Talk:Ethan (game)

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Hey, one of his opcional names is "Chris". Haruka uzumaki 16:01, 24 September 2007

Only in Crystal, though. IIMarckus 16:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, as you know, "Chris" can be a guy and a girl's name.--DRAGONBEASTX 12:12, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


The Sunday preview confirmed him --Nick., something to say? 23:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


I have a better Artwork for him (i think) 30cogw3.jpg should we use this?--DawnXPiplup 09:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

No.--ForceFire 12:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't say that one is better. It's not as good as quality as the other one. Plus, its jps.--Clarky13 12:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Just so you know, the one most people can see now is not the most updated one. I just posted one. Archives has problems again. tc²₆tc26 12:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Indeed. Compare the history of this one from the other one. It's different. Admins (or system admins) are dealing with this problem, which we hopefully be fixed soon. Kevzo8 12:24, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Aside from it being jpg format, which one is the actual picture? Everything's darker in the one already on the article, but the one here looks like what it's supposed to be. R.A. Hunter Blade 12:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
The darker one appears to be a render that somebody uploaded. The most updated version of the file is the official Sugimori artwork as posted on the HG/SS game website. Trainer-c 12:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

The part about Gold's pants

It says Gold is the only male player character who wears shorts. This is not true; Brendan wears shorts in Emerald. --Evice 04:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

It says he's the only male character who doesn't wear long pants. That is different. --Galladeon 04:50, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes that's true. But under those shorts are pants. --ケンジガール 05:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
While it is a confusing style choice (and hell for cosplay), Brendan does wear trousers and then shorts on top. They're not long socks, at least from what I can tell. Unless you have some official source which specifically says something about Brendan's choice of lower-half clothing. TheChrisD RantsEdits 16:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
How exactly can you tell that they aren't long socks? They look like tube socks that are about the same color as his shorts (notice how what you're calling "long pants" aren't as baggy as his pants in Ruby and Sapphire; rather, they're tight like socks). It's not like there aren't socks that are that long. Do you have an official source regarding his clothes? Wearing shorts over long pants isn't exactly common. --Evice 22:58, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Do you have a source that they are are tube socks? --PsychicRider T - C 23:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
(EC) I've debated it a lot myself, but short of getting some official word on it, it's best to go based on what most people assume it to be at first glance, which seems to be shorts over trousers. I'm really unsure myself, seeing as I don't try and pay all too much attention to it, and my interpretation is also slightly askew because of the manga. This topic is starting to drift away from being related to Gold and more being related to Brendan, so can we either get back onto it, or move this section to Brendan's page. TheChrisD RantsEdits 23:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
No, but it doesn't look like you have a source saying he's wearing two pairs of pants at the same time, which is more unusual than wearing shorts and long socks. I think they look like socks because whatever he's wearing under his shorts doesn't look like his pants in Ruby and Sapphire, which were baggier and not a solid color. --Evice 23:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Let's move this elsewhere, ladies. --ルレ 23:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Could i add this?

One of his pictures features him with a green poké ball. And the same with eusine. Is that good trivia to add.--Pokéboy93 15:19, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Gold's Gen II sprites

I started up Crystal and got into a battle with Carrie at the Trainer House and Gold's Gold and Silver sprite is used for her (her page mentions using Gold's sprite), despite Gold's own Trainer Card displaying that game's new sprite (shown in the sprites section). Can this usage be mentioned? The only problem is that I haven't been able to confirm how it's used for other Trainer House opponents (such as Cal) as well as during link battles. Does anyone know what the case is with those? --Evice 23:57, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Cal uses character's sprite because he's a placeholder for a proper player (who the player connects, when he uses IR-DA capabilities of GBC). This is a simply technical limitation. If Cal's gonna be featured in HGSS, then he'll probably have his own sprite (he had his own design in Stadium 2, anyways). --Maxim 06:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't referring to how they use Gold's sprite, I'm talking about how in Crystal they don't use his sprite from that game, instead using his sprite from Gold and Silver. I should have made that more clear. --Evice 14:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
That's something to mention in Cal's article, I think. --Maxim 14:48, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
Done. --Evice 02:13, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Defaults in HGSS

Well, Festa's video shows him having a default name of Hiroki and another as Soul, while Soul gets Miki and Heart. Now, given that's not a guarantee of their names. TTEchidna 19:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Keep in mind that those Festa videos are using SS and not HG, hence the male character being Soul and the female being Heart, etc.—Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 07:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Personally, I think we should wait to see what their names are when they're NPCs (such as how the names for Brendan, May, Dawn, and Lucas come from the names used as NPCs). Unless of course Game Freak doesn't give them set names like previous opposite-gender characters (I guess there isn't anything stopping Game Freak from doing that). --Evice 17:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Pointless trivia I noticed

Gold appears to be the only player character (at least the only male player character) to wear his headgear (in this case, a baseball cap) backward. (I'm only counting game characters, since Red's Pokémon Adventures counterpart wears his hat like this in the chapters based on Generation I.) Can this be added? --Evice 17:55, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

In the Trivia section...

"All female player characters either wear a skirt (Leaf and Dawn) or cycling shorts (Kris, May, and Soul)."

What the crap is that supposed to mean?--Dark ICE (User:Cold)(page, talk) 21:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
It does not sound that important to me.--Midnight Blue 21:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
It's not. First it's talking about guys, then it's talking about girls. (Kinda like most of the boys at my school.) Could an admin please take it off?--Dark ICE (User:Cold)(page, talk) 21:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
I was talking about why is that in there. That trivia would make more sense if there were like 10-20 girls in the games. And yes why is/was it on a boy's page?--Midnight Blue 00:40, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

B/c this is protected

Can someone put this trivia in. "Gold is the only male player not to have a "common" name." Red is a name but not as common as Brenden and Lucas.--Midnight Blue 23:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't know about you, but I have never once heard of anyone else named "Red" --GEN1KING 07:15, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
You've never seen That 70's Show? Or Back to the Future? Or played Spyro? There are Reds in each. TTEchidna 01:30, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


Since the girl was confirmed to be Kotone, why isn't Gold's article moved to Hibiki. It was shown on the PokeGear screen referring to him as such and doesn't seem likely the opposite gender character is nameable.

And the girl is Kotone, not Hibiki. - unsigned comment from Raine (talkcontribs)

It could of been one of the default names or the person who was playing the game named it. Therefore, Hibiki is not his real name just wait for the games to come out. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 00:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Ah, but the girl was the player during the time. (When Shoko was playing HG.)

It wasn't referring to the player character since it was on the Phone List.--Raine 00:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

The player's mom refers to a friend named Hibiki while playing as the girl, so it must indeed be his NPC name. See here: [1]. This also matches Kotone's name (which means "koto sound" [2]), since it means echo, sound, reverberation, noise. Capsule Computer 08:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

So... since Hibiki has been confirmed to be his official name, shouldn't the page be renamed Hibiki (game), and "Gold (game)" can redirect here? FireMeowth 14:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

If anything, the page should be split with all Gen II info remaining here, and all Gen IV info on a new page. TheChrisD RantsEdits 15:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, new information generally replaces old information, and he was never formally called Gold in the Generation II games, so... I think we whould move this to Hibiki (game). It may be stated in the page that he used to be known as Gold before Generation IV. - D-Wheel 17:59, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
We didn't rename Blue's article to Green when FRLG were released. So should we change this article's name? - Crystal Master 21:10, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Cause people hate Kotone's name. That's the only reason it is an issue. They figure since she can't be Soul, Gold should be Hibiki. --ケンジガール 21:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I thought that it was because Blue's NPC Appearance trumps his Rival Appearance, since the player can still name him in FRLG. If he's "Green" in HGSS (outside Japan, anyway), then I think he should be moved to Green. Thus, I think Gold should be moved to Hibiki... once we get his English Name, anyway.--Purimpopoie 21:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
It's not just because of that, Kenji-girl. I liked Kotone's actual name better than Soul. We didn't rename Blue because that's the only way he was formally referred to in the games. Even with FRLG released, he was never called Green. Hibiki was never formally called Gold in the games, and now he's being clearly called Hibiki. So, I think that's it. - D-Wheel 22:08, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
So you're saying that the GS protagonist had no name until Game Freak created the remakes? I find that pretty bizarre, considering that the Crystal girl HAD a name. - Crystal Master 22:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
He had no in-game name. Now it was confirmed to be Hibiki, so... - D-Wheel 22:52, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
But he must have had a official name, seeing how Kris had one - Crystal Master 23:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
"Kris" does not have an official in-game name. The only official names she's got are are the ones from the anime and manga. Remember - official names =/= default names. FireMeowth 10:06, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Wrong. The back of the Pokémon Crystal box calls her "Kris". Specifically, it says "New female trainer Kris faces the Unown" [3]. - Crystal Master 19:27, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
"while in HeartGold and SoulSilver his female counterpart is Kotone. If one is to choose play as Kotone, Gold will still appear as an NPC, with the name Hibiki." Yes? No? ~m190049~talk 22:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
While I do believe his name is Hibiki, I'm not sure it should be moved quite yet, not until the English Version is released, because as unlikely as it could be, what if the PCI decides to name Hibiki, Gold? We would've changed his name basically just because his Japanese name is Hibiki. I think a note or something would be best at this time. --Dman dustin 17:20, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
Hey, guys. Here's a solution. We have a perfectly fine English name for the guy. Why move it to a Japanese name that's gonna get changed anyway in six months? Like with Blue, we should wait for the English release, and then wait until the teams get ripped and see what the "true name" is of this guy. TTEchidna 22:28, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Shouldn't we at least give his Japanese name as Hibiki? It still gives his Japanese name as Gold and never mentions the name Hibiki. --Evice 19:10, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
We should. And we should move the page. That "we'll have to move his page someday anyway" argument is stupid. Such things happen. And what's wrong? Is this so much of a deal to change the links. Having him under "Gold" is stupid and unreasonable now. As of now, this name is just a mere fanname. Same goes for Pearl. "It's too late" argument isn't really right. It's not the policy that we should go by. Pearl's name is Barry and Gold's (Japanese) name is Hibiki. Bear with it. --Maxim 11:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
apparently, hibiki also means echo, sound, or noise vik0z0z 19:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Maxim: If Gold is just a "fanname" like you say, then what was this guy's real name during the 2nd gen? Again, I don't buy that he was a nameless character, seeing how his original female counterpart, the Crystal girl, had a official name [4]. And for that matter, is the name we use for the GSC rival, Silver, a "fanname", too? - Crystal Master 01:15, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Silver wasn't a fanname. If you leave the name blank in Crystal his name is Silver. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 01:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
So basically, we're assuming that:
The RGBY protagonist is named after the "first" version of the generation he debuted on, Red.
The RGBY rival is named after the "second" version of the generation he debuted on, Green/Blue.
The GSC rival is named after the "second" version of the generation he debuted on, Silver.
Going from that, isn't it safe to assume that Gold was the GSC boy's original official name (not just a fan name), and the remakes simply changed it to Hibiki because, as a set name ala Brendan/May/Lucas/Dawn, it would look out of place in comparison with the new girl's name (saying "Gold and Kotone" sounds much more weird than saying "Hibiki and Kotone")? Also, more evidence of the GSC boy's original name being Gold is that Red, Blue/Green, Silver and Kris' names appear in the games at top of the list of selectable player names. Red's name was was the top one in Pokémon Red, Blue/Green's was in Pokémon Blue/Green, Silver's was in Pokémon Silver, and Kris' was in Pokémon Crystal (as the first available name for the female trainer). So following the pattern used by every other Gen I/II player character and rival, the GSC boy's name should be the one that is at the top of the list of selectable names in Pokémon Gold, Gold (duh). - Crystal Master 01:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Nope, the protaganist and rival from GSC The protaganists and rivals names were both confirmed in GS, where they could be battled. Official names for them was never used pre-HGSS. And we can't rely on DATA, now when we DO have an official name - in-game data is often different than the official name, for instance, Blues in-game data in FRLG calls him "KERRY", or something similar. To name the characters after versions was dropped sometime between Yellow and Crystal. Pokémon Lover King Mario 07:39, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't see why this is such a big deal. The only reason I can think of to keep the name "Gold" is nostalgia. Officially, his name is now Hibiki, like it is written in HGSS. Fairy Red 04:23, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
True, but Good O' Bulba Likes to have articles with English names. Since "Gold" is the closest we have to an English name, it will stay as is. for a while anyway End of discussion ShinyPika 20:13, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
Sorry to respond to something so old, but I don't remember you being promoted to admin, ShinyPika. I don't recall normal users to be able to just do that. Just please try to avoid that stuff in the future, it can lead to problems, kay :) --GEN1KING 07:13, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Gold is a secondary character if Kotone is chosen as the player character.

Gold is a secondary character if Kotone is chosen as the player character. His role seems to be identical to Kotone if Gold is chosen as the player character. His Pokemon is a Marill. Could someone please add this important tidbit to the article? Thanks. CubeShapedWatermelon 21:49, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, somebody should probably add that while playing as Kotone, his grandparents run the Day Care.
(...And is it just me, or is the "Storyline in the games"-section pretty... unneeded?) FireMeowth 08:46, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Yep. It is just you. If the other player characters have it, then why shouldn't Gold? - Crystal Master 20:07, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
May doesn't have it. Brendan doesn't have it. Dawn doesn't have it. Lucas doesn't have it. KOTONE doesn't even have it. Besides, isn't the storyline already written in the respective game's article? FireMeowth 19:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

His appearence?

Did he slim down from Gold/Silver to Crystal? Or, at least his clothing is less baggy in his Crystal sprite, and artwork. His pants seem longer too. Is that notable trivia? Lovely Rose 20:14, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The fact he's the only male PC to wear shorts (or at the very least not full trousers) is already mentioned. Also, the slimmer look you're talking about is mainly because his new outfit consists of hooded jacket, rather than a full-on hoodie. (Also this is very forum-y) TheChrisD RantsEdits 00:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Sugimori got better at drawing, too. TTEchidna 16:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Maybe he is meant to be a year or so older in the remakes. That would explain why he looks taller and slimmer. Taromon777 20:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon Party

Can someone change the color of the box?


I think it better. --Nechigawara-Talking 02:14, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Yep, sure is. But I used HeartGold color because it is in HeartGold only. —darklordtrom 06:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


Why do these articles have [Name of the player](game) as their names? Examples Red (game), Gold (game), Kris (game). But the articles are about the trainers, not a game called Red, Gold or Kris. Shouldn't we change them to "Red (trainer)", "Gold (trainer)" or "Kris (trainer)"?--Dr. James 03:47, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

No. It means (name) ([From the] game). Birthday! Alpha CuboneKing 03:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
But then, shouldn't it be "Gold (Pokémon Gold, Silver, Crystal, HeartGold and SoulSilver)"? --Dr. James 03:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
That'd be way too long. Birthday! Alpha CuboneKing 03:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
The game designers will not likely name two main characters the same thing.--♫Green♫ギャラドス♫Talk♫ 03:53, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
The parenthesis should indicate what are we talking about. Like this, if the article's name is "Gold (game)", then the article should be about a game called Gold. However, we are talking about a trainer, or player. So it should be "Gold (player)" or "Gold (trainer)". I hope you understand my point. --Dr. James 03:55, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
While I see your point, (trainer) would not work, as the (game) is also used to distinguish game characters from anime characters and manga characters, and they are trainers in all three media. Werdnae (talk) 04:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
How about "player"? Because Gold, Kris and Red are "players" (playable trainers) after all. It's just..., we aren't talking about a game here, but a player. --Dr. James 04:15, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
I see where you're coming from, but like others have said, it basically means Gold (from the game). The concept comes from stuff like May (game) and May (anime) both existing, and the rest just conform to that established standard. Besides, Gold (game) differentiates from Gold (Special) as well. While I do see you're point, I don't think it's gonna be changed anytime soon. It's just an established system that's worked fine so far. ZestyCactus 04:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Mmmm... Gotcha. Okay, it was only a suggestion, because a normal user wouldn't understand the title so easily. Even I didn't understand it, that's why I asked it. I hope it changes, to make Bulbapedia a better place. --Dr. James 04:44, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hibiki's namelist in HGSS?

Kotone's namelist is already up, so does anyone have Hibiki's yet? Also, I just noticed that he shares several names with Red and Lucas/Kouki (ala Leaf, Kotone, and Dawn/Hikari sharing names). --Raine 01:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Challenge sprite

a:File:EthanChallenge.png Could someone put this sprite in Gold's Sprite box? thank-you. ShinyPika 14:34, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

a:File:HGSS Ethan Back.png And his backsprite? Just like Kotone's spritebox has all that stuff. --Bulbafan 16:32, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Done. —darklordtrom 06:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
GSC Ethan Back.png You guys forget this -Pokeant 01:24, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
That's the lot of them then. —darklordtrom 21:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


Wait, if Kotone's grandparents run the day-care if she's an NPC, isn't the same true for Gold? If so, should it be added to the article? ZestyCactus 04:07, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. —darklordtrom 06:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I guess, since theyre pretty much the same person but different gender, so im guessing yes User:Fudgenuggets 23:34, 15 October 2009
Dude, it was added like 3 days ago. --ケンジガール 06:56, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Alteration to the Trivia Section

"Gold is the only male player character to have two different female counterparts."

Does it really matter what the specific genders are? No. So I suggest the following change.

"Gold is the only player character to have two different opposite-gender counterparts."

Think about it. This message brought to you by Glitchipedia, the falsified encyclopedia 03:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

May, Brendan... Emerald sprites... Dawn... Lucas... Platinum sprites... ht14 03:39, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

English Name Possibly Revealed

The first English screenshots have been released by Nintendo (although I am unable to provide a direct link, you can find them at, and according to the screenshots Gold's name in HGSS is Soul. Watchermark 10:55, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

EVERY screen shot in the Japanese pre-release pictures said his name was "Soul" as well. HOWEVER, later they officially released the name as "Hibiki," not "Soul"... I think you can expect this to be the exact same... (Yaminokame)
Default name in SoulSilver! DERRRR! Names as the player can't be taken as canon. TTEchidna 05:25, 1 February 2010 (UTC)


Gold's backsprite is wrong!! Why does it use the beta backsprite instead of the actual one? (The beta has a red logo on the cap, the official doesn't) -adwajr

The backsprites on this article do not have a red logo on the cap. —darklordtrom 09:44, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
It displays this though: a:File:HGSS_Ethan_Back.png This is his beta backsprite. -adwajr
But that has no red logo... The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 13:22, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh, I guess it was fixed when i wasn't looking. --Adwajr 10:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
No.... he just doesn't have a red logo on the back at all. He didn't in his Gen. II sprites either. Only in his artwork. R.A. Hunter Blade 17:00, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Lucas pose?

In the trivia section, it states that Gold's HGSS sprite is positioned the same as Lucas' Platinum sprite, but it isn't! There are clear differences, and if I were to say that one of Gold's sprites were in the same pose as Lucas's, it'd be the Crystal sprite, but mirrored. Could this be changed, please? --MewSoul 20:27, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

The legs and left arm are in the exact same position. That's what is meant. —darklordtrom 21:26, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
....or are they talking about the back sprite? Shiny Pika 21:32, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Spr HGSS Ethan.png Spr Pt Lucas.png I see similarities, don't you guys? Mewsoul, we're talking about Lucas' Platinum sprite. :) Tyro 21:39, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
I never said they weren't similar. I said they weren't the same. --MewSoul 20:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Seriously??? Gold's right leg is crooked while Lucas' right leg is normally positioned, so not the same. User:BAC510 08:50 February 2, 2010 (UTC)
They're similar, but not enough to note. Trivia on this wiki have skewed way too stupidly specific anyway, we don't need any more of it.—Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 09:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Wow BAC... "There are clear differences" was the beginning of the second sentence. And you're being way too picky about it. But I agree with Urutapu. We're starting to get trivia just for the sake of trivia. R.A. Hunter Blade 13:30, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
By "clear differences", I might've just exaggerated it a bit though. Even so, the way it's written in the Trivia section made me think that they just edited Lucas's Platinum sprite to make Gold's. Could we at least say that his sprite is similar rather than same? Same implies that there are no differences (besides the clothes in this case). Also, is the article locked or something? I can't edit it for some reason. --MewSoul 20:50, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the article has been protected. See the section below for why. Werdnae (talk) 20:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

US Name

Serebii revealed Hibiki's US name. It's Ethan. Kotone's Lyra. --CitruX 13:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Do we have an official source? If not, it surely shouldn't matter what Serebii says. FireMeowth 14:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
We believed them back in the never forgotten April Fools, when Merrick revealed all DP names. --Maxim 14:51, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
That was all the way back in April '07. We didn't have that many policies back then. And now we do, which is "wait until the game release/episode airs". I feel a little suspicious that he's not giving a source, either... ▫▪Ťïňắ 16:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Joe's reason has been that he's got an "inside source he can't reveal" because it would be, like, a breach of contract for that source. Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 00:20, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

His new official name is Ethan [http:]

...yes. We are still going to wait until the game's release. There has been no official source given on those names, Serebii's not a good enough source. ▫▪Ťïňắ 18:02, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Not disagreeing with official policy, but making a declaration that names aren't changed until the game is released while simultaneously holding a vote to change the listed name of an unreleased game seems kinda silly.--Purimpopoie 18:24, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
That's due to a supposed translation error. This is due to speculation. They are completely different situations. MaverickNate 18:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Either way, I'd prefer to keep him as Gold. Forever. Gen II character, Gen II naming convention. We aren't moving Red to Ash or Jack, now are we? TTEchidna 23:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Cry me a river, Mister Editor-In-Chief. You'd have been all for moving the page if they'd named him after you. Besides, moving Gold to Ethan (or whatever) isn't comparable to moving Red to Ash or Jack. Jack wasn't the name set forth in-game, and Ash is an anime character. It's more comparable to the point Zesty Cactus makes a few bullets down. --Darkeiya talk to me! 00:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but those aren't his official names, right? Anyways, it don't matter to me, I all for waiting until the game is released. Serebii is usually right, but we can't take chances, and rules are rules. Littlmiget123 23:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
He was never called "Gold" in-game, and now he is canocally named Hibiki (or Ethan, whatever) if not chosen as the player... but I'm already tired of this old discussion... - Taylor 23:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
I'd personally like to move the page to "Ethan" or "Hibiki", but no matter what, we're waiting for the games to come out to make a decision.
Oh, btw, TTE: If Blue is "Green" in English HGSS, would you move the page? I know with Blue it's slightly different because he was renamed to Blue for RBY, but to move Blue to Green would be the same logic as moving Gold to Ethan/Hibiki (imho). --ZestyCactus 23:54, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Green's his name. LeafGreen was FireRed's counterpart, not WaterBlue. TTEchidna 03:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I believe that, at this point in time, we are still honouring his first English canon name, which is Blue. Just as we seem to be honouring Gold's first English canon name as Gold and not Hibiki/Ethan/whoever. (on a related note, Vincent is Vincent and not Jackson, although "Jackson" appeared first). I'm not favouring one name over the other necessarily, I just favour consistent choices of names (first English appearance vs. most recent English appearance). --ZestyCactus 05:11, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Uh, oh... This kind of thing happened with Pearl- No, wait, Barry. I really truly hope this doesn't turn into a move-war. Just in case though, I OPPOSE --GEN1KING 07:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Green is his name in Japan. Elsewhere, it’s Blue. On this one, though, I wish we could have left it Gold. --LaprasBoi 23:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
May I make a suggestion? Protect both Gold (game) and Kotone (game) until the official release of the game. That way, no-one is arguing, and that can also determine whether or not is telling the truth about the English names for Gold and Kotone respectively.--Kangaflora 21:49, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Whatever his name does turn out to be, if it's not Gold then all HG/SS details on this page should be moved to a new page under the new name. There is nothing there to say that the old Gold/Crystal are the same as the new pair - and if Kotone has a separate page, then Hibiki should as well. TheChrisD RantsEdits 22:38, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
That's a slippery slope then, D. What if I don't like Red's Generation III Design and want them to split Generation III Red from Generation I/II? Or what if I say that we don't know if Red is the same person in RGBY as he is in FRLG. We could end up with a separate page on each character from each generation at the end. In the end, I think a more simple method is required. The reason why Lyra has a different page than Kris is because Lyra was presented as a different character (both by Pokémon Sunday in Japan, and the Anime) while Ethan/Gold hasn't had that distinction made.--Purimpopoie 22:43, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Kangaflora - welcome to five weeks ago.
TheChrisD - uhhh, in that case, details about Fire need to be moved off of Red (game) and onto their own page, too. 8( The name "Gold" for the GSC male protagonist is, afaik, as fan-based as the name "Fire" is for the FRLG one. 梅子 22:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
But unlike Gold/Crystal, Red and Blue are explicitly named as such in Gens II and IV (we hope), which gives solid proof that those characters are one and the same. But, has there been any solid proof given (with the exception of PokéSpecial) that Gen II Gold and Gen IV Hibiki/Ethan/whatever are the same character? TheChrisD RantsEdits 00:15, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
But that still means that there'd be a different page for "Red" in Generation III and VI than the one in Generation I and II. After all, just because the name's the same doesn't mean they're the same character, not to mention different actions being taken in both sets of games (RGBY vs FRLG). It leads down the same slippery slope. As for Gen II Gold being the same person as Gen IV Ethan, doesn't the burden of proof lay with you to prove they are different people? I don't believe there is evidence either way (unless one takes the lack of Ethan in the Anime as evidence).--Purimpopoie 00:40, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Ugh, I thought this was a dead issue. If Gold's name changes, the page's name should change to the more up-to-date version. It would be his first canon name, seeing as Gold was really only his name in one version (that is, Gold version). Not just in this case, either. If Red's name were to change, I'd certainly advocate that it be moved. As for arguments pertaining to Kotone, that IS a dead issue. We decided long ago that she and Kris were to be considered different characters. That does not mean that Gold and Hibiki should be considered different characters; to assume so would be denying the obvious fact that Hibiki is a redesign. And that's the end of this rant for now... --AndyPKMN 02:58, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
I think seeing what the manga has in store will help decide if he is a new character. I think someone said something about Lyra being Crystal's younger sister. Maybe Ethan is Gold's younger brother. We will have to wait. The games don't tell us these things. Blake Talk·Edits 05:03, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Korean Name

Because of page block I can't put it in. It's 심향 Simhyang. --Maxim 10:16, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Image name inconsistency

Speaking of names, several sprites of HGSS's Gold use the name Hibiki, with Gold as a redirect. IMO, they should all use Gold, with Hibiki redirecting to them, seeing as we're keeping Gold as the article's name.

Or maybe it's my OCD talking? Chosen of Mana - 16:18, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I think they are waiting until we get the official OK about his English name to change them to anything. Blake Talk·Edits 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Info Box Color

Can someone fix the info box color to HeartGold color like the other character's info boxes? I can't do anything about it since the page is locked so... Fudgenuggets 18:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, ElectAbuzzzz made the infobox Gold colored. He must have a reason behind it. Blake Talk·Edits 01:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
Because he's Gold. Same reason Red's is Red and not FireRed. TTEchidna 04:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, what about the user who wanted to change his colors to SoulSilver because he was “Soul” in prerelease screens? --LaprasBoi 23:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

If you read his edit note, you'd have seen his reasons for doing so is that not only was he originally called Soul in prerelease screens, but also in the intro section to both HeartGold and SoulSilver, Ethan appears with a silver background, whereas Lyra appears with a gold background. Reverting your revision for the moment, until a decision from someone "higher-up" happens. Also don't revert one and not the other, because that made both Ethan and Lyra use gold coloured infoboxes. TheChrisD RantsEdits 17:24, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
I did read his edit sumary, otherwise, how would I even know about the “Soul” thing? And you’re right, there was more to his reasoning. A whole, what, 2 seconds of animation? But I think it is going overboard to say that his counterparts and his past don’t matter at all to this. I also don’t see the problem with Ethan and Lyra both having a golden color scheme, in fact, it makes good sense: they both serve the same role(s) in the story, and they both oppose Silver( who has a silver color scheme); besides which, they are not exactly the same, Ethan uses a normal gold infobox, while Lyra uses a heartgold-color infobox. As for someone “higher-up”... TTE( who comented just before me in this discussion) fits that description, no? Obviously, his authority can be superceded by facts or board decisions, but he is still EIC. --LaprasBoi 01:16, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
The article is about the game character from the fourth generation, with only minor throwbacks to the character from the second generation, and thus the colour scheme hinted to us from the fourth generation is what matters. Anime and manga counterparts have their own pages, and the colour schemes from those characters should be evident on those pages, but not here. Plus there are only very minor shading differences between gold and heartgold, and silver and soulsilver, at least from what I can tell. As for TTE's comment, that was from before the games were released in America and his English name was revealed, so the current situation is different now. TheChrisD RantsEdits 12:24, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
So you decide "lol so make him silver". Yeah. Okay sure. And then we make the RBY rival purple because of his pants. Come on. Lyra goes SoulSilver, Silver goes Silver, Ethan goes Gold. Just keep the damn consistency between counterparts unless there's any real reason to have it not be consistent, like Ash, who is more associated with Pikachu's electric yellow than Red. Heck, if we get the reveal that Kris in Adventures is in Lyra's outfit, we should make a new decision whether or not to keep Lyra and Kris as separate game characters...
By the way. The above is taken from the opening of HeartGold and SoulSilver. I see no "default color" around either of them. If anything, this implies SoulSilver color should be blue. But it's not gonna be! We draw the colors from elsewhere. TTEchidna 01:33, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
That's not the location I believe that's being referred to here. The main introduction montage to the game whenever it is booted up shows Ethan on a silver background and Lyra on a gold background towards the end before showing off the three starters. That's where I believe the original editor got the idea from to switch around their colour schemes, along with other cues from the media, such as pre-release screens with the names Soul and Heart. TheChrisD RantsEdits 09:47, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh, nice to see you chimed in here even before I asked( although that is mainly because I spent 12 hours trying unsuccessfully to edit your user page. I mean, seriously, the article is about (a )character(s) from Generations II AND IV; if it was only about Ethan, Gold would have a separate page, like Lyra and Kris. The name “Ethan” had in fact already been revealed in February, though not officially, and there is evidence in TTE’s Talk Archives suggesting that he had already grudgingly accepted that it would be confirmed. Besides which, the opening montage had already been seen in the Japanese versions well before, including the 2 seconds where she is on a gold background with him on a silver. Of course, anyone may change his mind, including TTE, and I didn’t know whether or not he put significant thought into that comment when he made it, or what his opinion might now be since the games’ English release, which is why I asked him( albeit late due to posting issues) to look in on this discussion. But you couldn’t claim he lacked access to information when he said that, and his new comment just affirms it all. --LaprasBoi 02:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Maybe I'm a little late on this, but COMPROMISE: Have Ethan's infobox be mainly gold with a silver border or something, and Lyra inverted? D: Might as well have both colors... ▫▪Ťïňắ 16:49, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


Here you go, guys. The scene from the official game opening, depicting Ethan's color as silver and Lyra's color as gold. If you think you have more authority than Game Freak themselves, then keep gold for Ethan... - D-Wheel 21:26, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Requesting infobox addition...

manga=counterpart | mangacounterpart={{adv|Gold}} | roundnum=PS091| roundname=Murkrow Flies | }}

- Chosen of Mana - 16:12, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

name meaning

japanese name means echo while english name Means "solid, enduring" in Hebrew... could we add that... Badwolf1234 03:08, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

The Japanese name meaning is there already. I'm not sure about the English name in relation to Hebrew, since the game doesn't have an official Hebrew version. Jello 03:12, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

acttually the name ethan means solid enduring in hebrew.. not the hebrew name because there is no herew version of the game....Badwolf1234 03:25, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
His English name isn't going there yet, thus we have no reason to add in the English name's meaning yet. 梅子 03:28, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
We don't add the literal meanings of unless they're significant, and that generally only applies to the Asian names. For the Western names we generally only put the pun (i.e. Ethan sounds like "echo," we'd put that and not "solid").—Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 19:13, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
This is possibly a coincidence but Ethan is also one of the most accepted names of the harp player in King David's court in the Bible. Should this be noted?--Skystar 14:34, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
I just thought "Ethan" related to "ethos", a Greek word that can mean "state of being" or "soul."--RiverAura 23:42, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Except Ethan doesn’t sound like echo, at all really. They are completely dissimilar phonetically. Ethan has a long E, while echo has a short e, which are very different sounds in English. The h performs completely different functions in the two different digraphs. None of the phonemes are significantly similar. Clearly, the Biblical reference to a musician is more significant than the orthographic similarity, since all his other names are related to sounds or musical instruments, as is Lyra. --LaprasBoi 23:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

The page name should be Gold (game).

At least, he should be referred to as Gold in mentions of Generation II. He's only Ethan as the NPC in 4th Gen. Everywhere else, he's Gold. Emyunoxious 21:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

  • That'd be like calling Blue "Gary" or, hell, "Douche" or something. After all, he's only called Blue as the NPC in 2nd Gen. You see how that logic just doesn't work? Reign 21:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Can you guys not see the extensive debate we had over this? On the same talk page? He's staying as Ethan because it's the only official name we have for him now- makes sense to call him that. NPC names take priority over common fan ones for pick-your-poison-type names. That's all. We're not going back to Gold. >___> ▫▪Ťïňắ [[Special:Contributions/Tin

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"You guys"? I was saying that we shouldn't move it.Reign 22:18, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Optional names?

Can anyone find the optional names for Ethan & Lyra? Pocketfanmk 05:01, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Uhm... what optional names? You don't get to choose anything about their names, unlike in, for example, DPPt. If you are male, it's Lyra, if you are female, it's Ethan. Simple as that.--Afrael 23:49, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I think they mean the optional names that you get when you select your player's name and put in nothing... there's always a list of optional names in the game data. Lucas and Dawn have it, I think Lyra has her Japanese names up.. I'll look around to see if I can find the English ones though. ▫▪Ťïňắ 23:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Older brother?

Anyone have a scan of that part of that pamplhet? This one says he has a younger one but it seems pretty wrong. I don't recall any part of the beta placing Ethan in a city holding a laptop (unless they mean the Pokegear). Oh, and off topic, but Ethan says the Marill thing listed on Lyra's page, right? I'm adding it. Lovely Rose 16:31, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, well that also states that you can use a skateboard, and that Ampharos could be related to Pikachu. Doesn't seem like a very reliable source for saying he has a brother. Blake Talk·Edits 17:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
The scan of that pamphlet can be found here. That article that Lovely Rose linked has a bunch of mistranslations in it; the trivia about the older brother was added by me, translated directly from the Spaceworld 1997 pamphlet. 梅子 17:22, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


I'm not sure I looked well enough, but where is the section saying where you run into your childhood friend throughout the game and where they are after you beat the game. I need to find Ethan about the Shiny Leaf thing. --Lustre 01:41, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

I think he's in the top floor of Elm's lab. Go up the outside stairs. If someone could confirm that, then add it to the page. Werdnae (talk) 10:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I spent a while looking for him, and maybe it's at a certain time or not, but he was in his house playing with Marill in his room. --Lustre 12:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
To go into more detail, he calls about random things, such as wanting you to bring a Poliwag to Route 40. I have no clue what this is about. I did post this same idea on the Route 40 discussion page to see if anybody knows about it, but responses there are slower than a slug on weed. KurosakisTwin 01:19, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Replied. —darklordtrom 06:04, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


"He had no official name in Generation II, but was unofficially known by fans as Gold (ゴールド Gold)." He was called Gold in the istruction booklet that came with the Gold Version.Bug Catcher Wade190MS.png 02:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

He was called Silver in the counterpart version. I think it's best that we leave his name as Ethan. KurosakisTwin 02:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

What the...

"Despite, Lyra being called Soul, Ethan was the only one who appeared in-game in demos with the name Soul."

This makes no sense.--immewnitythemew 19:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

This reminds me of the prerelease hype from like, August, when we used to call Lyra "Soul", but Ethan was "Soul" in preview footage and Lyra was "Heart" in the same footage. It's stupid irrelevant trivia though, so I removed it. --ZestyCactus 20:05, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Trust me, it's like this with any set of player characters before their actual names are revealed. I mean, given what's known, it doesn't matter just how much of the fandom call the Generation V female player character "Black" and how much call her "White". In the end, odds are everyone'll be calling her Iris, given how that's the most likely name for the character at this point (that character's anime counterpart bears that name). --Shiningpikablu252 22:08, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
That comma after despite is also DEFINITELY wrong. --AndyPKMN 13:03, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
That comma is what I was mostly going after. And, SP252, Iris isn't the anime counterpart. It's another character completely.--immewnitythemew 14:30, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

About his name...

The name origin kinda just bothers me..It seems a bit TOO obscure. I know it's minor and not that relevant but are we sure it has nothing to do with the actual word "echo" itself? I doubt it's a coincidence they're spelled similarly. Pocketfanmk 04:17, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Echo isn't similar enough. To quote the hidden text in the name origin section:
"Echo" is unlikely, even downright nonsensical. They have 2 letters in common, but those letters make completely different sounds between the 2 words. In fact, the words don’t sound the least bit alike. Phonetically, the most you can say is they each have 2 syllables, stress on the first. And those of you who find the name somehow distasteful *cough*TTE*cough*, try to remember that it actually the real name of many people. Regardless of whether those people ever even wanted to share a name with a generation of brats or a Nintendo character. :-(

--SnorlaxMonster 11:37, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

About his name 2 - Electric Boogooloo

The name origin is so, well, not appropriate for his context considering the meaning of Ethan. I share my name with this guy so I know what it means. Ethan, most commonly, means Gift to the Island (whatever that's supposed to mean), Strong/Enduring, and some other source I saw a while ago stated it meant Full of Minerals and was used in farming and mining families. I think all of these can apply to him considering the fact that most people thought and still think that every region is an island. He's a Pokémon trainer which are usually strong considering a normal day is them running around catching the creators of the planet/universe/human sapience/death, and Giratina who is Satan. And the Full of Minerals meaning makes complete sense when he's the male protagonist of Gold and Silver, AND those were the first games to include "Farming" (if you even want to call it that) in any way or form. So take your pick, I think any of these are more likely to be the name than something straight from the broble. --Nuclearxpotato (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Trivia consistency

Does anyone know if Ethan will call the player on Marill evolving into Azumarill, like with Lyra? --Super goku (talk) 20:54, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

About his name 3: Greek Antiquity

Would "Aether" be another possible name origin? Lyra is derived from "lyre". Both "Aether" and "lyre" were elements of classical Greek antiquity, mythical and real respectively. - unsigned comment from Lmoamemesxd (talkcontribs)


As shown in the page history, I pointed out an interview in Nintendo Dream vol 201 that when discussing about the designs of the Hilbert and Hilda, Ken Sugimore hinted the protagonists of the games before Gen V being at an age range of 10-11 (not counting Brendan and May) when talking about Masuda telling them to make Hilbert and Hilda older than them during the development of Black and White. That, I believe should be enough confirmation, and like another user said in another discussion, it would be insincere to omit hints of the character's age if that's all we have. Inkster (talk) 20:02, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Here, I agree. It's pretentious to ignore a source if it is the best piece of information there is for now.--Rocket Grunt 20:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Ethan and Greninja

Can we talk about how Ethan and Greninja have the exact same height and weight? That would be an interesting point of trivia.HenryWong122 (talk) 01:54, 30 August 2022 (UTC)