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Phantom Thief! Pokémon 7 Article

For the Phantom Thief! Pokémon 7 Article, should I use PTP701?

Kingofun 07:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good. ZestyCactus 18:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


Why is the main page theme Snorunt and Froslass?

PS: You can get rid of this and reply on my talk if you'd like. --ケンジガール 05:16, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

September 9 and some other things. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 05:21, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
I figured it was for September 9th, but why? --ケンジガール 05:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Echy knows more. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 05:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
⑨/⑨/⑨, KG. TTEchidna 06:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
... I know, but WHY? What does Froslass and Snorunt have to do with 09/09/09? D= --ケンジガール 06:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
⑨ deals with a character who has ice powers. --☆Coolピカチュウ! 06:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Wow. It looks awesome. Happy Cirno day. Thanks, :3 Kevzo8 12:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)


Spoiler warning: this article may contain major plot or ending details.

I added some spoiler warnings to the pages about movie characters, as they contained major spoilers for the movies in which they appeared, but then someone deleted them all! Surely it's really important to have warnings on these pages?! Taromon777 14:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

If you dont want to be spoiled, then dont look at the page. Simple Blake Talk·Edits 14:36, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
But visitors need to be warned that there are spoilers on the page! What's the point in having any spoiler warnings at all if only some of the articles with spoilers have them? Some people might read the Latios (anime) article example, thinking it doesn't contain spoilers because it has no spoiler warning, and then find out the entire plot of Heroes before they watch it! I know this is an encyclopedia, but it is still really important to include spoiler warnings on all the pages which contain them. Why don't the articles about movie characters need spoiler warnings even though they contain the exact same spoilers that the articles about the movies do? Why did my spoiler warnings get deleted? Please can I have some help from an administrator? Taromon777 09:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I dislike spoiler warnings. May I ask how you believe how we can have an article about anything without filling you in on some kind of plot detail? We may as well put it on every single page. —darklordtrom 09:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
I didn't mean a warning for EVERY spoiler, just the major ones. No, we don't need a spoiler warning because an article mentions that Ash sees through Team Rocket's disquise for the three-hundreth time, but if the article mentions that Latios dies, I think that REALLY needs a warning, don't you? Taromon777 10:21, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
We don't need it most of the time but some of the bigger stuff (the few deaths, MD2's plot twist) could do with a warning. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 17:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
OK, so should I add one to Latios's article? I'm just worried I might start an edit war if someone removes it again. Taromon777 18:18, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Eeeer Spoiler warnings should be given in each new section that relates to plot details of movies, past or upcoming, and only movies. Episodes shouldn't have spoiler warnings except in the article itself. Only specific characters that appear in the movies should have spoiler warnings as they relate to the character's role in that movie and potentially release information that some people do not want to see. For Example, characters like Latios should have spoiler warnings unless it is about the Pokémon species in general. :3 PsychicKris 09:16, 4 November 2009 (UTC)


Can someone tell me on how to include VS in the middle of 2 gym leaders,add winner at the end of two gym leaders and move the whole thing to the left? This is the thing:

10th Pokémon League
Generations II and IV

Kingofun 03:17, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

What, you mean something like this? With two different ways of doing it.
10th Pokémon League
Generations II and IV

Luna Tiger * the Arc Toraph 02:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
That reminds me of the gym leader comp in pokespe. Lunick v sonela 19:06, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
That's because it is. TheChrisD RantsEdits 13:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Can anyone?

Tell me the link for Pokemon Heartgold and soulsilver on "Red" I want to see what his pokemon are. DialgaPrimeX 21:21, 13 September 2009 (UTC)DialgaPrimeX

The information isn't actually up yet, but it's the same as Generation II but with Lapras instead of Espeon. —darklordtrom 21:23, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

ok Thanks DialgaPrimeX 21:24, 13 September 2009 (UTC)DialgaPrimeX is the link, just in case you still needed it - Samjohn95 22:07 20 September

Standard Pokémon Images

I brought up this topic on the Project Pokédex discussion, but I didn't get any replies, so I though I'd bring it here instead. This is just a suggestion... do you think it would be better not to use the Emerald and Platinum artwork on the Hoenn and Sinnoh starters' pages? I've noticed that on the official online Pokédexes, as well as recent official books, their RS and DP artwork is still used, and appears to be their "standard" artwork. I know they are the more recent, but Ken Sugimori's Emerald and Platinum illustrations are simply promotional art for those games, and are not considered "standard" by Nintendo. What I'm trying to say is, if Bulbapedia were an official Pokémon site overseen by Nintendo, the Emerald and Platinum artwork wouldn't be used in the main articles, they would use the RS and DP art instead. Does anyone agree with me? Sorry if I made this sound confusing, I didn't really know how else to put it! Taromon777 09:54, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I get what you're saying, but I disagree. We use the latest Sugimori artwork. It is official artwork, even if for consistency Nintendo uses the RS and DP artwork. --electAbuzzzz 10:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

New Routes?

Why aren't there articles for Routes 47 and 48 yet? Shall I create them? Taromon777 16:43, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, feel free to create them. People probably just haven't got around to it yet or haven't got that far. Solar Dragon 17:10, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
Actually it is protected from creation. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 22:27, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
All we know is that they have some trainers and a few other things. Not much to go by right now. R.A. Hunter Blade 05:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
I went back to my roots and took care of making both at least to par. More details will be added when we get them of course. TTEchidna 06:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC) has screenshots of the new routes. Do you think they would let us use them on Bulbapedia if we asked nicely? --Taromon777 17:02, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Serebii gets grumpy when we take his images, so probably not. –MasterKenobi 17:06, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
We'll get our own ASAP. Juuuust gotta find the, ahem, thing to do so. TTEchidna 10:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Color change

I think we'll keep the GS styling until October 15. TTEchidna 09:57, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

What's so significant about the 15th? --Taromon777 21:17, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
It's a day after the anime premiered. In the US, that is. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 22:08, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
And by anime in the US I meant Johto Journeys and in Japan AND America. Probably completely different from TTE's reason though. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 22:10, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
Nope. Day GS came out. TTEchidna 13:06, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh! That's logical. --Taromon777 21:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


Why isn't there a page for the summary pages? Or if there is, where is it? Thermorules123 18:14, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Subsection of menu article: Menu#Pokémon. —darklordtrom 01:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Great Adventure Serebii reported that the new Wii game will apparently been called PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Great Adventure!--ポケモン恋人(会話) 08:35, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

They also said that they are not 100% sure. I hope this isn't the game though... We don't need another dumb mini game. --ケンジガール 08:38, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
So it's most likely a WiiWare game?--ポケモン恋人(会話) 08:43, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
It is for certain a full Wii game to be sold for 4800 yen.--Mew a.k.a. Immewnity was here at 13:33, 9 October 2009 (UTC)


Could this be useful?--Mew a.k.a. Immewnity was here at 13:35, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

What do you think it could be used for? we already got an image like that one.--ForceFire 13:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
The ugly-looking stub template... tc²₆tc26 13:56, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
We have one like this? 800px?--Mew a.k.a. Immewnity was here at 14:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Bulbapedia logo.png
Though not in 800px.--ForceFire 14:31, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
That's the full logo w/ text. This is just bulby.--Mew a.k.a. Immewnity was here at 15:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
If you had a problem with the stub template, you should have bitched about it then instead of now. Everyone else likes it because everyone else contributed in making it. MaverickNate 19:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Creating Userspace Tabs

Is it possible to create user: tabs? If so, how? Tandra88 02:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)tandra88

You mean a tab like at the top of the page? (article, discussion, edit?) It may be possible to make one with user .css coding, but it's a bit complicated, especially depending on what you want it for.
But what do you need one for? Are you asking how to make one for yourself, or suggesting a new tab for the wiki itself? -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 15:04, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
No, I mean the tabs that appear on your userpages.Tandra88 19:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)tandra88
Perhaps you mean usertags. —darklordtrom 21:12, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Game Screenshots

I was wondering where this site normally gets it's game screenshots from.Tandra88 21:24, 11 October 2009 (UTC)tandra88

We tend to take our own, thanks. TTEchidna 10:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Heartgold Soulsilver pics

How come routes and cities still don't have new pics from HeartGold and SoulSilver up yet?- unsigned comment from KantoLegend (talkcontribs)

