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Trouble with Hidden Grotto page

Lady Ariel is showing herself determined to undo my fixes for the roundy bits of the table in the Items in each Hidden Grotto section on the Hidden Grotto page. (I also forgot that other tables on that page need the same fixes, but I'd expect to encounter the same resistance if I try to fix those right now.) Without the changes I made, the roundy templates (Template:roundytl, etc.) end up having no effect whatsoever on the table; you can take out those templates/styles and the table looks exactly the same. In order for them to work, the row cannot have a background color style, and the cells must each have it instead. If you look carefully at the tables in the before and after revisions, you can see that the corners are actually round in the before version with my edits.

Can you impress on Lady Ariel that she has no call to undo those fixes of mine? ...Or am I somehow not as right as I think? Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:20, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Looks like you're right there. Your version is visually the correct one, and it's not like the extra ~250 bytes cause some issues. So I think you can add it back. If Ariel still disagrees, she should take part in the discussion.--Den Zen 17:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
The corners are identical in both versions (using Safari and Chrome). It is possible to have the background color set for the entire row and have rounded corners for individual cells. In addition I changed the color scheme of the tables. The actual edit I just did is here, which makes the table borders less blocky (similar background and border colors in the old versions) and removes unnecessary coding. Also the way I re-coded those few cells is how a majority of tables are coded on Bulbapedia. Should I take pictures of the corners of the cells and provide them or should it be reverted to my recent edit? Lady Ariel 19:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Looking at your revision in Chromium, I now see why you've been undoing my changes. The problem is, in Firefox, my changes actually do change the way the tables display.
As I mentioned when I reverted it, you're entirely welcome to redo any of the changes that don't affect the roundy fixes (as above: each cell in a roundy row has to have its own background color, and the row cannot have a background color); I just didn't have the patience to sort out your new changes from the roundy stuff myself, or redo the roundy stuff. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
It is like to the colspan issue with tables, which is caused when a table has a number set for colspan that is greater than the number of columns some browsers display a gap and others don't. I will go ahead and change the tables then (leaving the roundy now that we know it is a browser issue). However, finding the countless number of tables that use the coding I used on the Hidden Grotto page won't be easy. Lady Ariel 19:55, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
If you mean finding those "countless numbers of tables" to fix the roundy stuff, I don't expect to or even intend to try. I just fix whatever I happen to notice (and manage to care about that moment). Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:10, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Having a "countless*" number of things to fix isn't supposed to be a deterrent from completing a task that need to be finished. It is more a reason to change something you see is wrong when you see it, because otherwise, it may not be found again for a long while. MaverickNate 21:06, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Page without category

Since a user has created a page about roller-shake tricks, will you either add a category or delete the page? Cinday123 (Talk) 02:05, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Shared species into mainspace

Can I get permission to move this sub page of an user into the mainspace or you do it for it? --Cinday123 (Talk) 09:13, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

It's not just up to me. It should be discussed here first.--Den Zen 12:42, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Silcoon and Cascoon

Both of them having the same base stats, type, learnset and Ability all seem rather obvious with them being counterparts in the same evolutionary family. Metapod and Kakuna also have the same base stat total, learnset and Ability (and share at least one type, since Kakuna is dual Bug/Poison). Seems to me, the trivia should be combined, but with the shared species trivia being uniform throughout all the species' pages, I'm not sure if it should be merged, a separate trivia point, or a subsequent trivia point. What say you? Glik (talk) 15:06, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

It's not that obvious considering that Beautifly and Dustox don't have any of those similarities. The species name should stay separate since Silcoon and Cascoon have more in common with each other than with Metapod or Kakuna.--Den Zen 17:02, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


Umm...Do you also think that this does not fit here as it was undone by user Glik, I personally think that this trivia is ABSOLutely correct. - unsigned comment from Viv (talkcontribs)

Almost every Pokémon with Super Luck can do the same thing. It's correct, but not notable.--Den Zen 15:46, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Okay, got it!.--Viv (talk) 12:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Edit Block

I was wondering if the amount of time on the ban increases with each consecutive ban?

Also on the ban notice it tells me to write on your page to discuss the ban with you, but isn't that redundent since I can't edit/talk on your page while I'm banned? I had to wait till the ban was over, but I just joined today so I'm probably just missing something! I look forward to hearing back from you.

Nicodeamus (talk) 19:34, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much for clearing that up for me, I can't believe I overlooked the Gen used in the Learnsets. I appreciate your timely response and I'm correcting my errors now.

Nicodeamus (talk) 20:09, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Diancie's stats

I saw Diancie's stats in here (on the lowermost part of the page). Can I write them on Diancie's page? --Blinx9999guizar (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Serebii (or other fansites) should never be used as a source. If you can get a Diancie yourself and determine its base stats reliably, then they can be added.--Den Zen 23:30, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
Then OK, I guess... --Blinx9999guizar (talk) 23:41, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Fur Coat and Psyshock

As we know, Furfrou's signature Ability, Fur Coat, halves the damage taken from Physical moves. But there seems to be a little confusion at the page does this affect the damage taken from Special moves that inflict Physical damage, such as Psyshock and Secret Sword. I don't know the answer myself, nor am I able to research it effectively, so I decided to ask someone else, and since I trust you as a fellow Bulbapedia user and Finn, I decided to try and ask you if you know the answer. If not, that's fine. I'll just have to ask someone else in that case. Whichever way it goes, thank you in advance. :) --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:10, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Wonder Guard blocks OHKOs??

I'm rather skeptical that the Wonder Guard Ability actually blocks OHKOs just like Sturdy does. I'm under the impression that the only reason OHKOs don't work on Shedinja is because Shedinja simply isn't weak to any of Normal, Ground, or Ice. To test this, it might be necessary to either hack or do some fancy stuff with Trace/Reflect Type/blah to get, say, an Electric-type with Wonder Guard, and see if it's still immune to Fissure. If Fissure can hit an Electric-type with Wonder Guard, then Wonder Guard does not inherently block OHKOs; it's simply blocking them since they aren't normally super effective. As far as I know, there is no easy way to pull off such a test, save hacking. Blueapple128 (talk) 02:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


I know to preview my page first before saving it. But the glitch I kept encountering on the page in question would only appear after I saved it. I would preview the page, everything looked okay, and then saved it only to find that odd garbled code at the end.

-- unsigned comment from TBustah (talkcontribs)

What should I do?

If opinions aren't allowed, I'm trying to make mainspace edits, but I don't have any important factual information, so I'm not sure what to do. -- unsigned comment from YoshiDino90 (talkcontribs)

There are thousands of stubs and articles needing more information, hundreds of articles needing improvement and lots of pages with typos or formatting mistakes. I'm pretty sure you'll find something.--Den Zen 00:02, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Well I'm doing what I can, but most of the stuff is on Generation VI, which I'm not particularly fond of mainly because I only have the games up to Generation IV. -- unsigned comment from YoshiDino90 (talkcontribs)

Incorrect edit on your part (AG093)

I'm sorry to tell you that the edit of mine that you undid is actually correct. Your edit summary: "AG043 was the first completely accurate one" is completely irrelevant to what I actually posted. I posted that AG093 is the first episode to use the new and more accurate Pokémon Trainer's Choice. This is correct and backed up by the actual Trainer's Choice page which states:

In Pokémon: Advanced Battle, the creation of questions for Trainer's Choice was credited to Lawrence Neves and the accuracy rate greatly improved. During this season, the variety in the types of questions being asked expanded beyond simply type match-ups and evolutionary lines, as well as featuring more difficult questions.

As you should know by now, AG093 was the first episode of the Advanced Battle season and as a corollary, the first to contain the new Trainer's Choice by Lawrence Neves. I ask that you revert your edit to my post.

Thank you, Yaminichi (talk) 02:38, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Shiny Pokémon edit: Smogon user says FS has increased shiny rate

Edit war-y stuff is supposed to be brought to staff, so I'd ask you* to once more revert/readd the point about increased shiny rate in the Friend Safari, as the back-and-forth reversions are on the brink of making an edit war. The Smogon user analyzed a very large set of data, so it should be something we can rely upon. (I might even suggest it be added as a reference note.) Tiddlywinks (talk) 12:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Reverted for obvious reasons.--Den Zen 13:22, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Dennou Zenshi, I have a question, is Smogon a official website or a fan website? --Cinday123 (Talk) 04:45, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Of course it's a fansite. However, that doesn't mean its forums posts are never reliable.--Den Zen 05:01, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
So the forums posts are reliable, right Dennou Zenshi? --Cinday123 (Talk) 05:04, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
As I said above, some can be reliable, but not all are.--Den Zen 05:09, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
I know Dennou Zenshi, I'll have to be careful next time about my edits. --Cinday123 (Talk) 05:18, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


Have you watched this episode XY021? I think this is not just my speculation, but I am sure there are some other people would agree. - unsigned comment from Zhixun (talkcontribs)

Your comments make sense. I will stop editing that page then. Zhixun 11:25, 4 April 2014 (UTC).

Floette's gender

I originally added AZ's Floette's gender as female because of her being an all-female species. I removed it as I found out in one of the revisions that an admin removed it and I wanted to play it safe to avoid getting yelled at. I do agree with you though about Floette being an all-female species, not like the legendary Pokémon in the anime (and possibly Pokémon Adventures) having genders even though their status is normally genderless. PattyMan 01:27, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I know why did you remove it. I guess Ataro just didn't remember Floette's gender ratio back in October or he removed it by mistake while removing the wrong image (as he's only talking about that in the summary).--Den Zen 05:47, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Version mascot (sprites and artwork)

I saw a user turning all generational sprites into artwork on the version mascot page, do you prefer generational sprites or artwork? --Cinday123 (Talk) 10:36, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Since we don't have Gen VI sprites for Xerneas and Yveltal, I think it's better to use artwork to keep things consistent. As a completely unrelated note, you have pretty nice predictions, but Mega Pokémon cannot use Magician, Water Absorb Mega Azumarill is just weaker than Huge Power Azumarill, and Insomnia Mega Slaking is too broken.--Den Zen 10:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC)