Talk:Generation VI

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The redirect here needs to be suppressed, now that gen VI has been announced. Digifiend (talk) 12:49, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

X and Y.

Since this is going to be a full 3D (instead of 2.5D)... X and Y (as well Z) are the coordinates in 3D. X is horizontal, Y is vertical and Z is depth. Kinda neat reference. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 14:47, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Cool theory. Wouldn't be surprised if they did. But for all we know they might do what they did with Generation V and come out with an "X2" and "Y2". But I like your idea. ^_^ ----NateVirus(Talk|Contributions) 00:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
WOW, Marked I thought of exactly the same (before reading this talk page). But there's more! Remember Palkia and Dialga? Well, they're the beings of space and time, huh? Well, remeber Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyurem? The dragons of truth, ideals and dreams? Now it gets tricky, remember the differences between Black (2) and White (2)? Old Opelucid, new Opelucid, old way of growing vegetables in Mistralton, new way of growing vegetables in Mistralton? Where, or WHEN, do people find the truth, find their ideals or have dreams about those two? In the past, the future and the present! Wait that has to do with time! Wait Dialga has to do with time! And wth, in the Cartesian coordinate system x and y and z (there's always a third one, of course) represent the 3 dimensions of space! Wait did I say space? Wait Palkia has to do with Space! Nickvang (talk) 19:41, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
On other hand, considering DNA helises in Japanese logos... If they're going by sequels again, we can expect Pokémon W and Pokémon Z. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 20:36, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
This page is not meant for speculation. Please take this conversation over to the forums. --Pokemaster97 21:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Pokemaster I was just going to add this: 'You would expect four legendary mascots!? Well, there are a billion ways for the Pokémon developers to make sequels (if they're not going for a third version once again) without having to create four legends. Like what they did with Kyurem, or maybe they'll give X and Y a new form, so discussing about that won't get you anywhere obvious, and then you'll start speculating...' But pokemaster, can we add the relation between the Caresian coordinate system and the new 3d games on the page? Nickvang (talk) 21:08, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
The staff decided that we will not be adding any trivia about the Caresian coordinate system at this time. --Pokemaster97 22:58, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

A few errors

There should be a dot after the Eiffel Tower part. Also, surely the last sentence is supposed to say five previous generations, not four. Արիանո 16:33, 8 January 2013 (UTC) Or rather I would say "the regions preceding it". Արիանո 16:39, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Masatoshitalk 19:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Not "versions"!

Just to point out - it's been made clear in the Pokémon Direct that X and Y are the first two main series games without "Version" in their titles. In other words, they are not "Pokémon X Version and Pokémon Y Version", but "Pokémon X and Pokémon Y". Could this page please be edited to reflect this departure? NP Chilla (talk) 17:36, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

This shows them as X Version and Y Version, so it still follows the tradition, even if unofficially. For now we won't be changing it. Masatoshitalk 19:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


it says they were released as a pair Pikachu Bros. (talk) 19:09, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Masatoshitalk 19:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

With this confirmation...

that means that Generation V is the first Generation that does not have a solitary version? - unsigned comment from Deruffy (talkcontribs)

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Considering that they made sequels instead of third version, we can't be sure about anything. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 20:48, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Region inspiration

"The new region draws inspiration from France" should probably be changed to "The new region appears to draw inspiration from France" until we've seen more of it. There might well just be an Eiffel Tower replica plunked into a PokeCalifornia or something. Yamiidenryuu (talk) 21:24, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you on this point. It's honestly too soon to be jumping to conclusions. --Pokemaster97 21:42, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I think, if I were being really pedantic, even "Appears to draw inspiration from France" could be a little misleading, because it makes it sound like it'll all be France. There are deserts in the trailer, how many deserts does France have? That's more quintessentially Spanish. I'd say the new region "appears to have drawn inspiration from European landmarks, such as the Eiffel Tower in France." But even then, European landmarks is conjecture. Relatively safe conjecture, but still, minefield!! Only thing we can really say is that there's a tower in it that looks a bit French. How do you translate that into Bulbapese? Constantmotion (talk) 00:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Actually, I just watched the trailer back, and the moment where Pikachu shoots lightning across the world, you can see it originates somewhere in Europe. I found this interesting, and given this conversation, an observation perhaps to be worth noting. Rassilon of Old (Talk - Contribs) 01:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
I also agree with "appears to have drawn inspiration from European landmarks, such as the Eiffel Tower in France.", since there are many monuments similar to the ones we can see in the trailer, like Blackpool tower in or Buckingam Palace in England, aswell as the radio tower in Alexanderplatz in Berlin, or the city architecture in Italy. Tano (talk) 19:32, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Good thing that you mentioned the trailer because, if anything, it only serves as further evidence that the games draw inspiration from France because Pikachu is seen actually standing atop the Eiffel tower. People who keep mentioning "how many deserts does France have?" are pretty ridiculous when you take into account the fact that Game Freak has taken a huge amount of artistic freedom in the past (i.e. Unova Route 4). Gacs (talk) 07:47, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
This discussion has trailed off into idle speculation. Please use the forums to carry out this discussion. This topic is being dropped as the page refers to Europe instead of France. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 10:52, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

reveal time.

Can we say this generation has the fastest reveal time after a game of the previous generation was released?Deoxys80 (talk) 01:02, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

The space between Gen I and Gen II was quite short too in Japan if I recall KennyMc0294 (talk) 01:19, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the infoboxes in our articles (which give the exact length in days), Generation I was about 350 days longer than Generation V in Japan, but about 60 days shorter in the US. By the way, KennyMc0294, you can sign your posts with four tildes (~) instead of having to type it out manually. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 00:27, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

"3 new"?

Shouldn't the sidebar say 5 new? They may not be named, but the legendaries shown certainly count as separate, new Pokémon. - unsigned comment from Gadvac (talkcontribs)

It's based on how many Pokémon articles are in the Gen VI category. The Legendary Pokémon don't currently have names, so it's impossible to create an article for them. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 02:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

They were recently revealed with the deer-like Pokémon being Xerneas and the bird-like Pokémon being Yvetal. - unsigned comment from Plusleminun311312 (talkcontribs)

No images?

Can we get some images of the new overworld/battle system in the gallery, or is there a page where they already exist? -Wohdin (talk) 05:13, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

They're on Pokémon X and Y Versions. --SnorlaxMonster 05:14, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Xerneas and Yveltal

Names of the X and Y mascots just confirmed: NP Chilla (talk) 14:16, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

"Nintendo of America has revealed the names of the two Legendary Pokemon which will feature in the forthcoming Pokemon X and Pokemon Y for the Nintendo 3DS. The Pokemon X Legendary is called Xerneas, which is pronounced Zurr-nee-us. The Pokemon Y mascot is called Yveltal, which is pronounced ee-vell-tall." - unsigned comment from BritLucifer (talkcontribs)

Genetic Generation?

Even ignoring that it would be a reference to 3D axes if there were a Pokémon Z, the selling point of this generation is that it is the first generation to be 3D in every sense of the word. I think that's how people will remember this gen, so I thought we would be calling it the 3D generation, similar to how Generation III was called the Advance Generation. X and Y don't have special meaning in genetics outside of sex chromosomes. Even without a Pokémon Z I'd say it's more a reference to the mathematical variables that are used to establish two different things, than to genetics. Like how Black and White are used as metaphors for things that are opposite. That was actually my first reaction when I found out the names of the games, as "Pokémon X and Y" could be used as a term to refer to paired versions in general. Well, what I'm saying is that I would call it the 3D generation. Feel free to disagree, but it would be better than "Genetic Generation". TorchicBlaziken (talkedits) 15:48, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree to an extent - while it is possible it's to do with genetics, it's a bit of a stretch to call it Genetic Generation at such an early point in conception. Also, it does seem a bit less likely for it to be genetics (after all, if it truly were about sex chromosomes, it should be XX and XY, not X and Y. My first thoughts personally were co-ordinates, but that could be wrong, too). Either way, as a wiki, speculation shouldn't be added as fact, right? Thus, "Genetic Generation" should be moved until there is hard evidence that the X and Y do, in fact, represent sex genes. LordSchmee (talk) 16:00, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Do not forget that Generation IV is already called the 3D generation (even though this Generation is gonna be more 3D than Gen IV) and that there's a small string of DNA in the Japanese logo's of the Games. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 16:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, I guess if there's already a 3D generation we'll just have to leave it until people actually start calling this generation something or Bulbapedia calling it genetic generation carries over to people calling it that, whichever comes first. At least I know why it's called that here now. TorchicBlaziken (talkedits) 16:26, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Who comes up with these names anyway? I've only ever heard of "Advanced Generation" (which was used in promotion). Everything else seems to be made up. --Dorsal Axe (talk) 16:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't think gen VI should be called genetic generation without confirmation. The names of the previous generations had some relation to (at least) the primary paired versions. For e.g., gen II was Metal Generation(Gold and Silver). So the name should have some relation the primary paired versions.Auraguardian197 17:22, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
The "n" in Pocket Monster clearly represents a strand of DNA. Therefore, it's obvious they're referring to the chromosomes, and not the axes. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 17:27, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Incidentally, there's a 3D pokeball in the logo and it also uses 3D text. That being said, calling it the "coordinates generation" or something would just be asinine. --Dorsal Axe (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
Could it not easily be referencing both? x & y coordinates relating to mathematics, 3D graphics, etc as well as X & Y chromosomes relating to DNA, evolution, pokedarwinism, etc. Also, x and y aren't opposite, they're orthogonal. In fact, none of the version names have been truly "opposite" except MAYBE black and white. --BritLucifer (talk) 18:19, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
To quote Pokemaster97 (from above), "The staff decided that we will not be adding any trivia about the Caresian coordinate system at this time." So, let's just wait until more info comes out. GamerGeek 22:40, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

"YES, Generation VI is confirmed. PLEASE DO NOT ADD SPECULATION TO PAGES. As soon as information is confirmed by a reliable source, it will be added." Because Gen. VI being the "Genetic Generation" is obviously a confirmed fact. I don't understand why it is still there. *~Darklight~* 13:13, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm so sorry to disagree, but this is bothering me too. None of this is confirmed by any reliable source. We can't be sure what that graphic above the n means. I personally think that stating this is the "Genetic Generation" is too bold and premature. If anything, I think both theories are correct; the one on the side of it being the first 3D generation of Pokémon games, and maybe something to do with DNA, that I agree, is present in the Japanese logos of the games anyway. I think it shouldn't be added to the page until something more, like a preview of the games or a glimpse of the next series is out, to see which theory was the closest or actually correct. Come on, we can wait. YukitoOoO (talk) 04:20, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

no longer 3

Hi, i was just wondering if someone can change the '3 new' hyperlink on the Pokemon section of the side bit, seeing as there's now 5 named Pokemon instead of 3; i'd do it myself but the page is locked, thanks Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 19:00, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Click the clock at the top of the site. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 19:26, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

