Talk:Original series

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• EP?
• Fandom name?
• Gallery
• Pokémon advanced ?
• The Beginning / Gold and Silver
• Splitting
• Move to Pocket Monsters (1997)
• Pokémon the Series: The Beginning
• Title
• Adding this being the only series to have episodes animated in Traditional or Hand-Coloured Cel Animation
• Split discussion
• Why are the Kanto anime and the Johto anime together?

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EP?

What does EP stand for?--KukiTalk 20:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Episode... --☆ケンジガール 20:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I mean AG and DP stand for two different words so I was confused what EP could be--KukiTalk 20:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

What else could it have stood for?

----HoennMaster 06:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Encyclopaediae Pokémonis? TTEchidna 06:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

It actually stands for Episode. Some other t.v. series do that. But for the Pokemon series, they got bored of the EP after a while and changed it to AG(advanced generation) for their new generation (gen III). I'm 99% sure that's what it stands for. The other % is somewhere else far away from here...--Tavisource 06:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Well we're the ones who call it "EP"/"AG"/"DP". TTEchidna 07:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Fandom name?

Where does "Original Series" come from? I believe (though I'm not sure) it is a name given by the fandom or... at least it is how we call these "seasons" but, if it isn't like "official" it should be stated that Original Series it's not an official name and that we came up with it. Advanced Generation and Diamond and Pearl (well, the last one might be OK since it comes from the japanese name of the seasons) and I don't know about AG. But my point is: Where did we take that name? We just named it... just because? Out of the nowhere only because "we have the need to name it differently from the latter seasons"? YukitoOoO 20:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

It is the the original, it had the original cast, therefore it was the original series.--ForceFire 23:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

That's SO not the right answer... YukitoOoO 02:41, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Gallery

How come the other series have a gallery but this one doesn't? JacobtheDoduo (talk) 20:10, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Pokémon advanced ?

I don't understand why Pokémon advanced has been added to the dub seasons, could you explain please?--LeoKetchumB (talk) 19:52, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

The subtitles you see on screen don't always correspond with what the actual season is. The final 12 episodes of the Johto saga are given the Master Quest subtitle, but are technically part of Season 6. As you can see here. --HoennMaster 03:23, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Still seems confused to me but thank you for the answer. Also, the sentence "the series was divided into five seasons" is no longer good since it lists six, right?--LeoKetchumB (talk) 19:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

The Beginning / Gold and Silver

So, in the English dub, this is actually two series, not one. Unlike the other 4 series, we don't have iTunes or DVD releases to strongly reinforce this, but we do have Pokémon.com and some press releases. Most of this information only came out very recently.

"Pokémon the Series: The Beginning" comprises the US DVD seasons Pokémon: Indigo League and Pokémon: Adventures in the Orange Islands ([1] [2]). This series is also mentioned in a few press releases about the German airing rights being obtained by Nickelodeon ([3] [4] [5]).

"Pokémon the Series: Gold and Silver" comprises the US DVD seasons Pokémon: The Johto Journeys, Pokémon: Johto League Champions and Pokémon: Master Quest ([6] [7]*). --SnorlaxMonster 06:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm in favor of this, also it's two series on Pokémon TV. --Raltseye prata med mej 10:46, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm in favor of this as well, especially after the official Youtube channel has divided the series through openings. It is more accurate to divide in two, while also changing the episode codes as "TB" and "GS". (→ Rockapheller, talk to me 04:59, 7 February 2019 (UTC))

There will not be any change in episode codes. Those are based on the Japanese version, not the dub. --SnorlaxMonster 12:26, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Splitting

This is definetely TWO different series (3 in Japan) I'll agree for splitting the articles!--Michail2003 (talk) 18:20, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

And yes, prefixes should be something like TB and GS--Michail2003 (talk) 18:22, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Move to Pocket Monsters (1997)

I'm only presenting this as a possibility in case we need consistency after possibly renaming the "new series" article to "Pocket Monsters (2019)". The discussion for said rename is on its talk page. --Gabo 2oo (talk) 16:45, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Disagree. We must follow a quote due to the format of the Advanced Generation, Diamond & Pearl, Best Wishes, XY, and Sun & Moon series titles. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Pokémon the Series: The Beginning

Unlike other series, TPCI call the original series Pokémon the Series: The beginning. However other series are called on the games of their generation. So why hasn't they called it Pokémon the Series: Red and Blue. DarkDan 13:33, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Because that's just how it is. You'll have to contact them and ask them. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 22:35, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Title

The other series had its title changed. Why hasn't Original Series been changed to Pokémon the Series: The beginning and Pokémon the Series: Gold and Silver DarkDan 01:10, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Perhaps the admins agreed those two should belong under one series rather than be split off into two? GrammarFreak01 (talk) 01:36, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

There was no consensus to split or move the page among the staff at the time. --Abcboy (talk) 21:39, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

The key distinction between the original series and other series is that it's a single series in the Japanese version, but two series in the dub. While it would be possible to stick both dub titles together and call that the article's title, that's really not ideal. --SnorlaxMonster 10:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Adding this being the only series to have episodes animated in Traditional or Hand-Coloured Cel Animation

I don't understand why adding that episodes animated in Traditional or Hand-Coloured Cel Animation can't be notable in the trivia of the main page of the Original Series. I get it that not all episodes in this series used Traditional or Hand-Coloured Cel Animation, even though they are already mentioned in the episodes themselves. If other main pages are notable to be the last series to use 4:3 aspect ratio in Diamond and Pearl, and Ruby and Sapphire being the first series to not use Traditional or Hand-Coloured Cel Animation, then it should be acceptable for the main page of the original series to be the only one using Traditional or Hand-Coloured Cel Animation. Removing it in the main page just doesn't make any sense. - unsigned comment from PokeAmour (talk • contribs)

I'm certainly not an expert on the TV show, so I didn't remove it; I just added that in the edit summary to spur discussion. (so thank you for bring it up here!) I was not aware that other pages do have similar things. Again, not an expert lol. If anyone who watches the TV show more frequently wants to jump in, please do. --celadonk (talk) 15:27, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Oops, just saw Frozen Fennec's edit. I think it's fair that these tidbits should be on the individual episode pages and not here. --celadonk (talk) 15:30, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I get why Frozen Fennec believes that, but what I don't understand regarding the other series being the last series to use 4:3 aspect ratio in DP and first series not to use Traditional Animation in RS being allowed to stay in the series trivia page but only the original series has episodes using Traditional animation can't be listed in the trivia page. PokeAmour (talk) 18:48, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Split discussion

Just opening the split for discussion again, as it seems to be already in the process of splitting. CyberDragonM (talk) 18:26, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

My personal votes for keeping them combined, most importantly given that they're considered one and the same in Japan, which is the source and main canon for all animated series info on Bulbapedia. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

The main problem with that it that we would probably have to rename it Pocket Monsters (Series) or something in that case, due to Original series being unofficial. We might need articles on all three topics though, because they are not considered one series in English at all. CyberDragonM (talk) 18:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

@FinnishPokéFan92. We are not basing these decisions primarily on how the show is divided in Japan. We are organizing the information based on how it is presented in the West. That being said, as this split will require its own considerations, and while we're still finishing out the initial split from Pokémon anime and other terminology/structure updates, we will be tackling the full split for Original series separately at another time when we are able to give it the focus and attention it needs.

This does not preclude us from doing some of the preliminary work of creating links to Pokémon the Series: The Beginning and Pokémon the Series: Gold & Silver. Organizing the various seasons and series of the animated series as it is presented to Western audiences is nothing new nor is it likely to change, though we will still acknowledge and present information about the Japanese releases where appropriate. Landfish7 00:20, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I guess that change is easy to make along with the animation changes. Would we need an article about the Japanese series as well, seeing as it’s a topic in Japan? CyberDragonM (talk) 05:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

You are right on the money about it. For all intents and purposes, while there is overlap between the two languages, it would be beneficial to have separate spaces to be able to detail and explain all three separately. In fact, there's also additional consideration, because even as early as Gen 3, the official site had started to consider the 'original series' as three separate pieces: Kanto, Orange Islands, and Johto. So, the separate page for English and Japanese would allow us the room to detail all of those complications. ^Maverick_Nate 08:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Guess I've just gotten so used to the original series being a term that exists that I felt that the idea of a split wasn't likely to actually happen, especially when it's been discussed several times already without result. It's my usual stubbornness again big changes getting combined with how much trivia and such around Bulbapedia has been built up based on the concept of the original series being a thing. My apologies for placing emotions against logic, as tough it may be for me to do the opposite sometimes. Bulbapedia has gone through a lot big changes in recent times, and it seems like another one is coming. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

So what will this page be called when the split is done? We can’t very well simply call it “Pokémon”. CyberDragonM (talk) 09:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Official Japanese sources, such as VOD platforms, tend to disambiguate it by year as "Pocket Monsters (1997)" from "Pocket Monsters (2019)" and "Pocket Monsters (2023)". So I think some variant of "Pokémon (1997)", "Pocket Monsters (1997 animated series)", "Pocket Monsters (1997–2002 TV series)", etc. would be reasonable. --Abcboy (talk) 12:26, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I understand nobody asked me, but I do think a split would make the most sense. In the way that there's a Pokemon animated series vs Pokemon the Series, there should probably be an Original series vs The Beginning and Gold and Silver Superspongis (talk) 05:13, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

Why are the Kanto anime and the Johto anime together?

In the Johto anime, the episode number is 117 instead of GS01. Why is this? ZoroThePokemonTrainer (talk) 08:14, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

See the above section. The staff are working on splitting the page. The fandom have usually considered the first two series together, partly because they work like that in the original Japanese, so that is why it has taken so long. CyberDragonM (talk) 10:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)