Talk:Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

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Don't forget the interwikis! [[de:Pokémon Omega Rubin und Alpha Saphir]] [[fr:Pokémon Rubis Oméga et Saphir Alpha]] [[it:Pokémon Rubino Omega e Zaffiro Alpha]] Btw... why you are protect all pages, that are related in any form with the new remakes? Sorry for my bad english, I'm from Germany... Tobutz98 (talk) 19:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Pages related to any breaking news are generally protected to prevent wild speculation or misinformation from being added. I'm not sure if there's a specific place or way to request edits to locked pages, sadly. Yamiidenryuu (talk) 19:36, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
The place to request edits for locked pages is on their talk page, or the talk page of a staff member. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 19:55, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Add Template

I think it would be wise that one of the Admins put "Template:Upcoming notice" or a different template I could not find on this page because it is new unless I am wrong and this is not necessary because of the page protection. Dbeckelheimer6 (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit suggestions

  • "are the secondary [[paired version]]s of [[Generation VI]]" implies that every subsequent generation has had "secondary paired versions" (a phrase that is being used to represent both remakes and sequels), which is incorrect. Why not just copy and customize the text from the intros of FireRed and LeafGreen and HeartGold and SoulSilver?
  • "Both games were revealed during a worldwide announcement by the official Pokémon websites, on May 7, 2014. The paired versions will be released worldwide during November 2014."
  • Change "[[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions|Pokémon Ruby and Pokémon Sapphire]]" to "{{game|Ruby and Sapphire|s}}" —TheVeryBest 05:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Hello, I have made some changes as you have requested. —darklordtrom 07:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, trom. However, it says that November 2014 is the release date, but I think this should say release period. Also, "PAccording to the press release which announced the games" should be "According to the press release that announced the games". Some users seem to think that which can replace that in this instance because I see it often, but this is folly. For instance, the phrasing "The book, which I read last night, was exciting" must use which and not that, while "The book that I read last night was exciting" is the opposite (but may also omit that entirely). —TheVeryBest (UTC) 09:26, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Folly indeed. —darklordtrom 10:41, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Trailer Video

Can an admin add this to the page??

By pokemon
This video is not available on Bulbapedia; instead, you can watch the video on YouTube here.

--PikaTepig999 08:18, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Done, although I dislike that template so I chose not to use it. —darklordtrom 10:41, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Don't mind me, but may I ask why you don't like that template ?? --PikaTepig999 09:09, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Poké Transporter

If these games use the Poké Transporter, like X and Y, will it be worth noting that these are the first remakes to be compatible with the originals, if indirectly? Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire VersionsPal ParkGeneration IVPoké TransferGeneration VPoké TransporterPokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire | This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia (talk) 14:46, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

It is currently unknown if they will use the Poke Transporter. --PikaTepig999 09:35, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
That wasn't my question. I said if they do, will this be worth noting? This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia (talk) 15:27, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Even if they don't, they'll still be compatible with the originals via Poke Transporter to XY, then trade to ORAS. It's still speculative to say it yet, but as soon as either Poke Transporter or trade capability is revealed, I would think it'd be notable that they're the only ones (not just the first, since first is of debatable notability for some things). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:20, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
It's certainly worth noting in my opinion, but i also think that the admins should approve it. And @Pumpkinking, they are currently the only ones,but if in the future a remake of DP is announced, we'll have to change the wording. --PikaTepig999 09:34, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

They are compatible with Poke Bank and there for Poke Transfer. Any way someone already edited that in. AbsolX (talk) 23:58, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Press Release Description

The second paragraph "According to the press release that announced the games, the new titles will to take players through a dramatic story within a spectacular new world." should be changed to reflect that this is not a new game as "spectacular new world" implies. The official website also gives a far more accurate description of the game Luneth (talk) 15:31, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

So why don't we just delete the "new" in "a spectacular new world"? Snekradguy (talk) 16:03, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Modifying any quote typically makes the quote unusable. MaverickNate 16:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
It isn't really a quote because the video never mentions "a spectacular new world". Only "an epic new adventure" and "a dramatic new world". Snekradguy (talk) 19:01, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
It's a quote from the official press release. Kai * the Arc Toraph 19:26, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Can we at least put "an epic new adventure in a spectacular new world" in quotes? --KommanderAwesome (talk) 20:23, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Not the way in your comment since that would be combining two quotes together. The largest stretch I can see is, the games will take players on "an epic new adventure" to "a dramatic new world." Still, I believe the wording on the article is the best so far. --Super goku (talk) 21:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

New information from Serebii

we should include this info from todays news:

"Following its reveal yesterday, there has been some question as to the actual content of Pokémon Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire, as to whether they're remakes or new versions due to the wording of the announcement. During the Investor Briefing today, Satoru Iwata confirmed that Pokémon Omega Ruby & Pokémon Alpha Sapphire are full-remakes of the 2002 releases, Pokémon Ruby & Sapphire. We'll bring more on these games as it comes Edit @ 15:38: The Japanese arm of The Pokémon Company sent out an e-mail to all Daisuki Club members which ends up pointing out the differences to Groudon & Kyogre on the box-art, stating that they're showcasing "never before seen Pokémon", the same terminology they used for Black & White Kyurem, as well as Mega Mewtwo Y upon their reveal, indicating that they are more than stylised artwork of the Pokémon. We'll bring more on this as it comes"

Pearlgamez (talk) 20:07, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Serebii should not be used as a source. PattyMan 00:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
I personally received that email and did not see any indication this was true. MaverickNate 01:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
I agree serebii should not be used as a source. Speculation about the differences to Groudon & Kyogre seems to indicate they may be mega-evolutions of the originals, but as no official information about mega-evolutions in the remakes has been announced it can't be used in this article. ADCK (talk) 02:12, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
I also agree. Serebii should not be used as a source, or else Pidgeot would be blue and Magikarp would be a Psychic-type. Espurr101 (talk) 12:03, 28 May 2014 (UTC)Espurr101

Use of the word Remake

Should we really use the word "remake" quite yet?

I know from previous patterns, the naming of the games and all that points to remakes, but at this point in time they might just be sequels or new games entirely. They even mention a new world, and the guy who gives the idol mentions a new region, so this might not take place in Hoenn at all.

I'm really just playing devil's advocate here, but we should watch the wording on the article for now. Yamitora1 (talk) 06:59, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

You haven't followed the news, have you? They were confirmed to be remakes yesterday. You should do your "homework" more often before you're posting questions.--Den Zen 07:17, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
I've been following the news since it broke, but every tweet and article just repackaged/re-tweeted the same info. 99% of every article I found on the subject of the remakes just quoted the blurb from the trailer. That article you linked to was the first OFFICIAL piece of news I've seen that gave details on the remakes. You can't expect to do biology homework if all the school has are math books.Yamitora1 (talk) 11:26, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
On the second thought, I was too harsh for you. Unlike what I thought, the link to the official statement has not been posted to almost any fan or official site; everyone just believes what Serebii says. Sorry about that.--Den Zen 13:37, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Its ok, like Dawn always says, No Need To Worry. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:04, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

'Oras' is the Lithuanian word for 'Weather'

The name of the games is likely a play on the letters theme started with XY (ie. the Greek letters 'Α' and 'Ω'), and the Lithuanian word for weather, Oras -- weather being one of the prominent elements of RSE. Sounds like a interesting fact to add to the Trivia section. --Ash Pokemaster (talk) 13:07, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

It could also be a reference to the phrase "I am the Alpha and the Omega" in the Book of Revelation. Usually the phrase refers to Christ or God and typically is taken as meaning "I am the Beginning and the End". Possibly a hint that the story could involve Pokemon gods in some way. Interesting to note that Arceus is the 'Alpha' Pokemon according to the Pokedex and is the closest thing to a Pokemon 'God' we've seen as it was supposedly the creator of the Pokemon world. Perhaps we might see the 'Omega' Pokemon, or in other words, the 'End' or destroyer. (Basically the Pokemon Satan) - PsychoP (talk) 18:01, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
We don't know what's going to happen in the games and this isn't the place for speculation. And no. That would require them making an actual new Pokemon, which won't happen in a remake. Ataro (talk) 18:19, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
We already have an alpha Pokemon, Arceus, and Giratina is based of the devil. Although, X and Y did kind of have the alpha and omega thing going, as Xerneas is the life Pokemon and Yveltal is the destruction Pokemon. Maybe Groudon and Kyogre will get alpha an omega forms. Idk, better wait for CoroCoro. - unsigned comment from Espurr101 (talkcontribs)

I think Bob Ross said it best, and what we have on our hands here is "a little happy mistake." It's just pure coincidence I am sure. Also Delta Emerald has been registered, and if they broke the mold and released that, it would be ORASDE which means nothing at all. Yamitora1 (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

No evident that Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are in the Generation VI

We should at least wait for the announcement of cross-game communication of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire to be sure if they are indeed Generation VI. And according to this:

"A generation, in terms of the Pokémon franchise, is a subset of the series that debuted or is set around the same time, focusing on the same region, and featuring the same Pokémon."

I don't think they are Generation VI at all if we go by this definition. We should probably change that. Besides, Generations may be separated by their methods of inter-game communications. I don't think, currently, there is anything we can say about battling or sending Pokemon from or to these games from or to X and Y.

Originally posted in Talk:Generation by Iosue (talk) 06:55, 8 May 2014 (UTC). Moved here by Iosue (talk) 09:48, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

It's totally safe to assume that Hoenn remakes aren't introducing a new generation, especially when there are lots of unreleased Gen VI stuff and the XY anime series isn't even in the halfway.--Den Zen 10:19, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
It is safe, but an encyclopaedia is obligated to only display information that is evidental. I won't have a problem if we put up "probably" or "highly speculated" instead of "part of". -Iosue (talk) 12:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
It's obviously generation VI. That is a guaranteed fact. Sure, it hasn't been stated, but it doesn't need to be stated. Generation VI is the current generation. Each generation starts with a brand new game in a brand new region with brand new Pokémon. It won't start with a remake. It's only logical that this is a Generation VI game. Also, it's being released on the same generation console as other Gen VI games which further backs up this point. It's Gen VI and although it hasn't been stated, there is enough evidence to make that claim. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 12:36, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
That way, we will have to refine our definitions of a generation. -Iosue (talk) 12:52, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
In my honest opinion (although everyones views are different as I can see on here lol) but until Nintendo/GameFreak/Pokemon says it's NOT part of Generation VI, it should be considered Generation VI games until further notice, and also, a lot of clues and hints in Pokemon X and Y further hinted that Pokemon Ruby & Sapphire would be remade, so it makes sense (to me anyways), but also Generation VI is not completed yet (that we know of) as we have seen in all other generations that either a 3rd game (Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum) or in the case of Generation V (Black 2 and White 2) were released to complete a Generation. And just like Generation III we had Ruby & Sapphire release first followed by FireRed & LeafGreen then Emerald, then in Generation IV we had Diamond, Pearl, Platinum then followed by HeartGold & SoulSilver. So far it seems that Generation VI is following the pattern of Generation III (so far, that is). But mind you, thats just my opinion, but like I said at the start of my "rant" (lol) until Nintendo/GameFreak/Pokemon says it's NOT part of Generation VI, it should still be considered Generation VI until further notice. Demers-Vachon 10:44, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I agree. They never start a generation with remakes. They only start a generation with a new region full of new Pokémon. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire would more likely focus on the Generation III Pokémon than to introduce new ones. In FireRed and LeafGreen, you only met the original 150 Pokémon before getting the National Pokédex to catch Johto Pokémon and trade with Hoenn for the then-current Pokémon. FireRed LeafGreen didn't introduce any new Pokémon. They only brought back the classic Pokémon. HeartGold and SoulSilver did tweak the Johto Pokédex a bit to include five Gen IV evolutions that resulted from moves (although, I don't get why they didn't just put a move tutor in Kanto.) So HeartGold and SoulSilver didn't introduce any Pokémon. And X and Y had just came out last October. That was only 7 months ago, so if Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire started Generation VII, Gen 6 would be the shortest generation ever. The possibility of Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire starting a new generation is slim. SeanWheeler (talk) 11:16, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
I agree that these should be considered Generation VI, at least until we discover otherwise. While it is possible that we may get a new generation, the odds are incredibly small. Additionally, Pokémon tends to keep all of its media together. Even if X and Y are the only video games in Generation VI, I find it unlikely that Nintendo would push for a Generation VII when Ash Ketchum still has to finish his journey through Kalos in the anime, the Pokémon Adventures X and Y chapter is just getting started, and not even all Generation VI Pokémon have been made available as TCG cards. Heck, we still have yet to see the release of Diancie, Volcanion, and Hoopa in the video games, so even the video games cannot be finished here. Finally, I must correct you on something, SeanWheeler. FireRed and LeafGreen did actually introduce a new Pokémon: Deoxys. There were no events for it prior to the release of FRLG and when the events occurred, it could only be obtained in FRLG, not in Ruby and Sapphire. --GoldenSandslash15 (talk) 22:37, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Also, please remind me if "Generations" are the official creations or simply how it is defined in the fandom? I think we should judge if certain titles are in a certain generation according to an objective definition. I understand that it is highly probable to see it released as in the Generation VI. But this is not a confirmed fact or official announcement, but a derived theory. -Iosue (talk) 22:52, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

The term generation has been used by official sources, such as and the boxes of DP. Several traits that typically signify a new generation are not present, like no new region and no new Pokémon. Frankly, I think this whole argument is pointless. It's obvious that it's going to be released within this generation and at this rate we'll only keep going around in circles. It's really not worth continuing. --Pokemaster97 23:10, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about that then. I thought Generations were something we created to group the titles. -Iosue (talk) 07:59, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
I agree with what "Pokemaster" had said earlier, this topic is just going around in circles until the games are released in November. I do firmly believe that Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire is part of Generation VI. If those games were to begin Generation VII, then I highly doubt they would have had Ash in Kalos, or if they did, he would have gotten 6 to 7 gym badges by now (more in reference to the Japan episodes that has aired already not the English ones) and from what I have seen, he so far only has one gym badge obtained and caught 2 pokemon (Froakie & Fletchling). But thats just my thoughts about it. Demers-Vachon 08:56, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
It's possible they will add more pokemon, but only gen VI ones, I doubt they'll touch the original gens ones... However, that being said and all, they've just started using Mega evolutions, I doubt they will drop them, so we may see many new mega evolutions instead of new pokemon. ADCK (talk) 01:55, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

It is going in circles and no conclusion can be drawn. This is precisely what I wanted to say: We don't have official confirmation on which Generation this is in. On the page, there is this row: part of Generation VI. It looks like some official words. No matter how logical the derivations are, they are just speculations. There is not any canonical material or announcement making this claim. I have not been questioning its correctness. I have been questioning its validity. -Iosue (talk) 03:14, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

While there is no concrete 100% proof that it is Generation VI, there is no concrete 100% proof that it is Generation VII either. It could be either one. So the article should use whichever is more likely, which is Generation VI. You may think that we shouldn't make assumptions like that, but you have to remember that Nintendo never said that X and Y were a part of Generation VI. Or any of the other games were part of their respective Generations. So we will never have any official proof, because the very idea of generations is unofficial. (The boxes of Diamond/Pearl did say "A new generation", but that's just marketing crap. It could have just as easily said "a new adventure". And either way, "a new generation" doesn't necessarily mean Generation IV. For all we know, Nintendo classified every game before DP as a single generation, and every game since then is Generation II). This being the case, even when the games come out, it's likely that we won't know what generation to put. It's entirely fan-made. So, we do the logical thing of putting what most fans would classify this as. And in that regard, there's no reason why we can't put Generation VI now. Of course, when the games come out, if we see that there is enough separating it from X and Y, such as incompatibility, new Pokémon, a new region (technically the "Hoenn Confirmed!" meme is wrong - Hoenn has not been confirmed), etc., then fans may choose to reclassify it as Generation VII. If that's the case, we can edit the article at the time to reflect the shift in the fans's views. --GoldenSandslash15 (talk) 03:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I was not questioning if there is any probability of it coming out as Generation VII. I was questioning, even if it is very probable to be Generation VI, the validity is that it is deduced or speculated, even based on many objective observations. But none of the quoted are as valid as an official release. If "Generation" is The Pokemon Company's official terms, we cannot say something is or is not without the company first says so. If, instead, "Generation" is what the fandom creates, "official" means the stance de facto in the fandom, hence, verifiable and objective criteria and definitions. -Iosue (talk) 05:30, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

We don't need them to flat out state they are part of Generation VI. They only use the word Generation when a new one starts, and it's always when a new region is introduced and new Pokémon (not new forms) are introduced. Suggesting that they are part of a completely different Generation is ridiculous. There is only one Generation at a time. --HoennMaster 06:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Please, read again. I have not suggested they are part of a completely different Generation. I have not suggested any possibility. I only questioned the validity. -Iosue (talk) 09:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Nothing is being changed, and this discussion is closed. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 09:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Mega Evolutions

I know we can't state this to be a confirmed fact, but comparing Groudon and Kyogre here to their usual appearance seems to indicate they're in a different form. Perhaps it's a mega evolution? Draceon (talk) 00:25, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk pages are for the improvement of the article, not for idle discussion of the article's topic. Use the forums if you're interested in speculating about potential Mega Evolutions for the new games. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 01:06, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
I was unsure as to whether that should be taken note of on this page, given its visibility on the box art, but seeign as it's unconfirmed I will take my leave to the forums. Draceon (talk) 04:47, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

English official site

This should be added as an official site in the infobox as it is on the other games: Poké --Abcboy (talk) 00:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

PEGI rating

Shouldn't the PEGI rating be 7, as it shows in this video? Snekradguy (talk) 15:25, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Right underneath that it says Provisional, which means it could change. --HoennMaster 17:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I'm from the Netherlands, so I didn't know what it meant, I thought it was just some kind of company name or something like that. Snekradguy (talk) 20:21, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Delta Emerald

So apparently Delta Emerald has been registered. Is this worth noting on the article? Yamitora1 (talk) 19:42, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

There's been countless trademarks like this before and they've not been mentioned (Such as Water Blue) so it doesn't seem necessary. ----samm :D 19:46, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Even though Game Freak/Nintendo may or may not use the "Delta Emerald" trademark, I think it warrants some sort of mention (a single sentence would suffice, and there are other sources/websites covering it as well), primarily due to the term apparently being registered around the same time as "OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire" (and it is the only trademark that is a feasible parallel to the OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire names with the "Greek letter + precious gemstone" construct). I personally think WaterBlue merits a similar mention -- due to its same-time registration with FireRed/LeafGreen (and being the closest parallel to those terms with the "element + color" construct) and the matter that Game Freak actually addressed the "LeafGreen title retaining" issue at one point. Fenyx4 (talk) 22:51, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
My only concern with this is was any Crystal remake title trade marked with HGSS? We know Gray was trade marked before B2W2Yamitora1 (talk) 02:24, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Coro Coro leak

The Coro Coro leak is out with new information. Swampert and Sceptile has Mega Evolutions. Brendan and May are confirmed. Teams Aqua and Magma were shown. Steven apparently has a Mega Charizard X. When are we going to update this article? SeanWheeler (talk) 21:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

No content regarding the CoroCoro leaks are going to be added until it can be known they aren't fake. --NOBODY (talk) 21:48, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
So how are leaks proven real? It may be easy to detect ridiculous leaks but what about leaks as convincing as this that everyone's talking about? Other fansites like Serebii believe it. But how do we know when a leak is real? SeanWheeler (talk) 22:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
When the issue is published, we will know it's real. That's fairly obvious. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 22:51, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Don't forget, Diancie is getting a mega too. --SuperPikaBros 23:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, the first Mega Evolution of a Kalos Pokémon. When is the issue actually coming out? SeanWheeler (talk) 23:23, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
The 13th. Ataro (talk) 23:27, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

If True, this also would make Diancie the only Pokémon so far to have a Mega form that isn't in Gens I-IV. Gen V still has no Megas as of yet.Yamitora1 (talk) 23:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