UK and Aussie Release

You guys forgot to mark the template so that it shows the UK and Aussie release as October 2013 as well. Yamitora1 (talk) 21:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)


Is there any confirmation that Chespin, Fennekin, and Froakie are the starters? After the last two generations, it's been proven that we can't assume anything. Bwburke94 (talk) 03:45, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes they are. GamerGeek 23:06, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
It's been confirmed on the official Pokémon website as well. --Mathfreak231 (talk) 14:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Advances in gameplay

The only thing in that subtopic is info about the graphics. Retitle? Ampere (talk) 04:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

It's going to have more information added when more information comes out. --It's Funktastic~! (talk) 04:45, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Link Troubles

On some pages, when reading the 'YES, Generation VI is confirmed.' part, the 'Generation VI' is not a link, merely in bold writing, one such page is the page for Last Resort (Sorry for the lack of link to page, not good with links!).TurtleLover1999 (talk) 18:54, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I think that you mean to put this on the MediaWiki:Sitenotice talk page as it seems to be what you are referring to. Hope that helps a bit. :) --Super goku (talk) 07:13, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't seem to be getting this problem. Is it still happening? --Pokemaster97 15:04, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
No,I don't think so. I checked last resort article and the link is working.Auraguardian197 16:17, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

article for ninfia

could we have an article of the recent announced pokemon, "Ninfia"- unsigned comment from Dragon146 (talkcontribs)

Already is one. It is just not in the mainspace right now. --HoennMaster 19:18, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Today his English name was announced by the Pokémon Company - it's Sylveon. NP Chilla (talk) 13:08, 14 February 2013 (UTC)


I think Sylveon should be added to the page as the 4th Generation VI Pokémon to have been revealed/announced. CounterShift (talk) 02:25, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant 6th Pokémon. Xerneas and Yveltal appeared first. CounterShift (talk) 02:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Some trivia to be added...

The Japanese logo of the Pokémon games has been changed once again for Generation VI's releases. ~~LDEJRuff~~ 5:11, 23 February, 2013 (UTC)

Some pretty obvious trivia

This is the first time the same games are being released at the same time in Japan and the US. Infernapefan95 00:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

It would be better to wait until we have an official release date. --Pokemaster97 03:40, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Pokemon Sprites/Models

After the game is released, are all Pokemon models going to replace the existing sprites (on the site)? Or just the Gen. 6? Garyoak (talk) 01:07, 10 March 2013 (UTC) !

We can't give a definitive answer right now. They might still use sprites for say the Pokédex or something. We won't know for sure until the games are released. If there are just models, it's possible the sprites will be replaced. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 01:14, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

An Error On The Page

The page says that "For the first time, the Pokemon games will be in full 3D." However, Pokemon Coliseum was also completely in 3D, can one of you admins change it to say something like, "For the first time since Pokemon Coliseum, the games will be in full 3D." - unsigned comment from Cowsaidmoo (talkcontribs)

This point is referring to the main series. Colosseum (as well as Stadium 0, 1, 2; XD; and PBR which you missed) is not a main series game. --SnorlaxMonster 07:25, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Personally I kind of agree with Cowsaidmoo, could you change it to say "For the first time, the main series Pokémon games will be in full 3D."- unsigned comment from IVsaur (talkcontribs)

"(6 new)"

The page mentions that there are only 6 new pokémon, but they recently revealed the rumored new mewtwo form as a new pokémon as opposed to a mewtwo form, so it should have it's own page, and this page should state that there are 7 new pokémon. Kitty Box (talk) 23:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

It has not been given a name yet, nor has it been revealed that it is either a new Pokémon or just a form of Mewtwo. When Black Kyurem and White Kyurem where announced, they were presented as new Pokémon first too. You can't definitely say it is a new Pokémon. So unless there will be confirmation about its status, it won't get a page, nor will anything be changed regarding it on this page. ☼ BlazingFist ☼ 23:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
That number also automatically updates depending on the number of articles in the Generation VI Pokémon cat, so it can't be manually changed to reflect current numbers without an addition to the category. So even if it's revealed that it's a brand new pokémon, that number will not change unless we have a name to make an article into (ergo upping the number in the category from 6 to 7). Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 23:59, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Grammar mistake

The opening line of the article, "The sixth generation of Pokémon, is the sixth installment of the Pokémon series," should not contain a comma between Pokemon and is. The comma adds nothing and doesn't make grammatical sense. Ransomedsquirrel (talk) 01:46, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

I agree...I removed it. Thank you :) --ZestyCactus 01:54, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

"For the first time in the main series, the games will be in full 3D"?

