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Hi! These are my suggestions. You can freely edit the page, users have been really helpful so far.

Proposed order of implementation

Please revise the suggestions in my sandbox first. Implementation of the changes would come in 3 distinct phases as to not break the templates.

1. Edit the Template:Movehead/Level template. Make it so that empty columns can be hidden by the same yes/no parameter we use for the Template:Movehead/Tutor subtemplates. Go through every move by generation (easier to mass replace the Moveentry numbers), break up the Gen 7 and 8 entries into different columns, and add the ✘ symbol for Pokémon that cannot learn the move because they are not coded into the game (but only after their introduction, Melmetal doesn't need an ✘ for SMUSUM). If both the move and the Pokémon are in the game, and it still doesn't learn the move, leave it blank.

2. Create a new template to replace the Template:Movehead/TM and Template:Movehead/Tutor templates, or edit the Template:Movehead/Tutor subtemplates. Change games into generations, but also include the divided Gen 7 and 8 columns. The third row should be editable, unless someone can actually make it that it's enough to enter the method and the game as plain text. The 11 new subheaders:

Gen I
Gen II
Gen III
Gen IV
Gen V
Gen VI
Gen VII
Gen VII (PE)
Gen VIII
Gen VIII (BDSP)
Gen VIII (LA)

No need to divide them between games pre-Gen 7, as we can now indiciate on top in which game(s) is the move teachable.

3. Implement Sugimori artwork instead of menusprites. Create a new template that would replace the Template:Moveentry template. This is needed because Pokémon with different forms have different file naming conventions and changing the original template would create a lot of red links. After the implementation a bot might be able to rename all these references back to Moveentry (I guess, if that's needed). One parameter should correspond with the file name and another with the text displayed under the Pokémon's name, eg. [026][Raichu]-(Alola).png and Alolan Form or [892][Urshifu]-(Single Strike) and Single Strike Style, unless this is something that could be solved with just one.

4. The type bars should also be updated, but that requires the editing of only one template, thus it's the least important step.

To do

Update Learnset templates (planning in progress)
Add LA strong/agile style data in moveset templates (someone started it, but has not finished it for understandable reasons)
Expand type pages with more detailed info (stats, abilities, etc.) about Pokémon (yet to be proposed or planned out)
Add missing LA models to the sprite/model sections (hearing that importing from BDSP is not that simple)
Replace menuspirtes with Sugi artwork accross the entire site (very anxious about this one, sprites work much better for the site, but if they really are gone, consistency should prevail)

Learnset changes

Greetings! I have been editing the learnset section on the move pages for some now, and I think there is a lot that could be done to improve the readability of these sections. I think that what I do here is worthwhile (regardless of my set of skills not being unique), and my opinion carries some weight. I'd like to list my suggestions, from what I find most agreeable to the ones I think will be hard sells.

1: Make the height of each line 68 pixels. The smaller menusprites make the pages look atrocious. I originally thought that this was not implemented due to its difficulty, but after seeing that it works quite well on the Pokémon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl#Game-exclusive Pokémon page, I don't think there is any excuse to not implement this globally, in every single template that uses menusprites.

2: Come to a consensus as to when we should note the learnability of a move within a generation. Let's take Teleport as an example. Pokémon introduced after Gen 4 all have the ^SwSh tag. Pokémon only available in BDSP have the ^BDSP tag. Pokémon available in both SwSh and BDSP, but not in Legends, have the ^SwSh^BDSP tags. The only ones that should have no tags are the ones available in all of these games and learn the given move at the same level, like the Abra line in my example. This means that Natu, Xatu and Claydol should have the ^SwSh^BDSP tags next to the level number in the Gen VIII column. I noticed that my edits, following these principles, on Leaf Storm and Wood Hammer had been reverted. This makes it look like as if Alolan Exeggutor and Unovan Lilligant are available in all three games, which in my opinion is misleading and inconsistent with the guiding principles of style. If this is the style we go with, then there would be no distinction between Pokémon that are available in all Gen VIII games and the ones that are only available in SwSh. Please consider.

