so he can upload it himself in lieu of my inability to upload it myself (as I said before, I am not auto-confirmed and don't think will ever be for reasons I am not going to specify in this talk page). SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 21:22, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Re-evaluation of Sun/Moon vs. Ellio/Selene

Before, it was only pre-release material. Now, Figma is using Selene as the name of their Pokemon figure. It's licensed products now. But this isn't even my main point. My main point is the Japanese names. Serena and Callem were named Xavier and Yvonne in pre-release. Brendan and May were named Orlando and Anna in the ORAS demo. Ellio and Selene are named Sun and Moon in the SM demo. But whenever those names appeared, what was used in the Japanese version of the trailers and demos?

Xavier and Yvonne = X and Y, for the games X and Y

Orlando and Anna = Omega and Alpha, for the games Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

Sun and Moon = Sun and Moon, for the games Sun and Moon

The last two times we had conflicting official names, the ones named after the games in the Japanese version of wherever it came from were always wrong. ArtistKyurem (talk) 23:16, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee Player Characters

So since these games are confirmed to be Yellow remakes by Masuda himself, and these player characters share many design similarities to both Red and Leaf's Generation 1 and 3 designs, should we open up a discussion about the possibility of these being Red and Leaf (albeit from an alternate timeline, since they're both obviously older by the events of USUM)? Not saying we have to make a decision right now, since we only just got our first look at the game last night, but at least open up the discussion. BlackButterfree (talk) 00:11, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't believe they're supposed to be Red and Leaf at the moment. If anything, the female player character reminds me more of Hilda. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:07, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
They're not remakes like OmegaRuby is to Ruby, they're their own thing that's inspired by Yellow. I don't think they're supposed to be Red and Leaf and the Rival is also not Blue, they're designed after them, similarly how Ash is also designed after Red I suppose. (The protagonists look like younger versions of the Pokémon Go protagonists I think actually) These games are their own thing separate from the other games continuity. That's how it looks to me at least at the moment. DanyyelTR (talk) 13:40, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Whether these three characters are Red, “Leaf” (the quotation marks indicate that it's a fan-designation in lieu of an official name), and Blue will depend on whether Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! are either (1) a timeline-wise remake of Pokémon Yellow Version (just like Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions (correction by SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 19:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)) were a remake of Pokémon Red and Blue Versions) or (2) sort of a “sequel” to the events of R/B/Y/FR/LG:
  1. If LGP/LGE are indeed a split remake of Yellow (and thus, timeline alternates to RB/FRLG), then the male PC would be a new (somewhat younger) version of Red while the female PC would be either a new (younger) version of “Leaf” or a brand-new girl (just like Lyra replaced “Kris” when Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions, along with elements from Pokémon Crystal Version, were remade into Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions), while the rival would be a redesigned Blue.
  2. If, on the other hand, LGP/LGE are a “sequel” to the RBY/FRLG narrative, then the two protagonists (and the rival) would have to be brand-new characters with brand-new names.
Either case, we'll have to see if, when choosing one gender as the PC, the opposite gender shows up as an NPC ally or semi-rival. Only then we could get to see their official names and, also, see if they are the same characters from FR/LG (Red, Blue, and “Leaf” with possibly an official name) or brand-new characters. So, to be safe, let's wait until the games are released, then we can either play the games under both scenarios (male PC with female NPC, and female PC with male NPC) or allow the data miners to find out their official NPC names (along with any unused names still lingering in the data). SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 23:10, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
The third option is that it follows a different canon altogether like the anime and all manga, and so are separate characters form the ones we know. A separate different-styled main series.--DanyyelTR (talk) 14:19, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I'm learning that there are some discussions about the LGPE player character's name. In one edit the names "Chase" and "Elaine" have been added, claiming they were revealed them during the E3, but in the following edit they have been deleted. Thing is the spanish WikiDex has already written the articles "Chase" and "Elaine", so what is happening? I'm a Pokémon Central Wiki editor and admin and I've got this page in my watchlist.Orion919303 (talk) 15:58, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
The edit summary kind of says it already.
But, at length... Claims must be verifiable. The user claimed it was mentioned at E3, and the best source I found was an almost hour long video. I'm not going to sit around for nearly an hour to try to find that one piece of info; I tried to listen a bit and jump to different parts, but I didn't hear it. If anyone can point out where in the video they say Chase and Elaine are the default names, then there won't be any problem adding it back. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:24, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
I have not checked the video, but if such names indeed were mentioned or even used in-game as player names (not NPC), then perhaps they were used for the same reasons as Blair/Whitlea, Xavier/Yvonne, Orlando/Anna, Elio/Selene, and Ray/Ailey. In other words, unless such names appear also as NPC names, they cannot be taken for now as official/canon names. (Because it is also possible that they are new retcons of Red and "Leaf".) SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 17:01, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
As a side question: what promotional/​provisional names, if any, are being currently used for the player characters in Japanese adverts/​demos/​etc.? (In other words, what are the Japanese counterparts to Chase/Elaine, just like Kouta/Koumi are to Ray/Ailey what Yō/Mizuki were to Elio/Selene, Omega/Alpha to Orlando/Anna, etc.) SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 17:42, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Marking fan-designated names with tooltip asterisks

Is it OK if, in the player characters tables, I mark the names Sun, Kris, Leaf, and Moon with tooltip asterisks to indicate that they areit is fan-designated names in the absence of official names? It would look like this:


FireRed LeafGreen Red.png

HeartGold SoulSilver Ethan.png

Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire Brendan.png

Platinum Lucas.png

Black White Hilbert.png

Black 2 White 2 Nate.png

XY Calem.png

Ultra Sun Ultra Moon Protagonist male.png

Lets Go Pikachu Eevee Male Trainer.png

Red Ethan Brendan Lucas Hilbert Nate Calem Elio Chase


Crystal Kris.png

Omega Ruby Alpha Sapphire May.png

FireRed LeafGreen Leaf.png

Platinum Dawn.png

HeartGold SoulSilver Lyra.png

Black White Hilda.png

Black 2 White 2 Rosa.png

XY Serena.png

Ultra Sun Ultra Moon Protagonist female.png

Lets Go Pikachu Eevee Female Trainer.png

Kris* May Leaf Dawn Lyra Hilda Rosa Serena Selene Elaine

I hope this doesn't block me from modifying the tables because I am just appending useful notes to the names Sun and Moon rather than replacing them altogether with different names. For now, I will go ahead and add the tooltips to Kris and Leaf and, if I get approval to add them to Sun and Moon, I would do so. SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 23:30, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Is anybody really reading this? I posed a rather simple question, and nobody seems to answer it. It's been almost two months and I am tired of waiting. If by October 1 nobody answers the question I posed above, then I would have to go ahead and incorporate the useful tooltips I proposed above. SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 17:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Preferably do it when the trainer's name is announced (I'm not sure if they are already). Also, please don't add a second "Why have you not read this" section since it comes across as being quite rude. Someone will find it eventually. Ice Cream 20:02, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't think they will ever announce official names for the Sun/Moon/Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon player characters since they are now devoting their energies towards LetsGo Pika/Eevee. So the provisional, fan-designated names Sun/Moon will have to remain for now, hence why I thought of indicating so with tooltip asterisks on the character tables (just like I did for Kris and Leaf), but nobody (not even an admin) has told me if putting such tooltips on Sun/Moon amounts to unauthorized editing resulting in an automatic block. Hence why I am desperate for an answer. SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 01:41, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
I wasn't talking about the Sun/Moon character, I was talking about the LG character. Also, not everyone reads talk pages. If you really want to add it, speak to an admin. They'll say yes or no. Ice Cream 15:11, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
With all due respect and courtesy, I do not know if you read my long question above in full, but I never asked about adding tooltips to the LetsGo trainers (I only asked about Sun/Moon; the LetsGo characters will have to wait until the games are released and possibly data-mined, if that is even possible in Switch). As for contacting an admin, I had already done so almost a month ago (2 September 2018 to be exact), when I wrote 神奇超龍 regarding the matter. And I am still waiting for his/her answer. Should I try another admin? Who are the admins responsible for enforcing the edit block on the character tables? If 神奇超龍 is not one of them, then maybe are the others more willing to answer my concern? SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 17:51, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Admin wise, there's ForceFire, Chosen, abcboy, Tiddlywinks and many others. Even double-checking with other users that commonly edit such as GrammarFreak01, Raltseye, FinnishPokeFan and so many others including myself. Ask any one of them and they should be OK. If they don't respond, politely remind them or ask someone else. Ice Cream 20:22, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Officiality of names should be detailed as much as necessary on the linked pages. There's really no great reason to muss up this table worrying about that. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:24, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Does that mean, Tiddlywinks, that putting the tooltips there on the table will trigger an edit block? Personally, I find tooltips useful without being overtly disruptive (because, graphically, they show up as mere single asterisks). I had already put the tooltips on Kris and Leaf and nobody protested (but maybe that's because those two names are so old nobody is discussing them), and the table still looks nice to me without showing any disruptive clutter. So, do I have the administrative permission to add the tooltips to the table? SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 18:07, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
Tooltips generally mean "you probably want to read this". But this info isn't that important. Besides which, tooltips also don't work on mobile. There's just no good reason this info needs to be in this table. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:45, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
I knew tooltips didn't work on mobile, but at least they worked on desktop. And personally, I prefer desktop over mobile, but of course everybody may have a different opinion. At least tooltips served me a good purpose; sorry that they couldn't be useful to you and those of you that can only afford mobile devices. But I don't blame you for removing my tooltips - I'd rather blame mobile browsers' lack of tooltip support for their demise. Had mobile browsers supported them, then the story would be quite different. But at least my proposed tooltip-savvy tables still live on - not in the article itself as I hoped, but at least in this talk page, above this thread. If in a distant future you change your mind, at least you know that my tooltip tables are still here in this talk section as reference. Best regards and happy Shiny hunting! SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 00:36, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Since Selene was ultimately chosen by the admins (and consequently Elio), and since Leaf was ultimately recognized as canonical by Japanese merchandise, I made changes to the ultimately-unimplemented proposal table above to reflect the current reality. So this now leaves Kris as the only fan-designated/placeholder player character name, unless TPC again fails to provide official names to the LetsGo characters (currently expressed above as ???, even though ??? automatically redirects to ??? (type), which I find somewhat strange (maybe should be changed to "????"?). SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 05:20, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Orlando (again)

