Talk:List of Pokémon with gender differences

The list

For the list, should we do it in NDex order, or in evo family order? I'm personally leaning towards evo family order, because many of those with gender differences keep them across their entire evolutionary line. --TTEchidna 20:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Evo family order wouldlook much better --ElectAbuzzzz 20:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I think we should show both the male and female sprites. ~ Shippinator Mandy 02:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

That's a pretty good idea. I was actually uploading female sprites myself. But I haven't gotten them all up yet. --☆ケンジガール 02:59, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Am I the only one who is very disturbed that the Abra evolutions have "mustaches" Bobtherandomguy 17:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Has anyone but me noticed that Pachirisu is not on this list when it really should be? Bolmedias14 15:35, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Then add it. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 15:40, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't rush me dude, I'm new here, and still learning the ropes. I've added it now, anyway. Bolmedias14 15:45, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

The anime

And now can we finally agree that inarguably gender differences are in the anime and that they do apply to Pokémon caught and evolved in a different region (remember that May's Venusaur didn't come from Sinnoh, she came from Hoenn, and then was brought to Johto, then to Sinnoh?). Therefooooore... Pikachu's a guy. The end? TTEchidna 17:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Probably not. Revert wars would happen if gender-difference evidence were put onto Ash's Pikachu or Dawn's Pachirisu. There are just some people that can't be convinced that Pikachu is male, even if the creators took over the airwaves, went on every channel (as some cartoon villans do), and flat-out says Pikachu is male. As for Pachirisu, the gender differences conflict with what some fans believe of Pachirisu (the stripe points to male, yet some people believe the cheerleading outfit is proof it's female). --Shiningpikablu252 20:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Eerie... I said the exact same thing almost word for word here: Talk: May's Blaziken

Bulbasaur got its game-origin gender difference through evolution. That's far from the apparently expected scenario of Pikachu's tail suddenly splitting in DP001. So I will continue to insist that the tail is the weakest argument even though I accept that Pikachu is most likely male. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 20:37, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Through evolution, in JOHTO. Not in Sinnoh. In Johto. Which we last visited in-game in Generation II. TTEchidna 03:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

...That is the most ridiculous comeback I have ever seen. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 22:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of all this, should there be a page for "Gender differences in the anime"? - Cassius335 10:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Torchic

Torchic isn't on the list. The male has a small black speck on its rear. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 02:48, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

might that just be a sprite error? --Ben7229 12:30, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

If it was, it would apply to both genders, wouldn't it?--AndyPKMN 13:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily, no. Alternate-coloration Milotic in Platinum had a sprite error visible only on the female variant (the again, Milotic's differences are more pronounced than Torchic's). The error was fixed for HeartGold and SoulSilver, but all of the other Milotic sprites remained the same in transition.

My 2¢: Could a sprite expert look over the backsprites in all three sets? --Shiningpikablu252 15:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Platinification

Seems like it was... never done for the _f sprites. Anyone wanna handle that? TTEchidna 06:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I might do it later. Though, should we wait for the HGSS sprites? We're just going to have to change them again. --ケンジのガール 06:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

For many we don't. TTEchidna 19:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Gyarados

In D/P, one whisker (its left one), is blue and white (for female), whereas in Pt, it's both white. ^ht14 17:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Nah, the left one is just darker. Shadows. TTEchidna 10:20, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Sprites

Why is it that only the male sprites are updated to their HG/SS sprites and not the females? Kingofun 09:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Because no one can rip and change all the sprites immediately. Just wait. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 09:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

New gender differences in HGSS

According to a blog entry made by one of Game Freak's graphic designers, new gender differences have been added to some of the new HGSS sprites; they are not very noticeable and might be limited to a few pixels. She might be referring to previous gender differences being applied to the new overworld sprites, but the wording suggests something more substantial. --Unown Lord 09:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Generation 5?

I sure bet ppl are getting tired of hearing Generation 5 speculation but I found this insteresting...

On the newest "On the Origin of Pokémon" George Hutcheon explains why the gender differences in Generation 4 are so subtle!!

So, this makes me wonder, could Generation 5 feature more drastic gender differences? --Landfish⁷ 18:29, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

go to the forums for this stuff. There is a whole GV forum. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 18:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

You called it, Landfish. --LaprasBoi 10:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Standard

For gen 1-3 Pokémon, should we include what they looked like before gender differences were added? For example, Venusaur previously always looked like the male, and Torchic previously always looked like the female. --SnorlaxMonster 09:05, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I like that idea. --LaprasBoi 10:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Sprites

For this article of these I think we need to use different sprites, such as backsprites or older sprites, instead of the current Gen V ones in a few cases. At present, the Gen V sprites do not display the differences between male and female Xatu, nor Medicham( although they should, is this a mistake by the sprite ripper?). Also, there is a problem with the Pikachu sprites, the ear nearest the tail is different; and the Kricketune are in completely different poses. --LaprasBoi 10:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Xatu's sprites are different, but it is very subtle (try opening the two in different tabs, then changing between them). However, Medicham's female sprite was incorrect, so I have now fixed it. --SnorlaxMonster 10:52, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Ow. Yeah, I finally saw it. But, um, that required a ridiculous effort. Can we just use the back sprites? I mean, since the point of having sprites is to illustrate gender differences, maybe we should use the sprites that best show it in each case, even if they are back sprites or Gen IV ones. --LaprasBoi 10:26, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure which way to lean on this one. They do show it, but it is incredibly subtle. I would rather use backsprites than Generation IV sprites, but since the front sprites do show it, I kinda want to use them. I'm conflicted. --SnorlaxMonster 10:37, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I can understand a desire for uniformity, but, the main purpose of these articles is to be informative. That should trump most other things. And sprites where it is difficult to see the differences are not very helpful for informational purposes. --LaprasBoi 12:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I think I have a solution. We show both front and backsprites for all of them, unless the difference is only visible on one of the sides. --SnorlaxMonster 12:20, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

That... seems a bit excessive, but sure, I guess it works, and it will certainly serve to illustrate the differences more clearly... with one exception. Torchic. It’s still virtually impossible to see in the Gen V sprite. Honestly, it was hard in Gen IV too, but at least back then you didn’t need a magnifying glass. --LaprasBoi 04:30, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Torchic was always hard to see. It is only a few pixels that are a different color. The Gen V sprite doesn't really make it any harder than it already was. I think the advantage of showing both front and back would be that it shows which ones are affected. --SnorlaxMonster 11:30, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Female Kricketune

Shouldn't the female Kricketune's sprite be updated to its Gen V version?--Starman125 22:42, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Clear your cache. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 22:49, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Trivia is wrong

The trivia states that a Pokemon of every type has a gender difference, however, the is no ghost type with a gender difference. Sorry if I over looked one. Khimerami 01:29, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Frillish and Jellicent. |) u |( e ® 01:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I just noticed that...Khimerami 01:32, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Backsprites

I think we should include both front and backsprites, if they apply. Pokémon often have changes only visible on one or the other, or at least much more visible on one than the other. --SnorlaxMonster 13:30, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Problem with the Xatu sprites listed on the page.

Specifically, they're exactly the same. Whoever updated the sprites did not realize that the newer Xatu sprite used does not actually display the difference, which is only visible when the wings are open. Could someone look into fixing this? Your Buddy Bill (talk) 03:11, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

It still shows, if barely. You'll have to zoom in to see the difference. --Abcboy (talk) 03:22, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Huh, couldn't tell just switching between the two images. Still, if we have another sprite displaying the open wings, I think that version might suit the article alongside the 'current' sprites displayed (though iirc there's a site out there that's been uploading animated gifs of gen 6 pokemon front-facing battle 'sprites', but that would be a painfully large number of gifs per page) Your Buddy Bill (talk) 03:26, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Pikachu (025)

In some games Pikachu female dont have a heart-form tail (like in Pokémon FireRed). User:Lokki (talk) 17:44, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Gender differences were introduced in Diamond and Pearl. --Abcboy (talk) 16:53, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Could we please mention which gender difference was the original before gen 4?

For example, the male Pikachu & Wobbuffet were the originals, while female Dodrio (beige neck) was the original. You see what I'm saying? Unowninator (talk) 05:22, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

It might be possible, but I fail to see a benefit to it. Additionally, it would only work for Gen III and prior Pokémon that are not Nidoran. Furthermore, while Pokémon like Cacturne would be easy to figure out, with the male design as the base design, it would be highly difficult for Pokémon like Camerupt. --Super goku (talk) 06:01, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Suppose I (or someone else) were to do this. Would you undo it? Or will that not be a problem? Unowninator (talk) 16:33, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

No (to the idea). It's just really not that important.

This page is about gender differences. What the art was before any such distinction was made is totally beside the point. Trying to note that doesn't advance anything important to this page. "Are there differences? Then explain them." That's all this page needs to do. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:16, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I suppose one way to handle this would be describing which gender is used in official artwork, since that's actually relevant. For example, Garchomp's evolutionary family always uses the Female as the default, even when the said Garchomp happens to be male(such as in PokéPark). The default gender also happens to be the one that Mega Evolution is based off, since they don't retain gender differences. Trainer Yusuf (talk) 15:34, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Yeah. I like that idea. Unowninator (talk) 17:27, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I still don't think it's especially relevant to much. It really just feels like trivia at most. And like Super goku said, there are some like Camerupt who it might be very difficult to be sure about. If people really want to know, they can always figure it out themselves. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:35, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Okay, then let's add it to trivia. (At least what we can) Unowninator (talk) 17:55, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

I changed a bit on Pikachu and Raichu is that what you mean? Thanks Ilikewindmills (talk) 09:05, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

I don't see the point in this. Saying which variant was the normal one is irrelevant to the article, trivia or otherwise.--ForceFire 09:30, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

To answer your question Ilikewindmills, yes. Unowninator (talk) 00:57, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

The table size varies too much

I get that the amount of information varies but some of the tables here are thin and some are wide does anyone know how to fix that? Thanks Ilikewindmills (talk) 00:10, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

I've set the default width for the tables to 75% of the available content area. Inconsistencies may still happen on some displays, but it should make the tables consistent looking for a decent majority. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 00:18, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Ilikewindmills (talk) 09:56, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

Lede - Tauros/Miltank

Alola confirms Tauros and Miltank as male and female counterparts in separate species, as with Nidoran. Should they be mentioned in the lede?KrytenKoro (talk) 18:15, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

The Alola Dex just confirms them as grouped, the same way that it groups (for instance) the tapus. It doesn't specifically confirm that their grouping is defined by their genders. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 18:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

I do not have issue mentioning their relationship in a separate subsection, or in the trivia. Before adding those two though, I think it would be more appropriate to mention the relationships between Pokemon such as Gardevoir/Gallade, Glalie/Froslass, and Wormadam/Mothim as they actually share common pre-evolutions and are direct gender counterparts. Similarly, Nidoran♀ and Nidoran♂ are distinct Pokemon, not just gender differences, and I feel like should be mentioned separately (this would also allow differences to be discussed between the fully family lines if wanted). -Uncleben85 (talk) 04:19, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Gender already does such a thing.--ForceFire 04:23, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Solgaleo and Lunala

Lack of gender proper in the actual statistics aside, the Pokédex does detail Solgaleo as being Male in Moon and Lunala as Female in Sun. Any thoughts on whether this should be added? Shiramu Kuromu (talk) 20:40, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

That's not a gender difference, that's a gendered counterpart (like Tauros and Miltank). It doesn't belong here.--ForceFire 05:16, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

New Forms

Alolan Forms and Mega Evolutions differ by gender.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 23:19, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Aren't they mostly the same as the normal forms?--ForceFire 05:16, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

I don't believe any of the Alolan Forms/Mega Evolutions do. Please name one if they do and how. Ice Cream 15:50, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Eevee in "Let's Go Pikachu" and "Let's Go Eevee"

What would be the best way to incorporate the new information regarding Eevee's new gender difference? It's the first one added to a Pokémon since Gen 4 and it's unknown if its only the starter Eevee that will get this treatment. Perhaps waiting it out would be the best course of action. PDL (talk) 04:50, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

I tried adding it myself, but the format doesn't work. I also don't have an image to use; just the youtube video. (IIRC, I'm not allowed to take screenshots from those). ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:35, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

According to this site, only female starter Eevee has differences. It should be classified into variant Pokémon page. Special Stage Route (pit stop) 10:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

So what would make my Eevee image better?

I feel the images should be similar. I uploaded this, but TiddlyWinks doesn't like it, which I assume is because I broke the table. I can't figure out how to make it fit in the table, without dividing it into 2 separate images. Can someone please help? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 01:21, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

It's official artwork, for now it'll do. The images being in different poses does not matter.--ForceFire 06:07, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

So, I should just give it up? Don't bother splitting it into 2 images? ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 15:36, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

I think you already know the answer to that.--ForceFire 16:35, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just checking. Guess I'll delete the pic.

One last question: suppose hypothetically I was allowed to replace the images with that 1. Is it possible to use it without breaking the table? Thanks. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:46, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

You would place colspan="2" rowspan="2". You put "1" instead of "2" in your change, meaning you want to cell to stretch one row, not two.--ForceFire 16:53, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. ¿¡Unowninator?! (talk) 16:58, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Incorrect Trivia Fact

The trivia states "Generation VII is the only generation that did not introduce any Pokémon that have gender differences. However, it did introduce a Pokémon that can only evolve if it is a specific gender (only female Salandit can evolve into Salazzle) ..." However, Combee is a Generation IV Pokémon. - unsigned comment from Vbengr25 (talk • contribs)

It doesn't make the trivia incorrect or any less sensible.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 21:20, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

In the anime

So what's your opinion about adding all confirmed cases of gender differences introduced in Generation IV in the anime? Since they are used as an argument in gender discussions but unfortunately not consistently, I think they should be recorded. ForceFire, your opinion would be welcomed.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 10:07, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Unless there's some gender differences which are presented differently in the anime than in HOME, I don't really see the point in having anime screenshots of every single gender difference in the anime. If the point is for reference for on-wiki discussions, it seems like it would make more sense in a different namespace (User or Bulbapedia); but even then, if they're all identical to HOME, I don't see the point. --SnorlaxMonster 10:29, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

I think that it's also redundant, it's basically showing what's already shown in the main table. If it's to keep track of which gender differences has been shown in the anime, that could be mentioned in text form (maybe), it doesn't need a template. That's also not taking into account the ones with very minor differences that people will argue made an appearance.--ForceFire 13:48, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

My main point was that unless it's one of these 8 Pokemon (maybe someone will find more), Generation IV gender differences are unreliable what automatically changes gender of such Pokemon like Ash's Staraptor and Buizel to unknown. Unless we would choose policy "it's correct until proven otherwise".--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 19:12, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Nidoran

Since male and female Nidoran are technically separate Pokémon (via Dex number), why are they on here? - unsigned comment from ThighFish (talk • contribs)

They are still gendered counterparts.--ForceFire 04:22, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Eevee's tail

The female Eevee has a heart on her tail. It's clearly a heart if you look at it right. To draw a flower you do so by stringing hearts together in a loop. Mario60866 (talk) 18:24, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Again, you aren't reading what people are telling you. It looks like a flower from above. Not beinhd, not from the side. And the pattern surrounds her tail, thus forming a flower shape.--ForceFire 19:16, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Nidoran again

I really don't think Nidoran should be counted as a gender difference on this page. This page is about when Pokémon of the same species differ between genders, a concept introduced in Gen 4, which is not what Nidoran is since it's two separate species, and was introduced before gender was even a mechanic. Counting two separate species as a gender difference of one species is a bit absurd and misleading, and begs the question of why other "gendered counterparts" like Volbeat and Illumise don't also count. While they still probably merit a mention on the article for being gendered counterparts, they shouldn't be on the main list of gender differences. Hewer (talk) 10:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree. If Nidoran is there why not Latias and Latios?--Rocket Grunt 17:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)