Probably because we haven't uploaded them yet.--Liquid ICE (User:Cold)(page, talk) 21:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
the game have been out for over a month now should someone have done it yet? --KantoLegend 22:04, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
We'd do it if we had them. Clearly, we don't. —darklordtrom 22:08, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
You act as if it's easy to get those maps. Camera hacks and about 300-400 screenshots need to be edited together to do them. TTEchidna 10:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
How do you make maps for DS games when the perspective of the 3D world changes every time you move? --Taromon777 09:53, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Magic, of course. —darklordtrom 09:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
If the games didn't have maps, then the locations would simply not exist. Even though the graphics provide a more realistic perspective of the in-game world, the maps are still 2D. ;-) Pokemon lover 19:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I never knew that! Well, you learn something new every day! --Taromon777 22:48, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. ;-) Well, I said that in a very summarized way; of course it is far more complicated than that. Pokemon lover 17:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


I saw the note on the main page about Lemonade being orange juice in Japanese. This is not the case; in fact it's a sweet milk drink. I have corrected the information on the Drinks page. See the talk page there for more info. Thorf 14:50, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Unprotect the Pokémon pages

There's no need to protect the pages for the Pokémon species anymore since Studio Bebop shut down. --Shiny Noctowl 20:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

The staff know what we're doing. Hold your horses. You'll get your pages back soon enough. —darklordtrom 22:28, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Besides, what if Studio Bebop is trying to continue their work underground? If we unlocked the pages now and it turns out Studio Bebop's not actually dead, then Studio Bebop could send someone to mess up our coding just to get their application back up and running, quite possibly someone who would sockpuppet to keep making their employer money. We'd best off wait until it can be undoubtely confirmed Studio Bebop has met its demise.
Actually, how can I be sure you're actually on Bulbapedia's side here? A request like this sounds quite possibly like something an insider working with Studio Bebop might ask for...--Shiningpikablu252 22:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
I've been wondering, why were all the pages protected in the first place? I mean, I know there were non-visible changes being made to them, but what exactly? From what's said here, it sounds to me like the pages were being edited specifically to sabotage that Pokedex app or something. Missingno. Master wants YOU! Join the Order of the Glitch! (my talk page) 23:29, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
If I revealed any more, I'd have to permablock you. --Shiningpikablu252 23:58, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Pokémon pages will be unprotected mid-month. Maintenance work, you see. TTEchidna 05:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Isn't Studio Bebob infeinging? Can't we sue the company or send a message to apple requesting its removal from the app store? -LugiaRocks (TalkEdits) 05:40, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
A lot of talking has been done behind closed doors. It isn't too much of an issue now. We've already taken into consideration what you have suggested.--RexRacer 17:37, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

And now it looks like Studio Bebop now has their website back up, the way it was when it went down, proving they're probably not dead after all. --Shiningpikablu252 02:15, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I think we should either let them use it, or make a compromise to make it work. Maybe they give some of the money made from that app to Bulbapedia since the people using the app cant click on ads and get us money. Blake Talk·Edits
But Bulbapedia is non-profitable, and it is not fair to for them to get money because it is the editors work they are using.--Clarky13 14:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Downtime from November 5th

Will I still be able to view Bulbapedia during this time even if I can't edit? --Taromon777 10:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you will. —darklordtrom 10:23, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
So its not really downtime, its just being closed. Blake Talk·Edits 14:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
How about Archives and News? Will they be closed as well?
What about BMGf? It seems I can't read any thread, open my PM page or visit anybody's profile page (I get a database error), is this related? UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 17:16, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Archives shouldn't matter for you, you're an admin there! =] I'm sure if you want to do stuff there, like delete/move any unused episode/movie screenshots, no one would mind. That sort of stuff is considered maintinence as well. ;) MaverickNate 17:21, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I only asked because I was unsure if it concerns all wikis (regardless of if it concerns me in that wiki). But, I think there is something seriously wrong with the servers ATM. Along with the forums being broken for the most parts, I get this when I try to open my watchlist at Archives: (watchlist at BP works well) UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 17:49, 2 November 2009
You're not the only one. It's been like that all day. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:02, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
these server issues are unrelated and just a (bad) coincidence. -- MAGNEDETH 19:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Links to Wikipedia articles

A few Species articles have been made recently on Wikipedia. This is the final tally. Some are already linked, such as MissingNo. and Pikachu. Since the articles are locked, can an admin link these? MissingNo. · Charizard · Pikachu · Jigglypuff · Abra, Kadabra, and Alakazam · Koffing and Weezing · Mr. Mime · Jynx · Mewtwo · Mew · Unown · Rayquaza · Lucario Blake Talk·Edits 14:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

