Talk:Pokémon of Myth

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But... we don't even know if they're a trio... TTEchidna 05:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Wait a tick...

Palkia is the Space pokemon
Dialga is the Time pokemon
Arceus is the Alpha pokemon

Wouldn't this technically be the trio; given that, well, aren't Palkia and Dialga technically made of Arceus, or something?

Although, if you took into account that Giratina is related to an "ancient cemetary in another dimension", you could technically consider it: Arceus ; life ; Alpha Giratina ; death ; Omega

Beginning and end, so to speak...maybe it could work? Myrmidon 06:58, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

That'd then make Arceus the master of this trio, too... TTEchidna 09:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Arceus really did a lot for the world of Pokémon, at least in the mythology. Althoughit is unknown how Arceus relates to Giratina, unlike Dialga and Palkia, where it is clearly known that Arceus created the two. Therefore, it is not really certain if Arceus is in fact the master of this trio. Pokéball 18:27, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Either way, I still don't think we should name the "dragon trio" off until DP v3 comes out. We knew beforehand that Rayquaza was the third member of the weather trio, but that's mostly because it just fit. Far as I'm concerned, Dialga and Palkia are just a duo, like Ho-Oh and Lugia. TTEchidna 19:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Isn't it obvious that Arceus created Giratina? --Shiny Noctowl^{Talk | Contribs} 01:45, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's proof:

Attacks (Attacks in bold do direct damage)	Start	DragonBreath Scary Face
	10	Metal Claw	Water Pulse	Ominous Wind
	20	AncientPower
	30	Dragon Claw
	40	Roar of Time	Spacial Rend	Shadow Force
	50	Heal Block
	60	Earth Power
	70	Slash
	80	Flash Cannon	Aqua Tail	Shadow Claw
	90	Aura Sphere

Shiny^{Talk | Contribs} 12:13, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm totally against this. This is purely fan speculation... Agent 448^{δ | DP} | ☆ 11:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Seconded. Adding a cleanup tag. Fan speculation and move similarity mean sh*t, tbh.Dark0805 (talk|contribs) 17:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Compare to this:

Attacks (Attacks in bold do direct damage)	Start	Water Pulse	Mud Shot	Twister
	5	Scary Face
	15	AncientPower
	20	Body Slam	Slash	Dragon Claw
	30	Calm Mind	Bulk Up	Dragon Dance
	35	Ice Beam	Earthquake	Crunch
	45	Hydro Pump	Fire Blast	Fly
	50	Rest
	60	Sheer Cold	Fissure	ExtremeSpeed
	65	Double-Edge	SolarBeam	Hyper Beam
	75	Aqua Tail	Earth Power	Dragon Pulse
	80	Water Spout	Eruption	Outrage

Or this:

Attacks (Attacks in bold do direct damage)	Start	Explosion
	9	Rock Throw	Icy Wind	Metal Claw
	17	Curse
	25	Superpower
	33	AncientPower
	41	Iron Defense	Amnesia	Iron Defense Amnesia
	49	Charge Beam
	57	Lock-On
	65	Zap Cannon
	73	Stone Edge	Ice Beam	Iron Head Flash Cannon
	81	Hammer Arm
	89	Hyper Beam

Shiny^{Talk | Contribs} 12:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Well it is possible. There is space and time. What else is there. Giratina is said to live in a world on the reverse side of ours. This is possibly the afterlife. This place may neither be space nor time. If these three pokémon are a trio, then it would mean that this trio would control Space, Time, and the Afterlife, which are the only places where anyone could possibly be. Pokemaniac102

AND THEY ALL SHARE THE SAME STATS ONLY MIXED UP.

So, since it's not official. the Dragon Trio, although is based on a certain amount of canon, is fanon as Pokémon and Nintendo have nto released it officially...Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 07:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

First, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina all appear in the 11th movie. Second, WHY CAN'T WE ALL WAIT!!!Pokemaniac102 17:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Unless someone can give me official proof that these three are the trio, and that Giratina is the master and the mascot for the third DP game, I'm putting a delete notice on this page. Canon, people! -ニョロトノ666

"May even be true" doesn't cut it here. For instance, it may be true that Ash Ketchum is a cross-dressing girl! However, I'll hold off on the deletion notice until a sysop okays it. -ニョロトノ666

How bout shipping the names are fanon and the whole thing is fanon.Pokemaniac102 23:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Shipping usually has some logical basis, and it's noted that it may not be true. It's accepted that ships are often false (sorry, shippers!), but stuff like this has no place here unless it's official. -ニョロトノ666

These three Pokémon being a trio has some logical basis, and it is noted that it may or may not be true. But there are people who believe that these three pokémon are a trio. Some ships have come true(Rocketshipping in manga) and this may come true too. There are reason that I believe that these three pokémon are a trio:

   *They all have the same stats just mixed up.
   *They have similar moves, as seen above.
   *They look similar in appearance.
   *They all were created at the same time, as said in the article about the History of the Pokémon world.
   *I believe that Palkia controls space, Dialga controls time, and Giratina controls the only other thing, the afterlife.

