User talk:TrainerSplash

Hallo! I'm Trainer Splash! TrainerSplash (talk) 03:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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• Pokémon TCG Illustration Collection artbook citation
• Removing datamined information without cause
• Gallery images
• Rotom appliances height trivia
• Edit warring
• Trials on the Isle trivia
• Masters EX
• Hi.
• Ultra Wormhole edit
• Melli
• Looker Episode
• Rei/Akari
• Recent revert on Mega Evolution
• "These notable trainers use this Pokémon" edits
• Your Rotom undo.
• Totem Pokémon Trial battles

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Pokémon TCG Illustration Collection artbook citation

Hi there! i would like to ask you something. On 4 September 2022, you made an edit to the Yusuke Ohmura page mentioning that he designed Froakie, citing the "Pokémon Trading Card Game Illustration Collection" art book as your source. If i may ask, do you know the specific page where the info is mentioned? Thanks in advance! Anzasquiddles (talk) 14:05, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

It should be available on page 183 on his personal section of the page. TrainerSplash (talk) 22:57, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Anzasquiddles (talk) 00:51, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Removing datamined information without cause

Hi, just so you're aware, nearly all game stats, mechanics, and other "not explained ingame" information on Bulbapedia is provided by datamining the games. Bulbapedia has a policy against posting information related to leaks, not datamined information readily available in a currently released game. Please do not continue to revert edits on the basis that "the game already contains some information about the DLC" is equivalent to a leak or "spoilers" and should be censored.
Additionally, public announcements such as the DLC announcement video for Scarlet and Violet are also very much not violating any policy, information provided by official announcements is fair game for being documented. If this was not the case, we would need to scrub all the mechanics pages for the last several generations, all game stats from individual Pokémon pages, etc. We also have existing template that cover warning readers about things that are considered "major game spoilers", which already existing Pokémon will appear in an upcoming DLC does not constitute a major spoiler.
If you consider it a spoiler, or you believe datamined information should not be on Bulbapedia, that is personal opinion, not policy, and should not be used as your basis for making edits, or dictating the content allowed on Bulbapedia pages. Atrius97 (talk) 16:08, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

This is the worst take imaginable and completely ignores what my intention or point is. But I don't really give enough of hoot to deal with it longer, so do what you want I guess. TrainerSplash (talk) 23:33, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

You hid a list of Pokémon that will not have any Switch game compatibility from the trivia section of the HOME page, twice, with the comments that "it was a spoiler", and "non-concrete" despite the information being from a reliable datamined source, already available in the Scarlet and Violet code. If you had some other intention or point, it wasn't apparent, it really just looked like hiding content for the sake of "I think this is a spoiler/don't trust datamined sources". The source(s) used for that section are fairly reliable and hasn't given false information in the past, for reference. Atrius97 (talk) 07:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

I simply thought the information shouldn't be there (and talking with other users, turns out I mistook it for other information anyways). I'd appreciate it if you'd stop with the passive aggressiveness and assuming of malicious intent and just admit that some people can make mistakes. There's an easier way to settle this than with rude remarks. I never said the information was wrong (I think it's correct), and I didn't think it deserved to be there or on that page (if it's okay to have there, that's all that needed to be said, I'm fine with admitting I did something wrong).

I'm planning to end this here, so unless there's some other weird thing you'd like to rudely speak to me of, then by all means, please do so. TrainerSplash (talk) 07:24, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Responding on someone's talk page to discuss a dispute is standard practice, as opposed to starting an edit/revert war, which I wanted to avoid. Coming here to explain why it the information is/should remain there was not intended as being passive aggressive, I tried to lay out my stance as clearly as possible, and you have my apologies if my tone appeared that way. Atrius97 (talk) 20:52, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Gallery images

Images in the galleries shouldn't be so big that it's in your face, they should be of reasonable size. If one wants to see the image more clearer, then they can click on the image to see its full size.--ForceFire 09:38, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Speaking of galleries, may I ask why you are moving them to a different position on the pages? They belong in between the games and quotes sections. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Rotom appliances height trivia

Hi! I read a trivia you wrote in List of Pokémon by height#Trivia: “The height of a Rotom and its forms in Pokémon Legends: Arceus are based on their average height, showing the height listed in their summary, as opposed to the normal sizes of the appliances like in Pokémon HOME's size comparison feature.” I do not understand it, and other users I showed it to are not sure either. Could you clarify it? Thanks! --Myvh (talk) 17:09, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Aloha! I apologize for the awkward writing. Essentially Rotom's height in-game in PLA is based on it's literal Pokedex and summary descriptions (if you have a Rotom that's 2'5" for example, it will literally show up as 2'5" when out of its Poke Ball, regardless of form). In Pokemon HOME, Rotom's forms ignore the 1'00" height in the size comparison feature, meaning Frost Rotom is the size of an actual refrigerator despite the Pokedex saying it should be 1 foot tall. I hope this explains things! TrainerSplash (talk) 20:04, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I get it now. I just edited it to make it clearer. --Myvh (talk) 07:17, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hi! Regarding Ash's Lycanroc, if you're not already aware, I wanted to let you know that adding information back in to an article that has been removed (not including clear vandalism) can constitute as edit warring, especially without much of an explanation. Please, in the future, when there is a disagreement regarding the content of a page, make sure to use the talk page and reach a consensus before making additional edits. If an agreement cannot be reached, you can always bring the issue to a staff member.

We will be making an annoucement regarding the status of the page soon. We appreciate your patience. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or another staff member. Thank you. Landfish7 03:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Trials on the Isle trivia

Hi! I'm wondering what your reason was for removing the second trivia point from the Trials on the Isle page. I thought it was useful to explain where the joke comes from so people who weren't involved in the fandom when SM released could understand it, and just saying "No" doesn't explain to me why you removed it. Storm Aurora (talk) 03:58, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Alola! Hi! To be completely honest, I think I was a bit hasty with it due to personal bias on how the characters are to be interpreted. But I removed the trivia as a whole because I don't think it really belongs, it leans too much on fandom discourse and non-canon (even if the joke itself is based on how the larger community sees the character). The way it was worded made it seem like it was grounded in canon or if the characters didn't emote in any sort of situation at all (which isnt' true in the slightest) or that it was just exclusive to them (all main characters up until SV acted like this), when in reality it was just something more noticeable in Sun and Moon in particular and the joke in Masters played it off that (for better or for worse, but my bias there is irrelevant lol). It was worded awkwardly and just overall rubbed me the wrong way. I thought it was just better off to be removed to avoid giving nay sense of wrong interpretation from any side, (and also if you have to explain the joke it wouldn't be funny :P )

It could be reworded so that the information makes it so that it's a fandom inside joke and something that all silent protagonists just kinda do. Not everyone interprets the events of the game the same way. And to say that most (if not all) cut scenes in the games are like that feels awkward as heck when it's not only inconsistent within SM-related media, but also something that all protagonists do. If you feel like what I did was done completely in bias and was unnecessary feel free to revert it (I'll cope in private about it lol), but I don't think the information belongs at all and/or makes a huge misinterpretation of the actual joke/characters itself. TrainerSplash (talk) 06:42, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Masters EX

The only reason I deleted the "Pokémon Masters Animated Trailer" in the "In the anime" section from Gladion, Lusamine‎‎, and Lillie page is that it wasn't consistent with the other character pages that also appeared in that trailer. For example, Palmer had the "Pokémon Masters Animated Trailer" in the "In the anime" section as well, until he was added to the game, in which case someone moved it to Palmer's Masters' page. All I'm doing is trying to be consistent with the other character pages. TBR2001 (talk) 20:10, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

The only characters that have "Pokémon Masters Animated Trailer" in the "In the anime" section are Cilan, Chili, and Cress, because they aren't playable in the game yet, so they don't have their own Masters Pages as of now. TBR2001 (talk) 20:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

This is not a reason to remove information. Pages should be consistent yes, but they should also lead into other pages. The information should either be grouped up with the Masters section or split with the anime stuff. As you've been told before, if the other pages don't include them you can always just add them. There should never be a reason to actively remove information unless it's wrong (in which, if it's misinformation it should be reworded instead). Entire character biography and gallery sections are one thing, mentioning a cameo is another. It's okay for pages to have the same information. TrainerSplash (talk) 18:56, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi.

In regards to recent back-and-forth editing, a reminder to please consider reaching an agreement or consensus using talk pages rather than using the undo button. Thank you. Landfish7 20:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Ultra Wormhole edit

I admit. In retrospect, I started thinking I should've added the info back in the way you did. I just reacted impulsively, and I agree it looks much better when it's on the same row as the rest of the paragraph. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 00:44, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

No prob bob! Thanks for understanding! TrainerSplash (talk) 00:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 01:28, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Melli

The player is actually forced to refuse Melli's first offer to battle him. The options presented to them are "Absolutely not" and "Maybe another time", which both basically mean "no". Melli's dialogue is the same regardless of which one you pick.

In the future, please make sure to double check to see if the information you're presenting is accurate. PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 20:21, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Looker Episode

Could you please provide me with an official source for the name of SM's postgame storyline? PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 22:18, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Sure! When I had originally made that template, if something wasn't used in public promotion or stated in-game, official guides were used to find the official name (this specifically applied to both SM and SwSh!). Both the Sun and Moon English Guide Book as well as the English Pokedex book for Sun and Moon published by Prima Guides in 2016 refer to it as the "Looker Episode". The Pokedex guide in particular provides a capital "E" in episode when referring to the whole thing in full outside of being used as titles, suggesting this is the name of plot and not just something that they simply call it. Obviously we shouldn't use fake names either, but notably, Sun and Moon was put between ORAS, which featured the Delta Episode, and USUM, which featured Episode RR, so it would remain consistent, appearing that they preferred to call their post game plots at the time as "episodes". Thanks for asking! if you need anything else, let me know! TrainerSplash (talk) 08:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I appreciate the response. Truth be told, I actually did look into it shortly after posting on your talk page and was able to find a page from the Prima guide that called it the "Looker Episode"; I just forgot to mention it here.

To be honest, I wasn't a fan of your edit summary on the template page, particularly in regards to the "fake name" thing since it felt a bit accusatory to me. I think "fanmade name" would've been more appropriate since "fake" implies intentional deceit (and I was only going by what I saw on multiple Bulbapedia pages since I didn't think there was an official name).

However, after reading your response here, I don't think you had any ill intent. Please just be a bit more mindful of your tone in the future and try to provide your sources in edit summaries. Thank you! PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 10:09, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm aware that I can come off as a bit abrasive, rude and defensive, this is often unintentional and it's something I'm personally trying to work on as I have trouble with social skills. I apologize for any negative reactions and any harsh tones I may have accidentally created. I appreciate the effort to take this in a peaceful manner and I'm glad to have helped, Pokemon (especially Sun and Moon and Legends: Arceus!) is something I'm very passionate about and I like sharing what I have learned. TrainerSplash (talk) 22:29, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Rei/Akari

I changed the quote you used on the Friend page to a similar one that Laventon uses regardless of gender. I knew for a while about Laventon's quotes, but I didn't know if they should be used since they also involved a third party being called a "friend" (Laventon). However, given that Laventon is pretty clearly not part of that archetype in the traditional sense, I personally feel like it's fine to use them.

(It also gives me a reason to add Ben/Summer to the Ranger section under similar circumstances.) PokemonMasterJamal3 (talk) 19:11, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Completely fine by me, nice find!

I'm completely fine with the source being a third party within reason. Laventon is incredibly close to both the player and Rei/Akari, and since Rei/Akari couldn't speak for themselves after played was exiled, I think them being incredibly worried for them was enough reason to consider, just needed to find a good quote haha. TrainerSplash (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Recent revert on Mega Evolution

Hello! I honestly do understand the reasoning behind the revert and would not have any problem with it if it was only about the text organization and the Iron Valiant trivia, but, by reverting, you also removed the information and citations I added to the Draconid section and some other stuff I added in trivia, such as the updated numbers for the Mega-Evolved Pokémon that didn't appear in the anime. I will return this information to the page while keeping it the rest unchanged, following your input. I just think, in cases like this, a proper reorder or manual undo could've dealt with the situation better. Shinka (talk) 18:09, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

I see, no worries, thanks for telling me! Feel free to combine changes then. I'll be honest I just saw a massive deletion of content, that has happened more than once and I've only scanned what changes were actually done, so I was under the impression that many things were being removed for unnecessary purposes (especially since I went over the history section many times to make sure it's legible and understood myself). I'll try to be more careful with revisions next time. TrainerSplash (talk) 21:44, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

"These notable trainers use this Pokémon" edits

So, i was going to Garchomp's page to look at its dex entries, i open the game data page, and i'm immediately flashbanged by a wall of text listing every notable NPC to use one in the core series.

What?

I checked your edit history and you seem to be behind most of them (although do forgive if this is someone else's project that you're helping with). Did you actually check with anyone before doing this? Because the only edit summary i can find on any of them is "I thought it would be cool". This feels really unnecessary, Bulbapedia has faced criticism for having less useful information placed above the game data section before (which have since been fixed), now having a huge block of text walling you off from just checking if Charizard learns Inferno or not sounds like a horrible idea.

While they technically ARE NPC appearances (rip Nemona's Tauros i guess), putting something like Hop's Toxel on the same level as, say, Sonia's Yamper (who i just learnt DOESN'T have an NPC appearances section so this comparison doesn't even work?????) just feels really wrong. And again, is a huge waste of space. ButSmeargleCan'tUseTheMove (talk) 19:37, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

What's the issue with them? Cynthia's Garchomp is a notable Pokemon, and if we're going to have a list of NPC appearances, we may as well list characters who own those Pokemon. These are an expansion on NPC Pokemon, like how Nebby is mentioned on the Cosmog page. A list of Trainers who own Charizard IS important, especially since it's a recurring character in the franchise. I'm not sure why this should be avoided just because you think Hop's Toxel is notable. Just because I didn't add Sonia's Yamper doesn't mean it shouldn't be listed either, I just never got around to it. I push hard on these types of edits I do because it encourages people to do them too (my efforts on appearance/personality sections and the galleries being the way they are are proof of this). On top of your strawman, because I haven't gotten around to Toxel or Yamper yet, this sounds like a personal problem, I have to deal stuff I don't want on these pages as well (we don't need to mention Evolution methods and forms 3-4 times on a single page).

I'm sorry you don't like them. But unless staff feels that this is objectively unimportant to include, I think it's completely fine, especially since I'm adding information that people may be interested in. I have been in several discussions from which people ask "how often is Charizard actually used?", especially since there are characters with notable appearances (Poke Kids are dressed like Pikachu and use only Pikachu prior to SwSh, Ohtani, Pikachu's actor appears several times to use Pikachu, it just makes sense these can be considered notable appearances) I won't avoid doing these, but if you think as though I am over bloating them, I am willing to come to a compromise as to what Trainer's Pokemon should be listed. But avoiding Hop's Toxel because you don't think it's unimportant over Sonia's Yamper is a highly subjective reason and I see no reason why (for a better comparison) Red's Pikachu should be listed over Surge's. TrainerSplash (talk) 21:49, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

My point with Toxel and Yamper was that one is an absurdly irrelevant Pokémon seen in one battle, while the other is a Pokémon that not only shows up in the overworld, but has multiple lines of dialogue (even if they're all gibberish) and you could pretty uncontroversially consider a character. Another example from the same game is Leon's Charizard, who i definitely would've used if i remembered he existed when i wrote that.

These edits put those two kinds of character on the same pedestal as "Notable NPC" despite Cynthia's Garchomp never even being seen outside of battle or having any dialogue once. A "Trainer Pokédex" like the discontinued one on Serebii that shows every trainer that uses a specific Pokémon would be a far better way to handle something like this, since again, having it in NPC appearances adds an absurd amount of text to scroll through before actually getting to what you came for, which as i said, has been commonly considered one of Bulbapedia's worst issues in the past. At least when Billy's Pupitar is somehow considered as notable as Murph's Slowpoke, that barely takes up any space and can easily be ignored.

If NPC Pokémon like the aftermentioned Cynthia's Garchomp absolutley MUST be mentioned, it should at least be kept to ones of similar notability. Despite both being never seen outside of battle, i somehow feel like Red's Pikachu is far more worthy of a shout-out than Lt. Surge's. ButSmeargleCan'tUseTheMove (talk) 04:36, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

I am not going to do a game of "which Pokemon is notable enough to be included in a list." There is nothing signifying what makes a one more notable other than it belong to a character with a fleshed out name and design. I'd be very happy to only jot out the "ace" of each Trainer, but unfortunately that definition changes from person to person AND from game to game.

