Talk:Orange Islands

Image

The current image for this page is non-canon as it does not include the Sevii islands. is there a piture out there suitable? - unsigned comment from AlphApe (talk • contribs)

Your suggestion that the Sevii Islands are part of the Orange Archipelago is non-canon as the Orange Islands are never even alluded to in any game.

Also, please sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). 梅子^❄_❅ 22:14, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

But the Sevii Islands are in the anime, however --Constantine 22:40, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

While that may be true, the Orange Islands are not part of the game and the Sevii Islands are not part of the Orange Islands. That map is actually from a pre-Sevii book. —darklordtrom 05:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Island sorting

Islands

All the islands, in order of episode:

• Valencia Island (EP083)
• Tangelo Island (EP084)
• Mikan Island (EP085)
• Mandarin Island North (EP086)
• Sunburst Island (EP087)
• Pinkan Island (EP088)
• Unnamed Island (EP089)
• Kinnow Island (EP091)
• Unnamed Island (EP092)
• Navel Island (EP093)
• Grapefruit Islands (EP094)
• Moro Island (EP095)
• Golden Island (EP096)
• Murcott Island (EP097)
• Unnamed Island (EP098)
• Mandarin Island South (EP099 - EP102)
• Trovita Island (EP103)
• Fairchild Island (EP104)
• Shamouti Island (M02)
• Fire Island (M02)
• Lightning Island (M02)
• Ice Island (M02)
• Unnamed Island (PK04)
• Cleopatra Island (EP105)
• Ascorbia Island (EP106)
• Butwal Island (EP107)
• Kumquat Island (EP108)
• Rind Island (EP109)
• Unnamed Island (EP110)
• Pummelo Island (EP111, EP112)
• Tarroco Island (EP113)
• Hamlin Island (EP114)

I think the order would work better this way. You can see Ash and co.'s route here! -Abcboy (talk) 00:58, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Why Archipelago?

Even the main map uses Islands, and so does practically everything else. Why do we call it "Orange Archipelago" instead of "Orange Islands"? --Abcboy (talk) 02:08, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Taking a quick search around the internet seems to show that it was just to be formal. The template for locations does use "Orange Islands" at the moment. I would say that unless the anime or the manga, The Electric Tale of Pikachu call it the Orange Archipelago it would be alright to change it. Super goku (talk) 07:33, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

I support the name change since "Orange Islands" is more common. Sorry for butting in. --PokeAwesome94 (talk) 13:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I would not say that it is butting in since this is a public discussion. In any case, should we tag the article for potential moving or should we wait a bit more time for some more comments? --Super goku (talk) 06:14, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Either way is fine with me, if you feel like waiting for more comments you could maybe wait until October 27th. That way a month will have passed and most people who want to have a say in this will have gotten a fair chance. --PokeAwesome94 (talk) 09:53, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Except Orange Archipelago is the name given to the "region" in the actual anime canon. I don't recall which episode exactly, but likely when Oak assigns Ash to travel there to get the GS Ball. The area could be bigger than just the islands. (Think of it like Oceania and the Pacific Islands.) That's just my theory any way. This isn't a name we just made up, it was a name used in the show. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 10:08, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

True, but the same area/region is given the name of Orange Islands in the subtitle of the second season - Pokémon: Adventures in the Orange Islands. It can potentially be said that the name was changed when the subtitle was added to the season. (The GS Ball plot began in EP081 according to the same article.) - unsigned comment from Super goku (talk • contribs)

Jo the Marten, I don't think that your personal speculations should have any impact on this decision. It has, as far as I know, never been said that the region is bigger than the islands and there will probably never be any confirmation to that since Orange Islands was a filler season that will probably never be visited again. --PokeAwesome94 (talk) 10:04, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Regardless, it is still called the Orange Archipelago, and I see no reason why it needs to be changed. Not to mention our anime head, Kenji-girl has already moved this article from Orange Islands before in the past. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 11:35, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Official Orange Islands, Sevii Islands and New Island map

I found this official map with the Sevii Islands, New Island and the Orange Islands. It's part of File:RegionsMoviesMap.jpg, which is an anime map of all the movie locations up to the 10th movie.

I don't have the access to it to Bulbagarden Archives and I also lack the knowledge to add it to the Orange Archipelago article and I wonder if someone who reads this could do it for me.