But still, it hasn't been revealed yet. But there is a possibility that, if a third version comes out, It may be Giratina (or Arceus).Pokemaniac102 21:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

The possibility of it being Arceus is zero. If the third game confirms that Giratina is the third part of the chain, then fine, make the article. But until that game comes out, this is nothing but fanwank, and thus does not belong here. This page should be scrapped until this information can be OFFICIALLY confirmed. --Dual 09:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, following Crystal's pattern, it could be one of the Lake Trio. Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 10:14, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Completely possible. But lets leave this article to rot until V3 comes out.^PokeManiac₁₀₂01:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

IF there's a V3. Gen IV has been avoiding most of the rules, such as nearly getting Dark, Psychic and Fighting starters and not all the new Pokémon are in the new dex. Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 13:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

wait.. if we go by emeralds patten. the MAY be a battle between Palkia and diagla as depicted in the movies and Giratina will quell the battle. Dakclaw

Giratina cannot represent the afterlife, as the Lake trio have been stated to represent spirit. MATTER, on the other hand, is seperate from space and time, yet does not seem to be represented by Giratina. Noname

I'm not talking about MATTER, I'm talking about life. What creates life, besides spirit. Space, for things to move. Time, for things to accelerate. And a life after life...^PokeManiac₁₀₂ 01:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I doubt that Giratina represents life after death, but I do beleive he represents Death itself. He lives in a cemetary and is part ghost. Noname The afterlife would be a bit of a streach and I doubt they would do that in a pokemon game.

whait you're forgetting something important. If any of you has played Ruby/Sapphire, you'll note that Rayquaza is not considered part of the wheather trio, althought it has similar attacks and base stats, and it is catchable only after the elite 4. it is later given a special role in Emerald AND THEN IT IS CONSIDERED part of it. Maybe it is what will happen with Giratina, and in the third Sinnoh game, a legend will say that Arceus created the three, as it happened in Emerald with Rayquaza who in Ruby/Sapphire is not mentioned anywhere. Hfc2x 20:57, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, until then, this is pure speculation, which does not belong here. We need a template or something that states that it's only speculation, and is not canon as of yet. Vekter 17:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Giratina is part of the trio, opposing both Palkia and Dialga. I believe it's something like this: Palkia is space, Dialga is time, and Giratina would be the absence of space/time. If it's established that Giratina is "a Pokémon from another dimension", it's very easy to understand that the concept of time is different to Giratina. Also, his signature move being "Dark Void" tells us about the concept of space (also different from ours). Anyway, let's wait for the third game. I'm quite sure they'll explore Giratina as opposed to Dialga/Palkia, or maybe some collateral effect of Arceus' creation. --Rafaelpuff 20:04, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree 100% with you, but Giratina's signature move is Shadow Force. Dark Void is Darkrai's signature. hfc2X 03:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Since this is speculation anyway, consider this: Giratina's Shadow Force makes it "suddenly vanish", making it completely untouchable. It's possible it does this but exploiting it's absence of space and time, then the next turn it rematerializes intersecting its target, causing the damage as the solid matter (or pseudo-solid in Giratina's case) violently attempts to resolve a physical impossibility.--Zyphers 12:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, sorry, my bad. I've written Dark Void with the ingame animation of Shadow Force in mind. Thanks for the correction. Now, what about the new rumours? About Giratina being the mascot of the third game? If these rumours are confirmed, I guess it's no doubt that there is a Dragon Trio. Also, Serebii.net announced that there'll be a new dual-type form to Arceus - maybe an ancient form of Arceus before he "created the Dragons from itself"? Well, anyway, this is only speculation. But I like Zyphers' theory (about Giratina's Shadow Force) very much. --Rafaelpuff 17:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Dragon Trio has been officially confirmed

At last no more speculation. People who hasn't checked Serebii.net do it. A hi-res scan of the Coro coro magazine has leaked and is available here. As you can see in the pic, cyrus is standing in front of Dialga, Palkia and the shadow of Giratina. hfc2X 21:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

That imaged could be faked or photoshopped......C is for Cookie 21:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Please know that THE WHOLE THING CAN BE FAKE!•Pokemaniac102 21:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

giratina is on teh box art for pokemon platinum which has been officially announced... Arutoa 20:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Well then NOW it is conformed.•Pokemaniac102 20:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

well then lugia ho-oh and suicune are a trio by that logic - touché! OrigamiGuy-_T-C-M 11:36, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Not really. The boxart proves nothing by itself, or Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur would be a trio. But with the other evidence shared among the members of this trio (similar typing, all half Dragon; similar moves at the same levels; similar origin for their names Diamond/Dialga, Pearl/Palkia, Platina/Giratina)... well it pretty much says it all. But until we get evidence that Arceus also made Giratina, which is undoubtedly the case, I would say, the dragon trio technically is unconfirmed. Come September, though, the whole thing will become clear.

I hate to be a hardass here, but hey, we're not taking any crap when it comes to anime Pokémon's gender (even for Ash's Charizard, and that's honestly ridiculous in my mind), so no crap is taken here. This trio is almost official. TTEchidna 05:04, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Where is it written that trios have to have a master? That idea came more from the anime and the second movie than anything else. Furthermore, should we really be classifying trios of version mascots the same way we do the honest-to-God trios (ie, the birds, the beasts, the golems, the bizzare psychic things)? I've always had a problem with that. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 09:51, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

No way

It's not necessarily part of the trio, as a matter a fact, I think it's the leader-guy! Posted by the Θρtιmαtum♏^Talk|Links10:03 16 May 2008

Excuse me for asking, but what do you mean by "leader-guy"? As in leader of the "duo", or the duo and Arceus? Arceausams 23:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe he thinks that Giratina is sort of the trio master of the duo. But I believe that they all are a trio only with Giratina being the strongest.•Pokemaniac102 14:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Everybody wait for platinum instead of saying "NUH UH MY THEORY IZ BETR THAN YERZ". Arceausams 23:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I never said anything. I just believe what I said.PM102 00:24, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

This is the same as the weather trio. They are a trio, but there's one that's seemingly more powerful than the other two. hfc2X 00:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thats a good point but it would still be BETTER to JUST WAIT. Arceausams 22:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

images

I think the image should go back to the turnback cave 1 the new 1 does not clearly depict Giratina its a silohuette and the others are in Sprite Form. Sailor Earth 20:40, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The new image is important, though, as it demonstrates that there is probably some sort of link between the three. I think we should have both images; that way, there'd be one for each of them on their own in DP, and one of them all together in Platinum. --Martonimos_((Talk)) 21:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree 100% Sailor Earth 21:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey...

Look Its a trio with it being Dialga:Time Palkia:Space Giratina: VOID with arceus being the trio master of spirit and the dragon trio. Atomix26 17:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

That makes perfect sense.Shadow1337 22:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Proof

Pokémon Platinum serves as proof that this is a trio similar to the weather trio. --S^hi_ny ^No_ct^ow_l 20:59, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Wouldn't that be like saying Lugia, Ho-Oh and Suicune are a trio? ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 17:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Nopes. Lugia and Ho-oh are kind of a duo, and Suicune is just a version mascot. Suicune has nothing to do with Lugia and that's why they aren't a trio. In Gen III however, Groudon and Kyogre were a duo, and Rayquaza was a Pokémon that had apparently no relation to the other two (not even in its pokédex description). However in Emerald, it was revealed to be part of the trio, as it's the only one capable of stoping the effects of Kyogre and Groudon. This is exactly the same that's gonna happen with Giratina. hfc2X 20:06, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

I've been thinking about something...

I was watching TV one day and they said something about Time, Space and DIMENSION. That made me think about how each of the dragon trio has a certain control over what they represent and that Giratina has control over dimension. So wouldn't that make Giratina represent Dimension? User:Darkmaster0 20:09, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

True. LugiaRules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" 17:05, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking the same. In fact I'd like to suggest renaming the trio to a more specific term like Reality trio, as in time, space and dimension being the three elements of reality, though I prefer to leave it up for debate. --Kaoz 01:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it was on doctor who - TARDIS stands for Time And Relative Dimension In Space. Lord of Origami 12:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

TARDIS Dragons, then? :) --Kaoz 13:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

LOLSHAZAAAAM! 13:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that Giratina represents the NEGATIVE of Dialga and Palkia's respective dimensions, like the negative of an photograph. It's as if the negative were intertwined behind the strings of dimension, thus it having a connection, like an astral plane. TorchicBlaziken 14:20, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Somebody is misinformed here. Space is the combination OF the first three DIMENSIONS. The fourth Dimension is the forward and backward directions of Time. Also, if Giratina resides in the ReverseWorld, then surely there should be a fourth - to oppose both Dialga and Palkia! Do I make sense?Monblazon 20:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, sorry to bump an old topic, but I believe SPACE is the first three dimensions and TIME is the fourth. A 3D thing can't see anything 4D or higher (that's why we can't 'see' time). Giratina is in the Reverse World, supposedly a separate world from ours. However, could it be that the Reverse World is our world, just that it has more dimensions? And building on that, does that mean that the Reverse World allows travel in time? Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links06:46 3 Sep 2008

Now that you mention it, string theory has those six extra curled-up dimensions, which could be why the Reverse/Torn world is shaped so oddly...

Although I somehow doubt that the people responsible for coming up with these things pay much attention to theoretical physics. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 20:45, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Especially since those curled up dimensions are very 'small'. And that it is called the 'Reverse' world suggests a form of opposition, as is found with matter and anti-matter, therefore necessitating the need for a fourth related Legendary to maintain the balance of the worlds. i.e. If Giratina is the 'Reverse' equivalent of either Dialga or Palkia, then there is an imbalance - and a Gap to be filled by another Reverse World Pokémon.Monblazon 23:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, the First two Seasons of the Diamond and Pearl series are What? Diamond and Pearl, the first two Games of Generation IV; and Battle DIMENTION, the thing that Giratina controls. §hin¥£ik@chµ 00:34, 10 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join The User Post Gazette

Obviously yo didn't get it... SPACE and TIME are DIMENTIONS. Giratina doen't control DIMENTION, or it would have been named "Spatial and Temporal Pokémon" instead of "Renegade Pokémon". He is more a negative-space controlling Pokémon. hfc2X 20:03, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

So, u r sayin that Giratina controls somethin' like a blackhole? §#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ 00:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Not exactly. A black hole is a strong gravitational field around nothing (like a planet or star). Giratina seems to control a negative space, created of anti-matter, but there seems to be an unbalance as it looks to be only the oposite of Palkia. There is an unbalance because in its dimension there is no anti-temporal Pokémon. hfc2X 02:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

By jove I got through to somebody at last! The creators have either been very neglectful, or Giratina is not a specific opposite to any other Pokemon. As has been said then if it were the opposite to one of the other Dragons then there must have been a fourth! (Maybe they are saving it for the remakes;-p.)Monblazon 22:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for opening an old subject; But i think i've figgured it out. The three thinks that make up the univirse are Space(Contoled by Palkia), Time (Controled by Dialga), and Matter (Giratina?) and is there any info in Plt.? §#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ 22:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

No, its Dimension isnt it. Anything has dimensions, even an atom, is 0.000000001 something wide. I guess its another way of saying matter. So eventually when they make Gen 4 remakes LOL, in Gen 6, itl be TimeDiamond, SpacePearl, and DimensionPlatinum LOL. --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010 19:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Space (width, length, and depth) and time ARE the freaking known dimensionss!!!! stop with that!! Giratina doesn't control dimension, or Arceus had only created him to do both time and space and not Dialga and Palkia!!!! hfc2X 19:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Giratina controls an alternate dimension, parallel to the real world. The torn world-where the laws of physics in the real world don't apply. Giratina seems to control what is the reverse reality or the reverse dimension to the real Pokémon world. I don't think that calling it, and by it i mean a future game that probably won't even ever be considered to be produced, "DimensionPlatinum" is sensible. The only reason they had FRLG was because it was impossible to have your Ruby Version trade with your Blue version. Plus, with much better graphics, it was a really cool game to play if you are someone who loves the originals. Anyway, Giratina does control something: an alternate dimension. Maybe even the dimension opposite of what we call the living world because it is mentioned in on of the Pokédex entries that it hangs around graveyards. Maybe that's what it does when it enters the natural world. --いぬみみ 21:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Giratina is supposed to balance out the Time and Space. In Platinum, Cyrus says DNA has two strands to balance out each other. D/P is one part while Giratina is the other. But I also think that if it was caught, the world it created/lived in would stay like D/P if they were rather than destroy like Cyrus said. So I'm not sure. It is probably confined to Turnback Cave when it visits the world for its "crimes".Laxafett 19:12, 12 August 2009(UTC)

I figured it out. Arceus created Giratina to be the controller of space-time, but it used it's power's wrongly, so it was banished to the Distortion world, so Arceus created Dialga and Palkia to do what Giratina would have done if he was good--Minimag 22:17, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

New Table

I think this resolves everything:

Species	Dialga	Palkia	Giratina
Type 1	Steel-type	Water-type	Ghost-type
Type 2	Dragon-type	Dragon-type	Dragon-type
Level 10	Metal Claw Steel-Type	Water Pulse Water-type	Ominous Wind Ghost-type
Level 40	Roar of Time Dragon-type	Spacial Rend Dragon-type	Shadow Force Ghost-type
Level 80	Flash Cannon Steel-type	Aqua Tail Water-type	Shadow Claw Ghost-type

Lord of Origami 13:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Form/Forme

Change it. It's in the article. Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links06:52 3 Sep 2008

There's no real need to change something if pretty much 100% it's not going to stick, such as this whole "forme" bullsh*t. Trust me, it'll be "Origin Form" when it's revealed stateside, and that'll be the end of this whole "forme" debacle. --Shiningpikablu252 15:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Except for Deoxys being Attack Forme on Pokémon.com, you know. TTEchidna 02:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Giratina Sprite

Should we use the Platinum Sprite for Giratina? §hin¥£ik@chµ 00:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join the The User Post Gazette:D

As in.. Origin Forme? TTEchidna 09:05, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Yea. §#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ 00:08, 16 September 2008 (UTC) P.S. Please join The User Post Gazette.

Platina Version release, Dragon Trio status Confirmed

So, with Platina Version released Japan-side, is it pretty much safe to say that this article no longer needs the "disputed" status? Giratina has had a confirmed role alongside Dialga and Palkia, and the status of the Dragon Trio is confirmed. Is it safe to remove the "disputed" label, or will doing so cause a bomb explosion of hate and flame? I won't do so until I'm granted confirmation people aren't going to flip out on me for doing so. Same goes for the Legendary Pokémon article, which is similarly out of date. Satosuke 17:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

• I agree. It's pretty freaking obvious from the start that Giratina goes along with Dialga and Palkia. I know having proof is important but seriously, it was so obvious that Giratina belongs in the dragon trio. That's just how Nintendo does things. If the Pokémon have similar move sets, and in this case, one type shared by all 3, then changes are, they are trios. Plus, with the way game mascots are assigned now (refering to Generation III), it gives you a little more proof. It's almost like people need Nintendo to just come out and say "hey guys, Giratina is in the dragon trio with Dialga and Palkia now so no more speculation, yeah!" for them to truly consider Giratina as a member of the dragon trio. --いぬみみ 21:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Dimensional Trio?

Shouldn't it be called the Dimensional Trio? It's like Palkia rules the third dimension, Dialga rules the fourth dimension, and Giratina probably rules the fifth dimension. The place where they all live must be the SIXTH dimension, based on implications from the Darkrai and Shaymin movies, (you know, where all the Unown live) because they have to be in a dimension higher than theirs to warp them, and in the Shaymin movie Dialga and Palkia apparently trashed Giratina's place. (Giratina is probably the oddball in this, because he lives in the fifth dimension to guard it, but he probably moved at the beginning of everything, but Dialga and Palkia don't need to stay in their dimensions to guard it, and there are also Pokemon who guard their dimensions, like Celebi for Dialga, and every Pokemon and human in the universe for Palkia) Because of this, Dialga and Palkia can warp Giratina's dimension (although without having the power to control it) like they did in the Shaymin movie. I say the reason why Dialga and Palkia can't control each other's dimensions is:

1: They don't have the power to do so. 2. Arceus, who lives in the SEVENTH dimension, has made it impossible for them to even WARP each other's dimensions.

I also say the reason that Dialga and Palkia are apparently able to warp GIRATINA'S dimension is that Giratina's dimension is a parallel to the regular one, and you can't control one dimension without warping the parallel dimension in some way.

All this, however, is just my opinion, except for the fact that all this opinion backs up my statement that it should be called the DIMENSIONAL trio. TorchicBlaziken ^(talk) 17:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, DIMENSIONAL seems appropiate. I agree =O hfc2X 01:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Wait, Fifth dimension? You mean a tesseract?Shadow1337 22:22, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Legendary titans trio?

According to Circuit City, which released the English name for persons, things, and places in Platinum, the official name semms to be "legendary titans" or "legendary titans trio". Can any sysop please move the page to it's official, English name? Pokémon Lover King Mario 14:57, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd rather we didn't because I don't know how reliable Circuit City is with names. Besides, it may not even be official. --Jonouchi 15:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

For whatever it's worth, I looked at Pokebeach (I look at Pokebeach and Serebii as well as Bulbapedia) and they said that Circuit City removed the information. So they might have been told to take it down by Nintendo. ~Toastypk - ^Loom. 03:33, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

That's what I'm guessing too. I'm near certain that the lake and dragon trios will get official names soon (legendary pixies and titans), and Brock's gonna be seeing Uxie by DP120. TTEchidna 21:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

No May saw Uxie --Guardian of Earth |SGMS 2010

May saw the lake if I remember right, but didn't mention Uxie... I dunno, I never saw the dub version, but I heard no mention of "Yuxie". TTEchidna 20:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, what the heck with it. "Legendary Titans" sounds better. LET'S MOVE IT!!! TorchicBlaziken ^{(talk•edits)} 13:12, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, i really don't like the idea of calling them "Titans". Based on the old greek mythology and definitions, i always saw the weather trio as more the Titans as compared to the dragon trios god-hood. But then, this is just probably cuz Nintendo is too cowardly to dare use the g-word.Morgil27 21:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

There's been no confirmation of the "titans" name yet, only of the Platinum release date. Note Handsome and Pluto. TTEchidna 09:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah but everything else from that circuit city page has been confirmed true, and besides, can't we change it anyway? Seriously, Titans makes more sense than DragonsHades666 15:36, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

It might be official since it's under "Manufacturer's description", but IDK. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 15:44, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Spacial Rend

It's colored a light blue colored as if it were a water-type move instead of a dragon-type move. was this done on purpose or something? --いぬみみ 01:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

GASP! TEH COLOR MEANS EVERYTHING. Osrry. I severly doubt it, it could have just been colored that wayDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

Yeah, I figure this was done to show the primary type of each of the titans, but to be more align with the rest of the 'pedia can an admin change this? As the page is locked. Thanks. — THE TROM — 09:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The coloration (in those three rows, at least) is more to represent the differences between the dragons, rather than the types of their moves. If we changed Spacial Rend (and Roar of Time, for that matter), it'd mess up the aesthetics of the table. --((Marton imos)) 10:28, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

But what about the tables at legendary birds, legendary golems, or lake trio? Surely displaying the correct type, as all other tables do around the entire wiki, is more important than making three colored lines. — THE TROM — 10:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Ugh. I likes me my pretty lines. If it were up to me, I'd change the other pages... still, it's not. At any rate, I'll change it for now, at least. Maybe I can get my pretty lines back later. (And maybe they'll release Classics Soundwave, and maybe my classes won't be so hard next semester, and...) --((Marton imos)) 10:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I admit, it did look better before, but a certain echidna once told me that we strive for accuracy at Bulbapedia. And here accuracy does mean correct typing. This "razz frazzin' [adult]" thanks you for carrying out his "razz frazzin' edit" :D — THE TROM — 10:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I'm nineteen, practically venerable. I can call whoever I want a "kid."

Anyway, 's cool. This is a community project, and I'm no community (the voices in my head don't count). Just so long as I got them all. Anything else needs did-ing, come poke my talk page. --((Marton imos)) 10:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Greek Gods

I was thinking, ever notice how the dragons seem to be like Hades, Poseidon, and Zeus of Greek mythology? Like, Palkia/Poseidon is the more substantial and more all-present of the three, Zeus/Dialga is the more ethereal and less reachable, and Giratina/Hades is the one who can't live with the others and guard a dimension which no one wants, and controls the afterlife.Hades666 23:13, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Interesting theory, but considering that Zeus was the king of the gods, wouldn't that be Arceus instead of Dialga? I was thinking that same thing with Hades, seeing as Giratina is the Renegade pokemon, like he's defying Arceus and was sent to guard the dimension people would rather avoid... ARGH! I'm an atheist and I was about to go into a God/Satan thing... But in my opinion, just like Rayquaza in Emerald, Giratina will be added to The Original Story and whatever Giratina controls will be mentioned alongside Time and Space... Kiryu 00:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Do do do. All mythology is basically the same. I could find you three main gods in the Egyptian Religion and Norse Mythology that function the same way you described. Basically, no.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

Actually, Arceus would in this case be more similar to the Titan Kronos, in that it is the "father" of the dragon trio/main greek gods.Hades666 14:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Very good point, but then, Zeus killed Kronus because Kronus ate his "kids." I can't see anyone killing Arceus- except for certain fans- and Arceus certainly didn't eat the dragon trio. Kiryu 22:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

To the Conquering of Space-Time. If that's not children revolting against a maker... Aura-Knight 19:54, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

No, I'd say it's more of one child beating the crap out of the other two. --Marton_{I'm Jewish}imos 20:58, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Look, lets just wait for To the conquering of space-time. Then we should find out all we need to know about Arceus.Hades666 13:59, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Dragon Trio has as much to do with the greek gods as the Weather Trio have to do with them. Over.DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

No.Hades666 18:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

O RLY? Kyogre is Posieden. Hades causes earthquakes. So does Groudon. Zeus is God of the Sky, GASP! SO IS RAYQUAZA!DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))} 18:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Silly, everyone knows that Hades doesn't cause Earthquakes.Hades666 20:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Silly, remember in the myth of how he stole his wife? ( I think Persephone). He caused an earthquake and kidnapped her, the Goddess of Earth (not Gaia) got angry and wouldnt let the earth grow, zeus comprimised, Persephone spends half her time in the Underworld *winter* half her time on earth *summer spring*DCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))} 20:35, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey guys, stop this silly discussion once and for all. They are not based on the greek gods or something, so please stop. hfc2X 20:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Btw, Posidien causes earthquakes. 'ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ' 01:31, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

And so can HadesDCM_{((Mock MeEdits))} 02:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Just to set things straight: Hades does not "cause earthquakes". In the myth of Persephone, all he did was make the ground open. That's not an earthquake. The earth might shake in result of the ground opening, but Poseidon is directly connected to the occurance of earthquakes, whereas for Hades, they are nothing but a side-effect. Not the same thing. He does not deliberately make it shake beneath your feet, so he is not the patron of them (like Poseidon is). Anyone trying to argue, in jest or in seriousness, that Groudon is Hades...bwahaha. Yer tring 2 herd. And that "goddess of the earth" is no such thing. Persephone's mother is Demeter, patron of the harvest. The myth is also slightly deeper than that. Amateurs.

Triads of gods are a popular theme in mythology. 3 is a magic number of checks and balances. You can take any trio and set them over any set of three gods remotedly connected, and have yourself a barbeque comparing and contracting, pushing and pulling until the pieces fit lopsidedly. There's no sense in noting it. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 18:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit request

Could someone edit Another Forme -> Altered Forme, since the page is protected? UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 20:06, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Triviatastic curiosity

No two members of the trio have the same number of legs. Even considering Giratina's OF this remains true, as Giratina OF has no legs, Palkia has two, Dialga has four and Giratina AF has six. I myself find it odd/curious. --Kaoz 17:03, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Do itDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

Forgot to add, since it's blocked I can't edit it in. Would you mind to add this shallow appreciation? TiA.--Kaoz 15:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Question

"Three beings were born to bind time and space." It said this on the draco plate, but only Dialga and Palkia have anything to do with time/space. On the plate page, if you click on where it says three beings it navigates too a page about the lake trio. They, however, have nothing to do time and space, only spirit. Perhaps this third being is Giratina? I choose to stay neutral until the theory is proven.--100xstupid 17:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Eh. The Distorted World Distorts space and is in its own timeDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))} 17:45, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

So you're saying the link should be changed (or at least, that we should consider changing it)? And if so, wouldn't it make more sense to bring this up there? But yeah, I'll take a look. --((Marton imos)) 18:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

No, wait. It can't be the Dragon trio, because it mentions "Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One" right before that. So I guess Giratina's just being left out. Those jerks. --((Marton imos)) 18:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I was looking at the page for heatran and, sorry to stir up this wierd argument even more, but it says something about it being created as an after effect of the creation of Dialga and Palkia. This could mean that the trio is of Dialga, Palkia and Heatran. I'll check their move sets and compare them, but i doubt it.--100xstupid 21:20, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Nope, completely different. Btw, I just want to shine my doubt on the theory of Girantina being death and arceus life. It cannot work, because they have such different stats. To keep things in balence, they would need to be equally strong, like the other trios.--100xstupid 21:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Something i noticed

I noticed it says this in the article:

"Dialga controls time and Palkia controls space, two aspects of the four-dimensional universe that the Pokémon world, like our own, is a part of. The final member, Giratina, apparently has control over other dimensions like the Distortion World, which may itself be a location with a fourth spacial dimension. "

Shouldn't that be the fifth dimension, since the Dialga and Palkia control the other four? I would've just changed it myself, but... well... I can't.Morgil27 15:10, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Protect

Admin, could you please protect this page? We don't need vandals addin False information about HGSS, and such. _ShinyPika 01:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Considering that we've known about this for ages and no one had bothered to put any information about HGSS on at all (which is true, btw), I'm denying this request. —darklordtrom 01:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

The Dragon Trio Movesets and HGSS

Now, I couldn't do what I did on the Weather Trio page because not only were the movesets different, but so were the levels where they learn them. Since it would be a scattered mess if I combined them, I had to make a new list for HGSS. Chosen of Mana - 17:03, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Eggs

I know they're obtained at level one in HGSS but are they technically hatched from eggs? When I get my Dragon baby, will it say "hatched at Shinto Ruins" or will it say "met at Shinto Ruins"?

And why does Firefox's spell check recognize Shinto as an actual word?--Skaisdead 08:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

I dunno for sure, but it will proably say "met at Shinto Ruins" as for spell check, Shinto is some sort of Japanese spiritual thing, according to Wikipedia. ^たかは_りい! 08:10, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Of course, they DO technically hatch from eggs in the cutscene. I'd guess it doesn't count as "hatched" because the egg wasn't technically in your possession when it hatched. --AndyPKMN 12:13, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Dimensional Trio?

Each of them has control over their own Dimensions, and these Dimensions have a strong connection to their power. TorchicBlaziken ^{(talk•edits)} 02:19, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm for this as well. Dragon seems to be the creators' favorite picks for Legendary, so maybe we need something more specific, my suggestion: Dimensional Dragons. --☯ *Ɣℯ№ӎօṫհ* ☯ 22:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Spacetime link

I read in the beginning of the article about the four-dimensional space, clicked the link, and it went to a Wikipedia article on Spacetime. But I think, considering it says four-dimesional, it should lead to a tesseract, which is one dimension higher than a cube, which is three-dimensional, making the tesseract four-dimensional. Pawsrent 14:23, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Renames

I'm thinking God dragon trio, as opposed to the Energy dragon trio. If the word "god" is too offensive to describe them (wimps), maybe the creation dragon trio? TTEchidna 04:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I like Creation dragon trio. In fact, perhaps just Creation trio, as both Creation dragon trio and, for that matter, Energy dragon trio are a bit cumbersome compared to other trio names. --Andy^P_K^M_N 15:11, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I support the "Creation trio" name, it's less species specific and more in line with their myth. For the Isshu dragons, I think "Balance trio" or "Tao trio" would be more fitting.--Kaoz 15:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I never understood the "Dragon trio" name anyway, I'm a supporter for "Creation trio" as well. --Angela-Samshi 17:57, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm voting in favor of changing the name to "Creation trio". We have another trio that consists of all Dragon-types now so the name "Dragon trio" might be too confusing.--Alex726_{contributions} 00:38, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Really?

The last trivia point claims that Kyurem is a version mascot. It is likely, but we shouldn't get ahead of ourselves claiming things that haven't been revealed. Just a thought. Luxraychu 13:05, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Weakness

Should this be stated that all members have a weakness with one of its own type? Dragon-s, and Ghost (apparently Giratina weaks to both..) Insert non-formatted text here - unsigned comment from Acellutor (talk • contribs)

Dialga is weak to neither Dragon (resisted by steel, thus damaged normally overall) nor Steel (resisted by steel, unaffected by Dragon). Werdnae (talk) 03:40, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Legendary titans

According to Legendary titans, these Pokémon were called the "Legendary titans" by Circuit City, but this page doesn't mention it anywhere. Can someone find the source and mention it on this page? --SnorlaxMonster 15:08, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Not sure if it is worth mentioning; |closest to the source as Circuit City went out of business shortly after accidentally leaking a game blurb about the Generation IV games. I can add this to the page in a moment. Leaving the link there in-case any else is curious. Frozen Fennec 16:06, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Move request

According to Cyrus in Pokémon Diamond and Pearl, Dialga is the ancient deity of time, and Palkia is the ancient deity of space and dimensions, so the legendary trio consisting of Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina is called the ancient deities. Please, will you rename this page for me? --SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 23:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Is that an actual term used in the games or are you calling the group that because they were referred to as deities?--ForceFire 06:30, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

That's an actual term used in the games, according to Cyrus. --SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 21:11, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

According to his quotes article, he doesn't. He calls Dialga and Palkia deities of their respective matter, but he doesn't call the group ancient deities.--ForceFire 05:07, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

How about a better name? Perhaps you can find an official name taken from a core series game. How about that? --SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 21:47, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

If there was, we should use it, if it exists. If not, changing a fan name to another fan name doesn't make sense.--ForceFire 06:09, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

I've come up with a better name: Dialga and Palkia were worshipped by the Diamond Clan and the Pearl Clan, respectively, under the name "almighty Sinnoh". How does that name fit? Can we move the page to "Almighty Sinnoh"? --SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 22:20, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

That name would completely disregard Giratina. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 22:39, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

I support the move from creation trio to Primordial chaos. Its like with the Legendary Titans and Super ancient-Pokemon, its an official term and its fitting. A trio of Legendaries born form chaos at the very beginning of the universe thanks to Arceus. The perks of Legends Arceus, reveling more facts on this fun powerful trio.--Jacob9594 (talk) 04:06, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Will need more context for this term.--ForceFire 05:52, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Durning Eternal Battle Reverie, you get to the option of facing different variety of Pokemon. The category options name are usually a reference to a certain Pokemon like say The might of Sinnoh references and is Arceus who you face in battle or pick the Banished Pokemon and face Giratina.One of the option is Primordial chaos. When you click on it, you face Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina, all three in their true Origin Formes. And according to legends, Arceus's egg was born from vortex of chaos. And then from that chaos Arceus created the Hisui/Sinnoh and creation trio from said chaos. Hence the term Primordial chaos as the Legendary trio, emerged from chaos at the beginning of when the universe was first created by Arceus. All three are in their Origin Formes. Does this helps with context or more information is needed for move to new title to happen?--Jacob9594 (talk) 06:07, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Move to Primordial Chaos

Can this page be moved to Primordial Chaos, as how they're described in Legends Arceus? It's the first time the trio has been given a canonical name, and is far better than the unofficial name that is currently used. - unsigned comment from Lewtwo (talk • contribs)

For some context, this is a small sample of the Legends Arceus context where the phrase is used

The might of Sinnoh
Primordial chaos
シンオウ
根源

So the English has been fairly elaborated. Staff are looking at this. But this doesn't really seem like a great option to me. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:35, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

I dunno if it's the best option, but it is the best we currently have that's used in official media. --Spriteit (talk) 12:03, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

For the record, this page may be moved to "Pokémon of Myth" per Research Task (HOME). (Primordial Chaos is rejected.) Someone just needs to do the dirty work of relinking/editing the old name. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:55, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I feel like this move should have had community input beforehand. The new name is horribly generic and doesn't make it clear what Pokémon it is refering to. Besides, I don't even think the evidence provided is even proof that it's an official term — is "Legendary Pokémon" the official term for the specific grouping of Koraidon and Miraidon? Overall, this move makes no sense. Biblical Bambi (talk) 06:28, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Dusting off my old account to comment that I agree, this change makes no sense. The Palkia and Giratina pages now say that this trio is "often collectively referred to as the Pokémon of Myth by fans" which is just a blatant lie, nobody calls them that. Also, if we're going with terms from Research Tasks, the Lake guardians should be called "Lakes of Sinnoh", or the trio of Cresselia, Heatran and Regigigas "Deep Within Sinnoh". The Research Tasks are achievements, I don't think they should be take as an official source of what a trio of Pokemon should be called. The names mostly refer to locations, and I believe "Pokemon of Myth" was chosen because that's what they are, mythical. I suggest moving back to Creation trio, that way people know what Pokemon are actually being talked about. Angela-Samshi (talk) 17:53, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

"The Palkia and Giratina pages now say that this trio is "often collectively referred to as the Pokémon of Myth by fans" which is just a blatant lie, nobody calls them that." This was not a "lie", it was an oversight. The link was replaced without considering the context. Please remember to assume good faith. Thank you.

Also, "Pokémon of Myth" was chosen because it's the closest to an official name that we have, unlike "Creation trio" which is entirely a fan term. Landfish7 19:04, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

When you say "it's the closest to an official name that we have", you're admitting it's not an official name. And if we're gonna use an unofficial name, why not the one that people actually use and doesn't overlap with other terms like Mythical Pokémon? Biblical Bambi (talk) 21:05, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

To be clear, there was nearly a year for any comments people may have wished to make. I *am* sorry that we neglected to mention our alternative, but it's not like there wasn't time for people to chime in and make it clear that there was STRONG support for "primordial" chaos and why, which I think would've made it clear to us that a lot of people might want to offer critiques like above.

We do not think this is an unofficial name. We think this is the best official name/label the group currently has. There may later be a clearly better name.

We're more than willing to hear from more people. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:14, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

I apologize for my earlier comment, I realize it wasn't a well thought out point. To continue, Mythical Pokemon are indeed already a distinct group of Legendary Pokemon. Calling this trio "Pokemon of Myth" is just going to cause confusion, people are going to think it's referring to the likes of Mew and Celebi and not these. Mythical Pokemon are literally Pokemon of Myth, and this trio is not part of that group, so calling them that doesn't make much sense. For the sake of clarity I think the move should be reverted, or moved to Primordial Chaos once and for all, even if this name may be official (however official the name of an achievement is). Primordial Chaos, while still not particularly super good as a group name, is a term that better describes the Pokemon involved, and can be traced back to a game. Angela-Samshi (talk) 13:12, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

I did some more research on this. According to the Japanese Pokemon wiki, the "Pokemon of Myth" research task is named "神話のポケモン", which means "mythical Pokemon". This is the exact same term that Cyrus used to refer to Dialga and Palkia way back in DPPt. It was translated to "mythical Pokemon" in English, with a lowercase m. In all current official instances that I can find, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina are just referred to as "伝説のポケモン", which is the Japanese term for Legendary Pokemon. With this in mind I believe the term is used to refer to them as being mythical, not necessarily being the mythical Pokemon. "Pokemon of Myth" is just a different way to localize "神話のポケモン". Dialga, Palkia and Giratina are mythical Pokemon, because they come from the myths of Sinnoh. They are not the mythical Pokemon. Angela-Samshi (talk) 14:38, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

I definitely agree that HOME missions are usually a bad source for the names of groups of Legendary Pokémon; however, in this unique case, I think it can be justified. I would argue that Eternal Battle Reverie challenge names are substantially worse though — especially because the Eternal Battle Reverie challenge names care about forms ("Primordial chaos" is specifically the Origin Formes of the trio; compare the two challenges for the Forces of Nature, which have different names depending on which forms are included). In Japanese, the challenge "Primordial chaos" is called 「根源」 Kongen, which literally just means "origin" (although it's not the same word used in Origin Forme, it's clearly meant to be a synonym for it), indicating that the challenge is describing their forms and is not supposed to be a name for the group.

Dialga and Palkia are consistently referred to as "mythical Pokémon" (lowercase 'M') throughout DPPt and BDSP. Obviously, we cannot call this page "Mythical Pokémon", as that's a different group of Pokémon and would be very unclear. However, it is notable that this issue is unique to English — in every other language, the term used to refer to Dialga and Palkia is distinct from the term for Mythical Pokémon (e.g. in Japanese, this group is 神話のポケモン Shinwa no Pokémon while Mythical Pokémon are 幻のポケモン Maboroshi no Pokémon), and the usage of the same terms across languages is fairly consistent. So it seems like this term is definitely intended to be the name of the group, it's just really difficult to handle in English because its localized name clashes with another term (that was first used in English one generation after this group's name).

That's where Pokémon HOME comes in. There is a BDSP HOME mission for collecting Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina whose title matches the term for "mythical Pokémon" (Shinwa no Pokémon) in every language (except English and French). That mission is localized as "Pokémon of Myth" in English, presumably using an alternate English localization in order to prevent confusion with Mythical Pokémon (Maboroshi no Pokémon).

Because the term Shinwa no Pokémon is fairly consistently used to refer to Dialga and Palkia in every language (and HOME also uses it to refer to Giratina), I think it's important that we try to use one of the official English equivalents of that term. Of the two choices — "mythical Pokémon" and "Pokémon of Myth" — the latter is clearly the better choice.

I will note that I only researched this cross-language usage after the page had already been moved, to ensure that I agreed with the choice. Had I done so beforehand, I definitely would have posted it on this talk page earlier. However, I have now detailed the cross-language usage on the page itself in the Terminology section (which has more detail about edge cases than I have described here). --SnorlaxMonster 14:58, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

However, as the user above pointed out, in other instances the Japanese term for "legendary" was used. It's clear that "mythical" is being used as an adjective, not as a title (If they called Miraidon and Koraidon "powerful Pokémon", would that make "Powerful Pokémon" the official name for the group?). Besides, "creation trio" is much more widely used, having 104,000 hits on Google vs. just 3,870 for "Pokémon of myth", with every search result for the latter term besides Bulbapedia using it to refer to Mythical Pokémon! It's clear that "Pokémon of myth" is an awful title for this page, and the placeholder of "creation trio" is infinitely better. Biblical Bambi (talk) 19:07, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

(resetting indent)There really is no need to overdramatize this. We really only use fan terms if there's no other option, and we've been generally moving away from fan terms anyway. Pokémon of Myth isn't perfect, and not my favorite, but it's our best option in the absence of a proper official group title. Landfish7 22:03, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

The whole point is that there is not enough evidence that this is even an official term, as official sources have not used this term consistently to refer to this trio (as evidenced by no official sources showing up in the search results when "Pokémon of Myth" is Googled). There's an argument to be made that using a widespread fanmade term is better than a convoluted official one that doesn't see wide usage, and I have made that argument, but this isn't even a real official term. The search for anything resembling an official term is getting absurd at this point, since few people use "Pokémon of Myth", the few that do use it to refer to Mythical Pokémon, and it has seen no official use beyond one achievement name, which is not a standard that is being used to determine any other official names (else the Lake Trio is now the "Lakes of Sinnoh"). The old name wasn't causing any problems, why did you feel the need to "fix" it? Biblical Bambi (talk) 22:28, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

I feel like I've addressed these points, so just to be formal, I oppose the move to Creation trio. Landfish7 23:56, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

I think the Japanese BDSP website has lead to some confusion; while they are not called "mythical Pokémon" on that website, they are consistently and repeatedly referred to that way throughout DPPt and BDSP. I count a total of 6 times the Japanese term is used within each of DP, Pt and BDSP, including the title of a report on Cyrus's computer that is specifically about those Pokémon. Cross-localization analysis is a really effective way to distinguish between purely descriptive phrasings and actual terminology — the fact that the term is fairly consistently translated in the same way across all languages is why I believe it is not merely being used descriptively.

As I said earlier, I don't think HOME missions are usually a good source for group names (hence why I wouldn't suggest moving lake guardians to "Lakes of Sinnoh" — although "Lake Guardians" is an official term anyway). However, in this particular case, I think it makes sense to use HOME's localization of the official term that is used repeatedly in DPPt/BDSP, but only because it matches the term used in the games themselves in other languages. --SnorlaxMonster 08:45, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Move to Pokémon of Sinnoh myth

I believe it would be more accurate to call this article "Pokémon of Sinnoh myth" to clarify which Pokemon the article talks about. There are several Pokemon with myths associated with them, and the page only talks about Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. --CuteShaymin (talk) 04:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

This suggestion is rejected, as it is a fan designator, whereas Pokémon of Myth is the official title given to the group in Pokémon HOME. Landfish7 15:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

It's a bad and vague official name, though. Is it really the law on here that official names must be followed whenever there is one? --CuteShaymin (talk) 20:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, our policy is to use the most recent official name over outdated terms or fan designators, whenever possible. Landfish7 21:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)