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Oh look, guys. Another archived page. Let's take care not to bombard me with questions on the release of Black and White. I won't have the game until the US release in March. Kogsie does have the Japanese game, though. So bombard her or Deth unless you really need my opinion.

Also, if you need something to do, take a look over at the right side of the page. We need that stuff done. TTEchidna

Hello.

I returned your(Mr. TTEchidna) article. Let's talk with me. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Arceus_(Pok%C3%A9mon) Sawamular101 08:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, Arceus god Pokémon, I'm the one country called Argentina (sorry for bad translations, is the translator) recorded in the bulbapedia me to talk only about my friend code is 4855-9477-2344 my name is Gold, I like that tomorrow, Saturday, we could connect and make some trades. --Arceus god Pokémon 00:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

What. What is this? I don't just... trade Pokémon. TTEchidna 05:47, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

01010100 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01110111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01100100 01101111 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100100 01101111 00111111--444Zekrom 11:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Party Templates

How literally are we supposed to interpret the Gen I ones? Most Trainers had only classes so should our templates do the same? Blue, Giovanni, and the other Leaders should have no classes technically, and Prof. isn't really a class, his name is Prof. Oak. Also, Jessie and James had no name, only ROCKET and Lt. Surge is only Surge in Stadium.----MisterE13 01:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Prof. is the class, like Passerby is with Silver on his first battle. You can omit the classes and just have the class be the name. Only named Trainers use that in Gen I, far as I can remember... TTEchidna 05:04, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh wait, I'm an idiot. Oak's battle is in Gen I. TTEchidna 21:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Something wrong with this account

TTE, I have question. HOW COME I CAN EDIT OTHERS' ACCOUNTS? Normally I can't right?-444Zekrom 07:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

...what the heck do you mean? You can edit anyone's userpage by clicking the "edit this page" button. They aren't their account, dude. It's a wiki. These are pages. The account data is not on your page. It's in the database. And only a select few have access to that. Just don't save edits you make to others' pages without their or our prior consent, unless it's breaking something (such as categorizing pages in a way they should not be, like a person's page names them as, for example, a usertag). TTEchidna 07:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

So I see... thanks.-444Zekrom 07:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Question

"Junior Administrators are allowed to edit and create pages that are otherwise protected from editing and creation to those other than Administrators." I tried that recently, but I couldn't. Is that part actually true? ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 13:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Either:

1) It has not much info on the topic (I think, at least); or

2) It contains excessive, if not all, fanon, or any other personal reason (like 1) or it was previously deleted by an admin or user because it doesn't contribute) and thus was or is block by an admin.

--444Zekrom 15:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I may have put down cascading protection. Cascading protection still locks out JAs, for some reason. TTEchidna 21:09, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

JAs have never been able to create protected pages. I'm not entirely sure why. —darklordtrom 02:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Might be different permissions. TTEchidna 04:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I went through them, though, and couldn't determine which permission it would be under. Twas odd. —darklordtrom 10:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I want to battle you!

I am requesting a battle with you. If you win, I will take back my filler info comment. If I win, i will still apologize to you. --Pokemon26 18:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely not the place to do this. TTEchidna 21:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Before I start ripping mugshots from Pokémon Card GB 2

What file format should I use for them? Zsaberslash 20:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I would never say anything other than png. TTEchidna 20:53, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Zsaberslash 20:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

A little help, if you may.

See, I have a problem. Now, thankfully, I can edit my userpage, but I need help: see, I want to use the character template for most pages on playable and non-playable characters, and also the template to show your Pokemon team. [I mean like those kind of articles for trainers/Gym Leaders]. Can you please direct to me the template page for it or maybe give me the template. [Do it on my page, if you can]. A President Named C-Dawg.

I keep talk threads in the same place. And the best way to learn is to figure out how to operate that template. It's {{Party}}, while the Pokémon inside are {{Pokémon}}. TTEchidna 00:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Junior Administrator

I recently looked a junior administrator, Chuggaconroy, and looked at his contributions and he has only made 1 edit in the past 91 days. Do you think you should relieve him of rank, or still keep him as a JA?--Dbeckelheimer6 01:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

You don't know who he is? TTEchidna 01:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Not really. Could you tell me a little bit more about him so I change my mind about him? (Not to be offensive)--Dbeckelheimer6 01:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Check the news archives. TTEchidna 08:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Again

I don't know if you remember me, but at one point I asked for your permission to use bulbapedia pokemon descriptions in the tabletop game called Pokemon: Tabletop Adventures. The project is currently in Beta and is doing fairly well, considering how many online tabletop gaming communities play it. In fact, there are times where the Critical Failures (tabletop gaming) board, on the Penny Arcade forums, is filled with campaigns being run and the only games with more topics than Pokemon: Tabletop Adventures on the front page are Warhammer and Dungeons & Dragons (although the ratio at the time was 15 D&D topics, 7 Warhammer topics, 6 P:TA topics and 7 other tabletop games). Anyway, my group will most surely be updating for the upcoming release of the fifth generation of Pokemon I was wondering if it would be okay to further copy and paste any new descriptions of pokemon that may come up. Credit would of course be given again, as it was during the initial release of Beta, and every update since then (putting it at Beta 1.07). Thank you for your time and consideration. A link back to our forums: http://s4.zetaboards.com/Pokemon_Tabletop/site/ --User:DrMrStark 04:50, 12 September 2010 (PDT)

If I said okay before, it still is in play. Just make sure to keep in contact. TTEchidna 01:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Ph4mp573r

Ph4mp573r is a user, obviously a sockpuppet (probably one). We better question him...--444Zekrom 12:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

No, he's not. —darklordtrom 22:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

As in Ph43r? Yeah.--444Zekrom 08:24, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Five weeks later, he's still not. Funny that. —darklordtrom 10:31, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Let's... just archive this as soon as possible.--444Zekrom 13:25, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Quick question

In D/P/Pt, HM05 was displayed as a Water-type HM, but contained a Flying-type move.

In the new learnset template, it's displayed as a Flying-type HM.

Just wondering, would there be any way to edit the template so that Defog's HM could be displayed as Water-type, or would that be too much work and/or too minor to worry about?--Cold (talk) 22:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. It's a Flying-type move. They just F'd up, and it's trivia for the HM05 page. But not something we should display on all instances of its appearance. TTEchidna 01:11, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Learnset category

I'm just a little curious how a regular user would take a Pokémon off the Category:Pages which still use the old learnset templates. I've done a few and I can't find a way to take them off the list. Jo The Marten 01:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

It's automatic, when you update the page with the new template, just purge the page. —♥ Jello^talk 01:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright. If that's the case, something is up with Cyndaquil. I made his learnset template and he's still in the category. The other Pokémon I did are off the list but Cyndaquil is still there. Jo The Marten 01:38, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes the category pages take a while to update. TTEchidna 02:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Questions

I have two questions. First, is this OK to be mainspaced? Second, why is there a learnset namespace included in the Recent Changes namespace modifier? Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 11:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

"Triple battles is"? Also, that's there because of what we may do in the future. Just ignore it. TTEchidna 19:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Seriusly This Has Been Bothering Me For A While

With the arrival of generation five, we learned that none of the old Pokēmon will be in the Regional Pokédex. There are literaly hundereds of trivia stating that a Pokémon or Pokémon family has been in every Regional Pokédex up to date. Should sombody go back and delete all of these facts or at least change them? EpicShadow 20:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, they only need to be changed to mention that they're in every regional Pokédex in the Japan-centric Pokémon nation (which itself needs to be moved). TTEchidna 21:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of that... has anybody actualy confirmed what nation Issue is based on. I know that many speculate it to be America but I've also heard that it might be China. Both of these are highly likely because they both have a large influence on Japenes media but I would like to know for sure which nation it is and what region of that nation it is in. --EpicShadow 14:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

It's confirmed to be NY by many sources, including interviews.--でんのう ☢ Zえんし 14:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello

I hope you don't mind me using this as a means to notify you (and you may already be aware) but the starter evos have been fully confirmed:

[1] [2] [3]

From the official daisuki club site.

Ah. Hrm. Mainspacing those then... it seems. TTEchidna 22:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Gen V names

What, you didn't like my romanizations? I see PokéBeach copied them all. :) --Argy 05:44, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

The thing is, we had the articles at different names. So that was making redlinks where there should be none. I'd prefer Gearl, anyway, but meh. TTEchidna 05:50, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

If you prefer it, then why not change the article name? You will have to anyway when the official romanizations surface. --Argy 18:02, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

That's why I haven't changed them yet. In case the official romanization is different. TTEchidna 01:03, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Abilities

I was actually thinking we should divide them by generation, like the moves. Can be discussed at some point tomorrow, if you want, and if I can find time to come online. It's shaping up to be one of those weeks... —darklordtrom 10:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps have their boxes be colored differently depending on the generation of availability. No Gen I-III Pokémon get Gen IV abilities until Gen IV, no Gen III/IV Pokémon get Gen V abilities until Gen V. And any past generations' abilities that they do get, like Bulbasaur with Chlorophyll, are Dream World abilities, and thus not available until Gen V. TTEchidna 17:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Well of course. And it says that in the footer. But not everyone knows the debut generation of every ability.

I think the only potential confusion will be for those Pokémon which gained second abilities in the fourth/fifth (if any) generations. So perhaps even a superscript annotation "IV onwards" would do. I think it's fairly obvious that Dream World abilities will be fifth only...

I don't suppose you know a sneaky way to get rid of that self-link bold either? Would an #ifeq=PAGENAME thing in that template kill the wiki? —darklordtrom 22:11, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Considering the fact that the ability pages tell you what the ability does, as well as what generation it came from... I don't know.

If it's obvious Dream World abilities are V-on... why should it not be obvious that an ability that didn't exist in Gen III or IV cannot be had by a Pokémon in that generation. TTEchidna 22:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

It's obvious Dream World abilities are V-on because the Dream World is in V only. It's implied by the column. The other columns, though, are ambiguous if you don't know what abilities were introduced in what generation. —darklordtrom 10:47, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

It's obvious that Generation II moves can't be had by a Pokémon in Generation I, even by trading back due to the time capsule restriction. We don't put on every Gen I Pokémon's Gen II learnset "Generation II moves, marked with a II, must be forgotten in Blackthorn City before this Pokémon can be traded back to Generation I". It's on the move page what generation the move's from, and we can't and shouldn't put all information on one page. Besides. Gen III and Gen IV are outdated. So we either ignore them (as is the case in most instances, like, say, Magnemite) or make subpages! TTEchidna 17:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

That's not the same thing at all. You don't transfer Pokémon from Generation IV back to Generation III. The comparison would rather be the different distributions of the move in each generation. I don't see what the problem is with including as much information as possible. It's helpful. We don't ignore Magnemite's former single-type status; it's documented all over the site including on Magenemite's page and the pages for the Electric- and Steel-types. —darklordtrom 01:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Then how do we show it without it looking dumb? TTEchidna 07:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

In the TCG - 5th Gen Edition

Would it be prudent to add in this: <!-- {{main|Pokémon (TCG)}} --> Pokémon has not yet been featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

to the Gen V Pokémon articles? I can find some time to help, if need be. --P o L i 22:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

All the hidden main links are already there. I already suggested the outside statement; however, it was shot down: "Why should the TCG have something and not everything else." They will be there soon enough. There are already like 20 or so created. I'm getting the disambigs up pretty quickly but not the actual card pages. I don't think the outside would be necessary. 23:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I think we'll wait for the first couple releases from the new TCG. TTEchidna 07:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

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Nate, you signed your comment wrong. :x And alright, I didn't check to see if the hidden mains were already there, just assumed they weren't. What do you mean you're getting the disambigs up but not the actual card pages? There haven't been any B/W cards released...? Right? TTE, I'd advise against waiting for more than one Japanese B/W TCG release to note cards that have/have not been featured. --P o L i 11:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

There are 25 cards released; 18 Pokémon featured. ^Maverick_Nate 15:45, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Like I said. First couple. Obviously all 156 new Pokémon won't be in the same set, even if they've been getting progressively bigger. Base Set was 102, with only 69 of the first 151 Pokémon. Neo Genesis was 73 of the then-existent 251... and from there on out it became a lengthy time to get every Pokémon in a generation out. Once we see what's in the first BW expansion, then we'll throw the "X has not been featured in the TCG as of yet" on there. TTEchidna 04:43, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Or we can just leave it blank. ^Maverick_Nate 16:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Name redirects

I made redirects for Pokémon names to their (Pokémon) counterparts. You might want to apply move=sysop and probably edit=sysop as well to them; see the list here. Also, I had to skip these pages because they had sysop level protections: Janoby, Chaobu, Futachimaru, Choroneko, Dangoro, Moguryuu (literal romaji spelling), Doryuuzu (literal romaji spelling), Monmen, Churine, Rankurusu, Mebukijika, Tamagetake, Denchura and Ononokusu. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 23:01, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... TTEchidna 04:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

More into this, these ones are creation protected as well: Janoby (Pokemon), Futachimaru (Pokemon), Minezumi (Pokemon), Miruhoggu (Pokemon), Musharna (Pokemon), Gigaiasu (Pokemon), Koromori (Pokemon), Moguryuu (Pokemon), Doryuuzu (Pokemon), Desukaan (Pokemon), Mamanbou (Pokemon), Denchura (Pokemon) and Ononokusu (Pokemon). UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 22:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

{{MS}}

On the (type) pages, the tables that display the Pokémon use the MS template like this: {{MS|###|Name (Pokémon)}}

In my opinion, {{MSP}} would be much better suited for this. Would I be allowed to convert them?--Cold (talk) 21:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes. TTEchidna 06:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Emails

Did you get my emails? Just asking...TheRevived 02:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Revolts

Have you ever thought that all of the users without userpages rising up in a revolt, led by a very charismatic Kuki, Thelateryears, Ph43r, or Mjakson438, manually reversing all of you and your cronies' edits, blanking your talk pages, and flooding your inbox with hundreds upon hunderds of threats, inflammatory messages, or such?

Think about it for a few moments... TheRevived 04:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

This is not cryptic, just drop everything and think about it.TheRevived 04:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Kuki is suddenly Hitler? Last I checked, he was Jewish... Anyway, threats like that aren't exactly gonna work on me. Besides. It's a fucking wiki. There is no way to do any lasting damage, and it's literally no more than a minor nuisance, considering I have the ability to lock the wiki from editing, delete revisions, block your IP indefinitely, and a whole hell of a lot of other things. TTEchidna 04:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

No, I meant that many users will rise upon the network and virtually destroy all of you. The leaders will help rebuild it in a better light, and they'll sure not let "you and your grunts" in, i.e. put a century-long block on any IP any of you have. TheRevived 23:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Lightningrod and Storm Drain

it has been profed hat this abilities negate the damages of the types so could you add this to the Type effectiveness template and unlock Shimama (Pokémon)? --Hanmac 10:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Do they now? They didn't used to... TTEchidna 14:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

They do now. Lots of new and improved "F*** Yeah, Seaking!" memes have been popping all over the webs thanks to it. Ground-types are still immune to Electric moves and their immunity keeps Lightning Rod's secondary effect from kicking in, though. Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 14:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

What secondary effect? The negation of the moves, or drawing them? TTEchidna 16:38, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

It still draws the moves, but gives immunity to them and raises the Pokémon's Sp.Att. Pikiwyn 16:46, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

It will draw the moves, but not raise the Sp. Atk. For example, Rhydon will still protect any partners from Electric-type moves, but will never receive a Sp. Atk boost, Shimama will do both and yet receive no damage from the moves. Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 18:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

A Special Attack boost? Suddenly Gastrodon is way more viable. TTEchidna 00:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I know, he finally has something to rub in Quagsire's face since it stole his exclusivity over Recover! Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 01:22, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Gym predictions

You should do them again, and update the anime teams.Ethan brendan lucas 16:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Eh. TTEchidna 16:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Psycho page

What happened to it? It's been redlinked for AGES now, and I've been wanting updates since you took it off your userpage. TyphlosionBlaze 04:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I got lazy. It'll be around eventually. TTEchidna 04:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

A question

Hello, I am DeadUniverse, brand new user on Bulbapedia. As you are an Admin (the RecentChanges showed your name in green, so I guessed you are one), I got a question.

1. I read trough the Manual of style and the userpage policy, though I still don't have the authority to edit in the User namespace to make my userpage. I have activated my account trough my email too. How do I fix this? I have also made some edits as it told me too, when I went into edit mode.

~ DeadUniverse ^Hello! 07:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

You'll get the ability to after you've been here for a while and after you've made some edits to the mainspace. It's not just the edits that count. Plus, now's a bad time to make a userpage. TTEchidna 07:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Why can't I upload better TCG images?

Hi TTEchidna,

I was trying recently to upload a new, Hi-Res image of Shining Magikarp to replace the old one, but when I clicked on 'Submit' it is said that I don't have the permission to do this! It is also the same if somebody uploads NEW images that weren't on BulbaPedia before (like personal images). Could it be possivle that the Archives are still locked from editing though they aren't supposed to be anymore? TokoyamiTheDark 16:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The archives were locked along with Bulbapedia and have yet to be unlocked.--Pokélova! 16:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The Archives is a separate entity and the Editor in Chief there still apparently does not want it unlocked yet. ^Maverick_Nate 16:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Wish my word were able to keep BP locked longer, though. TTEchidna 05:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

pokemon

u used profanity a lot, so i'll use it. WHY THE H*** CAN'T FRICKIN' ANYONE TELL ME WHAT THE H*** THOSE DAMN POKEMON AT THE TOP OF TALK PAGES ARE FOR? IS IT SOME SORT OF SECRET?

Pokémon Health = User's Talk Page Space left. Simple. --AWA 01:04, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Yep. TTEchidna 05:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

If you want, you can have one too - see this template for instructions. It looks different from TTE's, though, I'll just tell you that in advance. Ztobor 18:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Something I'd like to discuss

TTE, there is one Isshu that I'm focusing on. That would be the Isshu region's page.

More specifically, it is the fact that many people have been mislead by the wording on the page. It leads one to believe that the basis of Isshu is New York.

Which it isn't.

New York is merely the motif, the design on the land, not the basis of the land itself.

If it were truly the basis, why would the Motif be used not only in the PokePia of last month but also on Nintendo.co.jp (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html) and Game Freak's official blog (http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=286).

It is not confirmed in any way to based solely on New York. Any source who says that has no official proof. And frankly, I want Bulbapedia to be as accurate as possible.

Can you please fix the information on the page? This is not speculation, this is fact. What is up right now is speculation.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 00:57, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

It's New York. Period. Look at Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. They don't match directly to Japan's regions. Hiun's just south Manhattan. TTEchidna 05:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

No, it's not. There are too many size discrepancies between Isshu and New York. And there are plenty of other isshus that make an extremely strong case against Isshu being 100% Manhattan. If you ignore all those facts, you're really, really sorry. And if you ignore the fact that 2 OFFICIAL SOURCES FROM THE GAME DEVELOPMENT TEAM and the company that owns all the rights to the game , not fan sites, not some sites that don't deserve any trust from us, have stated, and I quote, イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク (New York is Isshu's Motif. モチーフ: this means motif. It translates as Mochifu.) then how dense are you?

Seriously, pull your head out of your butt and look at the FACTS. No OFFICIAL source has comfirmed anything beyond the Motif level. In fact, if anyone other that Nintendo or Game Freak says the opposite, they're contradicting the highest-level-possible authority on the matter. And that includes this page.

Change it. NOW.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 14:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

They would similarly claim that Kansai is Johto's motif. The difference between Isshu and New York is the fact that if it were based on New York totally, all we'd have is city. And technically, that'd essentially be true of the rest of the regions. Japan is a densely-populated country. TTEchidna 18:37, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105

Do you know what it says there?

九州を舞台にしたんです。

"Kyushu is a stage."

So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

Simple answer: No, it does not.

Do you understand my point yet?

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 20:13, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Hoenn doesn't match up to Kyushu exactly. OMGZ MOTIFFFFF. Isshu is just as based on New York as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh are based on Kanto, Kansai, Kyushu, and Hokkaido. Just in a different manner. TTEchidna 20:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Hoenn, if rotated 90 degrees clockwise (like it was confirmed to be, compared to Kyushu, by Mr. Junichi Masuda), will match the terrain and coastline of Kyushu pretty closely. The same cannot be said for Isshu and Manhattan. Your point is null.

Question still remains: Do you understand my point yet?

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 20:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

And FYI, if you strip away all the non-geographical parts of Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh and even the Ranger series games, you will find they match almost perfectly to that of their real-life bases.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 20:25, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright, Mackinz. You're seriously being annoying. Don't you think TTE has better things to do than argue with you endlessly about a semantic point you'll never let go? Drop the sense of entitlement and accept that sometimes the majority opinion doesn't match your own. --Andy^P_K^M_N 20:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

So, if the majority willed it, that would change the facts? Basically, right now, the Isshu page on Bulbapedia has totally dismissed all facts and gone with the general assumption that Game Freak using motif definitely means that the basis of Isshu is New York.

I was right in my assumption that no one really cares about the definition of motif is.

Just look at you right now, Andy. "...accept that sometimes the majority opinion doesn't match your own."

You know what that says? It says you don't care about facts. You don't care about logic. You care about only wanting it to be your way. You only see it your way. You're not going on facts, you're going on an assumption. An ASSUMPTION. When there are FACTS to the contrary. This ISN'T "room for doubt" which I've argued about before. This IS me trying to get the FACTS out in the open and the only place that will actually LISTEN to the FACTS, or at least I thought it would, was Bulbapedia.

Not anymore, I guess.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 20:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I care about facts. On the PKWorld talk page, I refuted each of your points, and you then went and insulted me. And you did the same to TTE, the freakin' editor in chief! The point is you're arguing about a minor semantic quibble. Motif meaning something different than basis in this case is not a fact, it is your OPINION. Motif meaning basically the same thing in this context is our OPINION. So why don't you quit flaming people based on your own authoritarianism, and start doing something constructive? --Andy^P_K^M_N 20:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

First of all, I have not commented at all on the PKWorld page. You must be confusing me with someone else.

Second, compare http://www.synonym.com/definition/motif/ to http://www.synonym.com/definition/model/ , http://www.synonym.com/definition/basis/ , and http://www.synonym.com/definition/stage/ .

If you'll kindly notice, there are virtually no similarities between the definitions of Motif and Model, Stage or Basis.

In other words, this is fact: Motif does not mean Model, Stage or Basis. Thus, it should not be taken as fact that Motif means Basis when, in fact, it doesn't. Junichi Masuda is smart enough to know the difference.

Edit: Yes, I understand that you mean the Talk:Isshu page. I apologize for that. I should have used "Get a dictionary" instead of "Learn English". That was my fault entirely and I apologize. Do not let it corrupt discussion on facts.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 21:01, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright, well, now that we've evened that out... I still think the motif could be considered equivalent to basis in this case. There's no other clear basis for the Isshu region, so while it does admittedly differ wildly from New York City and the surrounding area geographically, it still maintains those themes, or motifs, or whatnot of diversity, and thus is the closest thing we really have to basis. Am I making sense? Perhaps we could maintain the mention of basis, but note that it doesn't specifically refer to geography? --Andy^P_K^M_N 21:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Coastline is geographic. Just because there are mountains doesn't mean much. TTEchidna 21:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

As a combined answer to both of you, "it doesn't even have the same coastline." Though this is widely debatable, and I'm not in the mood to debate over a coastline, the "right" side (when angled to match Isshu's orientation) extends far below that of the "middle" of Manhattan. As well as the river's being of two different widths.

Now, onto my direct reply to Andy: In my opinion, not that I'm fighting for it in this case one bit, I'm just trying to correct the wording on the Isshu page, not fight for my opinion, it's Shanghai. But do not take this as the reason why I'm fighting for the wording to be fixed. I'm a bit of a "grammar nazi" and I'm a logician.

Maintaining themes does not determine where it is based: Since Hoenn is a tropical island theme, why is it confirmed to be Kyushu? Because Junichi Masuda confirmed it to be so. And the same is for Isshu: Junichi Masuda confirmed, in multiple official websites, that Isshu's motif, theme, what-have-you (but not basis) is New York. So you should not keep the word basis at all and, instead, use the word "motif" or "theme".

Geography is all important when deciding where the games are based without official confirmation. Coastline, geographical terrain and etc. are always maintained so players can get an idea of where they are actually playing. The two mountain ranges are the "killing blow" that proves that Junichi Masuda meant Motif instead of Model/Basis/Stage.

So please, until we get direct confirmation from Game Freak/Nintendo regarding Isshu's whereabouts in real-life and not it's "theme", can we please get the wording fixed?

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 22:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

It's America. It's New York. Look, I'd love for it to have been Chicago instead. but it's not. Maybe in Gen VI. TTEchidna 22:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I never said you couldn't have your own opinion. I only ask that you change Isshu to reflect the facts instead of the opinion of the mass. Is that too much to ask? --Mackinz of SoulSilver 23:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Isshu#Just_throwing_this_out_there

Fix it.

Soon would be preferable.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 03:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Once again. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Isshu#Just_throwing_this_out_there

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 04:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

This is killing me

The lack of standard on Japanese romanization is killing me. The MoS tells to use Hepburn (the one with macrons) but in the new articles no one uses it. When I moved Geechisu to Gēchisu I got scolded by Maverick that there is some problem with macrons but he didn't bother to discuss the problems. There is no standard at all currently. For example, on Isshu page I can see Sanyou and Shippou City but suddenly there's Soryu City. Why can't we agree on one consistent romanization scheme? What is happening now is a real madness - everything is romanized in a non-standard, unruly way. And finally, what's the problem with macrons? No one seems to bother to get rid of the problem. Please do something. It's a really bothersome thing. --Maxim 17:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Macrons are hard to type. TTEchidna 18:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

So what? This is what we have the palette for. And it shouldn't be a reason for such a mess in romanizations. I suggest enforcing Hepburn again. Or if not, at least choose one consistent scheme. What we have now is an unruly mess - like Sanyou but Soryu. --Maxim 20:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd say use the one that needs the least number of combining characters - i.e. macrons (e.g. in the above example, Sanyou instead of Sanyō, which is the electronics company). It's easier to type and better supported. Ztobor 22:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Think of it this way, we all called Ho-Oh "Houou", not "Hōō" or "Hoo", before it was released in English. So if Soryu is Souryuu, hey, go ahead, change it, or whatever. For titles, macronless romanization is preferred - we can put in the proper one as soon as we get English names. TTEchidna 22:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

But still, this is not what MoS says. And this is a very nonstandard romanization. What fans use isn't really an argument. They're mostly influenced by Serebii, who uses such oddities as "Leparasudu" or "Goruggo" (really, I had to move the page yesterday because of this). Really, if macrons are hard to type, then why we are enforcing the Pokémon (with an accented E) thing so strictly? Accented E is also hard to type, unless you're French or whatever. Bulbapedia must have a policy on romanization. And it has. But for some strange reason it isn't following it. --Maxim 08:09, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Accent e is a lot easier to type than a macron. If we have macrons in our Japanese Pokémon names, then we gotta make more redirects, and then fix more redirects on getting the English name, official romanization, or whatever. And I know they're influenced by Serebii. Check the top sitenotice. Don't use other fansites as if they're sources. A vain hope, of course, but still.

Plus, in the past, as with Ho-Oh (which is Houou in official Japanese use) we can take some liberties. Sanyou is following the standard that Houou did. You know as well as I di that the Japanese names are a placeholder. Wargle or Wooguru or Wōguru. Doesn't matter. It'll be moving anyway in six months or less, and afterwards will be unimportant. TTEchidna 08:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Houou is trademarked romanization. Sanyou isn't. We MUST follow one consistent scheme or otherwise it will be a complete mess. I moved Soryu to Souryuu to conform with Sanyou (which should be San'you, if anything) and Shippou but perhaps I should have moved Shippou to Shippo and Sanyou to San(')yo? For all old pages which have no English names (and will probably never get, I'm talking about obscure manga stuff mostly), we use all consistent Hepburn. Six months is a pretty long time, still. By your logic, we could "romanize" ウォーグル as "Captainamerica" because "the page will be moved anyway when the English name is revealed, so it doesn't matter what name we use so far" or even we could move Tsutarja to Smugleaf because "it's only a placeholder and many fans use it". But that's not what our policy is. There is no thing as "placeholder". As long as there is no English name we should use a properly romanized Japanese name. I don't see much room for liberties. --Maxim 12:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Technically, Sanyou is properly romanized. It's an alternate romanization from Sanyō, just like Houou is, while trademarked, an alternate romanization of (proper Hepburn) Hōō. Wargle is Wouguru, Wooguru, or Wōguru. Hell, technically, if we're up-to-date, we ought have macrons over the syllable n's. Shin̄ō, that is, not Shin'ou, or Shin'ō as we have it now. But that's a pain in the ass if it's the page name - everyone would be going through a redirect. Name me one person on this entire wiki who types out the macrons, instead of using the palette. é is easy. It's Alt+130. But the macrons? I dunno if there are even alt codes for them. No actual languages use them, just romanizations of languages. I will agree with you that yeah, we should probably use the "proper" romanization in the infobox, but in the page title, it's just unnecessary. TTEchidna 04:47, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Template help

Something's wrong with the evobox template. In Pokémon with divergent evolutions, where the second evolution method involves trading with a held item (example: Poliwag, Slowking, Clamperl), the template is broke. See for yourself. I can't find out what's wrong with it, can you look into it? --Andy^P_K^M_N 20:26, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Agh, dammit, find and replace did me wrong. I fixed it. TTEchidna 20:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I should've asked this quite a few edits ago...

In move pages, should the possible parents for breeding be indicated in {{ms|###|Pokémon}} template? I've never really noticed it in the Pokémon pages and don't remember to have ever seen one in a move page, but I just saw Charmander's page and it occurred to me. Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 00:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

It's supposed to be {{MSP|###|NAME}}. MS doesn't link properly because some people wanted it to be able to link plainly, instead of to X (Pokémon), in the case of, say, glitch Pokémon. TTEchidna 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Ugh. Unlike Template:Learnlist/breed4, which seems to adjust its width as necessary, as it appears in Pokémon pages, Template:Moveentry always goes for the smallest width possible and ends up placing only one Pokémon per line, which makes it look really bad. For example, if Aerodactyl could learn Roost by breeding from Pidgey and Spearow lines the two templates make the same info show up like this:

Generation IV Other generations: II - III - V - VI - VII - VIII - IX
Father	Move	Type	Cat.	Pwr.	Acc.	PP	S. Contest	Appeal
	Roost	Flying	Status	—	—%	20	Cute	0
Moves marked with an asterisk (*) must be chain bred onto Aerodactyl in Generation IV Moves marked with a double dagger (‡) can only be bred from a Pokémon who learned the move in an earlier generation. Moves marked with a superscript game abbreviation can only be bred onto Aerodactyl in that game. Bold indicates a move that gets STAB when used by Aerodactyl Italic indicates a move that gets STAB only when used by an Evolution of Aerodactyl Click on the generation numbers at the top to see Egg moves from other generations

#   Pokémon Type Father 0142 Aerodactyl Rock Flying Bold indicates a Pokémon which gets STAB from this move. Italic indicates a Pokémon whose evolution gets STAB from this move. *Indicates Pokémon that can only learn the move through chain breeding.

Any way I can get around this? Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 10:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm planning to slightly redo that template eventually. Just do the menusprites now, it'll be able to look awesome later. Beats me as to why it tries to shrink... meh. TTEchidna 04:30, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I just noted that it seems to only go "wrong" when there are 3 or more sprites supposed to be in the same line... It seems to work just fine with only two. Maybe some sort of width limit or something? Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 15:08, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Might be why it's acting up right now. TTEchidna 16:10, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Question

Hey TT, I've a question for you. Why have you protected all (most of the) the Best Wishes episode articles? There isn't any kind of speculation crackdown problem, no spamming problem or anything. Then, is there a valid reason for their protection? Just asking, thank you. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 04:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

From creation or from editing? Or from moving? If BW001-003 are protected from editing, that should expire, I'd say. From moving, never expire. From creation... I think I did up to 010 on that. TTEchidna 08:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm talking about moving, it's about creating. So, it's 1 to 10? 11th is also under protection. So, I'm asking about the reason for protecting them *Creating the new articles issue*. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 10:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

I only protected up to 11. After that it's (for better or worse) a free-for-all. I reduced the time, though it's doubtful it'd expire before we get an announcement. Not like we exactly need it to expire... TTEchidna 08:25, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, okay. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 08:28, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

TT, as you are the active one right now. Can you please unprotect BW009? We have its title now, so it'll be great if you un-protect it asap. Thanks ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 20:05, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Signature customisation

How do you add colour to your signatures? Ruberduck0123 06:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

[[User:Ruberduck0123|<span style="color:green;">Ruberduck0123</span>]] would give Ruberduck0123. You can also use hex codes (from

ColorPicker.com) for example. Have fun. たかはりい 06:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Ruberduck0123 Yay! Now how do I apply it to my signature? Ruberduck0123 07:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Click on the my preferences link on the top right, and paste that into the box in the signature section. Make sure to check that box beneath it, or the code will appear as the text of the link. You can check it works by previewing an edit four tildes. (Basically sign your talk page, and then preview the page rather than saving it to check it works) Werdnae (talk) 08:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! Ruberduck0123 08:11, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Pokémon Podcast Deleted

Hey.

I've been a long time user of the site, love it, it's awesome! Recently, I came across this amazing Pokémon Podcast in iTunes called It's Super Effective. I was a listener to WTPT for a while, but the seemed to drop off completely this year which is sad. Anyways, since I liked It' Super Effective so much, I wanted to help out and make a page for the site. I've helped on Wikipedia before, but not this site. Made my account, started editing the page, and someone deleted it right away. Well... I was only working on the page for 2 mins or so. So I started editing it again, siting sources, linking to other Pokémon Podcasts like Bulbacast and it got deleted and blocked by Kogoro. She said because I didn't add any Categories, which I was planning on, it got deleted. Which I totally understand, but I was looking up code to make sure it fit the site appropriately, and she said it wasn't notable. Again, I was trying to link everything appropriately. In all honesty, I think the site is extremely notable. They do a show, if not two a week. The Podcast has been in the top 200 video game Podcasts since they launched, making it up to #12 most downloaded and they've been featured on the front page of iTunes Podcast store. That's pretty awesome and not a lot of Podcasts make it to the front page. I just wanted to help out and start an article. Their site, http://www.pokemonpodcast.com, is very legit too, they doing a new article Monday-Friday and they haven't missed a beat.

Really, I would just like the Article to be unblocked and exist because these guys rock and they love Bulbapeida, and I wanted to help them out.

Again, the site rocks! - unsigned comment from Committhistomemory (talk • contribs)

Talk to her about it. TTEchidna 07:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Delete.

[[4]]--444Zekrom 07:54, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Way to go with your fricking link. TTEchidna 07:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

What? Sorry. Cookie? http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Electric_Rock_Cave--444Zekrom 07:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Two in a row? TTEchidna 07:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey. Come on. Tic-tac-toe? There you go. Talk:Electric Rock Cave Nobody's perfect.--444Zekrom 07:58, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright. I give up.--444Zekrom 07:59, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Tonight is not your night. TTEchidna 08:20, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Seven Sages

Should it be noted that, when the Seven Sages page is created, there were seven Taoist Chinese sages that wrote poems criticizing the government/administration of the time and some became part of the Jin Dynasty? I thought it was an interesting find. I don't know if you found it already so I'm just asking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sages_of_the_Bamboo_Grove

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 03:18, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

If that's what they're based on. TTEchidna 09:35, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Do they have any similarities (in their roles or whatnot) other than the fact that there's seven of them? The Legend of Zelda also has Seven Sages, but I don't know if we should add either basis unless there's more evidence than just their number. --Andy^P_K^M_N 11:17, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

I have no idea, Andy. But it seems kinda strange that in both the games and in ancient China we have seven sages that tried to make a new government (Seven sages of China criticized the government of the time, seven sages of BW tried to install N as king) and both became a part of their new government (though, N's rule was temporary). Its also worth noting that they were Taoist (Ying and Yang, etc.). But I have not researched them enough at this point to make a connection deeper than that. Seven, Taoist sages that wanted a new government and became part of it. Whether or not you agree that may be what the sages from BW are based on, you have to admit there are some similarities. --Mackinz of SoulSilver 12:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess that sounds close enough. --Andy^P_K^M_N 15:58, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Letting you know

If you can edit pages this would be useful. I'm just letting you know that on the Zoroark(Pokémon) page it says that it is unkown where Zoroark can be caught. But he can be caught out Forest of Illusions, which is east of Raimon City. So if you or someone lse could edit the page, that would be good for people trying to look for Zoroark with their shiny Legendary beasts. - unsigned comment from Cool469 (talk • contribs)

Way to go with your linking, dude. Zoroark. THE END. TTEchidna 04:58, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey Phattychidna

When you have free time, please, please come on AIM. We need to discuss this sprite template update along with the issues with the back sprites. As you can see, it's a big job, so the sooner we roll out this shiz, the faster we can get it done.

Keep it chill, —♥ Jello^talk 23:57, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

The New Disambig

I took care of it as you requested, but I have to run and there may be a couple loose ends I forgot to tie up. If you could have a look at it, it would be much appreciated. Thanks. Also, I have at least one thing I'd like to discuss with you, so we can do that soon. --P o L i 19:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I would like to add a link to the accesory page on the Dasambig, because there is an accesory called spring. I can't do it my self because it's protected can you either unprotect it or do it for me? (Pokemaster97 20:09, 7 October 2010 (UTC))

I don't think... anyone... searches accessory names. TTEchidna 01:05, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Better safe than sorry, I suppose. --Andy^P_K^M_N 11:20, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello!!

So, I'm new here and I was wondering where did you get the Pokémon of the day thing? i would love that!! Also, how do you make a table with a backrground?? I need help, and a lot f it! Please respond in my talk page!! ~~ Lovewaterpokemon~~ ^ _ ^ 00:20, 9 October 2010 (UTC)Lovewaterpokemon

Animated PNGs

Do they work on Firefox? I'm sure most people (like me) use IE, and they'd be incredibly pissed off. Please stop. TyphlosionBlaze 02:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and no, sorry. 梅子^❀_✿ 02:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Why do you still use IE? Firefox isn't the only browser with APNG support, either. Opera has it as well. And asking me to stop using APNGs because you can't see the animation is like asking me to stop using roundycorners because you can't see them. TTEchidna 04:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't see why they have to stop just because you're using the wrong browser....you can easily download firefox.besides it not like you have to see the pngs...Ataro 04:50, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand why someone would get pissed over not being able to see an animated .png file. It's not like you can't still see the static image. --ZestyCactus 04:55, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

And if you REALLY insist on seeing the animation, you can download the image and view it in another program. --Andy^P_K^M_N 14:51, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Lets confirm your proof

This is not a debate/argument starter

Hey TTE, it's me again. I noticed you added some trivia to Generation V so I thought I'd ask you what made you come to the conclusion that Gen V does not take place in a similar timing to any other game. Granted, I know why it can't be part of the "Three-years after" period of Johto and Sinnoh (Cynthia, Looker and whatshername ) but I cannot see why it cannot be part of the "Main" period of Kanto and Hoenn. That is, unless I missed something. Which I may have. So, can you please tell me why you added that bit of trivia?

Unless its some secret source that everyone is supposed to believe. *eyeroll*

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 02:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

The "main" period of Kanto and Hoenn is three years before Johto and Sinnoh. Seeing as how Caitlin has an older appearance and makes minor reference to being unable to battle, and also seeing as Cynthia talks about the Trainer who defeated Giratina, I'd say this is evidence enough that Generation V occurs after Generation II/IV, and therefore not at the same time as Generation I/III.

Additionally, I request that you at least attempt to keep your attitude to a minimum. This may be the Internet, but nobody likes an egotistical wanker. --Darkeiya talk to me! 02:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for explaining that. Well, that crushes my hopes for Hoenn remakes this generation. Also *goes to comment on your talk page* --Mackinz of SoulSilver 02:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Aw but I wanted to crush the Hoenn fan's dreams.

I suppose I'll just do it in song! TTEchidna 08:49, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

{{learnlist/tutor5}}

What's up with it? When I enter this:

{{learnlist/tutorh|Kakuna|bug|poison|5|1}} {{learnlist/tutor5|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20|Tough|0||'''|no|no|yes}} {{learnlist/tutorf|Kakuna|bug|poison|5|1}}

it comes out like this:

Generation V Other generations: II - III - IV - VI - VII - VIII - IX
Game				Move	Type	Cat.	Pwr.	Acc.	PP
				0Bug Bite0Tough	Bug	Physical	60	100%	20
A black abbreviation in a colored box indicates that Kakuna can be tutored the move in that game A colored abbreviation in a white box indicates that Kakuna cannot be tutored the move in that game Bold indicates a move that gets STAB when used by Kakuna Italic indicates a move that gets STAB only when used by an Evolution of Kakuna Click on the generation numbers at the top to see Move Tutor moves from other generations

Also, on this page, instead of the Gen V set, why do we have the Gen IV set? --Sher-e-Bengal- 10:04, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

You need to remove the contest information. Contests don't exist in Gen V, and the Pokémon Musicals don't have special move types. You also needed to change the no|no|yes into a yes|yes|no.

{{learnlist/tutorh|Kakuna|bug|poison|5|1}} {{learnlist/tutor5|Bug Bite|Bug|Physical|60|100|20||'''|yes|yes|no}} {{learnlist/tutorf|Kakuna|bug|poison|5|1}}

Generation V Other generations: II - III - IV - VI - VII - VIII - IX
Game				Move	Type	Cat.	Pwr.	Acc.	PP
B	W	B2	W2	Bug Bite	Bug	Physical	60	100%	20
A black abbreviation in a colored box indicates that Kakuna can be tutored the move in that game A colored abbreviation in a white box indicates that Kakuna cannot be tutored the move in that game Bold indicates a move that gets STAB when used by Kakuna Italic indicates a move that gets STAB only when used by an Evolution of Kakuna Click on the generation numbers at the top to see Move Tutor moves from other generations

—darklordtrom 10:32, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright thanks, but the Blastoise page is still having problems.--Sher-e-Bengal- 11:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

We never got around to updating it? TTEchidna 16:35, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Lists of egg moves

I have been updating quite a few of the previous generation learnset pages to the new templates. Having finished the generation I pages and moved on to the generation IIs, I had the following thought, we still list moves learned by breeding on pages for evolved Pokémon which cannot be obtained by breeding. This discussion resolved that these were added for convenience to give the Pokémon's complete potential learnset on one page. However, it still falls short of this aim in the case of moves learned only by pre-evolutions by other means (e.g. level up).
There is another issue regarding Incense breeding, e.g. the egg moves available to Azumarill depend on whether it was bred as an Azurill or a Marill. Any thoughts? --Smithers888 21:33, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Miltank man's been trying to draw up a prevo chart, but we're not final on it yet. Don't concern yourself with prevo level-up-only moves yet. We have past generation level-up, TM, and tutor moves to deal with, too. But that can all come after we finish the learnset upgrades, okay? And as for Azumarill, um... shit. Combine both sets for now, we'll untangle them later on. TTEchidna 05:08, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Notice

There are 4 outdated catch templates on 4 different user pages. Can I have permission to remove these outdated catch templates and if not can you do it?--Dbeckelheimer6 01:24, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

You could probably just subst it, unless you really want to update them. Either way, it isn't against the rules to edit their pages as long as it's only for the template update. --ZestyCactus 01:32, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

You're fine on it. TTEchidna 04:07, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Physiology

If you need any help, call me.ܥZƐkrom ~~~ ܥRƐshiram

Template:AbilityVariations

is it ok what i do with Dry Skin and Herbivorous? so the variation can have to categories --Hanmac 12:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

What now? TTEchidna 08:44, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Clickable map?

On Wikipedia, I've seen a feature that might be useful on the maps - some of the images have regions that, when you click on specific regions of them, send them to a certain page.

An example of that would be the following image:

Basically, my suggestion is, create some sort of template that allows you, say, click on the square for Ecruteak City, and have it take you to the page for Ecruteak City. Would that be feasible? Ztobor 17:34, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

That's called an image map, and yes, it is epic. I would love it if Bulbapedia had those, but I personally don't know how to make them. --Andy^P_K^M_N 18:48, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

You mean something like this? Werdnae (talk) 19:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

we on pokewiki have all imagemaps for the five generations -> you are free to use it because we all friends XD --Hanmac 19:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

You did them all? Well why didn't you tell us!? TTEchidna 04:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

You have not asked :P. is it not me that created this: Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, Isshu and Almia

PS: some of the Kanto maps from your are not correct--Hanmac 06:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Which ones? I know we have fan-edited Gen I/III maps in the style of Gen IV... TTEchidna 06:40, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

as sample:

an idea could be to use the gifs from us (because the imagemaps are for this) --Hanmac 06:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

First one's the HGSS-styled Kanto Gen I map. Probably done for consistency with the rest of Kanto, just like the FRLG-styled Johto Gen II map I made.

Second one's definitely wrong, because Mt. Silver isn't on that half of the map, even if it's a Johto area.

Third is perfect. TTEchidna 07:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

PS: a sample: pokewiki has different highlighting, sometimes it looks better then in the game :P --Hanmac 07:45, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

As close to the game as possible. TTEchidna 07:49, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

?

Could I use Bulbanews' news on my wiki?—♫ Cool469^talk 05:12, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

List pages only have Snivy's English name

This page and this page have the English name for Snivy, but not Tepig or Oshawott. Flicky1991 18:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Taken care of, but TTE--this is what you get for having stuff protected for no good reason. ^Maverick_Nate 18:42, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hey, the same thing happened in 2006. I was locked out from editing the Sinnoh dexlisting. TTEchidna 21:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Still, no reason to return the favour >_> Ztobor 00:50, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

It so is. Gotta prevent doofuses from screwing things up, saying something like, I dunno, Pikachu, is number 157. TTEchidna 23:30, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

'deadly'menthane

i tried putting something on pikamanders page, but it went into deadlymenthane's(check recent changes.).is there a similarity?----EBL (talk to me!) 01:16, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

...uh. What? TTEchidna 08:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Deadlymethane is Pikamander2. That user had a name change in 2008. It would have been more appropriate to post it on that talk page. --SnorlaxMonster 08:28, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Could I?

Am I allowed to use Template:Tt on my wiki? —♫ Cool469^talk 07:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

If you plan on making money off it, no.

If you don't attribute it to us, no.

Otherwise, yeah, go ahead, use the code. It's nothing too complex anyway. TTEchidna 23:26, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Template:Item

Is completely broken here for Gen I items. It seems to be a colspan problem, but since you wrote the template, I was hoping you could fix it. I'd probably break it if I tried. --SnorlaxMonster 09:21, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Jello got it. --SnorlaxMonster 07:31, 29 November 2010 (UTC)