So what is a faster way to determine it's authenticity? I don't want to wait 6 days. I want the information here now! SeanWheeler (talk) 00:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Being impatient isn't going to make it come faster. You have to wait, that is life.--ForceFire 03:07, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, looks like the images have been posted on the Archives and my article was published on Bulbanews. It now looks as if Bulbagarden has accepted the leak as official. Question is, is Bulbapedia? SeanWheeler (talk) 14:41, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Well, it is CoroCoro so the information might be correct, but the impact of speculations has risen since the first trailer. Probably because of that. KidGuardian (talk) 14:46, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Is Bulbapedia simply stricter about speculation than the other parts of Bulbagarden? The archives provide our images and the notice at the top of this page points to the Bulbagarden Forums. Bulbanews headlines are on the main page. Bulbapedia is closer to Bulbagarden than to the NIWA and Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis. Yet, Bulbanews, the forums and the Archives have already decided that it's real. Although the forums are about speculation and accepted it first, maybe they don't count. But since the News published my article and the Archives restored Coro Coro images, I'm believing they are believing the scan. In fact the Archives temporarily deleted those scans until they can be proven real. However, they may have just restored them for my news article? SeanWheeler (talk) 02:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
As I just said in the Mega Evolution talk page, we aren't treating this as official just yet as the leaks were leaked earlier than usual. They usually leak on the 10th of every month--ForceFire 02:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
But according to "Ataro" in a few post above, the release date for CoroCoro this month is on the 13th (not sure if its accurate or not). Usually CoroCoro comes out on the 15th or 16th isn't it, and the leaks gets out starting from around 10th of the month. But, if the release date is early then possibly even the leaks would be out earlier. Also, this wouldn't be the first time that CoroCoro leaks are out before 10th of a month.--LatS (talk) 11:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
Happens a lot actually of magazines. Scanned manga's that come out every week are actually one week ahead while their official release is after one week in Japan. Probably they caught a early copy from the issue. KidGuardian 00:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Official trailer for the games, the scans are definitely legit. The new Megas and character designs are featured. Drake Clawfang (talk) 17:58, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

E3 2014 Announcement

So a new trailer for ORAS was released yesterday as part of E3 2014. It showed a lot more content, confirmed the CoroCoro leak, and displayed several bits of gameplay, including apparent Mega Evolutions for Groudon & Kyogre, in which their markings glow prominently to match their boxart artwork. I feel that this information should be added to the article, since the trailer seen was official, and therefore verifiable information from a reliable source. Since I am not permitted to edit the OmegaRuby & AlphaSapphire article, I ask that someone with access to editing add this information in. Bowserbros (talk) 18:36, 11 June 2014 (UTC) Screenshots

So the official ORAS site up on has a plethora of screenshots you lot can add to this article.--Darknesslover5000 (talk) 01:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Many of these screenshots have been uploaded to the Archives already, haven't been added to the article yet. I'll try to add some soon. --Pokemaster97 01:29, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Release date for Australia

I really don't see any official source in which states it's release date for Australia. The Nintendo Australia website does not have the game listed anywhere, so we don't even know what the actual release date for Australia really is. EB Games isn't a reliable source when it comes to release dates, 'cause they often will get the release dates from sites like Wikipedia or even from here.

Until Nintendo Australia confirms it's release date, I really do think we should change the release date for Australia to November 2014.Platinum Lucario (talk) 18:41, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

The Australian version of the official site clearly says "Coming November 21, 2014!"--Den Zen 18:53, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Change in infobox

Should the info in the infobox be changed from: "Pokémon Omega Ruby's boxart, featuring Groudon" to: "Pokémon Omega Ruby's boxart, featuring Primal Groudon" and also in the case of Primal Kyogre? Thanks. Dinodestroyer (talk) 19:07, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Add trivia section?

I have a few things to add now

-These are the second pairs of games to not have "version" at the end.

-These are the second remakes after the Game Corner controversy

-These are the first remakes after the Pokémon Center and Pokémart being merged

I could think of a few more, but these will do.

SuperShroom63 (talk) 01:52, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

The first two aren't notable. In the case of the last one, images seem to have shown that the Poké Mart and Pokémon Center are no longer merged, so imo, it doesn't seem too notable. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 01:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh, this is the first pair of remakes with [insert change made in Generation V or Generation VI]! Yeah, not too notable. Although, if there were anything that were notable, this will be the first pair of remakes with Fairy-type Pokémon and Mega Evolutions. Black Metal Warrior (talk) 22:53, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
FireRed and LeafGreen were the first pair of remakes to have Steel type Pokémon, but we don't note that. It should be obvious.--ForceFire 23:40, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

"To" to "for".

I noticed the article says "... Steven Stone, the Mach Bike, and the Acro Bike will return to the first time since...", when I presume that "for" is meant to be in there instead of "to." Would someone fix this for me, please? He's here! The one and only...Uncle Edit! (talk) 03:19, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Corrected. Thanks for pointing that out. --Pokemaster97 03:26, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Not all Mega Evolutions are on this page that have been revealed

Mega Salamence, Mega Metagross, Mega Altaria, and Mega Lopunny all need to be mention after Mega Sableye.--Hydreigonfan1 (talk) 11:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Taken care of. Berrenta (talk) 12:43, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
But they weren't revealed in July issue, only in August, it should be noted in the new paragraph, with the return of Horde Encounters, new Pikachu forms... Asmod96 (talk) 15:00, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
To chime in on this discussion without making another section, it has been a few days since Mega Sharpedo, Mega Gallade, and Mega Camerupt were revealed. Are the admins waiting for confirmation from, for example, before this makes it into the article? If the CoroCoro leak from this month is enough confirmation, could somebody with access add this to the article? Superbreeder 19:27, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

More Mega Evolutions?

Yesterday, the official Pokémon website of Korea accidentally revealed two new mega evolution Pokémon; Mega Slowbro and Mega Audino. Many people like myself questioned if this was real or a scam. It's the official Pokémon site of Korea. More information will come as we get it. - unsigned comment from DJMander (talkcontribs)

Another Mega Evo Tidbit

Sorry to add onto the trend of mentioning the new megas, but currently the paragraph states at least eight Mega Evolutions and then lists ten. I'd fix it myself but of course I can't so could someone just do that for me XD Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 18:24, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

No Steven Stone since Emerald?

Um, didn't he appear in B2W2 as a Champion? Starscream (talk) 23:13, 28 August 2014 (UTC)


Could someone add that Nintendo HK and Taiwan have both confirmed the games will (like X/Y) contain all languages on the one card? Nowhere seems to have picked up on this, probably because only Nintendo HK/TW bothered to clarify this (since only HK and TW are in a region of their own, without having a local translation). - BZD (talk) 03:43, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


The ACB has put up their ratings: Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. glikglak 01:30, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Noteworthy Trivia?

I know remake trivia is usually ignored, but I think it would be good to add that Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are the first remakes (Of course, not counting things like Emerald or Platinum) to not feature the original mascot? ArtistKyurem (talk) 02:59, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

It's still Groudon and Kyogre, just in primal reversion. So no, it's not true nor notable (since there's only three pairs, which is too small of a group).--ForceFire 03:09, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Demo version link

I think a link to the Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire Special Demo Version should be somewhere on this page... Maybe just in a See also section at the bottom. Or possibly even as part of Template:Core series. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:20, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure when proper information is begun to be added to the page, there will be a section for the demo. ----samm :D 20:39, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Why not just unlock the page? glikglak 20:54, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I'd guess they will tomorrow so those of us who can edit can get to work? ----samm :D 21:17, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

"Display" to "Cosplay"

It looks like in the Blurb section it says "Pikachu likes to display?!" but on the box it says "Pikachu likes to cosplay?!" I assume this is a typo? --avm :^) (talk) 19:16, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

That was my autocorrect. glikglak 19:26, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Ah, okay. --avm :^) 19:35, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Prof. Birch chase

The page should be edited to note that Prof. Birch is chased by a Shroomish when you get a Johto starter and not a Poochyena. Hellopio (talk) 23:16, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Also, choosing another starter is not through BEATING the Elite Four a second time, just through triggering them. I went to go beat them for the second time, and discovered i was woefully unprepared. I then went off on my merry way to go training up to try again, but I eventually ended up in my house in Littleroot again, and the instant I stepped outside the door, Professor Birch was in trouble again. Zeusfireair (talk) 14:20, 12 December 2014 (UTC)


Please split the "Changes from Ruby & Sapphire" with Aesthetic changes, Location changes and Gameplay changes --HoopsterJohn (talk) 00:17, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. It's looking a tad overloaded at the moment. Probably a subsection for move changes (TM/HM,) unless that can also be considered a gameplay change. --templar(stalk) 13:35, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Looked it over, and I agree. It will need some serious organization. Berrenta (talk) 14:30, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
You're mention the removal of femele Psychics and Triathltes? --HoopsterJohn (talk) 20:28, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Done... more or less, it still needs work, but at least the titles are there. I kept a few subsections under "gameplay changes", it would be a mess otherwise (the HeartGold & SoulSilver page comes to mind) .SaniOKh (talk) 23:14, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Access to the Team Magma/Aqua Hideout after beating Tate and Lisa.

Iirc, it's blocked off after getting the Gym Badge from Tate and Lisa in Ruby/Sapphire, but it's possible to get items from the hideout even after defeating them in ORAS, regardless of whether it's before beating the Elite Four + Champion, or during the Delta Episode. This is likely to be due to elements in the Delta Episode which require access to it, but perhaps it can be mentioned under "Changes", as well?

It wasn't very obvious to me, until I accidentally returned to the hideout just before getting the gym badge from Wallace. -- templar(stalk) 13:42, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Obtaining Sinnoh and Unova starters

The way of obtaining those starters are incorrect. The Unova starters can be obtained AFTER the Delta Episode, and the Sinnoh starters AFTER defeating the Elite 4 the SECOND time. Please correct this! --HoennLove200 (talk) 14:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Help me understand this... (I don't have ORAS at the moment.) If you beat the Elite Four the first time, then complete the Delta Episode, then beat the Elite Four a second time—without ever talking to Prof Birch in the meantime (unless somewhere in that you have to?)—are you telling me you could go find Prof Birch on Route 101 and get a choice of all three regional starters all in a row?
Someone also said (somewhere) you only had to challenge the Elite Four, not beat them. Are you certain it's "defeat" and not "challenge"? Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:20, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
From what I can tell each one is triggered specifically by entering and leaving your house again. So, in my case, I got the Johto starters shortly after beating the Elite Four (because I entered and left my house again after interacting with Zinnia) but this comment only JUST reminded me that I could get a Sinnoh starter even though I beat the Delta Episode days ago (because I hadn't reentered my house after leaving—I suppose I won't do so until this question has a definitive answer). I'm assuming that if you did as you suggest, then Professor Birch would give you one starter each time you re-entered and exited your house. But given the differing cutscenes for each gift, I seriously doubt you'd get all three in one go. —AndyPKMN (talk) 22:32, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Got both Johto and Unova starter after beating E4 and Delta Episode the way it was mentioned so this confirms it. Still need to prepare to deal with Sinnoh Starter. -Tyler53841 (talk) 02:09, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Several "changes from the original game" that should go on the main article

The Ninja Boys that hide behind cardboard trees are now optional. Also, two new trainer classes the Scuba Diver and the Free Diver were introduced to allow optional trainer battles to occur while underwater.

Since the problems with Double Battle exclusive classes had been fixed since the fourth gen, they now have vision ranges of more than one square, meaning, for example, the battle against the first twins of the game Gina and Mia are unavoidable even though the bridges are now three tiles high.

The National Dex is now obtainable after you've just finished beaten Groudon or Kyogre. Thus, the trainers within the Hoenn Victory Road had their teams modified to include Pokémon not native to Hoenn. Also, when you obtain the National Dex, it's possible to find Pokémon not within the Hoenn dex on most routes using the DexNav.

Also, Wally and the Elite Four aren't the only trainers to include a Pokémon retroactively added to the Hoenn dex - Pokémon Breeder Lydia of Route 117's Rosalina had been retroactively turned into a Budew. In addition, Gabby and Ty will eventually evolve their Magnemite into a Magnezone when you rematch them enough times.

Lastly, all the overworld Pikachu had been turned into other Pokémon species for the remake. The only way to see one in-game is to either trade for them, win your first contest (in order to get Cosplay Pikachu), encounter a wild Pikachu in the Hoenn Safari Zone or encounter the very few trainers who use Pikachu on their teams.

Incidentally, Sky Battles as known from XY does not appear in these games. It's possible to encounter wild Pokémon in the sky using the Eon Flute, yes, but the battle's treated like a standard battle instead of a Sky Battle and thus, there's no limits on what Pokémon you can bring and what moves you can use.

--KarjamP (talk) 22:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Unavoidable is a wrong word, since you can always just use one Pokémpon. Also, Rosalina is the wrong franchise. Eridanus (talk) 11:47, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
It's called a typo (I meant Roselia). Anyway, I was talking about "unavoidable" as in you're forced to fight them if you have two or more Pokémon on you. I know they can be skipped if you only have one Pokémon on your team. --KarjamP (talk) 12:10, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Slimey Removed my part that says: Lydia's Roselia is now replaced by Budew thing. --HoennLove200 (talk) 15:28, 4 January 2015 (UTC)


So apparently Brendan and May clothes are different colors depending on the game. Eridanus (talk) 09:45, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Delta Episode

So far I haven't seen any kind of article dedicated to detailing the Delta Episode, but it is a pretty noteworthy portion of the game. Was this going to be worked on, or has it been something that would end up being a stub? --- unsigned comment from CWallace (talkcontribs)

It's a high priority, it's just that no one's gotten around to it. --Abcboy (talk) 04:39, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm new to the Bulbapedia community, who has permissions to create new pages? --C. Wallace Shout out! 04:58, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Autoconfirmed users. I've just stubbed it out with the bare bones, so anyone who has the will to expand it can edit it now. --Abcboy (talk) 05:15, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I've started working on it. It seems like there is a lot of valuable info on the Zinnia page. --C. Wallace Shout out! 05:51, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Completing Pokédex

I'm sorry this isn't really related to the wiki was just searching for some people who knew what they were talking about. I was wondering if there was any way to complete the national Pokédex without use of the GTS. I thought probably not but using GTS feels like going against the whole point of "gotta catch em all". So if I can that would be great. I know there is poke bank but that costs money. Then there is action replay which is for cheaters. My friend code is 0731-4795-7660 608 esaj (talk) 23:22, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

The List of Pokémon by availability says that the National Pokédex can only be completed with X, Y, Omega Ruby, and Alpha Sapphire. You'll have to trade at some point. --Abcboy (talk) 23:58, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay so i have to have both X and Y and both Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire? Also in the List of Pokémon by availability is says FS in the corner. What does that mean? i think it means friend safari but im not positive 608 esaj (talk) 14:30, 18 March 2015 (UTC) Also it says Ditto can be caught in Mirage Cave or Mirage Forest but when I go there it says I have caught every possible Pokémon. Any idea where I can get a ditto? Also I want to get a shiny ditto for the Masuda Method but I don't know what gender it needs to be. 608 esaj (talk) 19:34, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Change our abbreviation?

According to both Poké and the Pokémon Omega Ruby and Pokémon Alpha Sapphire Special Demo Version, the official abbreviation is "ΩRαS". I know "ORAS" is easier to type, but isn't "Pokemon" over "Pokémon"? And we still use the latter because it's official. I'm not saying we should change it right away, but it's something we should think about. Technickal (talk) 14:22, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

The thing is, ORAS is at least as valid an abbreviation as "ΩRαS". It's the difference between abbreviating "Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire" vs "Ω Ruby and α Sapphire". (Though technically, the official titles don't actually use either "Ω" or "α"; in short, is just stylizing the "abbreviation".) But the thing is, I don't think we should expect people to be familiar enough with Greek letters to easily understand "ΩRαS". For that reason alone, I think we should definitely prefer "ORAS".
Also, FWIW, I don't think abbreviations like GSC, RSE, etc. have generally seen official use. To my knowledge, "ΩRαS" may be the first. By this I mean to say, if we've been using abbreviations for our own convenience thus far, I don't know if we should care too much about "ΩRαS" now. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:56, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
ORAS is used in some official URLs, which is why we went with it rather than ΩRαS. I wouldn't be opposed to using ΩRαS though. --SnorlaxMonster 14:59, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Hmm...I guess we'll leave it for now. Technically "XY" is the first official abbreviation, but that doesn't really count since it' know...not really an abbreviation. "DP" could also count; it was used on some seasons of the Diamond & Pearl series, but I don't know if it also would apply to the games or just the anime. Thanks for your replies. Technickal (talk) 15:38, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Fuss over wording of "additional moves and items" bullet point.

Creating this here to prevent an edit war. I had originally phrased it to include the words "backwards compatibility" mode, yet it was changed to the current wording be more "concise and clear". I've eventually altered it to a variation of the same words I used when I've already added the example because of "awkward wording", only for it to be reverted by Glik.

When I said "awkward wording", I really should've said "inaccurate" - the game really does fallback in a sort of a "backwards compatibility" mode called the "Kalos ruleset" whenever the games communicate with copies of Pokémon X and Y. Technically, it's not that the items are incompatible to X and Y. It's the fact that they're forbidden within the so-called "Kalos ruleset".

I would've changed it back to my wording and change the words "backwards compatibility" (which I do admit to being jargon) to "Kalos ruleset" if it wasn't for my concerns of starting an edit war. --KarjamP (talk) 00:20, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Battle formats aren't the only form of inter-game communication. The additions are incompatible, regardless of any compatibility mode, because they don't exist within X and Y's code. glikglak 00:30, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
That may be so, but even then, it's technically still a form of "backwards compatibility" since the game, itself, is programmed to prevent Pokémon holding those items and Pokémon with those moves from being used within any sort of "communication" between these games and X and Y. I know enough of computers to know that's the most likely method used to stop them from being used within communication between these games, as for all we know, if it weren't for the existence of that "backwards compatibility" mode, automatically enabled when the games tries to communicate with copies of X and Y, Pokémon with those move and items could still be traded even though they aren't programmed into X and Y, resulting in those Pokémon knowing glitch moves and holding onto glitch items as long as they're within X and Y.
This is possible between RBY and GSC, where via a use of glitches, it's possible to trick the game into allowing you to trade Pokémon introduced within the second gen, as well as Pokémon knowing moves that only exist from second gen onward, into a first gen game. Since they're obviously not programmed into the game, they transform into glitch Pokémon and glitch moves, respectively. --KarjamP (talk) 09:26, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
This "backwards compatability" is simply irrelevant in the trivia. The point that trivia was nested under said "These are the only pair of remakes where:". For that format, you should pretty much just say "This is the difference/unique thing" and move on. If you want to mention the ramifications of this unique thing within the game or within the generation, that belongs elsewhere (like, for instance, on trade, Precipice Blades, and Mega Stone). Tiddlywinks (talk) 09:42, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
I was just about to post that it was just me being nitpicky (as usual) about something I perceived as inaccurate. I was convinced to leave this alone when the one who had originally changed it into its current wording told me, via my own talk page, told me his reasons behind doing that. As I said, it's just a fuss over something I was being nitpicky about. --KarjamP (talk) 09:48, 24 August 2015 (UTC)


Why are Latias and Latios not in Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire#Version-exclusive Pokémon? --Dettalk 18:34, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's because each one is available in the opposite version via the Eon Ticket. Not sure whether that should count, since it's event-only, but it's a possibility. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:12, 8 July 2016 (UTC)


What does it mean by "6 Kalos Starters" and "6 Kanto Starters"? No core series game has more than 3 starters. If you count evolutions, then there would be 9 of each. - unsigned comment from LukeDaDiggityDog (talkcontribs)

It doesn't say "6 Kalos Starters" and "6 Kanto Starters"; it says "all 6 Kanto and Kalos starter Pokémon", i.e., the six starter Pokémon you get by combining the three Kanto starters and three Kalos starters. —Minimiscience (talk) 22:39, 30 May 2017 (UTC)