In the article, it says that X & Y will be "For the first time in the main series, the games will be in full 3D". Isn't this an incorrect statement due to Pokémon Colosseum and Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness? - unsigned comment from ????? (talkcontribs) 19:40, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

No. It says main series

Pokemon nomekop (talk) 01:32, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Colosseum and XD are main series as far as Bulbapedia is concerned. (They're included on the "main series" template at the bottom of any main series game, and have "Generation III main series" listed in their articles' infoboxes.) The sentence should either be removed to changed to something like "The games will be the first main series games in full 3D on a handheld console". Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 01:51, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, it means hand held games. If it meant the main series in general, Pokemon Stadium would've preceded that by miles away. I would re-write it but I think you should get what the sentence is trying to say anyway given what the article is about (i.e. Hand held games).--ForceFire 03:28, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Stadium, Colosseum, XD and other similar games should be referred to as "side series" games of Bulbapedia (distinct from both "main series" and "spin-off"). This was decided back in 2011, it's just that the terminology was never really fully implemented. --SnorlaxMonster 04:11, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
If it's not gonna be "fully implemented", it might as well not have been decided at all. As the wiki pages currently stand, ColoXD and the Stadium games are main series, so if they're not corrected we might as well go back to the old definition, because apparently nobody cares enough about it. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:49, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Previously nobody had decided whether they were main series or not. Plenty of people insisted they were main series, and plenty insisted they were spin-offs. Thus, we needed to create this third category. They were referred to as both spin-offs and main series games on Bulbapedia prior to this agreement, so there is nothing to revert to. All we need now is for them to actually be properly referred to. --SnorlaxMonster 06:58, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
The "spin-off" template is currently labelled "side series". The template's current content aside, that's the name of their target classification anyway, so they should be moved there. If no one else will make the changes, I will. Is there anything that needs editing besides the templates themselves and the infoboxes/templates on the games' pages? (There should probably be a new page called "Side series Pokémon games" in the vein of the current "Spin-off Pokémon games", but I don't really know any of the basics about starting articles, so I'll leave that to someone else.) Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 07:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Oh! You already started editing the games' pages. I went ahead and changed the templates. Anything else I can do? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 07:09, 10 June 2013 (UTC)


Someone change the region to Karosu, because for some reason I cannot.

The region is called Karosu, for some reason I cannot edit this in. - unsigned comment from TheJaceX (talkcontribs)

The English name is now Kalos, but the article is protected, so only admins can edit the page. Special Stage Route (pit stop) 13:31, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Debut time

Since it's debuting in the same time for English and Japanese, wouldn't it make sense to remove the "En" and "Jp" as sub boxes? --Phoenixon (talk) 13:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Those are part of the template so they can't be removed without throwing it off. Besides, we don't know yet if they games are being released on the same day just yet. --HoennMaster 23:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Hoennmaster, I don't really think that something could be a sub of something else just because it is released a single day later... If the games go through development at the same time, I think that their would be an obvious case of both being the original. However, I don't think that the English translaters actually write some of the text fully by themselves. So I guess it's still a sub after all. I mean, I don't expect both games being written respectively and telling a totally different story... Nickvang (talk) 19:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Development has nothing to do with this, it's the restrictions of the current template. --HoennMaster 06:58, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
I can understand that HoennMaster, but I just don't agree with the part where you say: 'Besides, we don't know yet if the(y) games are being released on the same day just yet.'. I just don't think that not being released on the same day, could be an argument for it being a sub. Nickvang (talk) 18:09, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
There's not argument to be had, as I have already said, that is how the template is set up. A new template would have to be made to have just one release date. --HoennMaster 02:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
Yes, yes, yes HoennMaster, I understand and accept that! Even before I said anything on this page. However the point of the games having to be released on the same day to not be a sub, doesn't make sense to me. But it DOES make sense to me that we use the current template. And with argument I meant 'point' and not 'discussion'. Nickvang (talk) 17:16, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

(resetting indent) I'm guessing that he doesn't understand what you mean by a "sub". If they aren't released on the same day, then it needs to have both boxes shown, because even one day of difference should be shown by us. If we use the current template, it'll have both boxes shown regardless. I'm not quite sure where you disagree. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 17:42, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

I understand what he is saying (although as said, you aren't being clear on what you mean by saying "sub"), but he's bringing up irrelevant things that don't have anything to do with the original question. The original question was answered in the first post and then got derailed. --HoennMaster 17:46, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

MyNintendoNews reports a global release on October 12, 2013. Yamitora1 (talk) 22:02, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, so after all it is not a sub or 'translation'. And even if they weren't released on the same day, they wouldn't be. Because they went through development at the same time. And I'm not bringing up irrelevant things, because I replied to the second sentence said by HoennMaster, and the first one answered the first question. So if anything said by me was irrelevant, then it is al HM's doing, because then his second sentence was irrelevant, and the second sentence of HM led to all of my comments. Nickvang (talk) 19:10, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
Just my two cents to hopefully wind this argument down: Much of the confusion seems to have stemmed from the fact that Phoenixon and HoennMaster were using "sub" as in "sub-boxes" to mean "boxes within boxes" within the "Debut" field in the infobox, and Nickvang was using a non-standard definition of "sub" to mean "a version that is derivational of the original version", and neither of you fully/clearly explained your choice of words to the other, so I think there was confusion as to what people were trying to say. Nickvang, HoennMaster appears to think you were bringing up "irrelevant" things because the article was entirely about the template until you brought up developmental things with a different use of the word "sub".
I know that explaining everything step-by-step here probably sounds a little condescending, but I really don't mean it like that; it just seems like both sides are misunderstanding what the other's saying, so I thought it would be helpful to clarify how I see it. Sorry if this is intruding on the conversation. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 19:58, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

New Pokémon ?

I actually found this "new Pokémon" accidentally and I don't know if this Pokémon are coming in Generation VI. It's possible, but I don't know. Here are the three sources I found from "possible" Pokémon from Gneeration VI:

As I said before, I don't know if this Pokémon are new, but it would be great to hear so. --Station7 (talk) 12:59, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

"April 2, 2013" - yeaaaah... I saw that bird picture posted as an April Fools' material. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 13:07, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
The Drowzee pre-evolution is fake. The Pokejungle page is actually explaining how we know it is fake, so I'm confused why you even linked this. The deviantArt post mentions that he now knows they are fake anyway. --SnorlaxMonster 13:13, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
I don't speak Japanese, so I didn't know if they were real or fake. That's why I linked all those pages here. --Station7 (talk) 14:14, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
But all the linked pages were in English. You don't need to read the Japanese to understand them. --SnorlaxMonster 14:30, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Advances in Gameplay

There are a few more, like Pokemon-Amie and Fairy type. Under Pokemon it could also say "At least {{numpkmn}}". TorchicBlaziken (talkedits) 00:45, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

article count if off

The article still says 13 new Pokémon, the count so far is 19 Yamitora1 (talk) 13:15, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

It's automated. It lists the number of articles we have in the Generation VI Pokémon category. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:05, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Weird, for some reason it kept showing up as 13, which it was the last count before the other 6 Pokémon were added. Oh well, its 19 now so that's all that counts. I guess it was some weird Tech crap dealing with cache or some other technical problem with chrome. Yamitora1 (talk) 16:19, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Leaked info

[Leaked Pokémon info] Hopefully they don't lose their job over this... So if this is correct, that means this generation will be the first to feature a Fire/Dragon, Fire/Psychic (starter type), and a few other new combinations. What are your thoughts of this? Frozen Fennec 01:03, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

As a matter of policy, Bulbapedia doesn't post leaks or rumors until they're substantiated by official Nintendo/Game Freak/TPCi/etc confirmation. If you're just looking for discussion, you should go to the forums, because talk pages are meant solely for discussion of how to improve the article. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 01:37, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Will keep that in mind, apologies about that. Frozen Fennec 01:46, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Just to clear things up before anyone gets confused: Gen5 introduced the first Fire/Dragon type Pokémon: Reshiram. Nickvang (talk) 16:55, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Actually, that's wrong, Reshiram's typing is Dragon/Fire, there hasn't been a Fire type with a secondary Dragon type as of yet Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 16:57, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
The so-called 'leaked info' is false and pure fan speculation. Note how they claim Scatterbug and Spewpa would be part-Fairy, yet both are pure Bug-types instead. Wouldn't you think that if they were an insider, they would have predicted the types correctly? --Reliジーランス? 17:05, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Azure42, I hope you understand that Fire/Dragon and Dragon/Fire are considered the same type combination by game mechanics. The Pokémon will get the same STABs, weaknesses and resistances. And still, it is quite confusing to say that Fire/Dragon is a new type-combination, without nothing you also count the order of the types. Nickvang (talk) 17:30, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Actually that's wrong, by that logic Helioptile is Normal/Electric, which is wrong as it's the first to have Normal as its Secondary type, the order can specify if it's an original type combination. It's general syntax, so instead of saying that it's the first Fire/Dragon, the trivia would note that it's the first Fire type to have Dragon as a Secondary type Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 17:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Bulbapedia considers Dragon/Fire and Fire/Dragon to be the same combination in terms of uniqueness, as they share the same battle properties. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 18:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
oh...okay then my bad everyone Azure/ChromeVoid42 (talk) 18:20, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
However, just to wrap things up, Bulbapedia could note it when a type is used as a pure, secondary or primary type for the first time. But in that case, the type combination itself is of no importance at all. (Tornadus is the first pure Flying-type, Noivern is the first Pokémon to have Flying as its primary type and Helioptile is the first Pokémon to have Normal as its secondary type.) Nickvang (talk) 20:13, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Only natural hair color so far.

Did anyone notice that all of the characters confirmed until now only had real-existing, natural hair colors? Calem has brown hair, Serena dark blonde, Shauna brown, Tierno black (if it isn't a hat...), Trevor brownish-red, Alexa brown and Viola brownish-blonde. All of these hair colors exist in real life (without needing paint). I'm only doubting about the lass, does she have blonde or green hair? So, could it be noted that all confirmed characters until now have natural hair colors, or do we need to wait until we know the hair color of every single character from generation six before adding anything at all? Nickvang (talk) 17:05, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think that's particularly notable at all. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 17:07, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, I'm sure it would be notable if this was the first ever generation to only release characters with natural hair-colors. I mean, the characters are anime, so pink, blue, green, purple, whatever hair-colors are normal. That's why it would be notable if this generation only introduced characters with brown, black, grey, red and blonde hair. Also, all of the eye-colors so far are natural too. Nickvang (talk) 17:11, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
It's not. And the game isn't even out yet. We still have a lot more characters to introduce. Ataro (talk) 17:15, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Alright, so I've got an answer to my question: 'we'll have to wait until we see more characters'. However, no one would make this note: 'Generation six is the first ever generation in the whole Pokémon series to only introduce characters with natural, real-existing hair- and eye-colors. This is in contrast to most anime-styled game-series, as they normally contain characters with non-natural, not-existing hair- and eye-colors.' if every character has natural, real-existing hair- and eye-colors? That would be weird, very weird. As some things noted in trivia are far less important! Nickvang (talk) 17:25, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Purple hair isn't natural. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 18:06, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Fairy Type

Shouldn't a note about the Fairy-type be added to this page similar to how the Generation II page mentions the introduction of Dark and Steel? --HoennMaster 06:37, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

More Info

Is anyone going to add anything to to this page? I mean I know everything hasn't been revealed about the main games, but the sky battles, hoard battles, the fairy type, the legendary types and more info regarding the pokemon itself, the game itself and more has been released. It should be on here. I mean Pokemon X and Y have more info regarding the new generation than this page itself! And again, I know not everything has been revealed, and won't be for months to come, but what is known and revealed should be updated nicely and neatly on this page! But that is just how I feel. I know eventually It will be updated, but still it looks lame right now! I would do it myself, but I'd rather an admin do it so it won't be removed! - unsigned comment from Demers-Vachon (talkcontribs)

Even if you did intend to do it yourself, you couldn't. The page is locked to everyone except admins to prevent speculation and spam. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:39, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes i realized that after, but my I stand by what I said above, it only makes sense. At least to me anyways! :-) - unsigned comment from Demers-Vachon (talkcontribs)

amount of gen 6 pokemon miscounting

there are 29 gen 6 pokemon announced right now not 28. 0danmaster0 (talk) 20:10, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

The infobox is automated to give the number of articles in the Generation VI Pokémon category. There's no need to bring the matter up on the talk page, as there's literally no way for us to change the number except by making/removing articles; if you see a problem like this, you should instead identify the Pokémon that isn't included and ask that its article be created. In this case, it seems the problem is that Oorotto is still in the userspace because it hasn't had much info (including its Sugimori art) revealed, so it's not counting toward the number of articles in the category. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request: GenInfo

|storage={{pkmn|Bank}} - Chosen of Mana 18:59, 24 September 2013 (UTC)


Can the indefinite protection be removed please. --HoennMaster 06:30, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


Is hard to get a imagen capture of a 3D model? --HoopsterJohn (talk) 00:45, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Beyond taking pictures, which are generally of unsuitable quality, the only way to get sprites from 3DS games is to use a capture device, which are very expensive, and most people don't have them. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 00:49, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Why don't we get the sprites from Serebii or ask them where they got them? --Togekiss4ever (talk) 05:59, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
We can't take Serebii's sprites because he does not allow us to. He got them because he has the type of capture device Funktastic mentioned above. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 06:05, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Would this be Trivia worthy?

Generation VI introduced the least amount of Legendary Pokémon with only 3.

--Tom (My Talk Page) 11:39, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Wait for event legends (even though there's supposedly three).--The Truth aka Relicant 12:33, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

inverse battle

--Darkmaster (talk) 21:14, 2 November 2013 (UTC)Shouldn't inverse battles be include with the new battle formats? Can an admin please include this style?

Also, can one or another admin please change:

Like previous generations, the first installments, [[Pokémon X and Y]], will be released as a pair.


It is about the first installments, [[Pokémon X and Y]], which was released as a pair.

SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 21:47, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I have not found inverse battle format anywhere in other games, making it a new format. Can someone PLEASE include it in the new battle formats?--Darkmaster (talk) 19:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

please?--Darkmaster (talk) 02:54, 11 November 2013 (UTC) Now that the page has become unprotected, I have added it on myself. Thank you for unprotecting the page, whover did it. To everyone else, thanks for nothing.Darkmaster (talk) 00:30, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Trivia for the Generation?

I think it might be worth noting, that Generation VI is the second Pokemon generation where completing the National Pokedex was impossible until the release of supplemental material (The Pokemon Bank app in this case) due to a lack of ability to directly communicate with the previous generation (the first time this occurred being Generation III, where the supplemental material was Emerald/Kanto Remakes and the Gamecube Games). Lugia61617 (talk) 10:13, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Second to do something isn't notable; only first is. I do think, however, that it might be notable that this is the first time in which transfer from past games is (or rather, will be) possible but only with the help of supplemental material. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:35, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
"Supplemental material" is a bit ambiguous; you need a link cable to transfer between Gen II and III, you need an original DS/DS Lite to transfer between Gen III and IV, you need 2 DS/3DS systems to transfer between Gen IV and V. --SnorlaxMonster 03:33, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
External program, then? This is the first time the requirement is software, right? --Wynd Fox 06:26, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Move/Ability/Stat changes

These are the ones I know off the top of my head.

'Mon that got more base stats (10, as far as I know):

(Serebii has more:

Also, 'mon that changed abilities.

--Raijinili (talk) 00:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

The name currently in use is NOT a fan designator Check entry No.233 01.21.2013, it says "Pokémon X and Pokémon Y–the evolved sixth generation of Pokémon." towards the end of the press release. Shepeedy (talk) 18:38, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Thought I couldn't remove it, but I could, so I removed it. I think we can remove it from gen I-V pages, too. Shepeedy (talk) 09:58, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
It is a fan designator, other generations use that template so why not? --Cinday123 (Talk) 10:06, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Did you read what I wrote in the first message? .-. Junichi Masuda called it ""sixth generation". Shepeedy (talk) 16:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
It's still a fan name. The sentence was merely saying the games were of the sixth generation of games, not naming them Generation VI. It shows that Masuda uses the term "generation" to describe groups of games; it doesn't show what he specifically calls each one. Glik (talk) 17:39, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
As Glik said, the Roman numerals are still a fan designator. If anything, this could be a precedent to move all our generation articles to "sixth generation", etc., instead of using Roman numerals. If we did so, though, we would have to make edits to pretty close to every single page on the wiki, though, so I'm not sure how reasonable it would be on such slim evidence. The Roman numerals are a core part of our in-house style's infrastructure. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 17:45, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Here in Italy, Roman numerals are read as "first", "second", etc; it appears it's not the case in English-speaking countries. Anyway, do as you wish, the meaning of "Pokémon X and Pokémon Y–the evolved sixth generation of Pokémon." seems quite clear to me, it refers to the games and, obviously, to the Pokémon they introduced. Shepeedy (talk) 14:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
"Generation VI" and "GenVI" are both fan designators for what is currently "Pokémon X and Pokémon Y", an official term. "Sixth generation" might be able to be considered official, but I personally believe that Bulbapedia should keep the "Generation foo" names, given that only GenVI would have an official name, and I favor consistancy in page naming. --TruePikachu (talk) 01:14, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Legendary Pokémon

Is this the generation with the fewest Legendary Pokémon ever, or for now? --Cinday123 (Talk) 05:36, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it has the fewest legendary Pokémon as the three hidden legendary aren't official. Next time, do pay attention to the edit summaries as uses may explain their edits in the summaries.--ForceFire 05:38, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
There's still no reason for us to go out of the way to state something that, while not yet officially wrong, is still likely to be wrong. I strongly think it would be better for us to just not say one way or the other until either they're revealed or Gen 6 ends. We do not suffer at all by omitting a trivium about something as negligible as which generation has the fewest Legendaries, but we do suffer lowered credibility when something we say is later proven objectively false. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:42, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
As of this moment, Generation VI introduced the fewest Legendary Pokémon. However, I believe that Generation VI might have introduced the fewest non-hidden Legendaries. That could be put in the trivia (reminds me, I should "compress" what is here) once someone figures out a good term for it (Primary Legendaries? Initial Legendaries?) --TruePikachu (talk) 01:21, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Foot Prints

should it be mentioned that the foot print feature of the Pokédex has been removed?Yamitora1 (talk) 20:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

"No Legendary Trio"

I hate to break it to ya guys, but Zygarde is THE most blatantly OBVIOUS Rayquaza Expy to have ever existed. Here's a few things to note here:

  • Zygarde has a Green color scheme, while Xerneas and Yveltal have a Blue and Red coloration to match the RGB Color Palette.
  • Xerneas and Yveltal are both designed based on the letters X and Y, and the first letters in their names are even those same letters. Zygarde not only is shaped in the manner of a Z due to being a serpent, but also has it's name begin with the letter Z.
  • Zygarde's signature ability, Aura Break, ONLY effects Fairy Aura and Dark Aura, which are ONLY known to be available to Xerneas and Yveltal. This isn't too different from Rayquaza in how it cancels out the abilities of the other two members of the trio.
  • Xerneas is the Life Pokemon, Yveltal is the Destruction Pokemon, and Zygarde is the Order Pokemon.
  • It's PokeDex Entries don't make reference to the other two, but bare in mind, neither did Rayquaza, Giratina, or Kyurem had any references to the others until their versions were released.

Overall, with that in mind, that would make the Mortality Duo the Mortality TRIO if anything else. Shiramu Kuromu (talk) 14:00, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, we can assume it, but we can't confirm it just yet. Not until the games or the anime makes the connection with the three. This is the same with Kyurem and Giratina before it, we didn't count them as part of their trio until the anime/games confirmed it.--ForceFire 14:10, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
The games already have. It's called Aura Break in case you forgot, or simply chose not to read my explanation. Shiramu Kuromu (talk) 15:13, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, the ability is indeed called Aura Break, and yes, it does indeed only affect the Mortality Duo's abilities, and yes, the rest of your points all make some sense. But on the topic of "not reading" what someone said, that would be your own problem. Had you actually read Force Fire's response, you would notice he said that there has been no direct mention that they are a Trio, and that all we can do is assume. The ability existing is not direct confirmation. Schiffy (瀬藤健二) (Talk Contribs) 16:15,2/20/2014 (UTC)

Using Items

In Black, I was battling the Striaton Gym Leader, and it said "Leader Chili used THE Potion."

Now in Y, it says something along the lines of, "Champion Diantha used A Full Restore." Is this something minor they changed, or did they change "the" to "a" in B2/W2 (since this is just Black)? Lithos141 (talk) 22:56, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire

These games do not have "Version" in their titles, so please change the templates to something other than 2v2. Thanks! Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 16:20, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

New trivia

"Generation VI contains the core games with both the shortest and longest titles: X and Y have one letter each, whereas Alpha Sapphire has fourteen characters including spaces." This is only true for English names of the games, since for example SoulSilver in Italian is called Argento SoulSilver which exceeds the number of characters in Alpha Sapphire. Shepeedy (talk) 10:02, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but this is an English wiki. So we focus on English and Japanese names. Ataro (talk) 10:11, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Still, we could say "...the shortest and longest English titles." Even though we focus on English and Japanese, we do include "in other languages" on every page, so I don't think it's unreasonable to add just one word to clarify. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 15:26, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I only intended to express the need to clarify the "restriction" (as obvious as it may be) to English names. Shepeedy (talk) 17:42, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

"Undisclosed amount of time after BW"

It has been recently confirmed that XY take place at the same time as B2W2, so it would be two years after BW. Source: [1] Ensephylon (talk) 16:22, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Replying to hopefully get an admin to notice this. We have confirmation. --HoennMaster 08:40, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

719 Pokémon

This is completely incorrect. There are actually 721 or 722 Pokémon in the series. Tag365 (talk) 00:43, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

It's that way because they haven't officially/reliably confirmed. (the discussion) --Abcboy (talk) 00:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit request

There are a couple of redirected links on this page. Could someone fix them?

  • Generation VI#Hoenn: {{2v2|Omega Ruby|Alpha Sapphire}} -> {{pkmn|Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire}}
  • Generation VI#Trivia: {{pkmn|Alpha Sapphire}} -> [[Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire|Alpha Sapphire]] (or however you want to do it)

Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:14, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. --Pokemaster97 16:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


It should be noted that a retcon would have to be made, especially with the context of XY, for ORAS to be able to exist parrallel to XY as both it and Kanto take place at the same time before Sinnoh and Johto which is before the Unova saga. This is explicitly stated throughout all of the games and a retcon would have to be made to follow the history. Darre (talk) 19:40, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I am fairly sure ORAS will simply replace RSE in timeline. XY happens at the same as B2W2, which happens 2 years after BW, which happen unknown time after DPPt/HGSS, which happen unknown time after RSE/FRLG. I don't see the problem. I mean, Bill did invent Time Machine (at least in GSC), and there's no problem with trading between BW and B2W2, which both are in different time periods.Eridanus (talk) 22:13, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
We can't make a note because we don't know what they are going to do with the games in regard to the timeline. --HoennMaster 01:44, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Kalos thematic motif

Anyone have any material thought up for this? I just want to bring it to attention. To provide some brainstorming, beauty, bonds (expressed via your four friends as well as Mega Evolution), and mortality are among the themes.

Crunchdog29 (talk) 17:33, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

No Updated Art from Ken Sugimori for Remakes

Should it be mentioned that this is the first generation to receive remakes but not to receive updated art from Ken Sugimori for all the Pokémon introduced in the original games? When FRLG came out Gen I Pokémon we got new art, and when HGSS came out Gen II Pokémon got new art. Outside of maybe one or two Pokémon and not counting Megas, We've not gotten any official art to replace the original Gen III art. Yamitora1 (talk) 06:45, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it is really notable since Sugimori changed his art-style between Generations II and III which is most likely why they art for Gen I and II Pokémon was updated at the time of their remake release. --HoennMaster 08:38, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Ability to choose a non region-specific game language

The Gen VI games now allow the player to choose a game language before starting a new save file, unlike previous generations where the game language depends on the region of the cartridge. This fact is present in Pokémon X and Y ("playable in all seven of the languages...") but not Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. Would it be better to move this information to Generation VI instead? Chenzw (talk) 04:26, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Clarification Needed

In the alterations from Generation V section there is a line saying "The player can no longer register screens, such as Pokédex entries." What does this mean exactly? It is very vague in my opinion. --HoennMaster 02:08, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Feature registration. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:20, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

I need confirmation before adding this trivia.

Is this true? sumwun (talk) 14:08, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

It is not. No generation has a Pokémon with index number 000. However, if you hack the game it is possible to force that data to be loaded, which gives you a glitch Pokémon. There are just no easy glitches to force the game to access Pokémon index 000 in Gen VI. --SnorlaxMonster 14:10, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I changed the trivia. However, are you sure there's a 000 glitch Pokemon in Generation VI? If there was, it would be on Bulbapedia by now. I'm just not sure that there ISN'T. In other words, I need to talk to somebody who has datamined a Generation VI game. sumwun (talk) 21:43, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
From a programmer's perspective, I think it is a bit silly to note in trivia whether a particular generation/game does/does not have a glitch Pokémon. Glitch Pokemon do not "exist" in the strictest sense; they are results of illegal/invalid data access, most commonly due to specifying an index which goes beyond expected boundaries (eg. 000, >721). If a particular glitch Pokemon "does not exist" in a particular generation, it could be either due to improved error handling in the game code (for example, instead of returning a glitch Pokemon, newer games might detect invalid values and give you a Bad Egg instead), or because that the game will crash/freeze immediately instead of giving you a Pokemon. List of glitch Pokémon notes the "existence" (or rather, that it is viable to get one without the game crashing on you) of a #000 glitch Pokemon, by the way. Chenzw (talk) 02:25, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
So, if there's no 000 Pokemon in Generation VI, is my trivia true?sumwun (talk) 13:24, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
No, and I am not sure if you contradicted yourself earlier (I am understanding you as saying: no explicit #000, therefore no glitch Pokemon with #000). Building upon what has been mentioned above by myself and SnorlaxMonster, just like glitch Pokemon do not "exist" in the strictest sense, they also don't "not exist" either. Glitch Pokemon are a side-effect of programming oversight (or hacking/cheating); strictly speaking, no Pokemon game has a #000 Pokemon--it was not the intention of the game developers to make a #000 Pokemon available, so there is no data defined for all these glitch species. You can "see" some glitch Pokemon (without the game crashing/freezing) because data is being read from other locations in game memory, which happen to be legal values for Pokemon stats, so they appear to be valid Pokemon (to go into further detail, IDs 722 to 798XY/825ORAS contain Pokemon data pertaining to existing species' forms/mega evolutions, so that could be why such glitch Pokemon appear to be stable).
Anyway, List of glitch Pokémon states that you can actually find #000 glitch Pokemon, so in a sense, they "exist", and your trivia is false. Chenzw (talk) 15:08, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Why does it say that only three legendaries were introduced?

Generation VI introduced Xerneas, Yvetal, Zygarde, Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion. That's more than Generation I, so the trivia is wrong. I removed it, but somebody (should I point fingers?) reverted it. If the latter three aren't considered legendary, what's the definition of "legendary"? sumwun (talk) 21:47, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Diancie, Hoopa, and Volcanion are Mythical Pokémon, not Legendary Pokémon. See Legendary Pokémon and Mythical Pokémon for exact definitions. --Abcboy (talk) 21:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC)