Talk:Hoopa (Pokémon)

ORAS entries

I think they've actually changed (unless Formes have separate entries :P), since this. Probably because of the new Forme. Eridanus (talk) 12:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I have already updated it. thanks for the help in editing!:)Phiraptor28 (talk) 10:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Hoopa Confined's Description

You must have been looking at the old art (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Hoopa-410943259) that influenced a lot of people before we could actually get a clear shot of Hoopa. This is a more accurate look at it (http://www.deviantart.com/art/Hoopa-v-2-477350821). Of note, it doesn't have claws on its hands; they're more like mittens. Alxprit (talk) 21:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Japanese Name

Hoopa's name in Japanese is フーパ (Fūpa), though you probably know this already. LittleOmu (talk) 05:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

See here on the user page. The Japanese is already there, though the Fūpa part is not. I will leave that to someone else to determine adding, though I believe it can be. CycloneGU (talk) 06:45, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Fūpa is a transliteration of the katakana. The katakana is a transliteration of Hoopa. Therefore, the Japanese name is Hoopa. Pikachu Bros. (talk) 18:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

That's not what I meant... On the right side of the page, where the template for the Pokémon information is located, the kana reads シェイミ (Sheimi) instead of フーパ (Fūpa). LittleOmu (talk) 07:15, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry guys 'coz I copied Shaymin's template to create this page... I'll edit it right away. Thanks to all! Phiraptor28 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Prev/Next Bar

Guys, please don't change Bulbasaur into Volcanion. Hoopa is going to be released maybe in the next two months, for he's involved in teleporting the Weather trio to Kalos. Volcanion will not be released simultaneously with Hoopa. When Bulbapedia puts this page into the mainspace, Volcanion still won't be in "official" existence. This would yet always end up like this. Even though we know Volcanion exists, he is yet to be acknowledged by Nintendo. So:

← #719: Diancie	Pokémon	#001: Bulbasaur →
This article is about the species. For a specific instance of this species, see Hoopa (disambiguation).

But then, as you see in my Volcanion page, this would be the only instance that Hoopa and Bulbasaur's pages would be linked together. If Hoopa is revealed, the PrevNext Bar would be 719 - 720 - 001. If Volcanion is revealed, it would be 720 - 721 - 001. In layman's term, DO NOT EDIT THE PREVNEXT BAR TO SOON. I hope you bear with me. :) Phiraptor28 (talk) 13:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Hiding Unbound information

As I'm sure this article will be mainspaced soon, I'm wondering whether or not the Unbound information should be hidden? Seeming Volcanion (and Hoopa until now) don't have mainspaced pages because of their unofficially revealed status, that the Unbound information should be omitted because its basically in the same boat as Volcanion. I'm absolutely certain the Unbound forme will be officially revealed before July, but still, the fact remains until then it's not officially released information until then. ----samm :D 15:10, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree with this because a lot of Diancie's information was also hidden last year until more information was officially announced and it eventually became obtainable in an official event. Water Max (talk) 13:19, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree as well. Hoopa's unbound form has not been officially revealed by Nintendo yet (to my knowledge), so I don't think we should have it on this page. ShermTank7272 (talk) 18:50, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Forme names

Is it "Hoopa Confined" and "Hoopa Unbound", or "Confined Forme" and "Unbound Forme"? This article uses them interchangeably, which is incorrect. --SnorlaxMonster 15:16, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it'll help, but in the ORAS text dump, the file that has things like "Altered Forme", "Overcast Form", and "Mega Diancie" also has "Hoopa Confined" and "Hoopa Unbound" (in that relative order). Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:26, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

It is really Hoopa Confined or Hoopa Unbound. As you see, I already put the forme names in the head section of the page, even at the first time I created this. The problem that Confined Forme and Unbound Forme came to existence is because when I was creating the infobox (and the evolution section), I learned that the coding of Bulbapedia's Infobox does not recognize the proper order of the names of Hoopa's forme differences; which is because of the previous Pokémon with forme differences, but the "forme" in their formes go after their forme name. Examples are such as Sky Forme Shaymin. Otherwise it would be Shaymin Sky, if we follow Hoopa's format. Phiraptor28 (talk) 06:49, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

That's a false equivalence. Just because Hoopa is done this way does not at all mean Shaymin or anything else is "wrong" or contradicted. (Until I can have Hoopa in my own game or see some official (English) usage, I can't offer a real opinion on whether the current way is right or wrong, but I would hazard that it's right.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:02, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

The Djinn Pokemon

If you read the OR/AS PokeDex Entries with Hoopa Confined as the Forme shown, it displays "Mischief" as it did in X/Y. However, if Unbound is selected when viewing this page, it's called "Djinn" instead. Does any other Pokemon with a Forme Change ever change their Species name whenever viewed differently in the PokeDex as such? Shiramu Kuromu (talk) 13:24, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, no. Also considering that Hoopa is the only Generation VI Pokémon with unique Pokédex entries in ORAS whereas every other Gen VI Pokemon just reuses theirs from X/Y. Superjustinbros. (talk) 21:05, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Is Hoopa The New Pixie?

Y'know, the small, cute, "fairy"-looking legendary with 600 BST like Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, Manaphy, Shaymin and Victini (I consider Uxie, Azelf and Mesprit honorary Pixies because they look a lot like pale Mew with helmets, and they have similar sizes to the rest of the pixies, but they don't have 600 BST's)? Hoopa would also be the first Pixie Legendary to not have an equal 100/100/100/100/100/100 spread, and the second to have an item-linked Forme change after Shaymin (who has both Land and Sky). And the first to have slight involvement in a game's storyline since Mew (both are directly alluded to in their respective games. Mew with the Pokémon Mansion journals, and Hoopa with the Mirage Spots).--BlackButterfree (talk) 00:13, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

"Small" is subjective, "cute" and "'fairy'-looking" are opinionated, and "600 BST" is a trait shared by a TON of Mythical Pokémon beyond just those six, meaning that the only factual relation between specifically them is that they are all Mythical and have straight-100 stats. Hoopa is Mythical, but since it doesn't meet the only other criterium, it doesn't qualify, so rather than being considered "the only Pixie not to have straight-100 stats," I would just not call it a Pixie. Please remember that this has to all be fact-based, so we can't just categorize Pokémon based on similar appearances - if Hoopa counted as a pixie despite not having straight-100 stats, then wouldn't Diancie and even Darkrai also have to? They also have BSTs of 600 and are Mythical; they, like Hoopa, lack the straight-100 stats, but if Hoopa counts, there's no reason for them not to count. I don't think Hoopa can be grouped with the Pixies - we didn't count Diancie and Darkrai, did we? EpicDeino (talk) 11:45, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Subject? Likely. Either way, we have a definition on the Appendix. (Though, they are not called Pixies.) --Super goku (talk) 21:54, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

So is that a yes or a no? Hoopa seems to fit the entire definition in the Appendix aside from the 100 stat spread. --BlackButterfree (talk) 09:09, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't meet the definition (as you said yourself), so it isn't. --SnorlaxMonster 09:19, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I'd argue small isn't that subjective, considering that all the pixie Pokemon are half the height or less than an average human. Cute could also be argued as there are certain traits that are almost universally seen as cute (overly sized head (all the pixie legendaries and Hoopa have this, sans Shaymin's Land forme), rounded parts (all the pixies and Hoopa have this, sans Shaymin's Sky forme), huge eyes (all the pixies and Hoopa have this, sans Shaymin's land forme). That said, even if we accept those as defining cute... Shaymin does not meet all of the requirements, yet it meets the 600 BST requirement and is mythical, so clearly the "cute" definition either is not part of it, or if it is, we have to ignore the only possible guide on it. So throwing that out the window, that leaves... Hoopa is small and mythical. And even small doesn't count as Hoopa Unbound is its true form so it has being mythical as the only thing it has going for it which, as pointed out, isn't enough --Shadowater (talk) 03:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I'd rather say Diancie is the pixie of the three gen VI mythical Pokémon, although it isn't really small it is the most adorable of three (in my opinion then). Atleast that is how I think game freak intended it to be (with hoopa unbound (not very cute (though the laughing in hyperspace fury is kinda cute:3)) Volcanion looks a more like 'the evil one', Hoopa is a bit of a prankster, while Diancie looks more like a pokémon that you would give a hug. I think the lastone should say the most if a mythical pokémon is a pixie. Not size or weight, but level of adorableness karstvgl 06:50, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Although I agree that Diancie is cute, I also think Hoopa Confined is also cute, also all the Pixies are about the same height with the exception being Mew which is about as tall as Diancie, but that's with its tail included.Animaltamer711:27, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Pokemon Infobox problem

Hoopa's forms don't work entirely right in the Pokemon infobox. Under the images, it says "Confined/Unbound Hoopa" instead of "Hoopa Confined/Unbound". This should be corrected somehow. (If I had to make a suggestion, my first would be to just create a special template. ...Which might also be useful for the handling the dual species names.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:53, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the problem. The same template used there, I think, is used for all Megas (see Altaria for instance). Once we have proper art for both forms and more than a magazine clipping, it'll make a lot more sense, I think. Right now, the text replaces an image that does not exist. CycloneGU (talk) 19:58, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

All right, based on your edit, I see what you mean now. I'm curious which one the game uses, as that's the one that we should prioritize to. CycloneGU (talk) 20:09, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

...Do you? (See what I "mean".) Are you talking about species names (which is the thing I just edited), or form names? The species names are a complete tangent here. The form names are the real issue here, and are wrong as shown under the images (and this will not change when proper images are in place, or make any new "sense"; "Confined/Unbound Hoopa" is simply wrong). Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:19, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Um, yes. I "do". =P

What I mean, though, is what will the Pokédex use? When you receive it, it goes in the Pokédex, then you look at it, and it says either "The Mischief Pokémon" or "The Djinn Pokémon". Whichever one the Pokédex uses takes priority, though I'm not against prose that the other term is also used (I think we want to go away from tooltips for mobile users). CycloneGU (talk) 20:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

I think the species names should pretty much stay entirely in the infobox. Even if the infobox never changes. I mean, the only way I can think of explaining it in prose just comes off as trivia. Ideally, though, the infobox should differentiate them better than the current solution. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:42, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

It could be set up like the game locations box and allow for the variable "species2" or something like that. When it's defined as anything, a line break is added followed by the text presented in "species2". CycloneGU (talk) 21:01, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Possible name inspiration

In addition to the obvious "Hoop" part of its name, I think Hoopa could also be referencing OOPArts, or "out-of-place artifacts". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out-of-place_artifact It certainly fits with its theme of teleporting objects to seemingly random locations. Frezgle (Silverlucario) (talk) 03:32, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, seems like it Animaltamer706:42, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

No, I really don't think "an object [...] found in a very unusual or seemingly impossible context that could challenge conventional historical chronology by being "too advanced" for the level of civilization that existed at the time, or showing "human presence" well before humans were supposed to exist" is at all related to Hoopa. Just because Hoopa could be the cause does not at all mean it's reasonable. Until such a case is actually mentioned, you're theorizing on the consequences of Hoopa's habits much too far without real subtantiation (i.e., it's just a huge guess). Tiddlywinks (talk) 07:05, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Artwork

This is the official Hoopa's artwork: http://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:720Hoopa.png Please include this. - unsigned comment from RickFreak (talk • contribs)

It's already there. Purge your cache. --Abcboy (talk) 23:38, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

It's not actually a user-side issue. Either the image will update in about a month, or a high enough staff member may decide to purge the cached image sooner. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:44, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

No, it's already been updated on the server-side. After I cleared my cache, the correct artwork was there. --Abcboy (talk) 00:25, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

On this page? I've done everything I know to update this Hoopa (Pokémon), and I still see the magazine scan. (Which is as I expect; it's your experience I can't account for.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

And it's already February and the magazine scan is still used over the artwork... Superjustinbros. (talk) 21:10, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

I did say it should update in "about a month", but I really meant "to my knowledge, exactly a month". Expect it to be right next weekend. If that weekend passes and it's not up to date...wait another few days, just for "safety". Then complain. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

You need to manually purge the page. Visit the Hoopa article page, then add to the URL ?action=purge, then on your keyboard do a forced reset by pressing Ctrl+F5 if you have a Windows machine. If it doesn't work, then you'll need to clear your internet cache completely or just wait.DarienLeonhart (talk) 21:42, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Let me ask you: do you see Hoopa's artwork? (That is, this instead of this.) And if not, have you tried this advice you're offering? I have (just now in fact, just to be sure), and, as I said above, it hasn't helped. To my knowledge, this is not solvable user-side. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:48, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

I just tried purging and it made no difference. Bulba-side problem. Me, Hurray! (talk) 23:17, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Time travel description

This little sentence makes it seem as if the author was the time traveller: It was officially revealed in the February 2015 issue of CoroCoro magazine on January 10, 2015. Either the date is wrong, or it should be changed to either: It will be officially revealed in the February 2015 issue of CoroCoro magazine.(as mentioning the date twice makes it sound weird) or It was officially revealed in the leaked February 2015 issue of CoroCoro magazine. Someone who knows the actual situation should edit this. --Markoatonc (talk) 17:46, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

That's how magazines operate. Monthly magazines often say the issue is for the next month to keep sales of it up. glik^glak 18:04, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

This Won't change that the form of this sentence is wrong. It was revealed in January issue that the February issue will have info about it.

I suggest: It was announced in the CoroCoro magazine on January 10, 2015 that the pokemon will be officially introduced in February 2015 issue of the magazine. OK, I suggest that someone with the right permissions should change it. - unsigned comment from Markoatonc (talk • contribs)

They're saying that the February issue was released in January. Again, many companies do this. Starscream (talk) 19:55, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

OK... I get it now. But no Magazine company I know does that, at least not like this. Still, thanks for clearing that up. - unsigned comment from Markoatonc (talk • contribs)

If you need more information on publications following this release format (date of edition not matching the month/week it's released), try cover dates. Kai * the Arc Toraph 14:10, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Confined Hoopa is only a head?

Confined Hoopa seemed to have "hands". Is this true that Confined Hoopa has no arms and legs? --HoennLove200 (talk) 08:15, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

What do you mean by "seemed"? Has it (the confined form) changed? Partone (talk) 12:45, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Hoopa Confined hasn't changed. If you look at Hoopa's artwork, it definitely has hands, although it does not have legs. Litwick96 (talk) 22:32, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Look at the body shape... --HoennLove200 (talk) 22:39, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

That's just the body style from the Pokédex, it doesn't really mean much. A lot of things with that body style have more than just heads, for example Mismagius. - unsigned comment from Litwick96 (talk • contribs)

Mirage spots

Was it ever 100% confirmed that the mysterious portals scattered around Hoenn (e.g. Lugia/Ho-Oh at Sea Mauville) were the work of a Hoopa? - Chosen of Mana 15:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't know it was ever suggested... Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:16, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I haven't heard of anything official that says Hoopa is responsible for the portals, but they are identical to portals that appear in the animation for Hyperspace Fury. In addition, although this may be more speculative, I believe the next movie has been confirmed to involve Hoopa using rings to transport things around Litwick96 (talk) 15:29, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

They're giant rings that spit out Pokemon from other regions. It's Hoopa's handiwork. It's heavily implied, but not explicitly confirmed. Ataro (talk) 01:28, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Game locations

Hoopa's location is listed as "Event" for OR/AS, but the "In Events" section is completely empty. Going to the Event Pokémon article contains no information on Hoopa at all. This doesn't seem very appropriate right now given that clearly Hoopa's event hasn't happened yet, and no information seems to exist about it anywhere. MofoMan2000 (talk) 01:43, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Not at all. It's well-known that a Hoopa Event will be revealed for the new movie this summer, in Japan. It just won't be released until July. It doesn't change the fact that it is an Event-exclusive Pokémon. CycloneGU (talk) 02:56, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Online Game Play

Due to the 9.5.0-23 update on the 3DS, Hoopa, Volcanion and other illegally web-injected Pokémon are unable to be used in any online battles. They may also not be put on the GTS or the Wonder Trade. They may be traded or battled with by local wireless only. Wafflezwithsyrup (talk) 13:10, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Icons

I have uploaded all ORAS icons to imgur. If someone could add them. They are animated. http://imgur.com/Vx8jwF8,rsS8GGU,8TPQtqO,HOTNuUy karstvgl 19:38, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Hoopa, Profile

Shouldn't the profile image of Hoopa Unbound be shown larger than it is? As it stands, it looks like a sprite on the main article page. DarienLeonhart (talk) 17:42, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

It already is karstvgl 18:39, 14 April 2015 (UTC) (Too big size, removed pic) karstvgl 18:53, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm not referring to the image file page itself, I mean the image as seen on the main article page of Hoopa in the info box on the right. in that infobox, it looks like a sprite at the current size. I know the image itself is of a large size but that's not what I'm talking about.DarienLeonhart (talk) 18:42, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I do agree with that. Although it is on the most BP pages another form which is smaller. karstvgl 18:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

