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OOps. Evkl 01:45, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Should this be listed under Pokémon Breeding or simply Breeding? -greengiant

Probably Poke breeding with a redirect from "breeding"

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Strange Breeding: How did these things happen?

A couple of strange things happened to me when I was breeding a male Blaziken with a female Phanpy (which is strange enough in itself, I guess)

  1. When the egg hatched, the Phanpy knew Rock Smash. This shouldn't have been able to happen because I had previously deleted Rock Smash from Blaziken via the Move Deleter guy.
  2. The Phanpy hatched holding a PP Up! Needless to say, I was thrilled, but is there any reason for this occurance? Is it random or predictable?

Thanks a lot →Evin290 12:18, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

I don;t know about the first, but I believe the second is because of Phanphy's ability "Pickup".--Skully Collins 08:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah the PP Up is definetly a result of the pick-up. As for the rock smash, no clue. --Blaziken=Tahu 02:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Could be something intentional. I would assume that Phanpy could learn Strength if you taught that to Blaziken then removed it. Learner4 20:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Im actually thinking that Phanphy can learn Rock Smash, so if Blaziken knew it then there are still "reminints" of Rock Smash there, as shown by the move relearner guy. Maybe when the breeding happened the data some how got mixed and BAM, you have a Phanphy that knows Rock Smash. Did you use any cheats (earlier on) at all?--sorou 17:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Abilities

I have seen, and the D/P Nintendo power guide states that, you can pass on abilities via breeding. This would be important to note, wouldn't it? It seems like something that big should be listed. Especially when you consider the possibilities! (I personally love my wonder-guarded sableye) Also, I think this should possibly be noted in the "chain breeding" section as well. --TheCakeIsALie 02:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

True. Good eye. You may place it in the article in the appropriate place. And don't forget your sig or people won't know who you are.PokeManiac102 06:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

No! Abilities are NOT PASSED ON. By Abilities they meant Natures. Go on, try it. ABILITIES CANNOT BE PASSED ON. TTEchidnaGSDS! 06:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
Plus, the only Pokémon with Wonder Guard can't breed with anything but Ditto, so it'd never pass it on to Sableye. If you got that thing in a trade, it's hacked, man. TTEchidnaGSDS! 06:51, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Crap, thanks for pointing that out. Dang... But on another note, you CAN pass abilities legitimately, but I misread: they are passed along by the mother, so it would stay in the proper species. (the example given in NP's guide is 2 bibarel breed. Mother has Simple, father has Unaware, so offspring is a Bidoof with Simple.) So I was halfway right, but again, thanks for poiinting that out. I guess I ought to not use it much then, huh?--TheCakeIsALie 02:51, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I just did a test run breeding two Kadabras, both with the ability Inner Focus. They successfully bred an Abra with the ability Synchronize. This proves that, at least for HeartGold, ability is not passed down by either parent. --Kerrick 17:23, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

I can't actually PROVE this, but in my experience, the Everstone seems to have a similar effect on Abilities to the one it has on Natures. So, assuming that the mother is not a Ditto, and there is a chance between the two Abilities, and the mother is holding an Everstone, there appears to be a better than 50% chance that the child will have the same ability. I have no idea how to formally prove this, but if someone could either explain to me how to prove it, or simply look into it themselves, it would be appreciated.--Xatu 03:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Tauros & Miltank

Can anybody confirm for certain that their eggs are supposed to be 50% Tauros and 50% Miltank? I've personally hatched 11 eggs from a Tauros and a Ditto, and all of them were Tauros, which means I must be exceptionally unlucky if half of them are supposed to be Miltank. FYI, I'm playing Diamond where Miltank are rarer than Tauros (the opposite is true in Pearl). I thought it would be easier to breed a Miltank than catch one. Drapion 17:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the 50-50 chance thing is only if you breed a Miltank with Ditto; all of Tauros's kids with Ditto will be Tauros. Fsilone 22:29, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

There is no way in any of the games for Tauros to hatch from a Miltank egg, or for Miltank to hatch from a Tauros egg. MorningStar edited this page with a note indicating otherwise as early as in March 2006, which is to say without knowledge of Diamond and Pearl. I believe no one bothered to fix it then due to the possibility of that holding true in the upcoming games, and since their release everyone has assumed the statement to be true because it was on the page so early on. Regardless of the reason, this note should have long been removed; it is easy to verify that even when breeding Miltank and Tauros together in the latest games, the product is still always a Miltank. I have done so for the sake of being on the safe side. Unown Lord 13:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I've changed this section of the page. I can confirm empirically (hatched 41 eggs: 28 from a Miltank + Ditto, 13 from a Miltank + various Ground-group Pokes) that you cannot hatch a Tauros from a Miltank egg in Pokemon Pearl, and I assume the same goes for Diamond; based on Unown Lord's comments I am assuming this applies to all the games. If it turns out you can, then feel free to revert the page - I haven't hacked the code, this is entirely based on testing, so it's possibly that I was extremely unlucky and happened to get 41 eggs that all hatched Miltank purely by chance, but I think that's unlikely.
The only sources I can find online that support the Miltank/Tauros breeding line are either questionable (user FAQs on the Marriland forum that contain other errors) or based on this site. Castorquinn 22:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Ditto + Ditto?

Someone settle something for me: Can you breed Ditto with Ditto? - Cassius335

No. I tried. - MacGyver

Thanks. *notices the Discussion page for Ditto and wonders why he didn't look there in the first place*. - Cassius335

Then how are there wild ditto if they can't breed together? Do they spontaneously appear or something? Chuck67322 05:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Ditto looks like a big pile of goo, maybe over time they split in half like bacteria. Darkcloud1111 00:57, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Technical Question

Do the natures of the parents make any difference on whether or not they will produce an egg? I'm trying to get my Dragonite to give Outrage to a new Gible, and the old man in Solaceon says they don't like eachother at all... Obviously that's not good, but why, and what can I do to change it?

At all? ..are you sure you're breeding a Dragonite with a complete haxxmacheen Garchomp? Cause I do believeth that Garchomp and Dragonite can breed. o_o; Tina 04:07, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Not at all? You sure? Pretty much always when they're in the same egg group, they'll breed. TTEchidna 05:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I have had similar problems. Sometimes I always make sure to check the Egg Groups before I attempt breeding, but every once in a while, the Daycare Man in Diamond tells me that they dislike each other. (oops, forgot to sign) --Dual 05:09, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

There's no problem at all, peeps! If 'They don't like each other very much' it doesn't matter! AS long as they don't totally despise each other that's okay. I tried Ditto with my Lucario (TTE said it would work) and it worked altough they didn't like each other! Agent #448 | 09:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Why do I feel compelled to respond to this comment by saying "Rape!"Mystrich 06:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The message “They don´t seem to like each other much.” indicates that the Pokémon are of different species but have the same trainer IDs, which means that out of all breedable Pokémon pairs, they have the lowest chance of producing an egg. This lower chance translates to a statistically longer period of waiting until the Daycare man hands you the egg, but nothing beyond that. Unown Lord 10:25, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it means that it's sort of like when two people pretend to hate each other but they really love each other but don't know it themselves. Eventually they find what they have in common and fall in love. TorchicBlaziken (talk) 15:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Question

"However, there are two pairs of Pokémon species where the male and female are treated as different Pokémon. In these cases, the egg may hatch into either the male or female species:

Would this also be true in the case of Tauros and Miltank? Could a Miltank have an egg containing Tauros? Just asking cause it's not listed in the article. --ケンジガール 10:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Would it be true to say that only the female can lay and egg that could be either? I tried breeding a Nidoran♂ with a Ditto to get a but I just ended up with a dozen ♂s. I did succesfully get a Volbeat from an Illumise. Oh, and Tauros and Miltank are also linked.. Woodland Mudkip 11:02, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Your first assertion is correct, and has thus been added to the page. As noted in a paragraph above by myself, Tauros and Miltank are simply not linked. It seems to me that the disillusion of not having a calf-like Pokémon as a pre-evolution to both, has caused a multitude of fans to believe in some fabricated indication that one is forthcoming. Unown Lord 06:24, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

TMs

Can you pass down TM moves that weren't learned by TM? I'm going to breed my male Banette with Will-O-Wisp (Learned naturally) with a female Drifloon, and I'm wondering if it'll pass down Will-O-Wisp... Tinaδ 20:10, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Yep. It's what I do so as to save TMs from being used. TTEchidna 23:47, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Languages

Is this encyclopedia in American English or Commonwealth English? Becuase the most recent edit was from "travelling" to "traveling", or Commonwealth to American.

Yea, we're American (well, I think. Ask and admin. I'm pretty sure we're American English). --Theryguy512 12:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I as actually gonna do something else on the page after editing that (since Firefox does the red line under words that aren't in its dictionary), but I got distracted by something else and just decided "eh."
But really, Bulbapedia's got contributors from all over. Though, well, American spelling's used in the games throughout their English release, as far as I know. They don't go through all the text changing the spelling of a few words, and I certainly didn't intend for my edit to be just that. It was more just "hey, look, red line. Fix that and... um... what else was I gonna do?" TTEchidnaGSDS! 16:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Inbreeding

What is it? OptimatumTalk|11:19 13 Mar 2008

...Don't ask. You don't wanna know. TTEchidna 05:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Inbreeding is when closely related individuals mate and have children. It's very taboo in human culture but animal breeders do this with certain breeds of an animal, like dogs. It's not a good idea for people inbreed because recessive genes could be more pronounced and genetic defects can occur. - PDL

Told ya you didn't wanna know. TTEchidna 00:25, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
The PRima Games guide states that inbreeding is impossible in Emerald. Proves that you can't trust Prima. Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links13:12 5 Sep 2008
Well you can in the games, I'm Inbreeding all my Pokémon that I bead in the first place. Random Chaos Was here 01:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Uhh yeah

Uhm. This is weird, but i've had two weird things happen with breeding that make little sense. Like, first, this happened today, i put my Shieldon and Cranidos in the day-care (one female, the other male) and the old man said "These two prefer too play with other Pokémon" and i like, i came back too get them and they'd had an egg, and last time i checked, "They prefer too play with other Pokémon" meant they weren't going too have an egg (i took the egg anyway). Uhm, the second thing, which is really weird, happened a few months ago on my Pokémon Emerald, i put my male Charizard and male Blaziken in the Daycare (cos i'm too lazy too train them myself) ...and they had an egg |: Last time i checked, Guy + Guy does not = baby/egg |: I'm 100% sure they we're both male. I was pretty sure it was just a glitch in the game, but i was wondering if it's happened too anyone else? (also, the egg was a normal Torchic, normal stats, normal moves, nothing weird/glitch-y about it)

~ Takoto

Wow... That's really weird Darkmaster0

Obviously 006 and 257 adopted. I guess they don't mind adoption by same-sex couples in Sinnoh. Zurqoxn 00:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
The thing that happened with Charizard and Blaziken happened on Emerald (: If they adopted, where did they adopt from? O: Takoto


|: It happened, again, only this time; Leafgreen. Someone please tell me that Umbreon and Caterpie are somehow in the same egg group. Scratch what i said earlier, I'm almost sure that the Blaziken/Charizard thing happened on LeafGreen, not Emerald |: *totally remembered after i posted that xD Uh soooo yeah, i think the Breeding's glitch'd up in my LeafGreen...Well, it wasn't even originally mine, it was my Cousins |: But I'm sure he didn't cheat or anything too make every Pokémon breed with every other Pokémon. Plus i did some test; i tried too breed some Pokémon and they didn't breed, the Legendaries didn't (I actually wanted a level 5 Mewtwo xD at one point) But yeah \: Is my games breeding system glitched up or is it just....oddities? Takoto 15:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I would say you somehow glitched your game. Been using AR/GS/whatever? TTEchidna 16:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Shake head* I've never used Action reply or Game shark on my Leafgreen...

Length of time to breed

After getting frustrated by the time it took to breed on my old silver version, I looked around for information on how long it takes two pokemon to have an egg, and I found this site. This is information I think bulbapedia needs. The problem is, I don't have any other sources on it, it doesn't say if the formula holds true for later Gens as well, and the author admits that his numbers are estimates. Does anyone know anything about this topic? Cheesus Is Lord 22:09, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Female Eevees

Hi I've tried to breed my Eevee several times but everytime time I do I get male Eevees and I kinda wanna have a female one, I was wondering if there's any way to force an egg to hatch into a female pokemon r something, I've tried hatching it in Foarama town like I read somewhere but that didnt work.. Having said that I did get a female Eevee once but it was very random

12.5% chance of getting female Eevee. You were just unlucky. Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links13:14 5 Sep 2008

Multiple eggs

I've been hatching several eggs at a time (getting three eggs, storing the parents, and then running up and down), and the number of steps in between hatches is always a multiple of 255, with 510 as the minimum (recent numbers are 510 and 1275). The steps between picking up the eggs are as low as 256, and I was carrying around Camerupt with Magma Armor. The numbers don't make sense unless there's some delay added to the other eggs when picking up eggs or hatching them, or some other weird hidden factor. Game is Pearl, by the way, and I've been using a Mach Bike. --Raijinili 04:55, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Tutored moves

Can they be passed on to children like TM moves? I know I tried it once, but I can't remember the result. Anybody know for certain? Either way, whether it works or not, it should probably be mentioned in this article or move tutor (or both). Zurqoxn 13:42, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think they can unless they're egg moves (Outrage from Salamence to baby Charmander) or shared by both father and child, the child's in its level-up set, while the mother also knows it. TTEchidna 14:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Off the top of my head, I believe that it's possible in Crystal, but only in Crystal. At least, that's what I remember, maybe I should double-check this for myself though... --Blaziken257 18:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
The article is a bit ambiguous on this point, it says "And starting in crystal, move tutor moves" in brackets under section 1.3.3 (passing moves down) - which could mean "only in crystal", or it could mean "from crystal onwards". Currently, in Soul Silver, I'm breeding a Cyndaquil with extrasensory, and I tried to teach it heat wave at the same time (to save me tutoring it later) by breeding a Vulpix that knows it from Growlithe (egg move). Vulpix had Extrasensory and Heat Wave (and flamethrower and fire spin) when I bred it with Quilava, but the resulting Cyndaquil only knew extrasensory and flamethrower, despite the fact that Cyndaquil can be tutored Heat Wave (I wasn't expecting Fire Spin though). I think this means that move tutor moves are NOT passed down, but TMs are passed down no problem. I'd quite like to hear from anyone who's done a bit more research into this though - it might just be a flaw in the way I did the breeding (though I doubt it, since Extrasensory worked out fine). Oh - and I think that section should also include information about ditto-move-breeding. I know moves held by females aren't carried down when breeding with ditto - do male+ditto couples pass on moves held by the male, like normal? NLawson 04:20, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Just ran into this, and had it also confirmed by Wild Eep and Zhorken (of Smogon and veekun, respectively). Tutor moves only get passed down in Crystal. I'm changing this. En-Cu-Kou 21:33, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

POSSIBLE SPADING SOLUTION!!!

I don't know, but according to Smogon, there's some sort of step counter that resets at 255. Follow this link for more info. http://www.smogon.com/dp/articles/breeding_guide_part2#steps_required TorchicBlaziken (talk) 15:24, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow. I'm surprised that Smogon has a guide on stuff that has nothing to do with battling, and it has stuff that this wiki doesn't have. Anyway, I'll read it and try to incorporate it into this page.
What's the policy on crediting, anyway? --Raijinili 01:49, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Confused

On this page, it says that Nidorina and Nidoqueen can't be breed whatsoever, but here it says that they can. Which one is true? Jacce 19:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

You misread the trivia, it says that "for some reason their male counterparts can", which, of course, does not make sense. Sean... Lord of the Shadows!!! 23:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Shiny breeding

Hey, I got a shiny male Tentacruel, and a female Corsola, the shine-effect will be given to the baby Corsola?
Homie 15:26, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Not unless you're playing Gold/Silver, in which case there would be a higher chance of shininess. ΘρtιmαtumTalk 15:27, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Everstone

Can we punt/delete the Gen IV sentence that says that the Everstone trick doesn't work anymore? It still does and I've done it several times. Rappak 20:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure? Notice that it says it doesn't work when the two Pokémon are from different language cartridges. E.g., it doesn't work if you try to breed an American Pokémon and a Japanese Pokémon together. — Laoris (Blah) 20:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Let me double check the foriegn, but I know it works with two pokemon of the same cartridges. I'm almost positive it still works. Rappak 21:20, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it does work with two Pokémon from the same cartridge, but not with two foreign Pokémon, and that is what the article is referring to. — Laoris (Blah)

Inbreedible Pokemon?

Okay so I have this male Charizard that I want to breed so I can send the Charmander over to my Leaf Green Version. I put it in the daycare with SEVERAL DIFFERENT Dittos, each with a different nature. All of them did not have interest in my Charizard or vice-versa. I looked up the nature and noticed that it had a LAX nature (Charizard). Do I need a certain natured ditto or something to be able to breed? --Blaziken=Tahu 03:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Lack of interest does not mean they won't make an egg. The Dark Fiddler - ¿Nos hablamos? 22:25, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Just wait a bit longer and take any further "how do I/what do I/where do I" game related questions to the forums. — THE TROM — 22:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

what was the exact message the guy said? if he said "they dont seem to like each other" that means they will still breed but it just takes a little while longer, if he said "they prefer to play with other pokemon" then they cant breed and never will Happizelpom 22:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

These quotations need to go in the article. — THE TROM — 22:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

yep, they'll still breed. Thanks alot everyone. --Blaziken=Tahu 23:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Genders

When are they defined for the egg, when it is received or when it hatches? Anastius 10:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by "defined".--Clarky13 10:18, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
In the game data - the user wishes to know if once the player receives the egg, the gender of the hatched Pokemon has already been set. In my experience, yes, along with the nature. But I could have just been really unlucky. — THE TROM — 20:54, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
It is definitely set when it hatches. I have hatched an army of Scyther (trying to get one with a "Rash" nature) and the gender and nature were always the same for the pokemon, even if i saved the game before it hatched, had it do so, and restarted it. So yes, gender and nature are determined when the Egg is conceived. Also, if makes since if you think about the hereditary moves, TM it can learn, etc when you pick which Pokémon you want to breed to get the egg. --Blaziken=Tahu 20:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
The gender is determined at the same time as the other data of the pokémon (nature, stats, ability...). It depends on the generation. In some games it is determined when you give your pokémon at the daycare if they can breed, in others when the man gives you the egg. -- Gpm (talk) 12:42, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Egg Moves

How are egg moves determined? I mean, theres a list of moves that can be learned by pokemon by breeding for each pokemon. Was that found out by testing, and so its possible there are others it could learn, or is there a certain list of moves that a pokemon can use determined by the game and so anything thats not listed can't ever be learned? (MaoDaAmargura 01:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC))

its shown in the official Guide books, and some are made off of users testing it. EG tangela has an unlisted moveDCM((Mock MeEdits)) 02:48, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
It's also in the game's internal coding. — THE TROM — 06:31, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but i think hes referring to how we found it. Not all of us can access the coding, I assure you.DCM((Mock MeEdits)) 01:33, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I dont get it........

I had a male machamp which knew Revenge, cross chop, karete chop and dynamicunch but when i bred it with a ditto the baby only knew its starting moves(low kick and leer) i'mpretty sure machop can learn all of my machamps moves what happend--Bulbsur-ivysaur-venusaur 20:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

try breeding with a female machoke UltamateCharizard 20:56, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Need Explaination

In the Trivia section it reads, "No negative effects occur from inbreeding Pokémon in Generation III and Generation IV, despite this being impossible in Generation II." Can someone please explain this statement? - Zedd 17:49, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

It may be referencing that, in real life, inbreeding can lead to developmental problems in the newborns, and so no such issues (always poor IVs, for example, or crappy natures) would occur in the Pokemon games. The second part is straightforward; you cannot breed a parent Pokemon with its offspring in G/S/C. I'm not sure if sibling breeding is allowed, however. Starscream 14:05, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Is it mentioned anywhere in the article, other than in the trivia, about inbreeding being impossible in Generation II? I skimmed over the article and saw nothing, but I might be wrong. I suggest, if it isn't already there, someone do a little segment on this, as I didn't really notice this in-game and it's kinda interesting. I'd do it myself, but I don't know much about the breeding of Generation II, and I've lost Crystal right now, and my emulators are too laggy to play on my laptop. ~~Takoto - サソデイ 15:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
@Star - Sibling breeding is allowed, the mechanics that prevent Parent-child breeding are related to IVs (or DV, as they were caled back then) and there is no relation on opposite sex siblings' IVs in GSC.
@It does, in the "Inheriting stats" section. Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 15:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Actually, there is debate among scientific circles as to the validity of superstitions that inbreeding causes developmental defects. While more recent articles focus more on how this does lead to homozygosity and an increase in recessive alleles, an article from the Dept of Biostatistics study concludes that, "No significant differences existed in the incidence of congenital anomalies among offspring between the consanguineous and non-consanguineous marriages in the rural or in the urban area." (Rao and Inbaraj, 1980). This doesn't necessarily write out its nature as a taboo subject in non-scholarly circles, but please enjoy just one of many scholarly articles on the subject, this one by the Dept of Biostatistics found in the Journal of Medical Genetics: Inbreeding effects on fetal growth and development I admit it's an older article, but newer articles tend to focus on studied genetic changes other than "defects".- unsigned comment from PharosAM (talkcontribs)

It states that there are no negative effects in Generations III and IV. Is this also accurate for Generation V? Does this mean there are negative effects in Generation V? Theviolinkid 01:23, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Tauros and Miltank again

From the article: Note that while Miltank and Tauros are considered to be the female and male of the same species in the canon, for the purposes of breeding they are separate species

In what canon, exactly, are they considered "male and female of the same species"? Wouldn't, by nature of the fact that they cannot breed with each other to produce baby Tauros or Miltank, they NOT be Starscream 20:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

??? They can breed with each other to produce baby Miltank... But I agree, not the same species, would like to hear what canon says so. Also, that bit about Volbeat and Nido♂ breeding with Ditto is interesting, Pokémon must have ZW sex chromosomes. --LaprasBoi 22:48, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Hatched Genders

Has anyone figured out when a newly-hatched Pokémon's gender is set? Does it happen at the time of the egg's conception, or does it happen when it's hatched? --Dual 03:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

When it's received from the daycare. tc²₆tc26 03:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

A question about IVs...

In HGSS, by using the EV Enhancers you can choose to pass a specific IV from a parent to their offspring. My question is this: Is it possible to have the passed down IV overwriten if the other parent passes down a higher IV of the same stat? For example, If I was trying to breed a Bronzong with a speed IV of zero and I used a Power Anklet to pass the zero stat from one parent, could the other parent then pass down it's higher speed IV, overwriting the IV I actually wanted? ~ Ender Phoenix 00:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Me and some friends confirmed this by accident a while back when trying to breed for IVs. Furthermore, a lower IV can replace a higher one, which is what actually happened in our experiences. In my case, I was trying to breed a perfect Attack/Speed Scyther with Jolly nature from a perfect attack Scyther (holding a Power Bracer) and a perfect speed Volbeat (holding a Power Anklet). The first Jolly Scyther I got had perfect speed, but imperfect attack. Upon checking the Volbeat's IVs, it had indeed inherited the Volbeat's attack IV, overwriting the IV passed on by the Power Bracer. I think what this means is that the EV training items just force the first one or two IVs that are chosen (depending on how many you;re using) and then the last one/two is/are chosen randomly with the possibility of overwriting the previously passed IV(s). Anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and edit this into the article (minus the details of the experiment).
- Sensei Hanzo 15:16, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Talking to the daycare

Does talking to the daycare man outside to see how your pokémon are getting along have an effect on getting an egg? Cause I was cycling for quite a while and then I figured I should at least see how compatible my pokémon are with each other (which was "They don't seem to like each other very much" or something), then I went back to cycling around. My first lap and he has an egg, so is it just my luck or a requirement? Thanks in advance :) Adam0935 05:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

No. The rate of getting an egg from a couple is explained here. It's all to do with species and ID number - you got lucky this time! —darklordtrom 05:59, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Held Items

Can a pokemon carry a held item when it has been hatched? I'm playing on HeartGold and I just caught Chansey in safari zone which took me freaking forever, about 3 hours. so if you kept breeding Chansey could one of the new pokemon be carrying a Lucky Egg. I really don't want to have to go around and catch another 19 Chansies if it's gonna take as long as the first one. User:Greenlikeblue 9:52, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Er, no. I'm pretty sure that won't work. Sorry Takharii ~ Talk! 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Everstone and Nature inheritance from non-Ditto males in Diamond/Pearl

Under the "Inheriting Natures" section, it says: "In Generation IV inheriting Nature was changed a little. Whichever Pokémon is holding an Everstone will pass down its nature, regardless of gender, or whether it is breeding with a ditto."

The "regardless of gender" bit is problematic. It contradicts Smogon University's Breeding Guide (Part II), which states:

"In EDP, if a female Pokémon is holding the item Everstone and breeds with a male Pokémon, the baby will have a 50% chance of having the same nature as the female Pokémon. This also works if the Pokémon holding Everstone is Ditto."

I am playing Diamond. To test, I've attempted to breed a Cubone with the Lonely nature by using a male Nidoran (Lonely nature) and a female Cubone (Hardy nature). The male Nidoran is holding an Everstone while in the Daycare. So far, it has produced 29 Cubones, spanning 17 different natures, none of which have the Lonely nature.

While some players may have been successful with this method on HG/SS, I think the page should say that it may work in HG/SS but not in D/P. Fyda 22:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I think you might just be misreading the paragraph... it's pretty widely known and obvious that males will never have a 50% chance of passing natures, in any game. Paragraph probably just needs rewording for clarification... unfortunately I'm terrible at that. orz ▫▫ティナ 22:20, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that's the thing—I didn't expect it to be true, and testing it proved that it was definitely not true in Diamond. I think the offending sentence on the page is just plain wrong, but there's a citation for it, which points to a forum thread where people claim to have gotten the Everstone trick to work on males for passing down their natures. Assuming they're not posting misinformation, I was wondering if this was a recent change to the Everstone trick that only occurred in HG/SS, while still not working in D/P/Pt. Right now the paragraph needs to be changed, and what I'd like to determine is whether it's A) completely false for any game in the series, or B) true only for specific games. Fyda 07:18, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, something's definitely wrong with the Generation IV natures part. On HeartGold I've had an adamant Ditto holding an Everstone and an Adamant Croagunk breeding. I hatched countless eggs and none of the Croagunks had an adamant nature. I get the feeling that breeding two pokemon with the same nature will NEVER result in a pokemon with that nature. I tried using a Croagunk with a naughty nature. none of the four Croagunks had an adamant nature. So that part where it talks about an everstone always passing on a nature is wrong. Does anyone have an idea how the everstone works in Gen IV? --Greenlikeblue 05:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Flame Body & Magma Armor

"[...] Additionally, in Pokémon Emerald, if any Pokémon with Flame Body or Magma Armor is in the front of a player's party [...]" As far as I'm concerned, they don't have to be in the first spot for the ability to work. Can anyone confirm this? --Arty2 08:52, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I thought they had to be next to the egg... —darklordtrom 23:32, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Just tested it myself in Platinum: any team spot is fine for the effect to work. I think it's safe to assume it's been the same in Emerald too.Arty2 05:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Lists of egg moves

(Not actually about this page, rather about lists of moves learned by breeding, e.g. Pichu (Pokémon)#By breeding.) Two questions:

Firstly, where does the list of fathers come from? Is it programmed into the game that a given Pokémon can have a move passed down from X, Y or Z, or is it simply a list of all Pokémon that could both father this Pokémon and legitimately have the move?

Secondly, why do we have lists of egg moves for Pokémon which cannot be the product of breeding, e.g. Raichu (Pokémon)#By breeding? Does this data exist in the game, and if so, how would one exploit it? Or have we merely copied the egg moves of its pre-evolved form? In the former case the list seems unnecessary, in the latter it seems both unnecessary and erroneous. Smithers888 22:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The second one I can more or less answer. I would assume that it's there for convenience.--Black Yin Zekrom 22:38, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

The answer to your first question is that yes, it's just a list of all Pokémon which could both father the Pokémon and legitimately obtain the move. The answer to your second question is that the list is indeed copied from the pre-evolution's egg moves.
Both of these are for convenience, as Black Yin Zekrom explained. The lists of potential fathers would otherwise need to be obtained by comparing the list of Pokémon which could have the move and the list of which egg moves the desired Pokémon would have, which would be a lot of work which ought to be done by us beforehand, if we intend for people to use this site as a resource. The lists of egg moves for evolved Pokémon helps people who are building a competitive team to find which moves a fully-evolved Pokémon would have, without having to reference its first stage. It is extraneous, but it's also helpful for people who use Bulbapedia to make decisions regarding their games. --AndyPKMN 23:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
The first part is as I suspected. For the second part, I understand the reasoning, however it doesn't work completely. A player still has to browse the pre-evolved form's page to discover, for example, that Raichu could have Discharge, but only by level up as a Pikachu. --Smithers888 20:17, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Well then, of course they would look it up or do research.--Black Yin Zekrom 02:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

I think you have a point. Perhaps you ought to raise the question with a staff member (I'd ask TTE, as he's the editor-in-chief and does a lot of work on the page layout for Pokémon articles). --AndyPKMN 11:37, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Generation II breeding

Is Parent/offspring breeding COMPLETELY off the table in these games? Seems to me the only check is the IV one, but there are scenarios where it could be bypassed. For example, a male breeds with Ditto and produces a female. The male and Ditto obviously have different Defense and Special IVs (or Special +/- 8), and so the male parent and female offspring should also have different Defense and Special IVs. In this case, since they'd share the same egg groups, the game should allow them to breed, correct? Starscream 22:00, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Abilities Redux: Hidden abilities

As mentioned at the beginning of the talk page there was previous rumors abilities could be passed down, but according to this, with the new hidden abilities this actually seems to be the case. So shouldn't this be included on the page? Tasty Salamanders 09:27, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Out of 16 eggs with a Ditto and a Nidoran Female with Hustle, none of them hatched to have Hustle. Not impossible, but improbable. I have also not had it occur for any of my other Pokemon with Dream World abilities, out of 60-ish eggs total. I'd say this warrants further checking, but I'm inclined to think that they do not pass on through Ditto. TheBeardedRobot 06:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
They don't, it was also researched by Smogon as far as I remember. Breeding with Ditto will never result in ofspring inheriting DW ability (Though it's unknown, how Ditto with it's own Hidden ability will work). — ∀ЫъГѣTalk page 10:39, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious about the probability of the child inheriting the mother's Dream World ability, too. To test it, I've bred and hatched 30 Shinx eggs from my female Luxray (originally from the Dream World) and a traded male Stoutland. My personal results are as follows:

The gender split is typical for their species, and so is the Intimidate/Rivalry split. But I also happen to have 60% of them born with the mother's Dream World ability, Guts. (All 30 were born with the father's specific moveset of Fire/Ice/Thunder Fang and Crunch.) This implies that the chance of a mother passing down her Dream World ability via breeding is somewhere in the range of 1 in 2, 2 in 3, or 3 in 5. Does anyone have (or know of) more samples to establish the probability with? --Stratelier 20:38, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

PS: Smogon states a probability of 40%, and a few other varied discussion threads echo that number, but as my one experiment is a fairly large deviation from that I am not sure. And Serebii.net merely says "a high chance", whatever that means. ----Stratelier 21:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Baruchai and Barujiina

About the part of Illumise and Nidoran doing eggs of they counterparts... anyone tried to get Washibon and Wargle eggs from Baruchai and Barujiina, because their pages say that they are counterparts. I tried to breed a Baruchai and my male Kenhorou but no luck, although i only tried once. --EzekielMaple 00:51, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Wargle, along with Nageki, Dageki, Tauros, and the Hitmons, is one of the few gendered non-legendary Pokémon naturally occurring in the wild that cannot reproduce without a Ditto. Frozen Fennec 00:55, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Power Items in HGSS

According to this article, in HGSS Power items will always pass corresponding stat, but I'm certain, it's happening not always. Baby still has a chance to have random IV in stat even if its parrent is holding Power Item that passes IV of that stat. Was breeding mechanic really researched fully? — ∀ЫъГѣTalk page 08:05, 23 February 2011 (UTC)


Did you have power items on both parents? If so, it will randomly choose 1 parent to pass on the stat iv that correlates to the power item. If the other passes too, it was luck. Destroyed locomotive (talk) 14:29, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Twins?

Is it possible to get twins in Pokémon Black and White? I caught an Altaria in White and bred it with a Ditto to get a Swablu, but when I picked up the egg, the Daycare Man gave me another one immediately afterwards. —ShounenSuki 12:47, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Immediately? As in you didn't even take a single step in between receiving each egg? That would be interesting if you or someone else can confirm it. --AndyPKMN (talk) 14:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
I've had an egg given to me and then went straight down and he called me again before I reached the stairs, so the minimum of 256 steps between eggs doesn't seem to apply this generation. Pikiwyn talk 14:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Immediately immediately. He gave me the first egg, then I wanted to go into the daycare to grab my Altaria, but I accidentally talked to him again (or it happened automatically) and he gave me the second egg. I didn't take a single step. —ShounenSuki 07:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
This has also happened to me. I picked up a Litwick egg, then took two steps down and he called out to me saying he had another egg.
Something else has happened too, a good three times now I've had one egg hatch, I'd then a single step only to have yet another egg hatch. Something is fishy here. Tylian 21:49, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
The number of steps taken for an egg to hatch is determined in cycles of 256, each 256 steps you take makes the number of cycles still needed decrease by one, so if for example you receive an egg when the game is in the 1st step of a cycle and then get another egg within the same cycle (within 255 steps) the two eggs' will reach a cycle of 0 at the same time, and since two eggs can't hatch at the same time, the game hatches it on the next step. So if you get two eggs shortly after each other they'll hatch one step after one another. Pikiwyn talk 22:10, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
It seems the number of steps for determining whether you get an egg or not has been drastically lowered in B/W. Both me AND my girlfriend were breeding to trade eggs, and the old man yelled to us before we could start running around to get the chance for an egg to appear. It seems in practice the egg creation check is after every step now, but I can't verify that until I start breeding more eggs. --KingStarscream 18:03, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I had the same in Sapphire (or Emerald, I forget which). After picking up my egg, I kept mashing A and ended up with two eggs. So I took no steps between getting my eggs. —darklordtrom 03:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Almost reminds me of the time I was breeding Lapras in my White. By the time I walk into the Daycare to fetch my Lapras after receiving one Egg, the lady informs me her husband was looking for me -- violô, second egg. Not twins though; I must've crossed an egg cycle threshold during those 10 or so steps because the eggs hatched one cycle apart from each other. --Stratelier 07:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Nidoran♂/Ditto pairing in Gen V produces Nidoran♀

The breeding page states "However, there are two pairs of Pokémon species where the male and female are treated as different Pokémon. In these cases, an egg produced by the female species may hatch into either the male or female variant; however, breeding the male species with Ditto will not produce the female counterpart." In White, I have definitely bred a Nidoran♂ (received from the Dream World and definitely not hacked) with Ditto and received the female counterpart. I've reproduced this several times, and it seems the chances between male and female are about 50/50. I do not know if Volbeat/Illumise are now the same way. Has anyone else tested this? Childowind 00:36, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I definitely got a female Nidoran from breeding Ditto with my shiny Nidoking. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 21:54, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Gen V Old man doesn't call out when party is full

Has anyone else noticed this? When my party is full in Black version, the old man doesn't call out to me even if he has an egg for me. I've had times where I've gone five or ten minutes waiting for all my eggs to hatch, and once I drop them all into the PC, I'll walk outside and talk to him and he has an egg for me. But he never called out to tell me he had one.

I just wanted confirmation before I added it to the page. PhantomJunkie 16:27, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I can confirm that. Pikiwyn talk 16:30, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Probably a nooby question

If you breed two different pokemon of the same egg group, is it completely random which of the two the egg will produce? Ex. Snivy + petilil = random? Em Jae 03:03, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The baby born will be the base species of the female. So in this case, if the female was Petilil, the baby will be a Petilil. :--SuperAipom7 (Questions?) 03:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. That was probably in the article and I missed it or something.. lol Em Jae 05:08, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Gender?

What determines the egg's gender? Is it random, or is it calculated somehow? More specifically, I'm trying to get a female Chikorita in Generation II by breading a Bayleaf (didn't check gender) with a Ditto and I keep getting males. Am I just unlucky?--Winmaster 20:37, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

The chances of a Pokémon being male or female is determined by their gender ratio, you should get 1 female Chikorita for every 7 males. Pikiwyn talk 08:40, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Nidoking & Ditto

In this article, it says that a male Nidoran and a Ditto can produce both male or female Nidoran. But what happens if you put a Nidoking and a Ditto at day-care? They can still produce both female and male Nidoran? Caciulacdlac 14:26, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Its actually just a female Nidoran that can produce either gender, but Rina and Queen will produce none. (Eddiefiv 04:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC))

TWINS!!!!

In my attempts to breed a half-decent Lucario, I had an odd happening. Driving back and forth on route three, I talked to the Old man after he called me over, and clicked through what was said- and the conversation terminated. Figuring I might have done something wrong, I reopened the conversation, and checked through again, and the conversation fired off. Checking my Party, I found I had received two eggs.

No cheats have been used in this game. At all. Just plain Black and white, new from the store- not used. level 70 Throh, Superb IV as told by Judge, and level 50ish Lucario, Above average.

Twins hatched, both were different pokemon with slightly different IVs as told by Judge in the battle subway. They have different natures as well. They hatched one immediately after the other. Flamingcanine 01:15, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Platinum Rules

I know in the article that it says the breeding system from Emerald carried into Diamond and Pearl, but does that also mean the same breeding system applies to Platinum, or is Platinum's breeding system more like HG/SS? Sasshen 16:08, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

As far as I know, D/P/Pt have the same breeding system, and it was changed starting from HG/SS. Ultraflame 23:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

No Good Natures

I have been breeding for a Duskull with a Calm nature for weeks now and not a single one has been produced with the proper nature. I have a Jolly male Duosion and a Bashful female Duskull in the daycare and I'm sure I've gotten every other nature except this one. I was wondering is there was any effect on the nature of the child without an Everstone. Like, if the natures of the parents effected the nature of the baby. (Eddiefiv 04:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC))

My guess is that you are just unlucky. In order to speed up the process, you can try to find an Calm Abra with Synchronize, and then put that at the front of the party and find a Ditto. The Ditto has a high chance of being calm. Then give that ditto an everstone and breed it with your duskull. Tk3141 03:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Gender

If you're breeding with Ditto, will the gender of the hatched Pokémon be the same as the other parent? I was trying to hatch a male Skarmory (Ditto was one parent, the other a female Skarmory) and it hatched female. Was it just bad luck, or is the gender fixed? KyuremsIceBlade 02:21 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Never mind. I always answer my own questions; it was just my luck. KyuremsIceBlade 16:29 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Twin Pokemon - Coincidences?

I hatched two Axew, one right after the other (this also happened with two Dwebbles I hatched). I got both eggs from the Day Care Man right after each other on the same day at about the same time, too. When they hatch, everything about them was the same - their gender, stats, nature, second nature, moveset, IVs, and ability were all the same. Do twins really occur like this in Pokemon games, or is this just some strange coincidence? Judgement 00:44, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Did he give you them literally one after the other? Or did you walk around a bit to produce another? For me, in Emerald, I hatched about ten of a couple different Pokémon (Charmander, Squirtle, Bulbasaur, & Beldum) and each species was almost all the same gender (usually only 1 different). I guess with the same parents, the ratio usually amounts to the same stats and stuff. -- Pringles 22:47, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I walked around, but the very next egg he have me was identical to the first - everything the same. With the Starter Pokemon, they are usually male anyways, and Beldum doesn't have a gender, so their genders should be the same except for the occasional female starter. But I think twins (with the same stats and everything else) is rare. Judgement (talk) 21:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Breeding moves glitch?

Recently, on my Black version, I was breeding Dratini's with the moves Extremespeed and Dragon Dance, and I noticed something peculiar about how moves are passed down. I started with a male, level 90 Dragonite and a Ditto for parents (the father knew both Extremespeed and Dragon Dance), and the pair produced Dratini's that knew both of these moves. The strange part occurred after I found a more suitable father (for IV's). It was a level 1 Dratini that knew both Extremespeed and Dragon Dance. While it was in the daycare breeding eggs, it also leveled up. I eventually found a better father when the Dratini in the daycare was well over level 30, so it had been forced to forget both Extremespeed and Dragon Dance. However, it never once failed to breed its entire original moveset onto any of the new Dratini's. That is, every Dratini that my parents produced, even when the parents didn't know any of these moves, knew Wrap, Leer, Extremespeed, and Dragon Dance.

I also tested this while breeding Dragon Dance onto Scraggy's. I used one father, from level 1 and with Dragon Dance, to breed until it reached level 18, when it has forgotten Dragon Dance. I checked by saving my game, pulling the Pokemon out, checking its moves, and resetting the DS. Then, I rode around until I received another egg and hatched it. It knew Dragon Dance.

I know my friends struggle to avoid Pokemon forgetting important moves, by taking the Pokemon out at the right time and leveling it up outside of the daycare, but this glitch (or possibly not?) seems to make that unnecessary. I also can't say I've ever seen this discussed specifically on any breeding information guide. True, most guides say the father will pass down moves, but none that I've read say that it will pass down moves it knew and then forgot.

Thoughts? Similar experiences? Brilliance360 (talk) 17:34, 20 July 2012 (UTC)brilliance360

This is a well-known (or so I thought) mechanic. It will always pass down moves according to what it knew when you put it in there. I don't think the game recalculates the moveset until you get it out of the daycare. Destroyed locomotive (talk) 14:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
Not a glitch. From personal experience, this also occurs in Emerald, and I'm going to extrapolate that it probably occurs in breeding for all games Generation III and onwards. Apparently a Pokemon's moveset is recalculated only upon removal from the daycare, and not while it levels up, and it's calculated by taking the Pokemon's current moveset as a list, adding at the end of the list all moves it would've learned while levelling up in order, and then taking the last 4 moves, although I guess that's common knowledge. blow_fly98 (talk) 16:16, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
I just ran into this myself in XY -- I'm currently breeding Eevee. The mother is a Safari-caught Lv.30 Anticipation Eevee an the father is a Lv.1 Eevee (with Wish and Yawn). Every single Egg produced inherited both Wish and Yawn (as well as Covet, which both parents know) despite that by the time I actually took the pair back out, the father had grown about 20 levels and long forgotten both moves. I think this is worth mentioning on a page somewhere.... --Stratelier 16:49, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
that's mentioned in the day care article i believe. Yamitora1 (talk) 10:15, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

bw2 new breeding mechanics

Serebii has published new breeding mechanics for bw2, I know we're not supposed to copy from serebii but here's his source: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4371207 for anyone who wants to add the info. The changes are that the mother now has an 80% chance to pass on it's ability, and everstone will always work. Jmvb (talk) 03:20, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

My Discovery

When I read the article, the section IV inherition doesn't mention about Platinum, so I decided to test it myself, this is my most recent one: Male Togetic holding a Power Belt (defense) the following IVs: 10-18-25-12-24-21

Female Clefairy holding a Power Anklet* the following IV:

16-3-7-5-13-26

The result was a Cleffa with the following IV:

25-30-25-5-13-3

Coincidence? I belive not, this is a great discovery: the new breeding system was introduced in Pt not HGSS*, contrary to the article. And in the EV-Enchancing item page it also must be changed to fit my discovery. Any objections?--Igor (talk) 23:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Forme Breeding

So when you breed say a Shellos (East Forme), with a Shellos (West Forme), what determines what Forme will Result? Will it always be the same forme as the Female? Or is it determined another way?
Creoix 00:23, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

The female. --Abcboy (talk) 00:51, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Black/White 2 - strange IV inheritance behaviour

When I attempted to start IV breeding, I came across some weird things. For example, I was breeding two Horsea with the following IV's:

Horsea 1 (holding Power Weight): 19 / 27 / 20 / 22 / 8 / 23

Horsea 2 (holding Power Lens): 5 / 30 / 20 / 17 / 30 / 19

So imagine my confusion when I leveled up the child a fair bit* and calculated it's IV's:

Horsea 3: 3-6 / 29-31 / 19-22 / 16-18 / 21-23 / 31

It's clear that HP (erroneously), Attack and Special Attack were inherited from Horsea 2, but only Defense was inherited from Horsea 1. So, what's with the IV values for Special Attack and especially Speed?! Certainly in the case of the latter, there was no clear place where these IV's were inherited from.

Were the mechanics changed in B2W2? Or perhaps the ambiguous wording of the article misled me? InterrobangPie (talk) 22:00, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I am sure that only HP and Sp. Atk were inherited, as you used these items. As far as I know, other aren't inherited and are generated normally (though I may be in an error, correct me if I am). Marked +-+-+ (talk) 22:35, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
So what is "generated normally?" The article implies that they one is determined by the EV item, and then two more IV's are chosen from that parent, meaning the child could have 2 IV's determined by held items, and 4 other IV's (2 from each parent). Do you mean to say that if an EV item is held, only 1 EV is derived from the parent, and the other 2 EV's are regenerated - i.e. are given a new value between 0-31? If that's the case, then the page has been very very badly worded. InterrobangPie (talk) 23:21, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
Wait a moment. After reading the page... If it holds item, only two random IVs are inherited, meaning 3 IVs are inherited in all... and now I see that it is really poorly worded in few places. As far as I know, it may mean three IVs (not EVs as items double EV gain, but inherit IVs, as you can't inherit EVs, that'll be too easy) in total, not from each parent. Sp. Def and Speed are different than parents' IVs, so they weren't inherited. I have no idea about HP, though (overrided?). The other three IVs are random, and therefore one of the IVs may coincide. Marked +-+-+ (talk) 10:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Inheriting Abilities section

Am I the only one who finds the text a little confusing? Eevee-Girl (talk) 15:30, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Oval Charm

How much does an Oval Charm increase the chance?--- Pokémon Questions? -- 03:17, 10 January 2013 (UTC)


It barely increases it at all. The numbers go from 20/50/70 to 40/80/88. They aren't percentages anymore though. Far from it. Check out what I posted here:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4551543&postcount=1026

Someone may want to update the article.Bond697 (talk) 20:23, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Non-hidden Abilities

If a female with a non-hidden ability breeds with a Ditto, what are the chances that the child inherits the ability?

The page says that the chance should be normal (ie 50%), but I just breed 21 eggs, of which 4 had the different ability. I may have been unlucky, but I'm changing the page. If we've found something in the game's code that says the contrary, someone change it back. Tk3141 (talk) 01:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

No, change it back. Your extremely limited test is meaningless. Bond697 (talk) 20:28, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Phanpy's Egg moves

I had left a Male swinub (lvl 31) with Ice Shard and a female phanpy (lvl 23) and the daycare in generation four. When i got the egg back, it didn't have Ice Shard and it had endure. I dont know what happened but the swinub had endure and as far as i saw on phanpys gen 4 learnset, it doesnt get endure as an egg move and phanpy doesnt learn it until level 28. does anyone know what hapened here? Mich5643 (talk) 15:48, 18 February 2013 (UTC)


If both parents know endure, since it is a move they both know by level-up, it gets passed down. Delete the move on swinub and ice shard won't get pushed out. I don't remember if the order of the moves matters, but deleting the move altogether should fix it. Destroyed locomotive (talk) 13:39, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Exploiting slopes

"Also, if the player finds a sandy slope the players can hold the "up" button therefore trying to go up. The player will fail unless he or she is not on the bicycle's faster speed, counting as one step. If the player somehow holds this button down for an extended period of time, the Egg would eventually hatch."

But where can we find such slopes? The only place I know in HG/SS that can be used is Cycling Road, which is convenient (hold up for a few seconds, let go for a few seconds, go between an NPC and a wall to ensure you stay on the road) but is there a better spot? HyperHacker (talk) 02:34, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
After some testing, the spin tiles in Viridian Gym seem to work, although very slowly. The day-care man doesn't seem to call you until you leave the gym though. HyperHacker (talk) 08:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
These slopes can be found around Route 111 in Hoenn in R/S/E. I'm not sure if they can be found in Gen IV. Nors (talk) 16:41, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Items that affect breeding

I think it'd be a good idea for someone to create a list of all items that a parent can hold that will affect the offspring or the breeding process in some way. HyperHacker (talk) 08:33, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Ditto breeding and level-up moves.

Are they passed or not? Normally both parents need to know the move, but considering genderless Pokémon... Marked +-+-+ (talk) 15:23, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Multiple Eggs Hatching Simultaneously

In White 2, I had two eggs hatch at the same time. First a Gastly hatched, then after it was finished, the game went back to the overworld, only to immediately go back to the egg hatching screen where a Magikarp hatched from another egg. I also had a Volcarona with Flame Body in my party. Has anyone else experienced this? Is it a glitch, or has this changed in 5th gen so that multiple eggs can hatch at the same time? Nors (talk) 16:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

From what you say, it sounds as though it isn't a glitch - nothing in the game seems to say eggs hatching at the same time is a glitch.NOBODY (talk) 21:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
According to the article, it has been impossible for two eggs to hatch at the same time since Gen III because of the way the game handles the counting of egg cycles (as it says in the section Hatching Eggs). If this isn't a glitch, then this would no longer be true. Nors (talk) 22:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
I've been playing X and breeding heaps, and I've had several double-hatches. They always happen one-step apart and appear to happen on the 255 egg cycle. Also, I've had pokemon hatch 10-20 steps after receiving an egg from the daycare man. The rules have definitely changed, but I don't have concrete data, just what I've observed. Parthon (talk) 05:49, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Brimming with energy?

Ok, so I know when it says the Pokemon are "Brimming with energy," it means that they have the "Same Defense IV and Same Special IV or 8 apart from each other." But what does it mean about the chances for breeding? Will they produce an egg, or not? EllieNeo (talk) 17:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Ditto + Everstone = Other Parent's Stats

I've had this happen twice when trying to breed a better Snivy. This is with White 2. In both cases I had a male Snivy holding nothing and a Ditto holding an Everstone. I'd bike back and forth, picking up 5 eggs (while watching TV :P ) and hatching them, and every single one had the exact same EV and gender -- both in the SUMMARY screen and based on what the EV rater said. I had to take the Everstone off to get random stats (and a female). About an hour later, I got a near-perfect male Snivy with a bad nature, so I tried this again, and it worked. I got my desired nature from the Ditto -and- I duplicated the good stats from the Snivy.

Could someone who can access their save files verify this? It's worth mentioning in the article if I wasn't just insanely lucky six times. Also, does this work with females? Sarysa (talk) 18:55, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Pokeball?

So I was hatching Pokemon in Y when I noticed that my egg was in a Dusk Ball. I had just switched from a ditto (caught in a normal Poke Ball) to a female of the species (Caught in a Dusk Ball). The male is caught in a normal Poke Ball. Have yet to switch games to see if this happens in any other game, but I was just wondering if maybe females accidentally/purposely passed their Pokeball type down when breeding in Gen VI. - unsigned comment from EggtasticTaco (talkcontribs)

Don't forget to sign your talks, but according to Serebii, the female always passes down the Pokéball, and the male never does. --Wynd Fox 02:27, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Don't cite other fansites here, that's actually really rude, not to mention unreliable. But yes, mothers pass down their Poké Ball now. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 02:37, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Luxury Ball cannot be passed down, however. It will hatch with a normal Poké Ball. --GuyPerfect (talk) 04:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
Holy crap, it does now! They might have changed that with the v1.1 update. I specifically tried to breed Eevee during the first week, with both parents having a Luxury Ball, and the offspring were in normal Poké Balls. --GuyPerfect (talk) 18:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Foiled again! I bred a Ditto and Ariados, both in Luxury Balls, and the offspring came out in a normal Poké Ball. This was right after breeding a number of other things, where the offspring were all in their non-Ditto parents' balls. Capturing another Ariados in a Luxury Ball and breeding that with the first Ariados, on the other hand, did produce offspring in a Luxury Ball. This calls for investigation! --GuyPerfect (talk) 18:47, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
It's simple. If either parent is Ditto, the offspring is always in a normal Poké Ball regardless of Ditto's or another parent's Ball (pretty annoying since it prevents getting certain Pokémon in any Ball).--Den Zen 19:06, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
I did some testing, and found the following to be true: if the mother was Ditto, the offspring would be a normal Poké Ball. If the mother was not Ditto, the offspring would be in the same type of ball the mother was in, even Luxury Ball. This was true even when I deleted the v1.1 DLC, meaning I must be misremembering what happened with my Eevee a month ago. --GuyPerfect (talk) 19:44, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
So then what happens in Pokémon X and Y when one breeds a genderless Pokémon with Ditto? Does the offspring inherit any of its parent's Poké Balls, or does the offspring always come inside a standard red-and-white Poké Ball? Fenyx4 (talk) 19:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

TMs No Longer Inherited?

I just bred some Spinarak over here in Pokémon X, in a feeble attempt to yield a shiny, and both the mother and father know the following moves: Psychic, Sludge Bomb, Sucker Punch and X-Scissor, in that order. The hatchlings are coming out with Poison Sting, String Shot, Sucker Punch and Psychic, in that order. Spinarak does learn Sucker Punch at level 26 and Psychic at level 40, which makes sense for those two moves. It can also learn Sludge Bomb and X-Scissor by TM, but those aren't winding up on my offspring. --GuyPerfect (talk) 04:45, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Confirmed, unfortunately :( I just traded over some pokes with TMs onto a new save so that I could breed them and the TM moves aren't there. So far, it's been male Togetic w/ Ditto and male Escavalier w/ Ditto. I triple checked that the babies were able to learn the parents' TMs, but they start with junky lvl 1 moves... Sad day. (_esstha(\)1337 (talk) 23:02, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Well, it'd be a sad day maybe if TMs weren't recyclable now. (-: It made sense to pass down TM moves back when TMs were single-use, but nowadays there's not much of a need. If you want the hatchling to know the move, just use the TM after it hatches. --GuyPerfect (talk) 17:54, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
Well, this is a surprising development... I guess you could just teach the offspring the TM that you want it to learn directly, although this news discourages Trainers who haven't found all of the available TMs in-game yet want to breed with Pokémon (possibly traded) that happen to know TMs as part of their movesets... Fenyx4 (talk) 19:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
I have anecdotal evidence too. I just paired my male Shadow Claw Lucario (Kalos native) with my female Swords Dance Lucario (from HeartGold) and the baby Riolu(s) did not inherit any moves whatsoever, despite that Riolu can learn both moves from TM65 & TM75 which I do have. --Stratelier 06:46, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Ditto will act as the male when breeding with genderless Pokes

There is a method (which I'm not going to explain) floating around online (and I have used it, it works like a charm) on how to get perfect IVs a lot easier, having to do with using the in-game boosting to level 50 function and breeding magikarps...but that's not what is important. The important part relevant to this discussion is which pokemon acts as which gender.

I think its important to note that Ditto will act as the Male when breeding with a genderless pokemon. The method I mentioned before is very gender-specific. Jibbyjackjoe (talk) 07:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

I think it might help if you linked to the method, just in case others want to test for similar results...? Additionally, the gender that Ditto "acts" as during breeding needs some clarification and/or testing (possibly in all generations, excluding Generation 1). By happenstance, in Pokémon Emerald Version, I recently bred a Starmie (with the moveset of Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, Surf, and Recover, 3 of which are TMs in Generation 3) with a Ditto, and the Staryu offspring surprisingly had this moveset: Surf, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, and Harden. I switched the Day-Care "slots" of the Ditto and the Starmie (meaning that Starmie acted as "Parent A" for one breeding session, and "Parent B" for another breeding session); the resulting Staryu offspring also had Surf, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, and Harden. This surprising occurrence leads me to believe that, for Move Inheritance purposes (at least in Emerald Version), when breeding a genderless Pokémon with Ditto, the genderless Pokémon acts as the "male", being able to pass down TMs and HMs that it knows. I'd like to see what the results are in other generations, though. Fenyx4 (talk) 19:36, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Hatching O-Power stacks with flame body and Magma Armor abilities

It would appear that the hatching O-Power does in fact stacks with Flame Body and Magma Armor. I was hatching some Bagon (5 eggs with a Magcargo with Magma Armor) and while it took at or a little more then the 3 minutes the lv 3 O-power lasts, but they did hatch within 3 minutes or so. However, using Lv 1 O-Power, the 3 min time elapsed on the second 5 egg batch and I spent a long long time trying to hatch them after that 3 minutes. Yamitora1 (talk) 09:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Nidos and Volbeat/Illumise

In Gen VI, if I have a female Nidoran with its Hidden Ability, and I breed it with a Ditto or other compatible partner, is it possible to receive a male Nidoran with its Hidden Ability, or will only female offspring have the hidden ability? Same question for Volbeat and Illumise. Drake Clawfang (talk) 23:14, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

For breeding purposes, Nidoran(m/f) and Illumise/Volbeat are considered the same Pokémon and work the same way that other Pokémon work, including passing down hidden abilities. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 23:25, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Drake Clawfang (talk) 23:26, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Destiny Knot + Power item breeding?

I find the current page description confusing; exactly how does it work again and what's this part about one item overriding the other?

I'm trying to visualize it from a procedural standpoint ... e.g:

  1. Baby is initialized with a default set of random IVs.
  2. Overwrite three (or with Destiny Knot, five) IVs with values from either parent.
  3. Power Item overrides one selected value with the corresponding value from the parent.
  4. This is the final set of IVs the baby will be born with.

If I look at it this way, a Destiny Knot absolutely guarantees 5 IV's and a Power Item could potentially pass down the sixth (a 1/6 probability), but I'm sure this is not an accurate explanation of the mechanics.... --Stratelier 02:00, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Destiny Knot influences gender of the baby?

I'm doing some IV breeding with the Power items and Destiny Knot in my Pokemon Y when I noticed something strange -- at first I thought it was just a fluke, but then it starts happening repeatedly ... under the same conditions....

  • While trying to breed some Litleo, I hatched almost 20 female eggs in a row before getting even one male baby (after which I took the parents back). I think the mother was holding a Destiny Knot.
  • I bred about a dozen Smeargle eggs and all but one were female (again, at which point I took the parents back). From a species known to have a 50/50 gender ratio. And the mother was the one holding a Destiny Knot.
  • Out of curiosity, I swap the parents' items and try again, and a quick batch of five eggs turn out to be four males and one female. I'm going back to run some more, but the father was most definitely holding a Destiny Knot this time.

Hypothesis: Thinking there's a 50% chance that if one parent is holding a Destiny Knot, the baby will inherit their gender.

Anyone else want to experiment with this and post what you get? --Stratelier 06:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I've looked around online, and several other people have made the same hypothesis as you. I think it's likely, but I certainly don't feel comfortable giving a specific probability. It's possible that it's just that the personality value is affected in a specific way and there is no universal probability, or the probability could be dependent on gender ratio. --SnorlaxMonster 06:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Well Ratio aside, I did notice something like this with breeding Charmander. We know the species favors males, however when I first started, the Gender ratio was 50-50 for my hatchlings. This might have been because I kept giving Destiny Knot to both parents not knowing who was suppose to hold it ^^;
But once I had a 4IV female on stats where I wanted them, I bred her with my Timid WT Japanese 5IV Charizard Stud (which feels so weird saying/typing that, but that's the technical term when breeding) Later egg batches produced 3 females two 2 males, 4 females to 1 male and switch between. Sometimes I only get 2 females and 3 males, but if my understanding of the ratio is correct, I am more likely to get 4-5 males and 0-1 females. That's not to say I always get at least to females, or even a female at all. Still this deserves to be investigated by people who know math/probability better.Yamitora1 (talk) 13:14, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Ratios cannot switch unless you switch the conditions. The ratio applies to your whole sample. If, when you were breeding the 5IV male with the 4IV female, you hatched 3 batches of 5 eggs, your whole sample is 15 eggs; you do not have 3 different ratios for each batch. Tiddlywinks (talk) 13:42, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

And that there is again why someone with good math skills needs to fully test this. Yamitora1 (talk) 14:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, I've given it a few more breeding runs and it looks like my previous runs are indeed just random flukes (though it does imply Litleo are clearly biased towards females) -- a run of 25 Smeargle (father holding Destiny Knot) produced 14 males and 11 females (56:44%, but this is close to standard) and a run of 25 Fennekin (mother holding Destiny Knot) produced only 3 females (~7:1). So I'm equal parts disappointed (it would've made breeding for gender much easier) and relieved (I can hopefully stop testing it now and get back to normal breeding).
(Mathematical sidenote: Given X trials of a 1-in-X probability, the chances of said probability never happening in that run are roughly 1/e (or 38%). So if you hatched 8 Eevees, expect a 1-in-3 chance you won't have a single female among the whole lot.) --Stratelier 20:23, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I think this deserves a little more investigating. I think to some degree the Destiny Knot does effect gender, just not really big. I keep having huge spells of no females when breeding Charizard, and when I switch the DK to the female I start getting females. Idk if its a fluke, but I personally think the DK does have some power. Yamitora1 (talk) 05:26, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I've been looking over the Pokemon I have hatched in the last month, and it seems that the females (Regardless of which parent held the Destiny Knot) all inherited more stats from their mother than their father. This might be the catalyst or just a very bizarre coincidence.
But the difference between the males and females is that they usually always have the stat(s) that favor the parent with their gender. I mean this isn't 100%, but I have no females that seem to favor the father's inherited stats. Again, this could all be coincidence and circumstantial evidence.
Anyways, of the Pokémon, I noticed that the Charmanders I so diligently hatched over the month which came from nearly identical 5IV parents had a large volume of females in them. The only stat the parents did not have perfect was Attack. They both had the same moves (Flamethrower, Flare Blize, Slash and Dragon Rush) and nature (Timid) so only their Attack stat (which was different for both) and the male being Japanese were the wild cards.
Unfortunately I discovered that the kind of Charizard I wanted (Timid 5IV Shinny with max Speed and Sp. Atk) could not use Dragon Rush to its fullest due to it being a Physical move. Thats when I Bred out Dragon Rush and Bred in Dragon Pulse. This lead to a new problem, I would need a 5IV female with Dragon Pulse to breed with the 5IV japenese Charizard male to produce the 5IV Shiny I wanted so badly. I was able to get a 5IV male Charmander with Dragon Pulse instead of Dragon Rush from 5th generation 3IV parents, However I couldn't get a female. So I started breeding the 5IV male with a 4IV female in hopes of siring a 5IV female with Dragon Pulse so I could resume my attempts for a Timid 5IV Shiny.
This new pair noticeably produced less daughters, and if my theory about inherited stats and the Destiny Knot is correct, this is because the father's stats would always be statically favored. Plus, none of the females in this batch would go beyond 4IV and always were born with stats identical to or close (3IV) to their mother. I bread for 3 days trying to get a female with 5IVs, and had 0 Luck. I had lots of 5IV males and one 6IV males, but no 5IV females.
So after going through all this and reviewing the results.... I am pretty much convinced that which parent holds the Destiny Knot has nothing to do with gender, but instead its what stats are inherited when Destiny Knot is in play. Again this might just be circumstantial.
Hopefully we can get into the game's coding and (no pun intended) decode the mysteries of breeding in gen VI. We should try and research this to see if Stats inherited with the Destiny Knot influences gender even in the slightest. This needs some investigation with sterile testing conditions and someone who is good at statistics. Yamitora1 (talk) 05:58, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure this hypothesis is invalid. I hatched 16 Lapras eggs (50:50 gender ratio), and the father held the knot. I got only seven males. Berrenta (talk) 14:44, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I meant to redact my former statement earlier in the week, after I got 3 female snorlax in a batch of 5. The father was holding the DK, so it all comes down to just plain luck. Yamitora1 (talk) 20:06, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Receive an Egg, go inside, find there is another waiting outside

I'm not sure if this is a glitch or what, but sometimes I will receive an egg from the daycare man, go inside and deposit it, come back out and there he is with another egg. Sometimes I don't even go to the PC, sometimes I try to withdraw the parents so no more eggs are found, only to get told by the daycare lady that her husband was looking for me and outside he has another egg. Is this normal, a glitch or something new? Yamitora1 (talk) 18:19, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

This has pretty much always happened, so I doubt it's a glitch. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 18:25, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
So for a lack of a better word, its just 'luck'?
I was somewhat also wondering if it was some kind of left over egg cycle count or something. I guess not. Yamitora1 (talk) 18:30, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Every 255 steps an Egg has a chance of being made, regardless of if the man's already holding onto one or not. glikglak 18:35, 20 March 2014 (UTC)