Here's the map: [1] --PokeAwesome94 (talk) 21:48, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

If needed I can crop it so that it only shows The Orange Islands. --PokeAwesome94 (talk) 21:50, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Crop it out, save it on an online image hosting website, and ask an admin to upload. How are you going to remove the labels? --Abcboy (talk) 21:54, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's possible to remove the labels and make it look good. If the labels would just have overlaped the ocean I could have tried cloning nearby pixels, but I can't foresee and redraw the design of the islands behind the labels. Here's the cropped version. If anyone uploads this, please tell me afterwards, so that I can remove it from Google Drive. If anyone thinks that they can fix the map better than I did, feel free to try. --PokeAwesome94 (talk) 13:07, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Can't see it... gives 403. Is it public? --Abcboy (talk) 20:33, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

It's public, but it seems that the links that only display images expire after a while on Google Drive. I'll have to link to the directory page. I've made two versions of the image use whichever you find more fitting: 1 & 2 --PokeAwesome94 (talk) 18:23, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Possible relation to Sun and Moon

I can't help but notice that Alola, the region featured in the newest core series games, Sun and Moon, seems to have a lot of similarities to the Orange Islands/Archipelago. Aside from the obvious fact that they're both islands, they also both have alternate color variants of previous regions' pokemon, and instead of Gym battles they feature "challenges" where the trainer and their Pokemon have to do something other than simply battling a gym leader. I can't help but wonder if these games were, at least in part, somewhat inspired by the Orange Archipelago, perhaps as a 20th anniversary nod to the many kids who watched that iteration of the show and wondered why there was never a game that took place in that region. If anyone could find any references about this and add it to the article I would be grateful. Purplepikachu1998 (talk) 08:04, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Potential origin

Is it possible the Orange Islands are based on either the entirety of the Nanpō Islands, an archipelago located south of the Kanto region which does somewhat resemble the Orange Islands, with the top two islands (Izu Islands and Bonin Islands) also being the basis for the Sevii Islands, or the at least the Volcano Islands, located south the aforementioned two islands, just like how the Orange Islands are south of the Sevii Islands? Iml908 (talk) 03:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Very possible, given that the Orenjishima (Orange Islands) seem to originally been based on the same locations as the Nanashima (Sevii Islands), per the map Oak looks at in M2. In either case, their location as a massive and round-shaped archipelago per the maps in this article are unrelated to any real world Japanese island chain. They're round because they're shaped like an Orange, as part of the nominal joke and as appeared in an artbook shortly after. The map from Oak's PC screen is much more clearly designed after the Nanpōshima, and should be taken as canon but for some reason editors of this wiki prefer artbook designs to what appeared in the context of the actual anime on screen. :_: Satosuke (talk) 21:37, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Archipelago

I really don't see any good reason to leave this article titled "Orange Archipelago". While both "Orange Archipelago" and "Orange Islands" are used in the Pokémon anime to refer to the region, "Orange Islands" is clearly the primary term. The term "Orange Archipelago" is used a total of three times in the anime: Twice in Pallet Party Panic and once in The Lost Lapras. Conversely, "Orange Islands" is used 20 times throughout anime episodes and 6 times in The Power of One.

Outside of episode scripts, "Orange Islands" is still the most common term. Season 2 of the anime is named "Pokémon: Adventures in the Orange Islands" (or originally "Pokémon: Orange Island Adventures" in the US). The Pokémon.com page for Season 2, as well as all individual episode pages that name the region, refer to the region as the "Orange Islands". The map from Extreme Pokémon labels the region "Orange Islands". There is an Australian DVD boxset named Pokémon Kanto and Orange Islands Collection because it features episodes from Kanto and this region. Conversely, I have not found any usages of "Orange Archipelago" outside of those three usages in dialogue. --SnorlaxMonster 10:17, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with the move. IIRC, a move has been discussed in the past, but there's always a chance to try to start the process again. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:41, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

There's a section above in which several users asked why this page was at "Orange Archipelago" instead of "Orange Islands". The argument in that discussion was that "Orange Archipelago" is the term used in the anime to refer to the region as a whole—based on the analysis I provided, I don't believe that is the case; "Orange Archipelago" is the only term used in Pallet Party Panic (the first episode of the arc), but subsequent episodes consistently use "Orange Islands" instead. This article was moved to "Orange Archipelago" in 2009 claiming that the term "Multiple times by Tracey and Prof Oak", but from reviewing the closed captions, it appears to have been used once each by Oak and Tracey (and once by the narrator). --SnorlaxMonster 07:31, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I would support moving it to "Orange Islands". --Daniel Carrero (talk) 07:38, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

The leading sentence would make more sense if it was the other way around ("Orange Island (jp: Orange Islands), also known as Orange Archipelago"). If it is more commonly known by something else, why have it at the other title? Support. Nescientist (talk) 15:43, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Is there any indication in its usage if Orange Archipelago is the general area and Orange Islands is the "governmental" name of the region, in the way that the Philipine Archipleago is the area of land that constitutes the country of the Philipines? glik^glak 14:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Not to my knowledge. The only official usages of the term were from episodes before the archipelago was even fully established. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 14:55, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

According to SnorlaxMonster's research, "Islands" has more usage than "Archipelago", so moving makes sense. Support. → PikaTepig999 18:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Officially casting my support vote as well. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Support per the above discussion. Landfish7 05:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)