If you think an area other than the NPC sections is better than this, be my guest in making one, I'll add to it. I am not a fan of over extending pages either, and I would prefer them to be extended off in unique pages Pikachu (Pokemon)/Spin-offs would be a welcome addition, and the staff seemed uninterested in doing that. Regardless I think the information I am doing is notable. I'm sorry it bothers you but I'm not going to change my work on it. The NPC sections were something randomly included and I added onto it, especially since a majority of what I am adding is related to bosses and story details (in fact, I have been *trimming* down these sections because I think I've been writing too much information on them.)

There is a certain threshold that I do have. I am not including random no name trainers such as Joey's Rattata because who genuinely cares what a random youngster uses? Poke Kids (the class as a whole) were merely an exception because it's literally what they use. Your anime comparison doesn't work because I think half of those pages should be purged, and I know that isn't ever going to happen, but ultimately I hardly work on the anime pages unless there is to be a direct game comparison. TrainerSplash (talk) 06:44, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

Your Rotom undo.

Hello, I wasn't clear on my Rotom edit that you undid. The reason I put it there is because there's nothing saying about where to get the Rotom Catalogue. I should've said more than just Legends: ZA.

Also, I was told to never say the word "your" in this wiki unless it's a quote from the game, so I changed that too. (Not sure why you undid that too though). ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 05:59, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

Heya! I believe a simple explanation that the Rotom Catalog exists is fine in my opinion, if readers want to know more about the item and how to obtain it they should head over to the Rotom Catalog page (which is linked). The Rotom's Room page never explained where to get the Rotom Catalog in any game, just that you have to buy it or get rewarded it and that includes Z-A where it's rewarded to the player for doing the side mission. Only reason I explained how to get BDSP there is because it has two methods in the game compared to one or the other, so it'd be rather difficult to explain the situation going on there.

As for the Your Quarters edit, we do try to avoid saying "your" in most cases. However the actual name of the location really is "Your Quarters", so it shouldn't be adjusted. I'm sure there is other cases on the wiki that says "the player's quarters" I think that would be incorrect. But I guess it ultimately depends on if you're referring to the location by a proper name, or using it in the sense that the player owns that location. I default the real location name, as it is easier to explain. Although upon second look, I completely forgot to capitalize the location as it is in game, so that's my fault. TrainerSplash (talk) 06:21, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

Totem Pokémon Trial battles

Hello TreinarSplash! I just wanted to ask about your opinion on the Totem Pokémon page's trial battles, you seem to think them as unnecessary, but that was very based on sections of the Noble and Titan Pokémon, which are very mechanically similar to Totem Pokémon, would those sections be unnecessary too? Please let me know, i want to understand your perspective better. ^^ Trainersurrel0409 (talk) 05:06, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

Yeah I would say they're unnecessary on those pages too. Ideally, I think it would also be better to have a page based around the quelling of the Noble Pokemon if they were to all be collectively described as it's describing a certain gameplay and mechanic (especially considering Dialga, Palkia and Arceus are played the same way). TrainerSplash (talk) 21:50, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

I'm not gonna lie, i just added that to the page because when i changed the list of Totems, i also got rid of the levels and the Pokémon allies. Also because the Titan and Noble Pokémon had that too. Trainersurrel0409 (talk) 22:53, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

I personally feel like the allies probably could have stayed, since that seems like a consistent part of their battle description in multiple media formats, but I'm not entirely against your decision on that either, I can see why it'd be a bit pointless. I like the inclusion of Z-Crystals and captains though, I think that makes sense to keep consistent with the other two pages.

I think it's fine that these boss pages can be a bit inconsistent between one another, they are different boss types after all. The Rogue Mega Evolution page is just handled completely different due to the subject, despite the fact that it's clearly an expanded idea that they had for the Nobles in PLA. Although one can probably argue that Dialga, Palkia and Arceus should probably be included on the Noble page like how Kyogre and Groudon are on the Rogue Mega Evolution page. But I think that makes it a bit more clear that this is a case-by-case basis on what "makes sense" and that changes based on user to user. Maybe the consistency situation should be brought up on one of talk pages? TrainerSplash (talk) 05:55, 9 February 2026 (UTC)