Posting this question again, as no one replied for more than 2 years Can we add Orlando from the ORAS Special Demo Version? Surely Orlando should at least be mentioned on this page, especially as his Japanese name is Omega. Kidburla (talk) 01:05, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Orlando is just Brendan's name in ORAS pre-release material, not a separate character. Ataro (talk) 00:53, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
That's not what the ORAS Demo article says... It just says they have the same appearance... "In the Demo Version, players assume the role of the promotional player character Orlando (Japanese: オメガ Omega), who shares the appearance of Brendan. " One or the other article should be updated... Kidburla (talk) 01:05, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Pokemon Let's Go Female Name Confirmed

As stated earlier, Chase and Elaine have already been confirmed as the default names for the Let's Go protagonists. I still have to find promotional material with Chase's name

The LGPE segment as featured in the Smash Bros. Ultimate and Nintendo Treehouse livestream, as it appeared at 9:16 PST (character name drop about -55 mins in, presenter also name drops Elaine quite a few times.): [1] - unsigned comment from Argentarus (talkcontribs)

It's no news. These names have been used in official footage since the beginning. I've no idea why we haven't acknowledged these names yet. There's absolutely no conflicting material in this case. I guess admins want to wait until the game's release? --Maxim (talk) 16:53, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Multiple users and I have been having a bit of a war on the page. Those against putting down Chase and Elaine keep asking for sources, but they have been CONFIRMED to be those names during multiple livestreams. Today, I finally sourced Elaine.
Just going to take this moment to write Game Freak's (unwritten) default name standard: Names that explicitly contain the names of the games (excluding Red, Blue and Green and in the OG Johto game's Gold), are featured in demos, or aren't the names that get used in newer promotional material are usually placeholders; "corruptions" of said titles are allowed, namely being Crystal's Kris. (i.e. Xavier & Yvonne which became Calem and Serena and ORAS Brendan was called Orlando (Omega in Japan) in the ORAS demo, even though canonically the male Hoenn protag is Brendan) Argentarus (talk) 18:40, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes, we wait until the game's release, like we've always done. There's no rush. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 19:07, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Pokémon Let's Go Japanese player character names?

I have already asked this question above, but since nobody seems to read old sections of talk piled above newer threads, I will repeat it below (slightly revised) as a fresh-new thread:

What Japanese promotional/​provisional names, if any, are being currently used for the Pokémon Let's Go player characters in Japanese advertisements/​demos/​etc.? (In other words, what are the Japanese counterparts to English-language Chase/Elaine, just like Yō/Mizuki are to Elio/Selene what Omega/Alpha were to Orlando/Anna, etc.) SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 05:08, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

The boy is Kakeru. The girl is Ayumi. The rival is Shin. --超龍Chao 07:02, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
If the rival is Shin in Japanese, then what is his (provisional) English name? SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 07:06, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
It's Trace. --超龍Chao 07:10, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Let's Go ??? placeholder names

The placeholder names ??? for the Let's Go player characters in the character tables are redirecting to ??? (type). Maybe should they be changed to something that doesn't redirect to something else, like "??????" (because ?, ??, ????, and ????? all redirect to either Question marks or Five question marks), at least until official names are released? (Can't do it myself since the page seems to have been protected by the admins.) SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 05:32, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I just removed the links altogether. Doesn't need to be linked to anything until the names are revealed.--ForceFire 05:58, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Now the Rival characters table needs to change ??? to TBD for consistency, even though it doesn't link to anything (or perhaps change TBD's here back to ??? but without using the color2 template). SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 06:06, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Leaf now called Green in Pokémon Let's Go?

