Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

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• Archive 1 (8 May 2009 - 25 June 2009)

Question about the talk page thing notice at the top

Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that talk pages are for discussing the article and its content, not its subject? A lot of what happens on talk pages is discussing content, such as whether or not to delete or add something, something to change, etc. --エルレイド 05:52, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

You didn't see anything.... *waves hands mysteriously* — THE TROM — 06:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

lol Okay. *mysteriously loses memory of the incorrect wording* What was I complaining about again? --エルレイド 06:02, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Date announced

See this! It's on September 12. ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 06:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree! *celebrates* Now, when's it coming out in America...? --エルレイド 06:54, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

• It also should be noted that even if Google's translation had the right month the problem is it was too early before the release date was announced. -Tyler53841 14:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The fact that Google's (mis)translation had the right month was a coincidence, because the original Japanese text only said "fall 2009." --Evice 20:55, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Due to this not being added... Once template gets modified, add the following instead of "Story on Bulbanews"

{{bulbanews|game}}--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11 was here at 13:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Pedometer

Does anyone know if this is an actual pedometer that measures steps you, the human behind the DS, take, or if it's like the pedometer poketch app? It could easily be either, so maybe I'm not alone in thinking it should be given that detail in the article... Or maybe I'm just dumb. :P Mageslayer 00:43, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

That last thing. It's a regular pedometer, due to each step you take, the monster deposited gains an EXP point.--Mew* a.k.a. Prmatt11 was here at 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Two edit requests an admin never responded to

I put these on the talk page previously (they're archived now), and an admin never responded:

Is it worth mentioning that the New Pokédex (Johto Pokédex) has its own numbering system this time? The numbers weren't displayed in Gen II. --Evice 03:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

[The Wikipedia remake article link in the opening paragraph] currently links here; it should instead link here, as the latter link discusses the type of remake HeartGold and SoulSilver are while the former discusses remakes in general, including unrelated types of remakes such as movie remakes. --Evice 02:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC) [An admin took care of this. --Evice 00:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)]

Can those be added? --Evice 20:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

1. We don;'t know that for sure, it could be the same as the old Johto Dex.
2. I'm no admin, So I can't help on that......--ForceFire 22:56, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

When I said the Johto Pokédex has its own numbering system, I meant that the numbers were displayed. The order's the same from what has been seen (the Pokémon shown have numbers that match up with the Johto numbers on their Bulbapedia pages), it just has numbering this time. In the original games, the New Pokédex didn't display numbers on the list screen, and when you viewed a Pokémon's data, it used the National numbering. --Evice 23:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I think it's too early to say either way. We don't know for sure that the Johto Dex in HGSS will be the same as it was in Generation II. I sorta doubt Kanto Starters and Legendaries will be put in it, unless there's a way to get them in HGSS..Purimpopoie 00:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

They were in the original without being available in GS. --エルレイド 00:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The order and the Pokémon present are irrelevant for what I want to be added. The point of the edit I want to be made is that numbers are displayed on the Johto Pokédex's list in HGSS, unlike in GSC in which it didn't. The point is to add a change that is confirmed to have been made, and that is numbering in the Johto Pokédex's list, with those numbers also being used in the entries, rather than using the National numbering in the Pokémon pages and no numbering at all in the list. Originally numbers were only displayed in the list if the Old Pokédex mode (i.e. Gen II's equivalent of the National Pokédex) was used, and the numbers shown in the screenshots of HGSS's Pokédex are not the National numbering. --Evice 00:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead and typed out a suggested edit to the Pokédex changes listed:

* Much like Kanto's was for its remakes, Johto's Pokédex has been redesigned; however, just the same, it retains the same [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Pokédex order]] referred to as the "New Pokédex" in [[Generation II]]. However, unlike in Generation II, the numbers used are displayed in the listing and the entries (originally the listing did not display numbering, while the entries displayed the [[National Pokédex]]'s numbering when viewed).- unsigned comment from Evice (talk • contribs)

Grammar fix

"These games' will be released in Japan nearly one year after the Japanese release of Pokémon Platinum."