3: Now, if you agree that the former is the proper style in my previous suggestion, you might notice that the game tags make the page look unnecessarily busy. Gone are the days when every Pokémon is in every Generation and all have the same movesets in all the games. I suggest breaking up the Gen VIII column into three separate colums: SWSH, BDSP, and LA, not unlike the way we do with Tutor moves. I suggest we do the same with Gen VII, so we have SMUSUM and PE, or alternatively, SM, USUM, PE, though I think that is not needed just because of a few new Pokémon. I understand that having Generations and games be the headers of the columns might seem inconsistent, but I firmly believe it is the way to go forward. The implementation would be hellish, for sure, but trust me, it will pay off in the long run, as we are definitely getting more dex culling and games with limited move availability. Please, don't reject this idea, and discuss it with the administrative team and the community.

4: Let go of the menusprites. I love them, but it's clear that GameFreak is moving away from them, which is understandable, these were not made for the Switch. The only two art styles that are consistently being updated with the new Pokémon are the "Sugimori" artworks and the "Dream World/Global Link" artworks. I suggest using the Sugimori artworks, as they look good enough at 68px already (we might as well go up to 70px, it doesn't matter at that point). I have issues with the "Dream World" artworks' inconsistent coloring and the images not being squares (the latter alone disqualifies them from use in their current form, but the images can be edited). The "Sugimori" artworks are already used on pages like List of Pokémon with branched evolutions, and I think they look good, even at 50px, the details of the Pokémon would be even clearer at 70px. Now, if using dozens of 1200x1200 images on every move page comes with significant loading times, then 70px versions should be uploaded separately. It's 2022, using sprites is no longer cool. A lot of people now have monitors with such high resolution, that the pixels become blurred. I personally have to use Bulbapedia at 80% zoom to enjoy the details of the menusprites. Additionally, while we are at the sprites being obsolete, we should really stop using the type bars from Gen IV that don't even correspond to the type colors Bulbapedia use. It's time for the SwSh type icons to be used. Finally, if we merge the TM/TR and Tutor templates, we might as well make it so the games in which the move cannot be taught in these methods do not appear. This would improve readability, but it's a small thing.

5: Finally, here comes my hardest sell. Merge the TM/TR and Tutor sections into one section with one template. Make every header the name of the individual games, ditch the generational headers completely. The headers should have two lines: one for the generation, and one for the availability of the move, eg. IV/TM67^HGSS, VIII/TR23^SwSh, or VIII/Tutor^LA. As of now, moves that had been both TMs/TRs and tutor moves, have a lot of repeat information. The pages are unnecessarily long (requiring tons of scrolling now that we are closing in on 1000 Pokémon) and the learnsets are not different in most cases. This would make the pages more readable and would significantly decrease loading time, which is an issue. Look at Flamethrower as an example. Every single Pokémon that was able to learn the move through tutoring, could also learn it via TM/TR later.

In conclusion, it is time to adapt to the changes The Pokémon Company has made. Please do not dismiss these suggestions, because the current format is severely outdated and will require infinitely more work to keep up, then to just implement my suggestions (which will be a lot of work). I hope you recognize that this is all in good faith and well worth the consideration from the administrative team and the community.

My favorites are 1B, 2D, 3D, 4C, 6D, 7A, and 8C. Sugimori art over HOME models. 4C, 6D, and 8C address the issue with the colors of the superscript game tags and the type-colored backgrounds. Just make them white. Only my final (always open to changes) designs are expanded.

Earth Power

1A

#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups	Level
#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VII PE	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA
186		Politoed		Water 1	Water 1					✘	1	1	✘
483		Dialga		No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered	60^DPPt 33^HGSS	33	33	33	✘	72	80	42
484		Palkia		No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered	60^DPPt 33^HGSS	33	33	33	✘	72	80	42
487		Giratina		No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered	60^DPPt 33^HGSS	33	33	33	✘	70	77	55
493		Arceus		No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered	20	20	20	20	✘	✘	20

1B Earth Power is not coded into PE, so with might as well not include its column. ━ marks Pokémon that are not in the game/generation, thus it's impossible for them to have a level, at which they learn the move. If both the move and Pokémon is available in the game/generation, we just leave it blank. This way it's not too cluttered. The Shaymin example is interesting. It first got the move in LA, but it's missing from SwSh, should we mark its absence from that game? Shoul we keep adding the ━ even though it's likely that Earth Power was a one-off move it got exclusively in LA?

#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups	Level
#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA	IX
0051		Dugtrio Alolan Form	Ground Steel	Field				30	42	━	━	42
0186		Politoed	Water	Water 1					1	1	━	Rem.
0483		Dialga	Steel Dragon	No Eggs Discovered	60^DPPt 33^HGSS	33	33	33	72	80	42	72
0484		Palkia	Water Dragon	No Eggs Discovered	60^DPPt 33^HGSS	33	33	33	72	80	42	72
0487		Giratina	Ghost Dragon	No Eggs Discovered	60^DPPt 33^HGSS	33	33	33	70	77	55	70
0492		Shaymin All forms	Grass	No Eggs Discovered					━		46
0493		Arceus	Normal	No Eggs Discovered	20	20	20	20	━	20		20

1C Now with HOME menu sprites

#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups	Level
#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA	IX
0051		Dugtrio Alolan Form	Ground Steel	Field				30	42	━	━	42
0186		Politoed	Water	Water 1					1	1	━	Rem.
0483		Dialga	Steel Dragon	No Eggs Discovered	60^DPPt 33^HGSS	33	33	33	72	80	42	72
0484		Palkia	Water Dragon	No Eggs Discovered	60^DPPt 33^HGSS	33	33	33	72	80	42	72
0487		Giratina	Ghost Dragon	No Eggs Discovered	60^DPPt 33^HGSS	33	33	33	70	77	55	70
0492		Shaymin All forms	Grass	No Eggs Discovered					━		46
0493		Arceus	Normal	No Eggs Discovered	20	20	20	20	━	20		20

Flamethrower

2A Crosses only show up after the Pokémon has been introduced to the franchise. Every game in which the move is or should (temporary deleted, like many moves in SwSh) have been available is shown. I also fixed the broken link for the Expansion Pass.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			RGB	Y	GS	C	RS	E	FRLG	XD	DP	Pt	HGSS	BW	B2W2	XY	ORAS	SM	USUM	PE	SwSh	SwSh EP	BDSP	LA
			-	-	-	Tutor	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM37	TR02	-	TM35	Tutor
059	Arcanine	Field	Field				✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔		✔	✘
059	Arcanine Hisuian Form	Field	Field																						✔
804	Naganadel	No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered																	✔	✘	✔		✘	✘

2B Games in which the move cannot be thought these ways are excluded.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			C	RS	E	FRLG	XD	DP	Pt	HGSS	BW	B2W2	XY	ORAS	SM	USUM	PE	SwSh	BDSP	LA
			Tutor	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM37	TR02	TM35	Tutor
059	Arcanine	Field	Field	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✘
059	Arcanine Hisuian Form	Field	Field																		✔
804	Naganadel	No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered														✔	✘	✔	✘	✘

2C A more streamlined version.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			I	II	III	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VII PE	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA
			-	Tutor	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM37	TR02	TM35	Tutor
059	Arcanine	Field	Field		✔^C	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✘
059	Arcanine Hisuian Form	Field	Field											✔
804	Naganadel	No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered							✔	✘	✔	✘	✘

2D Different game tag placement. Since the superscript can vary in color, we have to options: make the background white, or make the superscript black. I chose the former, partly because of the template guarantees colored game tags. The Gen 1 column could also be hidden potentially.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			I	II	III	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VII PE	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA	IX
			—	Tutor^C	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM37	TR02	TM35	Tutor	TM125
0059	Arcanine	Field		✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	━	✔
0059	Arcanine Hisuian Form	Field											✔	✔
0604	Eelektross	Amorphous					✔	✔	✔	━	━	━	━	✔
0804	Naganadel	No Eggs Discovered							✔^USUM	━	✔	━	━	━

2E Differentiating between "does not learn" and "did not exist at the time" (marked the same way as "not in game"). Not that easy on the eye, I think we can trust users to understand how generations work.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			I	II	III	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VII PE	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA	IX
			—	Tutor^C	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM37	TR02	TM35	Tutor	TM125
0059	Arcanine	Field		✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	━	✔
0059	Arcanine Hisuian Form	Field	━	━	━	━	━	━	━	━	━	━	✔	✔
0604	Eelektross	Amorphous	━	━	━	━	✔	✔	✔	━	━	━	━	✔
0804	Naganadel	No Eggs Discovered	━	━	━	━	━	━	━^SM ✔^USUM	━	✔	━	━	━

2F Alternatively, since dex oder corresponds to generations, we could use the dashes only for forms that need to be listed in a generation different from their debut.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			I	II	III	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VII PE	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA	IX
			—	Tutor^C	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM35	TM37	TR02	TM35	Tutor	TM125
0059	Arcanine	Field		✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	━	✔
0059	Arcanine Hisuian Form	Field	━	━	━	━	━	━	━	━	━	━	✔	✔
0604	Eelektross	Amorphous					✔	✔	✔	━	━	━	━	✔
0804	Naganadel	No Eggs Discovered							✔^USUM	━	✔	━	━	━

Icy Wind

3A

#		Egg Groups	Game
			C	RS	E	FRLG	XD	DP	Pt	HGSS	BW	B2W2	XY	ORAS	SM	USUM	PE	SwSh	SwSh EP	BDSP	LA
			TM16	-	Tutor	-	Tutor	-	Tutor	Tutor	-	Tutor	-	Tutor	-	Tutor	-	TM27	-	-	Tutor
031	Nidoqueen	No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered	✔		✔		✔		✔	✔		✔		✔		✔		✔			✘

3B

#		Egg Groups	Game
			C	E	XD	Pt	HGSS	B2W2	ORAS	USUM	SwSh	LA
			TM16	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	TM27	Tutor
031	Nidoqueen	No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered	✔	✔	✔! style="text-align:center; \|✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✘

3C

#		Egg Groups	Game
			II	III	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VIII SwSh	VIII LA
			TM16	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	TM27	Tutor
031	Nidoqueen	No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered	✔	✔^E^XD	✔^Pt^HGSS	✔^B2W2	✔^ORAS	✔^USUM	✔	✘

3D

It might be ideal to remove the BDSP column. Yes, the move is in the game, but we can save some space here.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			II	III	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA	IX
			TM16	Tutor^E^XD	Tutor^PtHGSS	Tutor^B2W2	Tutor^ORAS	Tutor^USUM	TM27	—	Tutor	TM034
0031	Nidoqueen	No Eggs Discovered	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔		━	━
0094	Gengar	Amorphous			✔	✔	✔	✔	✔		✔	✔
0646	Kyurem All forms	No Eggs Discovered				✔	✔	✔	✔	━	━	━

3E

No BDSP column

#		Egg Groups	Game
			II	III	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VIII SwSh	VIII LA	IX
			TM16	Tutor^E^XD	Tutor^PtHGSS	Tutor^B2W2	Tutor^ORAS	Tutor^USUM	TM27	Tutor	TM034
0031	Nidoqueen	No Eggs Discovered	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	━	━
0094	Gengar	Amorphous			✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔
0646	Kyurem All forms	No Eggs Discovered				✔	✔	✔	✔	━	━

Stealth Rock

4A

#		Egg Groups		Game
				IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VII PE	VIII SwSh	VIII LA
				TM76	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	TM56	TR76	Tutor
303	Mawile	Field	Fairy		✔^B2W2	✔^ORAS	✔^USUM	✘	✔	✘

4B

#		Egg Groups		Game
				IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VII PE	VIII SwSh	VIII LA
				TM76	Tutor^B2W2	Tutor^ORAS	Tutor^USUM	TM56	TR76	Tutor
303	Mawile	Field	Fairy		✔	✔	✔	✘	✔	✘

4C

#		Egg Groups		Game
				IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VII PE	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA	IX
				TM76	Tutor^B2W2	Tutor^ORAS	Tutor^USUM	TM56	TR76	TM76	Tutor	TM116
0303	Mawile	Field	Fairy		✔	✔	✔	━	✔	✔	━	━

4D

#		Egg Groups		Game
				DP	Pt	HGSS	BW	B2W2	XY	ORAS	SM	USUM	PE	SwSh	BDSP	LA
				TM76	TM76	TM76	-	Tutor	-	Tutor	-	Tutor	TM56	TR76	-	Tutor
303	Mawile	Field	Fairy					✔		✔		✔	✘	✔		✘

Giga Drain

5A

#		Egg Groups	Game
			GS	C	RS	E	FRLG	XD	DP	Pt	HGSS	BW	B2W2	XY	ORAS	SM	USUM	PE	SwSh	BDSP	LA
			TM19	TM19	TM19	TM19	TM19	TM19	TM19	TM19	TM19	-	Tutor	-	Tutor	-	Tutor	-	TM28	TM19	-
042	Golbat	Flying	Flying	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔		✔		✔		✔		✔	✔

5B

#		Types	Egg Groups	Game
				II	III	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	IX
				TM19	TM19	TM19	Tutor^B2W2	Tutor^ORAS	Tutor^USUM	TM28	TM19	TM111
0042	Golbat	Poison Flying	Flying	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	━
0413	Wormadam Plant Cloak	Bug Grass	Bug			✔	✔	✔	✔	━	✔	━
0413	Wormadam Sandy Cloak	Bug Ground	Bug							━	✔	━
0413	Wormadam Trash Cloak	Bug Steel	Bug							━	✔	━

Lash Out

6A

#		Egg Groups	Game
			VIII SwSh
			Tutor
862	Obstagoon	Field	Field	✔^IoA

6B

#		Egg Groups	Game
			VIII SwSh
			Tutor^IoA
862	Obstagoon	Field	Field	✔

6C

#		Egg Groups	Game
			VIII SwSh
			Tutor^IoA
862	Obstagoon	Field	Field	✔

6D

#		Egg Groups	Game
			VIII SwSh	IX
			Tutor^EP	TM199
0862	Obstagoon	Field	✔	━
0892	Urshifu Single Strike Style	No Eggs Discovered	✔	✔

Draco Meteor

7A The generational divide is still necessary for moves like Frenzy Plant, which is not available in Legends.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA	IX
			Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	Tutor	TM169
0373	Salamence	Dragon	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	━	✔
0493	Arceus All forms	No Eggs Discovered					━	✔	✔	✔
0493	Arceus Draco Plate	No Eggs Discovered	✔	✔	✔	✔	━	✔	✔	✔
0773	Silvally All forms	No Eggs Discovered	━	━	━		✔	━	━	━
0773	Silvally Type: Dragon	No Eggs Discovered	━	━	━	✔	✔	━	━	━

Rising Voltage

8A The IoA superscript would be invisible on a yellow background.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			VIII SwSh
			Tutor^IoA
862	Regieleki	No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered	✔

8B It's still not great on white background.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			VIII SwSh
			Tutor^IoA
862	Regieleki	No Eggs Discovered	No Eggs Discovered	✔

8C It shall remain EP, as in Expansion Pass. It uses the Galar/Gen VIII color.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			VIII SwSh	IX
			Tutor^EP	—
0862	Regieleki	No Eggs Discovered	✔

Wave Crash

9A Forms

#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups	Level
#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups	VIII LA	IX
0128		Tauros Paldean Form (Aqua Breed)		Field	━	55
0550		Basculin Red- and Blue-Striped Forms		Water 2	━	44
0550		Basculin White-Striped Form		Water 2	34	44
0902		Basculegion All forms		Water 2	34	44

Dazzling Gleam

10A Eternal Floette.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			VI	VII SM USUM	VII PE	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA	IX
			TM99	TM99	TM32	TR92	TM21	Tutor	TM079
0113	Chansey	Fairy	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔	✔
0670	Floette	Fairy	✔	✔	━	━	━	━	✔
0670	Floette Eternal Flower	No Eggs Discovered	✔	✔	━	━	━	━	━

Hydro Pump

11A

#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups		Level
#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups		I	II	III	IV	V	VI	VII SM USUM	VII PE	VIII SwSh	VIII BDSP	VIII LA	IX
0007		Squirtle		Monster	Water 1	42	47	47	37^DP 40^PtHGSS	40	40	40	41	33	33	━	━
0008		Wartortle		Monster	Water 1	47	53	53	44^DP 48^PtHGSS	48	48	49	53	45	45	━	━
0009		Blastoise		Monster	Water 1	52	68	68	53^DP 60^PtHGSS	60	60	60	65	49	49	━	━
0054		Psyduck		Water 1	Field	52	50	50	48	53^BW 46^B2W2	46	40	45	36	36	43
0055		Golduck		Water 1	Field	59	58	58	56	63^BW 54^B2W2	54	46	63	40	40	43	40
0130		Gyarados		Water 2	Dragon	1, 41^RGB 41^Y	40	40	41	41	41^XY 44^ORAS	42	46	40	40	47	40
0211		Qwilfish		Water 2			46	46^RSE 37^FRLG	57	57	1, 57	1, 57	━			━
0419		Floatzel		Water 1	Field					57^B2W2	57	57	━	━	57	43	57

Smart Strike

12A The Thundurus error.

#		Egg Groups	Game
			VII SM USUM	VIII SwSh	IX
			TM67	TM96	TM053
0586	Sawsbuck All forms	Field		━	✔
0642	Thundurus Incarnate Forme	No Eggs Discovered	✔	✔	✔
0642	Thundurus Therian Forme	No Eggs Discovered		✔	✔

Experimentation with different aesthetics for mobile

#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups		Machine
#	Pokémon		Types	Egg Groups		I [[\|]]	II [[\|]]	III [[\|]]	IV [[\|]]	V [[\|]]	VI [[\|]]	VII [[\|]]	VIII [[\|]]	IX TM124
0027		Sandshrew Alolan Form	Ice Steel	Field		Field	✔
0028		Sandslash Alolan Form	Ice Steel	Field		Field	✔
0039		Jigglypuff	Normal Fairy	Fairy		Fairy	✔
0040		Wigglytuff	Normal Fairy	Fairy		Fairy	✔
0090		Shellder	Water	Water 3		Water 3	✔
0091		Cloyster	Water Ice	Water 3		Water 3	✔
0144		Articuno	Ice Flying	No Eggs Discovered		No Eggs Discovered	✔
0149		Dragonite	Dragon Flying	Water 1	Dragon	✔
0151		Mew	Psychic	No Eggs Discovered		No Eggs Discovered	✔
0183		Marill	Water Fairy	Water 1	Fairy	✔
0184		Azumarill	Water Fairy	Water 1	Fairy	✔
0204		Pineco	Bug	Bug		Bug	✔
0205		Forretress	Bug Steel	Bug		Bug	✔
0206		Dunsparce	Normal	Field		Field	✔
0225		Delibird	Ice Flying	Water 1	Field	✔
0232		Donphan	Ground	Field		Field	✔
0272		Ludicolo	Water Grass	Water 1	Grass	✔
0361		Snorunt	Ice	Fairy	Mineral	✔
0362		Glalie	Ice	Fairy	Mineral	✔
0393		Piplup	Water	Water 1	Field	✔
0394		Prinplup	Water	Water 1	Field	✔
0395		Empoleon	Water Steel	Water 1	Field	✔
0418		Buizel	Water	Water 1	Field	✔
0419		Floatzel	Water	Water 1	Field	✔
0436		Bronzor	Steel Psychic	Mineral		Mineral	✔
0437		Bronzong	Steel Psychic	Mineral		Mineral	✔
0459		Snover	Grass Ice	Monster	Grass	✔
0460		Abomasnow	Grass Ice	Monster	Grass	✔
0461		Weavile	Dark Ice	Field		Field	✔
0478		Froslass	Ice Ghost	Fairy	Mineral	✔
0549		Lilligant Hisuian Form	Grass Fighting	Grass		Grass	✔
0615		Cryogonal	Ice	Mineral		Mineral	✔
0620		Mienshao	Fighting	Field	Human-Like	✔
0705		Sliggoo Hisuian Form	Steel Dragon	Dragon		Dragon	✔
0706		Goodra Hisuian Form	Steel Dragon	Dragon		Dragon	✔
0712		Bergmite	Ice	Monster	Mineral	✔
0713		Avalugg	Ice	Monster	Mineral	✔
0713		Avalugg Hisuian Form	Ice Rock	Monster	Mineral	✔
0740		Crabominable	Fighting Ice	Water 3		Water 3	✔
0747		Mareanie	Poison Water	Water 1		Field	✔
0748		Toxapex	Poison Water	Water 1		Field	✔
0775		Komala	Normal	Field		Field	✔
0801		Magearna	Steel Fairy	No Eggs Discovered		No Eggs Discovered	✔
0834		Drednaw	Water Rock	Monster	Water 1	✔
0873		Frosmoth	Ice Bug	Bug		Bug	✔
0875		Eiscue	Ice	Water 1	Field	✔
0892		Urshifu Rapid Strike Style	Fighting Water	No Eggs Discovered		No Eggs Discovered	✔
0914		Quaquaval	Water Fighting	Flying	Water 1	✔
0967		Cyclizar	Dragon Normal	Field		Field	✔
0974		Cetoddle	Ice	Field		Field	✔
0975		Cetitan	Ice	Field		Field	✔
0982		Dudunsparce	Normal	Field		Field	✔
0984		Great Tusk	Ground Fighting	No Eggs Discovered		No Eggs Discovered	✔
0990		Iron Treads	Ground Steel	No Eggs Discovered		No Eggs Discovered	✔
0991		Iron Bundle	Ice Water	No Eggs Discovered		No Eggs Discovered	✔
1002		Chien-Pao	Dark Ice	No Eggs Discovered		No Eggs Discovered	✔
Bold indicates a Pokémon gains STAB from this move. Italics indicates a Pokémon whose evolution or alternate form receives STAB from this move. A dash (−) indicates a Pokémon cannot learn the move by the designated method. An empty cell indicates a Pokémon that is unavailable in that game/generation.

50px with BDSP icons

0186		Politoed
0483		Dialga
0484		Palkia
0487		Giratina
0493		Arceus
0740		Crabominable
0892		Urshifu Rapid Strike Style
0901		Ursaluna

0186		Politoed
0483		Dialga
0484		Palkia
0487		Giratina
0493		Arceus
0740		Crabominable
0892		Urshifu Rapid Strike Style
0901		Ursaluna

70p with SwSh icons

0186		Politoed
0483		Dialga
0484		Palkia
0487		Giratina
0493		Arceus
0740		Crabominable
0892		Urshifu Rapid Strike Style
0901		Ursaluna

0186		Politoed
0483		Dialga
0484		Palkia
0487		Giratina
0493		Arceus
0740		Crabominable
0892		Urshifu Rapid Strike Style
0901		Ursaluna

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 * 3: Now, if you agree that the former is the proper style in my previous suggestion, you might notice that the game tags make the page look unnecessarily busy. Gone are the days when every Pokémon is in every Generation and all have the same movesets in all the games. I suggest breaking up the Gen VIII column into three separate colums: SWSH, BDSP, and LA, not unlike the way we do with Tutor moves. I suggest we do the same with Gen VII, so we have SMUSUM and PE, or alternatively, SM, USUM, PE, though I think that is not needed just because of a few new Pokémon. I understand that having Generations and games be the headers of the columns might seem inconsistent, but I firmly believe it is the way to go forward. The implementation would be hellish, for sure, but trust me, it will pay off in the long run, as we are definitely getting more dex culling and games with limited move availability. Please, don't reject this idea, and discuss it with the administrative team and the community.
-* 4: Let go of the menusprites. I love them, but it's clear that GameFreak is moving away from them, which is understandable, these were not made for the Switch. The only two art styles that are consistently being updated with the new Pokémon are the "Sugimori" artworks and the "Dream World/Global Link" artworks. I suggest using the Sugimori artworks, as they look good enough at 68px already (we might as well go up to 70px, it doesn't matter at that point). I have issues with the "Dream World" artworks' inconsistent coloring and the images not being squares (the latter alone disqualifies them from use in their current form, but the images can be edited). The "Sugimori" artworks are already used on pages like [[List of Pokémon with branched evolutions]], and I think they look good, even at 50px, the details of the Pokémon would be even clearer at 70px. Now, if using dozens of 1200x1200 images on every move page comes with significant loading times, then 70px versions should be uploaded separately. It's 2022, using sprites is no longer cool.  A lot of people now have monitors with such high resolution, that the pixels become blurred. I personally have to use Bulbapedia at 80% zoom to enjoy the details of the menusprites. Additionally, while we are at the sprites being obsolete, we should really stop using the type bars from Gen IV that don't even correspond to the type colors Bulbapedia use. It's time for the SwSh type icons to be used. Finally, if we merge the TM/TR and Tutor templates, we might as well make it so the games in which the move cannot be taught in these methods do not appear. This would improve readability, but it's a small thing.
+* 4: Let go of the menusprites. I love them, but it's clear that GameFreak is moving away from them, which is understandable, these were not made for the Switch. The only two art styles that are consistently being updated with the new Pokémon are the "Sugimori" artworks and the "Dream World/Global Link" artworks. I suggest using the Sugimori artworks, as they look good enough at 68px already (we might as well go up to 70px, it doesn't matter at that point). I have issues with the "Dream World" artworks' inconsistent coloring and the images not being squares (the latter alone disqualifies them from use in their current form, but the images can be edited). The "Sugimori" artworks are already used on pages like [[List of Pokémon with branched Evolutions|List of Pokémon with branched evolutions]], and I think they look good, even at 50px, the details of the Pokémon would be even clearer at 70px. Now, if using dozens of 1200x1200 images on every move page comes with significant loading times, then 70px versions should be uploaded separately. It's 2022, using sprites is no longer cool.  A lot of people now have monitors with such high resolution, that the pixels become blurred. I personally have to use Bulbapedia at 80% zoom to enjoy the details of the menusprites. Additionally, while we are at the sprites being obsolete, we should really stop using the type bars from Gen IV that don't even correspond to the type colors Bulbapedia use. It's time for the SwSh type icons to be used. Finally, if we merge the TM/TR and Tutor templates, we might as well make it so the games in which the move cannot be taught in these methods do not appear. This would improve readability, but it's a small thing.
 * 5: Finally, here comes my hardest sell. Merge the TM/TR and Tutor sections into one section with one template. Make every header the name of the individual games, ditch the generational headers completely. The headers should have two lines: one for the generation, and one for the availability of the move, eg. IV/TM67{{sup/4|HGSS}}, VIII/TR23{{sup/8|SwSh}}, or VIII/Tutor{{sup/8|LA}}. As of now, moves that had been both TMs/TRs and tutor moves, have a lot of repeat information. The pages are unnecessarily long (requiring tons of scrolling now that we are closing in on 1000 Pokémon) and the learnsets are not different in most cases. This would make the pages more readable and would significantly decrease loading time, which is an issue. Look at {{m|Flamethrower}} as an example. Every single Pokémon that was able to learn the move through tutoring, could also learn it via TM/TR later.