Just read this now:

It looks like Leaf, who was just announced on the newslink above as making a guest appearance on Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!, won't be officially named Leaf but Green instead! But if Green was the Japanese name for Blue, then how will she be named in Japanese if "Leaf" is dropped for "Green"? (Also posted this on Talk:Leaf (game); if you want to post a reply to this thread, please do so on that page, not on this one.) SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 14:31, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm just as confused as you. Blue appears to already be famous, which means that Red and Blue might literally just be "Battle Legends", they fought in the league and are the best. The game seems to be a reality where all three exist, with Green's personality taking inspiration from her manga counterpart in the Pokemon Adventures Series; though that version also starts donning Leaf's outfit after the FRLG manga series.
FRLG's Leaf seems to just be a "what if" situation for Red and is just there to be his female counterpart. I would hate for that to be the case, but the choice between male and female in every generation, besides Generation 1 (and maybe Gen 2), really complicates the solidification of any "real" canonicity.Argentarus (talk) 16:46, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Did you read what I wrote above? If you want to post a reply to this thread, please do so on Talk:Leaf (game), not on this talk page. Thankee! SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 03:44, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Update to image PlayerCharactersGrouped.png requested (way long overdue)

I have an updated version of the file PlayerCharactersGrouped.png incorporating Elio & Selene with their default Ultra Sun/​Ultra Moon outfits. In addition to adding the Ultra characters, I made a slight correction to the original Elio present in the current version of the file:


I noticed one of his Water Shoes was missing a two-pixel-wide chunk, which I found detached between Calem's legs, so I reattached it.

I would like to upload it myself, but I am not yet auto-confirmed on the Bulbagarden Archives, so I cannot upload it to replace the current version which was uploaded by S2daam almost two years ago, especially when there is at least one user other than me still waiting for an updated version of the file. What would I need to do in the Archives in order to become autoconfirmed there so I can replace the outdated image above with the one I made (which anyway is already outdated since the release of Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!, which would demand adding Chase and Elaine to the group). SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 09:02, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not really a fan of things that always need updating. ...I guess that kind of describes the whole wiki, but I mean that the problem is that that image is not entirely easy to update. Plus, as more keep getting added, it just becomes worse as an actual thumbnail with more and more characters crowding the same limited space.
And you've basically got the same info in the tables already. The only thing the image offers is a few character design differences of the same characters. But that should also all be on the character's page already. I'd really much rather just remove/delete the image. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:13, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
Agree with Tiddlywinks. Also, that image is hideous and it's mainly because of all the whitespace and full body artworks stacked on top of each other, which makes it look way too big.--ForceFire 15:39, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
I beg to differ, because there are users out there (I can cite at least one) who would like to see it updated. What would you tell them when they find out it was deleted? And what about those auto-confirmed contributors who updated it with the passing of years? What would you tell them when they see all their years worth of graphical work and tinkering vanish like a Pokémon being released from the PC or a shiny one being knocked out with a critical hit? I don't think they would take it lightly; they might end up leaving Bulbagarden altogether and join instead that other wiki-like competitor whose W-starting name is being slowly changed to a stupid name starting with F. SilSinn (Pokémon Sun Trainer ID: 768426) (talk) 21:41, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
That's not logical reasoning, that's emotional scaremongering... Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:07, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
There's no need for an image of all the protagonists when the template already has those images. If people wanted to see Red's old artwork, they can go to Red. This article is not for showcasing old artworks, it's about player characters.--ForceFire 03:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
As a regular user, I concur that the image is redundant. I can't imagine anyone on here who would love to see this image stay. Just because people worked hard on that image doesn't give it a pass for staying here. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 06:57, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Tim Goodman

We should probably mention Tim Goodman somewhere in this article. PDL (talk) 23:10, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Change pre-generated to pre-created

To me it "pre-generated" sounds like it was created by an algorithm and not a creator, while "pre-created" suggests that some one created them themselves. Could someone change the "pre-generated" line in the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon section to "pre-created"? Tag365 (talk) 18:27, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Names for Sword/Shield protagonists in E3 demo play

Today on Nintendo Treehouse Day 1 at E3, the two Game Freak guys (Masuda and one whose name I don’t know) used these two names for their player characters in SwSh: Victor and Gloria (puns on Victory and Glory). Sure, we cannot yet take them as official names, but can treat them as demo names for the record. ‐⁠‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 17:06, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

BTW, has anybody here seen Japanese demo names for the two protagonists? ‐⁠‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 17:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

They did refer to the female protagonist as "the Gloria character", I think it's the same situation as SM and Let's Go. These are their names. - Taylor (talk) 17:45, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
In previous cases, the secondary; or for remakes, the original names; are considered the defaults. Xavier, Orlando, and Sun were the names in the demos for X, ORAS and SuMo, but the male rival name in X ended up being Calem, the protag in ORAS is still considered Brendan, and SuMo's is Elio because it's the secondary. Unfortunately, although Victor and Gloria are awesome names, they're the primary, or marketing, names. Despite being a demo, the E3 Demo provides a secondary pair , or the default names, being Tom and Jane. <- These are the ones that go under default. Argentarus (talk) 18:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
With the exception of Leaf, Kris, and Generation VII, all the previous cases were defined by in-game NPC names and nothing else. The latest promotional images consistently use "Victor", "Sword", and "Shield" (their Japanese counterparts use "Masaru", "Yuuri", and "Sword"); it seems like the same situation as SM and Let's Go, they're using the characters' names and the games' names. "Tom" and "Jane" are nowhere to be seen outside the E3 Max Raid Battle, where four characters were needed. - Taylor (talk) 16:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Just to stay on the safe side - did we see Victor actually used as the player character's name? I've only seen it as a name of one of the team-up Trainers in the Max Raid Battle video but perhaps I overlooked something. --Maxim (talk) 17:31, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
So to clarify this, Taylor: Masaru マサル would be Victor’s Japanese counterpart and Yuuri ユウリ would be Gloria’s, while Sword & Shield’s Japanese counterparts remain as Sword ソード & Shield シールド, respectively. Taylor’s response above was somewhat incomplete: while listing English names, Gloria was left out, and while listing Japanese counterparts, Shield was left out. ‐⁠‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 17:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Obviously Victor (Masaru) and Gloria (Yuuri) are their official name. Tom and Jane were used for images of non-players. E9310103838 (talk) 04:12, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
For the record, there are already pages under works for Victor and Gloria. This (and this) is the source for the Japanese names. --超龍Chao 06:18, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
I dont know if these are official names. Remember the articles used to call Elio and Selene "Sun" and "Moon" after the Gen VII games? TwistedMeow (talk) 04:17, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Agreed. We should wait until we have further, official confirmation on the names. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 07:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Looks like Abcboy (talkcontribs) says that Victor and Gloria are their names. We should have a citation. - unsigned comment from PokéSean (talkcontribs)
Those seem to be the popular names being used so far. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 03:52, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
This is speculating and Abcboy (talkcontribs) probably knows it. We should wait on Sept 4 or maybe the Anonymous Critic has some info of the players as rivals - unsigned comment from PokéSean (talkcontribs)
Given Abcboy is an admin, I think they know what they're doing. I'm not doubting their word just yet. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 23:45, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Okay GrammarFreak01 (talkcontribs). We won't doubt Abcboy's speculation just yet. Same with the PCs and rival of Let's Go! - unsigned comment from PokéSean (talkcontribs)
All I am saying is that just because someone's name is used in the trailer does NOT mean its their actual name. We know the names of the Gen III-IV PCs because when you had a choice between the 2, the other plays as an NPC. I say we stick to Elio as Sun, Selene as Moon, Victor as Sword, and Gloria as Shield. We are unsure about what we should call Chase, Elaine, and Trace. - unsigned comment from PokéSean (talkcontribs)
Well, I don't know what to tell you. That is something you're going to have to discuss with the admins on their talk pages, because they're certainly not going to address the "issue" here. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 14:58, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Got but that is why I came here. Abcboy is busy, I will try asking this person again. - unsigned comment from PokéSean (talkcontribs)
Well, I'm just saying this because it's clearly been a while since we heard an admin on this issue over here. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:54, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Pokémon Masters player characters

It looks like the upcoming Pokémon Masters game has player characters of its own. The teaser poster and animated trailer also reflect that. Could the article be edited to reflect this? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 14:57, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Edit Requests

Not sure if this is the way to do it, but since the page is locked, can someone with editing access please add the player characters for Pokémon Masters and Pokémon Ga-Olé to the article? I don't see them anywhere on the article. Thanks! GrammarFreak01 (talk) 04:26, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

This page really needs some edits. Requesting someone with permits to renew the page or at least lift the protection...

Regards-- 『★¥♠§H♂』 (『†@!K™』) 17:52, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

I've lowered it to a semi protection.--ForceFire 06:08, 21 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 05:11, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
We need to look for the pictures of the player character of Pokemon Tretta and Battrio TwistedMeow (talk) 16:26, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Can't do that from my end, sorry. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 20:16, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Maybe I can do that but I'll be busy studying for 2 days. Will do that afterwards. --> 『★¥♠§H♂』 (『†@!K™』) 12:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Pokémon GO player pages

Can we add the pages for the Pokémon GO players? We can call them TrainerNIA and NIATrainer. They are used in promotions like Victor and Gloria and hold for only two players used. PokéSean (talk) 02:12, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Is the Height of Elio Canon?

I already mentioned this on Elio's Page, but I have a feeling that I might have to say something here in order for a reply to be made. So, apparently, on the trivia section of Elio (game), he has a canon height of 4'11", or 1.5 Meters. I am wondering where and how this info was gathered and why Selene (game) doesn't have a canon height as well. If that could be either fixed or added on for that piece of Trivia for Elio (and to an extend Selene), then that would be nice. I need to know if his height is truly canon for a project I am making outside of Bulbapedia.

CrazyMew37 (talk) 08:07, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

The concept art for Sun & Moon gives the heights for many of its human characters and uses Elio as a comparison. His height comes from those. Ataro (talk) 00:59, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Ataro (talk) 00:59, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Is there any proof and evidence that I can get for this? Like an image telling Elios height of some sort? (I actually see that there is a height chart with Lana, Mallow, and others, but how was Elio's height obtained through those images?) CrazyMew37 (talk) 14:38, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Image here listed his Elio's height as 150cm. --超龍Chao 06:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

--超龍Chao 06:15, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

Ooooh, I see! Thank you for conforming. I'll probably write that up on Elio's Page if that's fine.- unsigned comment from CrazyMew37 (talkcontribs)

Random research

names of the art academy protags:Lee(guy) and Lily(girl)

name source for lee: https :// .com/watch?v=9pJWW0iWtIM (took me while to find someone starting the game as a girl)

name source for lily: literally every other let's play out there

no, i have not found images of them besides the little portrait in-game

and while im at it i post these here for you guys to do whatever you want

Professor Quentin Werty(right), his assistant Paige Down(second from the right), and the player characters(but no alt colors) as well from the typing game


(no idea where this art is from but it certainly is not an asset rip from the game)

japanese names of the professor and the assistant

aoba kii(paige down)

kiuchi eiji(quentin werty)

ImHereJustToPostThis (talk) 05:14, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

i found the protagonists of art academy: lee and lily...
ImHereJustToPostThis (talk) 13:17, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
also the pokken male and female(default) avatars
ImHereJustToPostThis (talk) 07:03, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

Victor and Gloria in Twilight Wings

Should Victor and Gloria's appearance in episode 7 of Twilight Wings be mentioned in the anime section? Flamthrowr821 (talk) 23:07, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Legends: Arceus Protagonists

I think the protagonists from Pokémon Legends: Arceus should be added. Flamthrowr821 (talk) 10:26, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Pokemon Legends protagonists core series?

Are you sure these count as core series? I don't think they're any more core series than Colosseum or XD's protagonists. I think they belong in the side games section for now. Stevenbfg (talk) 23:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Unite and New Snap

The player characters from Unite and New Snap aren't there, and neither are the player characters from Pokken Tournament or Art Academy.

GO Avatars

Should we use this image ( for the art of the avatars from GO? As far as I know it's the only art of the characters made and looks better than the in-game models. The source is from a tweet from Verizon and seems official. Iml908 (talk) 02:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

here is the drawing you where referencing, but from, also to add to this, the protagonist's from pokémon channel and cafe mix/remix are Seth and Pippin respectively, but it would be nice to confirm. NidoR (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
forgot the link NidoR (talk) 14:48, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Wrong info

At the time of these games' respective releases, Red's Pikachu was the highest-leveled Pokémon owned by an in-game Trainer (Barry's fully evolved starter Pokémon temporarily surpassed the standard set in Gold and Silver until the release of their remakes, HeartGold and SoulSilver).

Is it supposed to be Silver? Barry does not exist in Pokémon Gold and Silver. — Rockapheller (talk page) 09:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

The "standard set in Gold and Silver" was Red's Pikachu, which was level 81. In Platinum, Barry's starter is a higher level than Red's Pikachu was (85), meaning he had surpassed the record set by Red. However, when HGSS were released, Red's Pikachu's level was raised up to 88, making it once again the highest. Hope that clears it up. SomnoticAgama (talk) 10:26, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

"They are usually 10 or 11 years old"

No, they aren't. How you even came to that conclusion is beyond me, and is esencially a rewording of the "all characters are 10" misconception. And last time I checked, staff said the source in question doesn't confirm anything. Inkster (talk) 00:54, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

How is this segment even allowed on this article? It's all balderdash and it's based on a vague and indeterminate statement, and having it on here is highly misleading and jumping to conclusions at best, because only four of the player characters (Red, Brendan/May, Hilbert/Hilda, and Elio/Selene) have given ages. Inkster (talk) 01:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
You are still trying to get your own way and refusing to listen. The source is fine here as it's still giving a broad age range of what these characters are suppose to be. It's not fine on specifc characters, because the source doesn't specify which ones are supposedly that age. That's the difference. Broad statement fine for a broad article, but not for a specific article.--ForceFire 15:18, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
"Because the source doesn't specify which ones are supposedly that age." See, that's the problem. The *translation* sourced is too vague and indeterminate to be considered reliable, and translations are not 100% accurate. Plus, only two of the player characters (namely Red and Elio/Selene) are in that range, and saying they're "usually" is a stretch, and feeds into the common misconception that "all of the protagonists are 10". People are way too over-eager when they see numbers. I don't think that part should even be listed on the article at all, no matter how obvious it may be. What I'm saying is that we should not rely on a translation of a magazine. And as Kynn mentioned months ago, there was never an age that was explicitly revealed in the magazine, making the source completely meaningless. It not only doesn't include any strong confirmation regarding to player characters' ages, in fact the interview doesn't even mention a clear age for Hilbert or Hilda, but this article is trying to show like if that quote is somehow factual information.
TL;DR As glik, a staff member from the Editorial Board, a higher rank than that of a bureaucrat, put it very explicitly, the source doesn't confirm anything. So can you blame me for trying to fix the damage that I caused? Inkster (talk) 16:27, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Scarlet and Violet female's protagonist name

Recent Pokémon Presents official raid media has shown the name Juliana and アオイ for female protagonist I suggest changing and the creation of her own page. (talk) 20:22, 03 Augusto 2022 (UTC)

Pre-release materials also referred to Serena as Yvonne, so there's a possibility her default name could be something else. Kikugi (talk) 20:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Currently looking through the Pokémon Presents to see where it says a name, as this peaked my curiosity. Inkster (talk) 00:39, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
"Juliana" can be found here with this image in particular. We are also aware that the male protagonist is referred to as ハルト according to the recent trailer (around 3:20), but the English trailer has "You" instead. There's no need to rush in creating the pages right now. We'll just have to wait and see if they keep these consistent. --超龍Chao 02:48, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
I don't think the "You used a Poké Ball!" in the English trailer has to do with the male protagonist's name. Inkster (talk) 03:28, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
I didn't mean that as the male protagonist being named "You" in English. I'm just pointing out that there's a pre-release name for the male protagonist in Japanese but not in English. --超龍Chao 04:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

We don't add the names of the new player characters until we are certain that those are the final names and not placeholders. And that's usually after the games are released and there are official material referring to the new characters with those names. It's how we've handled the names for all new protagonists.--ForceFire 15:21, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

LA clarification

I feel as though it should be noted somewhere that Rei/Akari are not the actual player characters. The one you play as comes from the present day (and are presumably Lucas and Dawn), while Rei/Akari are the nonplayable ancestors. --GopyXP (talk) 21:36, 23 December 2022 (UTC)

Missing protagonists?

We're currently missing the protagonists from New Pokemon Snap, Pokken Tournament, and Pokemon Mezastar I believe, as well as Pokemon Zany Cards. Also, for those thinking I missed Lily and Lee from Art Academy, those aren't protagonists, the actual protagonist is unseen. The only reason why people may think that is because which one appears depends on your gender (Lily for Male, Lee for Female) AaadyB (talk) 21:21, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Here is a "calk" i made out of this vid of the Zany Cards protagonist "YOU", also don't forget about the UNITE protagonists Sprigarden (talk) 12:46, 16 November 2023 (UTC)


As discussed on Discord the other day, maybe we could have a separate page listing all instances where a Pokémon is controlled by the player. One possible name for that page is "Pokémon player character".

The reasons for creating this "Pokémon player character" would be:

  1. arguably this is a an interesting concept on its own, we might want to see how many games have Pokémon as player characters
  2. the main page "player character" is currently 70k+ in size, so it's pretty long anyway

That suggested page would contain information such as:

  • Pikachu in the Pikachu's Beach minigame from Pokémon Yellow
  • Minigames in FRLG/Emerald
  • Pokéathlon in HGSS
  • Pikachu and Eevee obtaining the Lift Key in LGPE
  • N64 Stadium minigames
  • e-Reader games where you control a Pokémon
  • Poké games where you control a Pokémon
  • Pokkén
  • Mystery Dungeon
  • Rumble
  • PokéPark
  • Dash
  • Team Turbo (obscure PC game)

I suppose the page "player character" can still have some short text explaining that things like PokéPark, Rumble, Mystery Dungeon, and so on exist but the main content with details and images would be in "Pokémon player character". --Daniel Carrero (talk) 05:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I support the split idea; it'd be interesting to go into detail about what games allow you to play as a Pokémon. I think that, kinda like you suggested, this page can briefly mention games where you exclusively play as a Pokémon and link to the appropriate section on the other article for more details. However, for a game like Detective Pikachu Returns where the primary player character is a human but there are occasions where you can control a Pokémon, I think only the primary player character should be mentioned on this page, while the other article has information about the occasions where you control a Pokémon. I'm not enamored with the title "Pokémon player character" about "playable Pokémon"? Storm Aurora (talk) 06:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
In my opinion, either name looks OK: "Pokémon player character" or "playable Pokémon". Yes, maybe "playable Pokémon" could be the best option since it's shorter.
As we know, the "Player character" page has a "Detective Pikachu series" section. In addition to saying that the protagonist is Tim Goodman, it also mentions that at some point the player temporarily takes control of Harry Goodman too, and it has a short list of playable Pokémon (including when we control Detective Pikachu riding another Pokémon).
If we create the "Playable Pokémon" page, then it would be nice if we could add a gallery with images of those playable Pokémon from Detective Pikachu Returns. Maybe the "Player character" page could still have a small note in the "Detective Pikachu series" section like this with the correct link: "See also the playable Pokémon in this game." --Daniel Carrero (talk) 08:42, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

There's already the page Hero Pokémon that talks about the player character in Mystery Dungeon, though. --CuteShaymin (talk) 09:09, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

The article "Hero Pokémon" is just referring to the starting player character in the Mystery Dungeon series. However, we eventually unlock the feature of controlling any other Pokémon as our character as well, not just the hero.
For this reason, the "Player character" page currently has a section named "Pokémon Mystery Dungeon series", which basically contains a short list of how many playable Pokémon are available per game. For instance, it says that there are 386 playable Pokémon available in Red and Blue Rescue Team. If we create a new page named "Playable Pokémon" as discussed above, this kind of content can be on the new page. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 12:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Counterpoint: if no one can agree on what is/isn't, then splitting the page in that manner is functionally a no go. Generally speaking, someone should be able to determine which page they need to go to on sight, and (somehow) which games the player plays as a Pokémon is simply too subjective to split. I'd much rather just split by core and spin off, and then split further by series if needed.
Here's a fun case: Rumble World represents you as a Mii character. Yet the gameplay is identical to the older Rumble games, so the point of view is tied to the Pokemon. And yet, the Mii representing the player is fully capable of appearing in game in a gameplay relevant role alongside the Pokemon being used. Do you play as a Pokémon in Rumble World or not? If it counts, then what stops a core series RPG from counting? (Probably the marketing for the game, since Pokemon leaves a pretty long paper trail behind in its website. But do you see the problem?) Salmancer (talk) 23:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
In my opinion, the fact that a Pokémon is owned by a Trainer does not change whether it is a playable Pokémon or not. The concept of "playable Pokémon" is about the gameplay, while the concept of "Pokémon with a Trainer" is about the lore instead.
In Rumble World, we can control Pokémon directly. We use the D-pad to move them, and the A and B buttons to attack. In fact, the player can directly control the Pokémon while the Mii follows it automatically.
This is one possible idea: I would suggest that the page "Playable Pokémon" can explain how things work in all the Rumble games, while the page "Player character" can have a minor summary and link to the "Playable Pokémon" page for details.
In fact, the coverage of Rumble World on the "Player character" page is not good enough at the moment, since it just states this and nothing else: "In Pokémon Rumble World, the player starts as their Mii character."
As for the core series, there are several ways in which we control Pokémon directly. The Pokéathlon would count, as well as the Pikachu's Beach minigame in Yellow. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 00:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
My interpretation is that this split would distinguish between instances in which the player commands Pokémon via a human character intermediary and instances in which the player controls a Pokémon directly. I would support a split to a page titled "Playable Pokémon" or something like that. Apopheniac (talk) 01:44, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Plus has a lot of pontential, easy to navigate and more fun pages to create and be creative on. i say go for it and we will make it as a team. Plus this ha snot stopped us before. Look at the process we made with first partner pokemon so far.--Jacob9594 (talk) 03:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
I just don't see it. The line is still fuzzy. There are two groups of troublemakers remaining:
  • Rhythm games: The player has limited influence on these kinds of games anyway, so it's even harder to make a judgement call. At some point or another, you're just splitting hairs. Is a Pokémon Musical an instance of Playable Pokémon, despite having only 0/1/2 inflection points? Does it stop being an instance just because the player brings 0 Props they can use in the game?
  • Abstract games, largely of the puzzle variety: The present "criteria" largely break down in genres where the playfield just doesn't normally include a character... as in most puzzle games. Sure, Cafe Remix marketing appears to say it goes in the "human" bucket, but determining if Tepig's Tasty Treat Toaster is meant to have the player be Tepig, or if Excadrill's Tunnel Trouble is meant to have the player be Excadrill is close to impossible with the lines drawn as they are, because these games don't even have character movement. Salmancer (talk) 06:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)