The image isn't that small. Besides, that image is fine the way it is.--ForceFire 04:06, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

It's the same size as the sprites in the Hoopa category page! it should be made a bit larger on the article page infobox say about 200px maybe, 250px in that range.DarienLeonhart (talk) 04:15, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

We do this for all Pokémon with alternate forms. (e.g. Rotom, Diancie, and Castform.) The infobox is incredibly large as it is, and having too many large images in it would only make it that much more unwieldy. Prior to this version of the infobox, you didn't get thumbnails for alternate forms and had to view the article at the right time of day to see each of them. The images are fine as they are, you can simply click on them if you want to see a larger version. - Kogoro - Talk to me - 05:10, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

STAB for Confined or Unbound?

In the list of TM/HM moves and Tutor moves both Psychic and Dark moves are bolded for STAB and Ghost moves (so really only Shadow Ball) are italicized for an alternate form getting STAB. Shouldn't this be the other way around, since Hoopa Confined is both the first revealed form and main form? Unbound will always revert to Confined after three days or when boxed, so I think that bold STAB should be for Psychic and Ghost and italicized STAB should be for Dark, like it used to be. --Terry152 (Talk) 11:48, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

It switches. Eridanus (talk) 13:11, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Legendaries in ORAS

Has it been confirmed that Hoopa created the rings from which basically every legendary known to man can be found in ORAS? They're the same rings that are shown in the trailer for M18, so I was wondering if that's worth noting. AGGRON989 01:24, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

It's heavily implied. If it's not on the page already, I'd say we should wait until we get more information. --Abcboy (talk) 02:08, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hoopa page

Greetings. The page for Hoopa is protected and hence I cannot make an edit. The Edit is that on the page it is written incorrectly that Prison Bottle and Hoopa Unbound have not been officially revealed.

PokemonCool (talk) 14:56, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Hoopa page is protected. Why? PokemonCool (talk) 09:27, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

"This page has been locked so that only established users can edit it."

In other words, only established editors - ones who have edited and made a certain number of edits - will have the status to be able to edit the page. This is not restricted to staff only. I'll ask Magnadeth (the protecting admin.) to come and comment when he has time as to whether this protection will be removed. I've been wondering why Zygarde still has it, myself. CycloneGU (talk) 15:19, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Event legendary pages are prone to speculation, stolen, unconfirmed, or incorrect information. It's standard procedure for unreleased or recently released Pokémon to be protected from new, non-established users. -- MAGNEDETH 21:34, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Is this trivia worthy?

I just noticed that Hoopa Unbound can learn Dark Pulse by level up but is incompatible with the TM that teaches Dark Pulse. Is that worth mentioning in the trivia section? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 20:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

No. That's normal. Why would a Pokémon learn a TM move that it can just learn by leveling up?--ForceFire 05:01, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I think you have that backwards, Force Fire. Why would a Pokémon that can learn a move through leveling not be able to learn it as a TM? Lucario learns Power-Up Punch at Level 15 or TM. Multiple Pokémon, if not all, that can learn Rock Slide by level up can do so with a TM. Panpour, Simipour, and Volcanion are possible with Scald. Ice Beam counts as well with even Snorunt learning it by TM in all generations since Gen III and Level 34 for only Gen III. Same for Brick Break and Dragon Claw from what I see. --Super goku (talk) 19:16, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

So, in conclusion, I would say that it is worth mentioning that Hoopa Unbound us unable to learn Dark Pulse by TM. --Super goku (talk) 02:48, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Why is this bit of trivia necessary? If the TM Dark Pulse is not on the list of TM moves that Hoopa Unbound can learn, then I would think it would be obvious that it can't learn Dark Pulse by TM. Just because some Pokémon can learn level up moves by TM as well doesn't mean ALL Pokémon are capable of that.
- unsigned comment from DarienLeonhart (talk • contribs)

All current examples point to all Pokémon besides Hoopa being able to use a TM in place of learning a move through leveling. Even Hoopa has Light Screen, Shadow Ball, and Trick Move as both a TM and a level-up move. Is there an example that shows that Hoopa is not unique in its inability to learn a level-up move with a TM that contains the same move? --Super goku (talk) 07:08, 2 January 2016 (UTC)