Remove the apostrophe from "games'". --Posted by Pikamander2 (Talk) at 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Arceus Event

Source

If you trade Arceus over to Heart Gold & Soul Silver and take it with you to a specific, currently unknown location, you will meet up with Champion Cynthia. She will explain that Arceus has the ability to create newborn Pokémon. You have the option of choosing between the three dragons, Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina, all level 1. You must choose wisely, however, as you may keep only one.

050294 01:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

We already have this image. Way to look around the Archives before uploading anything. Seriously, good job. ^Maverick_Nate 03:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I was just trying to help. Besides, the information hasn't even been uploaded to this article, so the additional, HELPFUL information towards this future game isn't a bad thing, and the image was a minor fault on my part. Way to be an ass. -- 050294 20:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Way to lose your cool. It's done now. — THE TROM — 00:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Might I remind everyone that this is for discussing the article. Asking for something to be added is OK. Insulting each other, not so much. --((Marton imos)) 01:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Can someone please add the new information from high quality trailer?

The official HG/SS website updated with a higher quality video as many of us already know. Serebii.net just updated with some pictures from the trailer. It shows Morty in the Ecrutek city Gym which appeared to have received a redesign. It also shows an unknown Gym puzzle with lava which many speculate to be the Blackthorn Gym. The trailer also shows that Pokemon following you on the field can use their HM moves to get rid of obstacles. Of many things, Serebii shows a picture of Tyranitar using rock smash in Cainwood City, and some pictures of Gold and Totodile and Soul and Chikorita walking around with Totodile around Violet city and Ecrutek city, and a battle with Typhlosion and Meganium versus Feraligatr and Tyranitar. Tyranitar, Feraligatr, and Mareep sport new front sprites which may or may not be beta. --Dialgafan1 16:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

"Burned" Tower

Could someone please change the link in the Gallery section to Brass Tower, since that's what it's English name is. Dolphins_are_awesome (and Vulpix are too)! 21:48, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

That was what it was called before the fire. It was called the Burned Tower in G/S/C. --エルレイド 21:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention that there were no mentions of the name "Brass Tower" in Gold/Silver, only in Crystal...--Shiningpikablu252 21:52, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Burned Tower is Brass Tower, but in the games you can't visit it before it's burned. The Brass Tower name is the same as if, in PMTTYD you called Rogueport the ancient city that the demon destroyed. TTEchidna 22:00, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Put this image in please

I found photos of the Red Gyarados from HG/SS.
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All I need to do now is to upload it here. Giratina Joe - Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT 05:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Those are terrible quality. We don't put bad quality pics up...We will wait for clearer pics.--^Psychic_Rider^☮ 05:38, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. But what it counts is that I found the images. Giratina Joe - Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT 05:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it kinda does...All the pics on the page are not bad quality...--^Psychic_Rider^☮ 05:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

The Red Gyarados alone is of mediocre quality, sure. But the other one? That's... ew. TTEchidna 05:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

We can wait for high-quality scans or screenshots. --((Marton imos)) 06:37, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I got a better image of it. It's here:

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Giratina Joe - Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT 02:45, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

pokethlon

why does pokethlon doesn't have any page at all and no one ever put here in this page

Pokéthlon--ForceFire 10:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Hello? Any admins here? Echo!

Change "Story on Bulbanews" to {{bulbanews|game}}- unsigned comment from Immewnity (talk • contribs)

I'm not an Administrator, but you should sign your comments.--Midnight Blue 05:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

*coughs* This was done a while ago... I just didn't bother to leave a message on the talk page about it. —darklordtrom 11:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Is this trivia?

That HGSS release date is on the 12th and the original gold and silver date was the 21st. In Japan.--Pokéboy93 00:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Not realy. ŚĥîΠŶPî₭₳ĉĥŭ 02:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely not. GS came out 11/21/99, HGSS come out on 9/12/09. There's not even trivia for their release compared with the release of FRLG, since neither is consistent with regards to the anniversary, period, let alone to the tenth anniversary. TTEchidna 02:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Just wondering.

Is the intro show by Pokébeach official. If it is, then in the trivia section should it be mention unlike how FRLG had a remade intro, that HGSS has a new intro. Except the title screen.--Pokéboy93 00:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

ummmmmm....just a quick question.

does that N/A on the release dates mean it won't be coming out in other countries?--Darknesslover5000 19:58, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

• headdesk* --Maxim 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

No...it means the released date is either not known or not confirmed.--^☆Tavisource 19:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks that's a load off my mind.--Darknesslover5000 23:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Imagine how fans around the world would react if they didn't release HGSS outside of Japan. --エルレイド 00:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

they would be furious.--Darknesslover5000 00:43, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

They would all die from shock.--Pokéboy93 00:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, please stop you guys are going off topic take it somewhere else. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 00:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

srry--Darknesslover5000 00:47, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

sorry too--Pokéboy93 01:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

All 493 Pokemon Follow The Player?

I noticed that the article said that all Pokemon follow the player, but so far I haven't noticed any screenshot that showed more than Pokemon from Gen 1 and 2 doing so. What's the source on that ones from Gen3 and 4 do so as well? Plasma 19:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

There are pics of Arceus and Kecleon following the characters, The pic of Kecleon is really bad though...--^Psychic_Rider^☮ 19:08, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the Keckleon one is Larvitar. There's a clean version on the Walking Pokémon page. --エルレイド 19:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Huh...Maybe it's a different one...Anyways, Arceus is able to follow the player, so it would make sense for a Gen III Poke to follow as well...--^Psychic_Rider^☮ 19:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, the Kecleon thing was just an error on Serebii's part that became widespread, like the incorrect PokéWalker name "PokéWalk" (which he did recently correct, thankfully). Capsule Computer 19:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

There probably aren't any screenshots of pokemon other then Gen 1 and 2 because it's a remake of the Gen 2 games, which means most likely no pokemon of later gens until the player beats the elite 4 (unless they include the new evolutions). I don't know about a source, but I can't imagine them making sprites for all the gen 1 and 2 pokemon and then just leaving out the later gens. [[Derian]] 12:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Magnet Train

In the article Magnet Train, there's pic of the train in HG/SS, but it isn't here on the HG/SS page. Maybe an administrator can put it up in the gallery. Timmy Tim 06:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Good idea, but we'll be fine. We don't need every single image on this particular page. As long as it's somewhere on the pedia, we're happy. —darklordtrom 09:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Pokédex Numbers Aren't the Same

According to Serebii.net, released info from the PokéFiesta event in Japan disprove the fact that the Pokédex numbers are the same for the New Pokédex in HGSS:

Growlithe is #129 as opposed to #127, Arcanine is #130 as opposed to #128, and Lapras is #224 as opposed to #219. Professorsamueloak 16:43, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

He's right, check Serebii and see for yourself. The numbers of those Pokemon are later in the Dex order because they probably added all the evolutions that Generation II Pokemon received in later generations such as Weavile, Honchkrow, Mismagius, and Togekiss. --Dialgafan1 20:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Its' in. —darklordtrom 20:35, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Now that that's done, can soemone fix the fourth bullet point under Aesthetic Changes and change the last part of the sentence to this: "however, it does not retain the same Pokedex order as the original Generation II games unlike how Firered and Leafgreen retained the same Pokedex order as the original Red and Green." or something to that effect. --Dialgafan1 21:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Done also. Didn't see that. —darklordtrom 21:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

You know, Serebii's not the ONLY place to get this news. We were discussing all this on the forums yesterday. --((Marton imos)) 21:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

When I saw what was happening I felt like the reason for the changes was to remove some of the previous Pokémon that aren't needed like the Kanto starters, Legendaries, etc. But as I said on that pages' talk page that there should be no changes until the entire change within the Johto Pokédex is confirmed. Also while I am happy the page has been updated with that change I am unsure the part of the inclusion of Generation IV Pokémon bit is correct. But hey the truth on what will be changed will come out eventually. -Tyler53841 22:50, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Seeing as how they wouldn't restrict getting a Razor Fang or Claw into or even within HGSS, just like you can get Fluffy Tails into Gen IV games by migrating, and also remembering that we have the real-time function, Pokémon like Gliscor and Weavile will be available. Just like Electivire and Magmortar, and the ones that evolve by stones. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Forum for discusion. No more here please. —darklordtrom 02:37, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Kanto Pokemon Exclusions

Is there any evidence for that? --Maxim 07:36, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Well the starters Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle as well as the fossil Pokémon and Legendaries originally could not be found in Johto during Generation II and could only be transferred with the Time Machine and from what I can notice that these Pokémon, especially the starters and Legendaries would be the most likely Pokémon to exclude first. But once the official numbers have been confirmed for the new Johto Dex then well see if any others are excluded. -Tyler53841 08:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

But is there any reason to think that they'll be excluded from Pokedex (not counting assumptions). I think the mention about the assumed exclusions should be deleted from the article. Especially that some people have recently started using Bulbapedia as almost official source, believing in its every word... --Maxim 08:24, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you also noticed on List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number only those Pokémon I mentioned here are the only ones not included there. But anyway the main reason why those 19 would be excluded from the Pokédex is they are rare Pokémon that are never used in another Pokedex in the franchise's game history starting with Gen III, especially if the Hoenn and Sinnoh Regional Dexs are taken into account. I would also suggest that you take this to a forum topic because it is well on it's way to becoming one and I will not post again. -Tyler53841 16:04, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Of course. Bringing the other article as an evidence for your claim! How genius! And I don't see how it's "becoming a forum topic". I'm talking about a passage IN THIS ARTICLE. If it wasn't mentioned in the article, I wouldn't put that up here. --Maxim 16:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

That is not what I meant the last part of my last post was my response I am not using that article as an official source what I meant about how rare Pokémon not being used in another Pokédex is true. What's more unbelieveable to me is mentioning the new evolutions forms from Generation IV that of course is something I don't believe is going to happen. -Tyler53841 16:18, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Three things:

-Keep to the KANTO EXCLUSIVES. You're starting to get into the last conversation right above this when you talk about the new evolutions, Tyler.

-It isn't a forum conversation. Yet. If a fight starts, then it would be best if it was moved there so that none of us have to see it.

-It's a remake. Saying it won't have Kanto exclusive Pokémon is like saying that there won't be any Johto exclusive Pokémon. And yeah, it could be said that Kanto won't have them because it was an add-on to the main storyline, but remember. Kanto was about a third to half of the whole game, time-wise. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:11, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Apricorns

Yeah, would anyone mind adding that Apricorns are making a return to the Gameplay changes, along with the info that they can be watered now? I mean, that sounds like something that should be up there, especially since their respective Pokéballs don't exist in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum. Dark Boye 01:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Mewtwo

If you go to Filb.de you can see a repeat of the HGSS part of Pokemon Sunday, now I don't understand Japanese, so I'm not sure what she said, but she held up this picture of every legendary available in HGSS, and Mewtwo was included and she read them out, and as she said Mewtwo there was a gasp of shock. Can I add in that Mewtwo is in HGSS? Max King 19:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone over forums told me that Mt. Quena would be introduced into HG/SS, and that he would be obtainable there, but there is no evidence to support this whatsoever and this could be entirely rumour-based at the moment. However, pokébeach.com says: "As hinted in the box showing a battle for the 2010 World Championship's video game tournament, Pokemon Sunday yesterday confirmed that Legendary Pokemon will be allowed in the tournament: Mewtwo, Lugia, Ho-Oh, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Dialga, Palkia and Giratina can be on your team. One of the hosts on Pokemon Sunday stated that he has always had a Kyogre but was never able to use it, which means he caught it in Sapphire. If so, Pokemon Sunday may be implying that players can use the above legendaries from any of your games at next year's tournament, not just the Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Dialga, etc. caught in HeartGold and SoulSilver."

So, from that I think it'd be too early to confirm he is obtainable in the game, though some might suggest that this hints towards it. Antmoney 02:38, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Gallery Captions

Can somebody PLEASE change the "Oh Soul I've been waiting for you" to "Oh GOLD, I've been waiting for you" as it is clearly Gold in the screenshot and not Soul, its been annoying me for ages. Ripp 15:20 11th August 2009

It's supposed to say that. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 14:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, lol. I presume Soul enters after he says that then... or something. Ripp 16:02 11th August 2009

Either it's wrong and somebody needs to change it, or the player character at that time was Soul and Gold was talking to her. R.A. Hunter Blade 15:25, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, Leaf was one of Red's optional names in Leaf Green, so I'm pretty sure that Soul will be one of Gold's optional names from Soul Silver and that is from Soul Silver. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 15:28, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

DO NOT CHANGE IT. His name is Soul in the game, or at least in that screenshot. It says "Utsugi: A Souru-kun kitekureno matte tan dayo!" So his name is Soul (Souru) in that screenshot, though his name is Gold in the original game. It'd be a mistranslation to call him Gold. CherryParanoia 20:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Well only admins can change it. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 20:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Hope admins don't change it incorrectly. xD CherryParanoia 22:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

update

the oficial page make an update--kyokencl 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

HGSS US announment

Pokemon.com has announced HGSS for the US!Evandeck 18:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It has been announced for Spring 2010 in the US and Europe. Additionally, here are the logos that I pulled off the site. –MasterKenobi 19:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Could some1 add the release date for HGSS in the N. America section? And add the logos as well? _ShinyPika 20:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Make that a png and transparentify it, then upload to Archives. We'll keep the Japanese boxart up until we get English ones, but this is good. TTEchidna 23:28, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the stupid question, but when exactly is Spring 2010 (GT4GTR 12:59, 15 August 2009 (UTC))

Nevermind, i had a mental blank. It's confusing living in the southern hemisphere trying to figure out when spring is in the North, lol.

What are the chances it will be out in Australia before 2011? (GT4GTR 13:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC))

Around March, April, May, and early June in the US next year Turtwig A Contributions Talk 13:01, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

they are high Turtwig A Contributions Talk 13:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, i've always thought they're terrible releasing the games here, but recently they haven't been too bad. The anime on the other hand... Battle Dimension's only just started airing here. it's a disgrace. I'm looking forward to this game. (GT4GTR 13:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC))

It'll probably be released on the same year as the American release, just at a different date (possibly july or August)--ForceFire 13:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

@TTEchidna: Here are the logos, I split them into two pictures:

I would put the logos on the page myself but I don't know how :( --Chuck67322 06:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Centers have a different design...

The Pokémon centers have a different design...I watch it in the promo-video of HeartGold and SoulSilver. Yeah. That's what i watched. The Pokémon centers have non-authomatic upstairs. Thanks for hear the higlight --Pokénav. Is a glitch master! 18:12, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that too. It's like what they did to the Kanto Centers. But are you sure that there is no non-authomatic upstairs?--User:Spritemaster

Yes, there are like the Volkner's gym Upstairs, but the basement upstairs will not be... I'm not sure, but yeah, it have a different design. --Pokénav. Is a glitch master! 00:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Aussie release

Where it has the predicted release dates, Australia says "N/A". Does this mean the date is unkown, or it will not be released?
*Please say "date unknown"* Silver Eevee _talk? ^contribs! 07:40, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

It is not released yet, It hasn't even been released in Japan yet, (it will in a week or so).--ForceFire 07:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

So it will be released in Australia eventually? Silver Eevee _talk? ^contribs! 07:50, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes.--ForceFire 07:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Normally when a game is released in more then one location at different times, and unknown release date is normally listed as N/A. just give it a few weeks or months and it will turn up. Darkcloud1111 07:55, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

US Release

According to Gamestop, US release is April 1, 2010. http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75774 and http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75770 --HoennMaster 02:13, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I would wait for a second source and a official source.--Midnight Blue 02:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Of course, games dates are always tentative. :) Although I think this one might be moved up since Platinum was released the same weekend last year, and then the US release was in March. Not only that....4/1/10 is a Thursday... --HoennMaster 02:20, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Anyone realize the significance of April 1? TTEchidna 03:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

April fools day? Darkcloud1111 03:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Besides,I wanted to get a game that came out Monday,But Gamestop said it was the next day.Besides If they mught go iin sync with Japan realesse on the 12 and platinum the 13 of the previous year.I hope the relesse it the March 21st,The day before the 1 year aniversity of Platinum.For now Let`s just wait.The AURA Wolf 12:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, at the very least, they're taking pre-orders in the U.S. now. Still, we should probably keep the U.S. release as "Spring 2010" until we get a date from an official source. Link 486 10:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

GameStop puts placeholder dates for games whose specific release dates aren't known. For example, most of the games announced at E3 2009 were given a placeholder date of January 1, 2010. --Evice 00:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Apricorn Balls

Apperently apricorn balls cannot be transfered to other Gen IV games but what do you think happens to Pokémon caught in a apricorn ball gets traded to D/P/Pt? Manaphy1 14:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I think there was something about the apricorn balls data being in d/p a while ago Ultamate_Charizard 19:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Where is the evidence Apricorns will be used to make pokeballs in this game? Serebii had info that they were being used to make something similar to pokeblocks. Is there any evidence they'll make pokeballs too (like int he original game)? CherryParanoia 19:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

If Apricorns do become pokeblock ingredients, then there'll probably another way to get the Poké Balls that they make.--Dark ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 19:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Or, you know, they have two uses. You could use your Enigma Berry as Poffin fuel or you could use it to recover when hit by super-effective damage... Why would the damn things be in if they didn't do what they originally did. That's like putting the S.S. Anne in FRLG and saying "OH NO CUT IS IN PEW PEW PEWTER CITY". TTEchidna 04:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Game Freak tends to use leftover data for stuff in future games, such as how locations new to Platinum appear as "Distant land" in Diamond and Pearl. Similar data will probably make Pokémon caught in a Gen II ball display as being caught in something else (probably a standard Poké Ball), while the balls themselves can't be traded to DPP (similar to how the Griseous Orb can't be traded from Platinum to Diamond and Pearl). Game Freak wouldn't put this stuff in the game if a workaround weren't present in previous games. --Evice 00:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I doubt they'll make pokeballs this time around, because it'd be hard to make a work around, and plus there's already so many new pokeballs, we don't really NEED the Kurt exclusive ones. Unless there's data in DPPt already with those pokeballs, i highly doubt they'll be in this game... CherryParanoia 18:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Um. It's already confirmed (via CoroCoro scans) that the Apricorn balls are in HGSS. What is not is that whether they can be traded into DPPt. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 18:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

We'll Just Have To Wait Unitl The Games Come Out Next Week! Manaphy1 18:39, 2 September 2009

Yeah... in Japan.Link 486 10:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

While it also depends on what information is acquired before the U.S. release occurs I expect a few things that Nintendo would put in to deal with this issue between the versions and if so It would be better posted on the Pokéball page than on this page since it would likely be a minor tidbit. -Tyler53841 00:22, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Sprites

Gym Leader sprite animations are animated. Check the video on pe2k. ^ht14 02:57, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I, um, would hope the animations are animated. I'll chuck it in the article though. —darklordtrom 05:01, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Would this be a little trivia?

That HGSS are being released on the same day as Yellow in Japan?--Midnight Blue 22:11, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I just put it in. Thanks. —darklordtrom 07:09, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Katone

Could someone change all the links on this page from Soul (game) to Kotone (game), as thats her offical name? _ShinyPika 02:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Nobody has a bot to do it? _Blake ^Talk·Edits 13:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Did you notice that it has already been changed on this page. -Tyler53841 16:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The article is protected Tyler. Nothing was changed before ShinyPikachu asked. R.A. Hunter Blade 16:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I was just responding to Blake, not to ShinyPikachu's message. If it were the other way around I would had posted around ShinyPikachu. -Tyler53841 19:20, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah. Gotcha. I didn't realize Blake posted after TTE changed the names. I didn't get anything saying that the page itself was changed, so I thought you were talking to ShinyPikachu. R.A. Hunter Blade 00:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Messed up link

Apricorn case links here, it should instead link here. Can someone fix this please? Dolphins are awesome (and Vulpix are too) 13:41, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I think it is prefered to use the redirected page links then to link to the main list. It works the same, but the first one is less messy. _Blake ^Talk·Edits 13:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Battle picture

The pictures shown on the article in the Gallery section are 100% genuine, right? I just noticed that the PokeBall icons that indicate how many Pokemon you have at the beginning of a battle are upside down in the picture captioned "Gold vs. Silver. "The passer-by boy challenged you to a battle!" " Why are the PokeBalls upside down? Bttsstewart 23:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Becuase the balls rotate in-game and the pictures aren't animated. _ShinyPika 23:34, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

But it's confirmed that that image is beta anyways, since Silver's sprite changed drastically. - unsigned comment from Ryuutakeshi (talk • contribs)

I know the pokeballs spin before a battle, but I thought that happened BEFORE the text appeared. But I just checked and they appear as the text appeared. The picture shows is correct so never mind.Bttsstewart 01:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

logo

it looks like the soulsilver logo is shaped like a magatama, which is supposed to represent human spirit. vik0z0z 20:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Serebii and 2ch.

Of the the 2ch info, the only things that have really stuck out aare the fact the opp-gender rival always uses Marill and the Rocket executive. Serebii's info on the Kanto and Hoenn starters being available as well as every legendary in the first three generations aside from the Regi's seems like it needs more sources. Aura-Knight 12:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

That's what I figured last night since this is so sudden and I will keep an eye out on videos but I don't expect these new details to be added to this page for awhile. -Tyler53841 16:22, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Which would be really weird as the "official" release of the games is in just 3 days. Pokémon Lover King Mario 19:01, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that earlier today. The only way we will be able to know will be in a couple of days. Is anyone getting the Japanese release? Solar Dragon 19:04, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

a lot of people around here are getting the Jap release, dont you worry. -- MAGNEDETH 19:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Cool. In two days, we shall know for sure then. Solar Dragon 19:51, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Unnecessary Information in the article

This is what I read under the "Aesthetic Changes" in the article:

"The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the starter Pokémon."

No offense, but that's pretty useless and unnecessary to say because the DS's 3D capabilities are utilized through out the ENTIRE GAME, excluding battles.

Believe it or not, the 4th Gen graphics engine is fully 3D. Want proof? This is what happens when you hack the camera angle (yes, there's a camera angle):

So basically, it's unnecessary to say that the DS's 3D capabilities are used when selecting the starter Pokemon, simply because the entire game is running under a 3D engine.Chaos Rush 22:42, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Great point, but lets see what others thing about it. I agree with you, but someone will say that's not normal gameplay.--Midnight Blue 22:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree too. How is this not normal gameplay, btw? The game is still rendered like this, even if it isn't zoomed in/diff angle. ZestyCactus 22:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

You're missing the point of that. In D/P, the 3D engine was simply for environment. Platinum it used it even more for the Distortion World. They never used the spin-around-and-wobble-when-stopping 3D capabilities when choosing the starter. All they did for Platinum was have the briefcase there and the Poké Balls hop when chosen. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

That shouldn't matter. It's not any special effects, all of those fancy camera angle stuff in the Distortion World was already programmed into the 3D engine. Platinum's graphic engine is exactly the same as Diamond/Pearl's, the only differences being the changed tiles. The briefcase in D/P/Pt is a fully programed character model, they just spent a little more time with model rendering in HG/SS.Chaos Rush 23:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

It's still different. If you hadn't realized, we mention things like that. From Platinum:

• When entering new areas, the location "labels" on the top-left corner have been redesigned, much like they were between Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald.
• All gyms now only have Pokémon of their type specialty.
• When entering new areas, the location "labels" on the top-left corner have been redesigned, much like they were between Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire and Pokémon Emerald.
• Pikachu and Pachirisu are now featured when entering Wi-Fi.

Non of those matter much, but we still mention them. Those are the most minor of the changes from DP to Platinum. R.A. Hunter Blade 23:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but none of those are related to the graphics engine. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to say something like, "When selecting your starter Pokémon, the game shows a detailed close up of the machine with fully animated models" or something. Instead of saying something that could apply for the entire game. Chaos Rush 23:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

"When selecting stater Pokémon, the game fully utilizes the 3D graphics engine." would work. I still think the original sentence is fine though. "The DS's 3D capabilities are utilized in selecting the starter Pokémon." states that the 3D engine is used, and indicates that it wasn't before. That should be perfectly fine, but I guess you think not. R.A. Hunter Blade 00:01, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Well of course it wasn't before, the Gameboy Color was 8-bit :/. Since this game is a remake, not a 3rd version type thing, it would make sense to say something like, "The Johto and Kanto regions are now fully rendered in 3D thanks to the graphics engine that Diamond & Pearl introduced," because HG/SS is not 2D. Not only is the starter selection 3D, but the entire game is 3D. Chaos Rush 00:05, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that makes sense. I was thinking along the lines of a third version game, not a remake. Alright. Yes, I agree that it should be changed. "This game utilizes the DS's 3D graphics engine." would work fine. R.A. Hunter Blade 00:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Minor mistake you made. The DS does not have it's own 3D engine. Basically, the DS has 3D capabilities, and so Diamond & Pearl's graphics engine uses advantage of that. Notice how Super Mario 64 DS and Gen IV Pokemon games are both 3D, yet feature entirely different graphics. Chaos Rush 00:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

The DS cartridge doesn't have the capabilites of holding all of the graphics. The point of the cartridge, like CD Roms for a computer, is to hold all of the coding that will create the graphics when the coding is used by the machine, in this case the DS. That's why something has to be "capable" of having those graphics, or the program wouldn't work right, like when an old computer tries to use new software that isn't compatible with the old system. R.A. Hunter Blade 00:34, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Future Tag !!!

Hey guys, please remove the tag "his article is about an expected future event." Game is now released. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 15:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

It's released at midnight? Kanjo 15:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I'm pretty sure the 12th is tomorrow. Then again what time is it in japan right now? [[Derian]] 16:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Currently it's gone midnight on the 12th September 2009 in Japan. The counter was counting to midnight on the 11/12th in Japan And also on the subject of the tag, do we have a recently released tag?Zsaberslash 16:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Would it be worth having a tag to denote a non-English based territory release? Considering the primary audience of this wiki is Western based would it not be prudent to wait for it to have the Recently Released tag applied when it reached the US or Europe? Ukgamer66 19:28, 11 September 2009 (GMT)

It's lunch time on the 12th here in Australia. That doesn't mean it's out yet though. (GT4GTR 01:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC))

Music Changer

Seems noteworthy to me, but I've just created an account and seem to lack editing permissions to add this. HGSS have a music changer that reverts the in-game music from the remade tracks to those the the various games original releases as documented in the following video; [6] Pretty cool and new change to the games

Day of; Admins, Please Unlock

The games are out, we should be allowed to edit this page now...Satosuke 20:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

the page will unlock itself when the offical date (9-12-09) comes around. we've waited months, we can wait 1 more day. _ShinyPika 20:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

It's September 12th in Japan. The games are already out. --ケンジのガール 20:50, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Whoops my bad. I guess when the UTC chances to the 12th it will unprotect, if it's not already. _ShinyPika 20:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

It's lunch time on the 12th here, surely it must be close now. Also i hate it when people say 9-12-09. Makes me think of 9th December because of what we use. Cant't we just say 12th Sep instead of 12-9 or 9-12? (GT4GTR 01:23, 12 September 2009 (UTC))

Animations

When will we get the animations of the Trainers from this game? Chomper4 22:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

In due time. The games have been out for a day, which is less time than it took to build Rome, if you get my drift. —darklordtrom 00:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting me on your answer. Chomper4 00:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions/Archive 2

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