Talk:List of Pokémon by base stats (Generation I)

DATA Sources

The information data on this page is based upon List of Pokémon by base stats and Pokémon Base Stats & Max Stats FAQ. I noticed inconstancies between these two pages, and I do not know how to verify this information. Any help would be appreciated. Jecowa 20:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Mistake in Average column

The Avg column still divides total by 6 (from the Gen II+ table) when it should divide by 5. I'm not sure how to edit the table to fix this. Blueapple128 19:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Total Base Stats

Shouldn't total base stats count Special stat double? It works for both special offense and defense.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

It's better to just stick with the defined stats. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Why not just show both? Current version just doesn't match reality.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 11:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

"Doesn't match reality"? There are five stats. If you sum those five stats, you get the stat total. Reality^TM. Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:42, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

That's not very professional reaction. I meant that higher total number incorrectly represents which Pokemon really has higher stats. It treats physical and special stats differently, where in practise they work the same way and there still are 6 stats pretending to be 5.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 13:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

A Pokemon has 5 stats. Pretty simple. No need to complicate it. I understand how you believe your preference would be "better" in some ways, but it would also easily confuse people. It's not worth it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:00, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

I am not saying the other version is better, I am saying that both have thier advantages and would like to see both. Also I don't really understand how using the same method as the one used for all other generations would be confusing but ok. I'll just show you how it could look like:

#		Pokémon	HP	Attack	Defense	Sp. Attack	Sp. Defense	Speed	Total	Average
0001		Bulbasaur	45	49	49	65	65	45	318	53
0002		Ivysaur	60	62	63	80	80	60	405	67.5
0003		Venusaur	80	82	83	100	100	80	525	87.5
0004		Charmander	39	52	43	50	50	65	299	49.83
0005		Charmeleon	58	64	58	65	65	80	390	65
0006		Charizard	78	84	78	85	85	100	510	85
0007		Squirtle	44	48	65	50	50	43	300	50
0008		Wartortle	59	63	80	65	65	58	390	65
0009		Blastoise	79	83	100	85	85	78	510	85
0010		Caterpie	45	30	35	20	20	45	195	32.5
0011		Metapod	50	20	55	25	25	30	205	34.17
0012		Butterfree	60	45	50	80	80	70	385	64.17
0013		Weedle	40	35	30	20	20	50	195	32.5
0014		Kakuna	45	25	50	25	25	35	205	34.17
0015		Beedrill	65	80	40	45	45	75	350	58.33
0016		Pidgey	40	45	40	35	35	56	251	41.83
0017		Pidgeotto	63	60	55	50	50	71	349	58.17
0018		Pidgeot	83	80	75	70	70	91	469	78.17
0019		Rattata	30	56	35	25	25	72	243	40.5
0020		Raticate	55	81	60	50	50	97	393	65.5
0021		Spearow	40	60	30	31	31	70	262	43.67
0022		Fearow	65	90	65	61	61	100	442	73.67
0023		Ekans	35	60	44	40	40	55	274	45.67
0024		Arbok	60	85	69	65	65	80	424	70.67
0025		Pikachu	35	55	30	50	50	90	310	51.67
0026		Raichu	60	90	55	90	90	100	485	80.83
0027		Sandshrew	50	75	85	30	30	40	310	51.67
0028		Sandslash	75	100	110	55	55	65	460	76.67
0029		Nidoran♀	55	47	52	40	40	41	275	45.83
0030		Nidorina	70	62	67	55	55	56	365	60.83
0031		Nidoqueen	90	82	87	75	75	76	485	80.83
0032		Nidoran♂	46	57	40	40	40	50	273	45.5
0033		Nidorino	61	72	57	55	55	65	365	60.83
0034		Nidoking	81	92	77	75	75	85	485	80.83
0035		Clefairy	70	45	48	60	60	35	318	53
0036		Clefable	95	70	73	85	85	60	468	78
0037		Vulpix	38	41	40	65	65	65	314	52.33
0038		Ninetales	73	76	75	100	100	100	524	87.33
0039		Jigglypuff	115	45	20	25	25	20	250	41.67
0040		Wigglytuff	140	70	45	50	50	45	400	66.67
0041		Zubat	40	45	35	40	40	55	255	42.5
0042		Golbat	75	80	70	75	75	90	465	77.5
0043		Oddish	45	50	55	75	75	30	330	55
0044		Gloom	60	65	70	85	85	40	405	67.5
0045		Vileplume	75	80	85	100	100	50	490	81.67
0046		Paras	35	70	55	55	55	25	295	49.17
0047		Parasect	60	95	80	80	80	30	425	70.83
0048		Venonat	60	55	50	40	40	45	290	48.33
0049		Venomoth	70	65	60	90	90	90	465	77.5
0050		Diglett	10	55	25	45	45	95	275	45.83
0051		Dugtrio	35	80	50	70	70	120	425	70.83
0052		Meowth	40	45	35	40	40	90	290	48.33
0053		Persian	65	70	60	65	65	115	440	73.33
0054		Psyduck	50	52	48	50	50	55	305	50.83
0055		Golduck	80	82	78	80	80	85	485	80.83
0056		Mankey	40	80	35	35	35	70	295	49.17
0057		Primeape	65	105	60	60	60	95	445	74.17
0058		Growlithe	55	70	45	50	50	60	330	55
0059		Arcanine	90	110	80	80	80	95	535	89.17
0060		Poliwag	40	50	40	40	40	90	300	50
0061		Poliwhirl	65	65	65	50	50	90	385	64.17
0062		Poliwrath	90	85	95	70	70	70	480	80
0063		Abra	25	20	15	105	105	90	360	60
0064		Kadabra	40	35	30	120	120	105	450	75
0065		Alakazam	55	50	45	135	135	120	540	90
0066		Machop	70	80	50	35	35	35	305	50.83
0067		Machoke	80	100	70	50	50	45	395	65.83
0068		Machamp	90	130	80	65	65	55	485	80.83
0069		Bellsprout	50	75	35	70	70	40	340	56.67
0070		Weepinbell	65	90	50	85	85	55	430	71.67
0071		Victreebel	80	105	65	100	100	70	520	86.67
0072		Tentacool	40	40	35	100	100	70	385	64.17
0073		Tentacruel	80	70	65	120	120	100	555	92.5
0074		Geodude	40	80	100	30	30	20	300	50
0075		Graveler	55	95	115	45	45	35	390	65
0076		Golem	80	110	130	55	55	45	475	79.17
0077		Ponyta	50	85	55	65	65	90	410	68.33
0078		Rapidash	65	100	70	80	80	105	500	83.33
0079		Slowpoke	90	65	65	40	40	15	315	52.5
0080		Slowbro	95	75	110	80	80	30	470	78.33
0081		Magnemite	25	35	70	95	95	45	365	60.83
0082		Magneton	50	60	95	120	120	70	515	85.83
0083		Farfetch'd	52	65	55	58	58	60	348	58
0084		Doduo	35	85	45	35	35	75	310	51.67
0085		Dodrio	60	110	70	60	60	100	460	76.67
0086		Seel	65	45	55	70	70	45	350	58.33
0087		Dewgong	90	70	80	95	95	70	500	83.33
0088		Grimer	80	80	50	40	40	25	315	52.5
0089		Muk	105	105	75	65	65	50	465	77.5
0090		Shellder	30	65	100	45	45	40	325	54.17
0091		Cloyster	50	95	180	85	85	70	565	94.17
0092		Gastly	30	35	30	100	100	80	375	62.5
0093		Haunter	45	50	45	115	115	95	465	77.5
0094		Gengar	60	65	60	130	130	110	555	92.5
0095		Onix	35	45	160	30	30	70	370	61.67
0096		Drowzee	60	48	45	90	90	42	375	62.5
0097		Hypno	85	73	70	115	115	67	525	87.5
0098		Krabby	30	105	90	25	25	50	325	54.17
0099		Kingler	55	130	115	50	50	75	475	79.17
0100		Voltorb	40	30	50	55	55	100	330	55
0101		Electrode	60	50	70	80	80	140	480	80
0102		Exeggcute	60	40	80	60	60	40	340	56.67
0103		Exeggutor	95	95	85	125	125	55	580	96.67
0104		Cubone	50	50	95	40	40	35	310	51.67
0105		Marowak	60	80	110	50	50	45	395	65.83
0106		Hitmonlee	50	120	53	35	35	87	380	63.33
0107		Hitmonchan	50	105	79	35	35	76	380	63.33
0108		Lickitung	90	55	75	60	60	30	370	61.67
0109		Koffing	40	65	95	60	60	35	355	59.17
0110		Weezing	65	90	120	85	85	60	505	84.17
0111		Rhyhorn	80	85	95	30	30	25	345	57.5
0112		Rhydon	105	130	120	45	45	40	485	80.83
0113		Chansey	250	5	5	105	105	50	520	86.67
0114		Tangela	65	55	115	100	100	60	495	82.5
0115		Kangaskhan	105	95	80	40	40	90	450	75
0116		Horsea	30	40	70	70	70	60	340	56.67
0117		Seadra	55	65	95	95	95	85	490	81.67
0118		Goldeen	45	67	60	50	50	63	335	55.83
0119		Seaking	80	92	65	80	80	68	465	77.5
0120		Staryu	30	45	55	70	70	85	355	59.17
0121		Starmie	60	75	85	100	100	115	535	89.17
0122		Mr. Mime	40	45	65	100	100	90	440	73.33
0123		Scyther	70	110	80	55	55	105	475	79.17
0124		Jynx	65	50	35	95	95	95	435	72.5
0125		Electabuzz	65	83	57	85	85	105	480	80
0126		Magmar	65	95	57	85	85	93	480	80
0127		Pinsir	65	125	100	55	55	85	485	80.83
0128		Tauros	75	100	95	70	70	110	520	86.67
0129		Magikarp	20	10	55	20	20	80	205	34.17
0130		Gyarados	95	125	79	100	100	81	580	96.67
0131		Lapras	130	85	80	95	95	60	545	90.83
0132		Ditto	48	48	48	48	48	48	288	48
0133		Eevee	55	55	50	65	65	55	345	57.5
0134		Vaporeon	130	65	60	110	110	65	540	90
0135		Jolteon	65	65	60	110	110	130	540	90
0136		Flareon	65	130	60	110	110	65	540	90
0137		Porygon	65	60	70	75	75	40	385	64.17
0138		Omanyte	35	40	100	90	90	35	390	65
0139		Omastar	70	60	125	115	115	55	540	90
0140		Kabuto	30	80	90	45	45	55	345	57.5
0141		Kabutops	60	115	105	70	70	80	500	83.33
0142		Aerodactyl	80	105	65	60	60	130	500	83.33
0143		Snorlax	160	110	65	65	65	30	495	82.5
0144		Articuno	90	85	100	125	125	85	610	101.67
0145		Zapdos	90	90	85	125	125	100	615	102.5
0146		Moltres	90	100	90	125	125	90	620	103.33
0147		Dratini	41	64	45	50	50	50	300	50
0148		Dragonair	61	84	65	70	70	70	420	70
0149		Dragonite	91	134	95	100	100	80	600	100
0150		Mewtwo	106	110	90	154	154	130	744	124
0151		Mew	100	100	100	100	100	100	600	100

--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 13:32, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

(resetting indent)This should be simple.

This wiki covers Pokémon games. This page addresses the Generation I games. Generation I has five statistics. You can see this fairly clearly on images like to the right. Since these five stats are what's in the Generation I games, those are the stats that this page will cover.

We will not introduce a fake Gen I stat just because they changed things in Generation II and you don't like that you can't directly compare the pure stats. Many people know that stats were different in Gen I. So far, you're the first person who's had any problem with this "incongruence" between Gen I and later games. But if we changed it to what you want, I guarantee we'd quickly have many people complaining about that change.

The Generation I games were made with Pokemon only having 5 base stats. It was changed in Generation II. If you want something done about that, you may like to contact The Pokémon Company or Game Freak and perhaps see if they can do something about it in some future distribution of the Generation I games. In the meantime, it is not our place to make up stats just to make things "match". We describe the games as they are. So until your mail campaign bears fruit, we're stuck with 5 stats on this article.

Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

You don't have to be so rude and treat me like an idiot while I'm just trying to discuss a simple issue. I know there are only 5 stats in the game, by showing me this you're just missing my point. I'm okay with not adding it on the main page if you really insist, so I'll just go compromise and I leave the table in the talk page.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 14:00, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I do apologize for not curbing my frustration fully. From my point of view, I was more or less repeating myself and you managed to not address my fundamental point each time. I was trying to keep my responses simple, but since it wasn't working, I thought I needed to do something different (and just yelling "What part of there are only 5 stats don't you get" didn't seem like the right answer). So I tried hammering on it more extensively. I did not mean to treat you "like an idiot", but the rudeness that leaked through is on me. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Would it be so bad to have an extra column saying "BST (modern scale)" which accounts for the Special stat doing double duty? because sure it's just one number but it being offensive and defensive at the same time certainly makes it a 2-in-1 stat, and would be a bit more evident of the "true power" of a given pokemon.

My1 18:46, 7 September 2023 (UTC)