We don't link Wikipedia. R.A. Hunter Blade 14:38, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I know you're very enthusiastic about having recreated so many Pokémon articles on Wikipedia, Blake - but why should the BP link to them when the articles here are superior? TheChrisD RantsEdits 14:45, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
The links were already on the articles for Missingno and Pikachu(and maybe a few others, I diddnt notice). I am not proposing you link them. I figured it was in the Manual of Style to link them. Also, Bulbapedia articles arent Superior. Wikipedia has information Bulbapedia doesnt. Blake Talk·Edits 01:01, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


I have noticed for a while that there has been lots of adverts around the perimeter of articles etc on bulbapedia, i was just curious why theyre there?--MỸŠŦЄЯỸЊӘҒҒ TALK 01:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The ads are there for people who dont have accounts. We have to get money for the servers from somewhere. When you are logged in they should go away though. Blake Talk·Edits 01:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thats understandable. I hadn't checked for the adds after i signed in, but now I've noticed they're gone. Thanks.--MỸŠŦЄЯỸЊӘҒҒ TALK 01:56, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
When I was signed it I saw a six pack add.... -LugiaRocks (TalkEdits) 02:01, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
There's a bad ad reporting thread on the forums. If you see something inappropriate, click on the link in the sidebar and away you go. —darklordtrom 02:19, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Whilst logged out, "get ripped in 4 weeks" was in Bulbasaur's article. Is that really appropriate in what is essentially a children's site? --Taromon777 11:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
The Bad ad reporting thread is for that stuff as trom said before. it is even the example used of the list of link templates page :D--D i o n 2 4 11:44, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Do I need to make a seperate account to use this forum? I tried logging in with my Bulbapedia username and password and it didn't work. --Taromon777 13:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the wiki and forums are completely different things. It would be almost impossible to link them together like that. Blake Talk·Edits 13:53, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Kana Names

Hiya, I was just looking at a few articles and noticed that the names of several characters as they appear in japanese have not be translated properly into romaji, or japlish. For example, the article for the character Sir Aaron ( ) Had the name translated into "Arlon", which is incorrect. アーロン translates directly into Aaron as the " - " is used as a prolonged sound mark and since the first character is A the proper translation is Aaron.

We need to completely revise every single article to that the kana (katakana or hiragana) is written first as a direct translation, and in brackets, the pronunciation/What it is with english spelling. For Example;

  • アーロン Aaron (Aaron)
  • ジラルダン Jirarudan (Geraldan/ Gelardan)

Those are just two examples that relate to human characters alone, I dont not know the full extent of this error throughout the Pokémon but im sure it's quite a few.

P.S. the use of macrons isn't exactly part of japanese speech so I dont really approve of that o.o not that it really matters, I just think it is better to not use macrons for katakana and not just Hiragana. PsychicKris 09:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

So basically you are saying to take all of our official romanizations and change them into Engrish. Yeah, I don't think so.. Arlon is the official romaji for アーロン. It can be seen on various Japanese merchandise printed as "Arlon" in romaji. Know that ロ doesn't strictly mean "ro". It can also be used for "lo" since there isn't any Japanese characters espcially made for "l" sounds. Also, アー doesn't always mean "Aa". Extended "a" sounds are frequently used to pronounce as a long "r" sound such as "Ar".
I suggest you do your research in how romanization works first before you tell us that a huge overhaul is needed. We are not changing Blacky to "Burakki" or Nyarth to "Nyaasu". We don't work like that. --ケンジガール 10:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon Sugi images

I think alot of the images we have are too small. I dont know why. I just came across a webpage with very nice quality images. Maybe we could replace some of them? here is the webpage. Some I was considering to replace was for example Zubat. It's current image is wayy too small, and should be replaced with this. Thoughts? Blake Talk·Edits 21:55, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

They're fine. And we aren't going to steal any pictures from another site. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Did you even bother to visit the page? It says that they can be used freely, just don't hotlink to them (=use the Archives). If you ask me, replacing lowres pics from Archives is always okay. UltimateSephiroth (about me · chat · edits) 22:52, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Since the site does say that anyone can take them as long as they aren't direct-linked (which we don't do anyways) I don't see why we couldn't use them. ZestyCactus 22:54, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I thinbk they're really good, we should use them! Except a couple of the Gen IV ones come up as "X"s on my computer. Taromon 10:30, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Now that I can reply.... I did go to the site, but I probably scrolled down right away. Most of the page wouldn't even load for me. But still. The size of the Zubat pic we have is fine. R.A. Hunter Blade 13:35, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
And the website mentioned is MY website. Yes, you can use the Sugimori images. Only 1 drawback. The new HG/SS artwork, even if it has transparancy, still has white marks arond the image, as if it have been a .JPG before...I don't know why, though. TokoyamiTheDark 09:30, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


I've just noticed I can edit again! Is the maintenence finished already? Taromon 10:31, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. As notified in the Message from the Editor on the Main Page. And in the forums. --electAbuzzzz 10:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
Wow, that was quick! Taromon 13:06, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Overworld HGSS Sprites?

Would it be a good idea for someone to get "partner pokémon" overworld sprites for each pokémon article? I just thought it would be a nice addition. From Samjohn95 14:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Not a bad idea. Of course, most of the sysops have already just undertaken a huge task; they were slaving over a hot stove cookin' dolphin, getting no appreciation! We deserve a few days of rest...--Shiningpikablu252 16:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
You'd get plenty of appreciation from me if I new what any of that means! Thank you for your thoughts. From Samjohn95 20:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
They've been ripped, we just haven't uploaded them yet because we haven't devised a system for doing so. We need to redesign the sprite box, among other things, as well, to show this. - unsigned comment from TTEchidna (talkcontribs)
Sounds like a big task. But if and when you do it, best of luck from me. Thanks! from Samjohn95 21:13, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon Movie 2010

Official site. Is there any reason an article for this movie doesnt exist yet? Blake Talk·Edits 04:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

There was an article for it, called "Pikachu Project 2010", but it got deleted for some reason. Maybe it was because we didn't know enough about it and the article would have just been full of rumours and speculation. Although I think we know enough about it to recreate the article now! Perhaps an administrator should deal with that though. Taromon 16:05, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
There is an article on wikipedia about it, but it is about to be deleted due to having almost no information on it. Basically we know the year, developer, location, and that it has something to do with Lugia and Ho-Oh. Its ok if the article doesn't get made, its just someone had to ask eventually. Blake Talk·Edits 17:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
It was deleted because somebody made it when all we knew is that it had Lugia and Ho-Oh in it. TTE protected it for what should be obvious reasons. So. As usual, just wait for it to be OK'd by an admin, and don't go and ask for them to start it any time soon. It's not really that important right now, seeing as how Arceus and the Jewel of Life hasn't even premiered in English yet. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:41, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
*cough* Australia *cough* —darklordtrom 21:43, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Eh. True. But still. We don't need the page yet. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:47, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
I think there should still be an article about it. It could just contain the few details that we know, and be protected so people can't put in rumours and stuff. Taromon 19:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Pokemon Bubbles

I've noticed that on many pages (especially small ones with infoboxes) there are parts where the pokemon descriptions overlap with other stuff. For example, Cissy. I want to put in a spacer in those pages for those pages but in the eyes of some people it creates too large of a gap. What do you presume we do? BrokenMotor 03:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

What browser are you using? I see no overlaps with Cissy on Firefox or IE. —darklordtrom 05:57, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
I've checked Opera and there seem to be no problem.--ForceFire 07:15, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I checked on Internet Explorer; I see what you mean. It says "Here is a list of Cissy's known Pokémon in the anime" and then there is a massive blank space before her list of Pokémon. It happens because the infobox gets in the way. This is just the way Bulbapedia is designed so I don't think anything can really be done about it. Unless her Pokémon boxes are made narrower, and I don't know how to do that! Taromon 11:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean, it should look better now.--ForceFire 11:43, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Ah, that's much better! Thanks for sorting it out! Taromon 13:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, whoa, whoa!

Didn't know where I should put this, since it applied to a number of pages. I noticed that some Pokémon have been getting their Pokédex entries updated for HeartGold and SoulSilver just by duplicating the Gold and Silver version dex entries. Now, I understand that the Japanese entries may be the same, and that the English versions are likely to follow, but it's not unheard of for Nintendo to restructure the grammar or phrasing of the entry to better suit a modern game. Shouldn't there be something in the entries noting that these are unofficial translations, and liable to change? --AndyPKMN 12:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I think these should just be removed. Even if you do translate them, it will most likely be off. And they might change it for English anyways. I say just dummy the field. That way you wont have to edit all 493 pages. Blake Talk·Edits 13:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't see what the problem is with translating and writing in what the Japanese says it is. First of all, everyone that is helping is fully aware (or at least should be) that they will be completely removed and replaced once the English versions come out. The point is to at least convey what it says so that people have an idea if they are interested enough to read it. I think as long as people are willing to help out, it's better to have it filled in than it is to just say 'Unknown' or something along those lines. As far as Generation I and II goes, they are fine without the Japanese with scroll-over English because they are "official" translations of the same exact text. Again, if it gets changed for the actual releases, then we would be replacing it anyways, so there should be absolutely no problem. (Yaminokame 14:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC))

You can see English Pokédex entries in HGSS by trading an English Pokémon over to HGSS... -Sketch 14:21, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Those are not the translated HGSS entries, but the English entries from DPPt. Thus, I have been removing them as I've seen them added to pages. 梅子 14:24, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know where to put this so here I go

Can I make a page on the webcomic Pokémon X? I mean it's funny and all and has more pages then Super Effective (webcomic) and it's been around for longer. Link: So um, is it worthy of its own article? Lunick v sonela 20:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd say as long as it is to the point and doesn't turn into how it turned out when Recon Dye himself made a page on Wikipedia about it... TheChrisD RantsEdits 20:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Don't forget the é. —darklordtrom 21:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry, I redirected it.--Smartkidhen 21:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


Would it be worth creating an article about the Pokémon annuals? It could have a list of all of them and pictures of the front covers etc. Taromon 17:43, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Never heard of them, but I know what they'll be like. Give it a shot. —darklordtrom 10:14, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
OK, I don't actually have all the annuals but I can add in the details of the ones I have. I have all of them from 2003 onwards. What should the article be called? "Pokémon Annuals"? Taromon 22:34, 27 November 2009 (UTC)


a question about this place in General. Is Bulbapedia run by wikia?--Darknesslover5000 05:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Hahahaha no. 梅子 05:30, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
NO!--RexRacer 05:31, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
what is it run by then? I mean it looks like a Wiki in all respects.--Darknesslover5000 07:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Just because it is a wiki doesn't mean it's in any way affiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation or Wikia. You can get a wiki and install it without being run by them. Bulbapedia, Bulbanews, Bulbagarden Archives, and RPGwiki are all part of Bulbagarden. TTEchidna 07:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
um...can u tell me how to get a wiki that isn't run by wikia?--Darknesslover5000 23:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Wikia is a free wiki site. To get a wiki like this, you have to download the WikiMedia stuff on your computer or server that will hold all the files and everything for your wiki. Its free, but you have to provide the server and domain. Blake Talk·Edits 17:34, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
MediaWiki is the program. Wikimedia is the organization that owns Wikipedia (as its not-for-profit portion) and Wikia (as its for-profit potion). If you wanna know more about the program, though, head on over to the website. TTEchidna 19:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Actually, Wikimedia is completely unaffiliated with Wikia. The Wikimedia foundation is a charitable organization which runs several wikis including Wikipedia and Wiktionary, and Wikia is a for-profit wiki farm. No connection whatsoever other than that they were both founded by Jimbo Wales. --Yair rand 07:17, 3 December 2009 (UTC)


Hi, I'm currently working on a new article, "Pokémon annual". Does anyone know where I can get pictures of the front covers of the annuals? Would it be OK to take them from photobucket or something similar? I don't have a scanner so I can't scan my own copies of the books. Taromon 11:57, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Some covers can still be found on Amazon UK ( I think the images can be used as long as they don't have a site logo pasted on them. Mefredbob 18:50, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
They have pictures of all the annuals from 2006 onwards. I've uploaded them to the Archives. I also uploaded some pictures from other pages, but they have white gaps at the top and bottom. I uploaded a new version without the gaps but it stretched the image. Do you know why it did that? Taromon 12:55, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Clear the cache (ctrl+shift+R). It takes a short while for the image to be completely viewable when you upload a newer version of the file. Kevzo8 13:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)


It seems like the Pokemon Twitter account has been hacked. T.T --ポケモン恋人(離す)(貢献) 20:48, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

It was fake to begin with. 梅子 20:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
But it seemed so real. T_T --ポケモン恋人(離す)(貢献) 21:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
This isn't the place to discuss this, go vent at the forums if you must. —darklordtrom 21:26, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Admin Nominations

Why are the Admin Nominations closed right now? When will they be back open?--Smartkidhen 17:50, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Not in the forseeable future. The admin nomination system was an idea that proved to be... problometic. True, several of our admins and even EB members received their powers thanks to it, but also a lot of pointless nominations were made by users who didn't really think things through. At the moment, we don't have a pressing need for more staff members. --electAbuzzzz 18:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Can Anyone Help?

I want to make something like a personal sandbox like other people but i don't know how. What do you do? Make a page called User:Manaphy1/Sandbox or something? Help! --Manaphy1 19:16, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Yep, that's pretty much it. Just go to your userpage, add "/Sandbox" to the end of the URL in the URL box and hit enter. Then, create the page. Just remember the userspace policy~ - Kogoro | Talk to me - 19:27, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks for the help. --Manaphy1 20:09, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Get Firefox (or other browser) buttons

I think we should put buttons like the following on Bulbapedia in order to spread Firefox or, at least, any other major browser except IE:


It should also look more "Pokémonish". For example, we could put a Pikachu in Foxkeh's place and replace its background with a Pokémon-related one, thus making the button more fitting for the 'Pedia. The only problem for me is that I'm not capable of editing pics at the moment. If anyone would like to do it, then feel free to do so and present your works. ;-) But remember that the trademarks must be preserved to remain legal. More info about that here. Pokemon lover 17:42, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Why should Internet Explorer not be spread? Also, why should Bulbagarden get browser buttons? It doesn't really matter what browser is being used. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 17:47, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Because IE does not respect web standards properly even in its latest version and there are still many people on IE6, despite the progressive decreasing of its usage. It's not a case of exclusive notability to Bulbapedia or Bulbagarden as a whole; it is instead a matter of importance to the web in general. Pokemon lover 17:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like spam. Spam is bad. Duh.--Smartkidhen 18:02, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
It is not spam in any way. And buttons or banners don't force anyone to change. On the contrary, it might get people's attention to try a different browser, thus making them not use IE partially or totally by their will and not by forced change. ;-) Pokemon lover 18:03, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Think about how the site's set up as it is. The site pretty much relies on Firefox for the majority of its interface (like the roundycorners, aniPNGs, and so on). It's just better to use it for this particular site, though downloading FF or not is all up to the user. It's not spam. >_> ▫▪Ťïňắ 18:11, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I think this is a good idea - Bulbapedia really does look awful on IE (when you know what BP is supposed to look like, at least), and the site certainly does rely on FF. And I'd be willing to make a button for the cause. :3 梅子 18:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Maybe it should not say "Download Firefox". It should say something like "Firefox recommended to view site properly" or something like that. - Vhayes1992 18:16, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Besides, we don't want to make it look like Bulbapedia is outright playing favorites with any certain browser. Including a button that blatantly makes it appear that we're playing favorites with Firefox and make it look like Firefox is required to even view most of the site would give us a bad reputation amongst the Internet community. I, for one, don't plan to switch away from Internet Explorer anytime soon, especially to something as sucky and non-standards-compliant as Firefox. If we do include browser buttons like that, we should include browser buttons for multiple browsers, and yes, that would include one for Internet Explorer 8. --Shiningpikablu252 18:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't really matter what browser is used, so I don't think there should be browser buttons. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 18:27, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
I am not touching your implication that IE is standards compliant with a ten-foot pole, but you do realize what the "moz" in "-moz-border-radius" stands for, right? 梅子 18:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
It stands for mozilla, the company that manages Firefox right? But anyways, this is starting to become forums content, so I think it should be moved to the forums. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 18:35, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
(reset) Yeah, this is indeed all better fit for the forums any way one looks at it. --Shiningpikablu252 19:06, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Distorted images

I've noticed that a lot of Ken Sugimori's Pokémon artwork is being replaced with larger, higher quality versions. While this is a good idea, the "shrunk" versions of these images on the Pokémon species articles look horribly pixelated and distorted. Is this normal or is it something to do with my computer? Taromon 13:55, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Someone else asked the same question, about different pictures that were also being updated here, so I hope this helps you. --Smartkidhen 23:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Wow, that's a long discussion! Thanks! Taromon 12:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Google Translate

I'm going to make an account on the french bulbapedia and make some wanted articles by using google translate. Help would be much apprieciated. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 15:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Um.... while help is good, I certainly wouldn't want articles written by google translate on my encyclopedia. I believe the French editors would likely feel the same. —darklordtrom 01:38, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
And, uh, you certainly aren't thinking of translating our articles into French, you were gonna write them yourself, right?--RexRacer 01:45, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
There is no French Bulbapedia. Poképedia is its own wiki, not part of bulbagarden. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 01:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
they are part of Encyclopaediae Pokémonis. they are partners of ours. also, no, never trust Google translate for anything. -- MAGNEDETH 01:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't trust a translator, it might mess up all the grammar. However, it would be a good incentive to learn French! Taromon 15:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
Although there are times I rev up Babelfish, another online translation service, never do I use machine translations as a primary source for translation. If I ever rev up Babelfish for anything wiki-related, it's usually trying to figure out just how inter-wiki links should go on wikis where the interwiki bots do nothing (that is, the French, Polish, and Portuguese ends, as well as the Spanish end which doesn't even have a dedicated interwiki bot). --Shiningpikablu252 17:58, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
google translate has always been OK for me... but i've only made one article, so thats ok, i'll stop. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 16:43, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
If you absolutely need a translation, I recommend to use Google Translate only from translating other languages into English. From there, you can fix any grammar errors and other things. What I don't recommend is using Google translate as a PRIMARY source of translations. - Vhayes1992 17:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe it's just chrome...

But the Bulbapedia Logo is not the bulbapedia logo. It's a picture of a man dressed as a fairy.

Could just be my computer, but I'll upload screenshots if no one else sees it.User:DCM 15:02, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm using Chrome, and that isn't happening. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 15:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
lol. I'd love to see the screenshots. - Vhayes1992 15:14, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't see it. But I'm not using Chrome. I'll check though... nope. R.A. Hunter Blade 01:18, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Try clearing your cache? 梅子 01:56, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Pics or it didn't happen. —darklordtrom 08:14, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
Sometimes things glitch in browsers. TTEchidna 06:11, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

When there's a countdown on the home page, it really should say what it is counting down to. I mean, I'm assuming it's the HGSS release, but now everyone will realise that. It should say "______ until US HeartGold and SoulSilver release!" Taromon 18:32, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

_ check it out. The fairy guy in the upper corner. (just remove the line at the beginning of the link) User:DCM 23:16, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
This happened to me once on Firefox. Only it was a painting of a bottle of wine and a wine glass. The solution to the problem was uninstalling then reinstalling the browser. Don't know if it'll work in this case. --ケンジガール 23:19, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Clearing the cache should fix it in the same manner (presumably you cleared the cache when you reinstalled, Kenji-girl). Most likely the browser is sending a request to the server for the correct image, and through missed packets or something of the sort, getting the wrong image back. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 00:09, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Zelda and Mario wiki links.

Why do we have Zeldawiki and Mariowiki links at the bottom of the main page??--Smartkidhen 20:55, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Because bulbapedia is now a part of something called TEIEN, which the other two wikis are also a part of. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 20:58, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
instead of linking to Wikipedia for any cross-Nintendo things, we would like to rather link to another independent wiki, like ourselves. the TEIEN thing is nothing right now. -- MAGNEDETH 21:11, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
Nevertheless, we could find a way to display them better...--Shiningpikablu252 21:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
We've got a topic set up for that in the forums, Shining. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 21:44, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


Could you please resubmit all sprites in .gif format? My computer can't process .pngs correctly. magikarp123193 17:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't think people would go to the trouble of resubmitting 1000+ sprites in GIF format just for one person. If it was a mass problem, then...maybe. :v Tyro 17:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
So? Mine doesn't either as I'm using Chrome and IE. Does it really matter? It'll probably be in the newest versions of IE and Chrome if it gets one. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 22:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Chrome and IE have nothing to do with it, unless you're using IE 5 or something older. It also depends on your computer. You could have the newest IE, and it still wouldn't work right if your computer can't process anything right anyways. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:45, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
I have Internet Explorer 7 and the PNGs don't work for me. Taromon 19:44, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
My above message was a mistake on my part. I though they meant animated PNGs. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 19:46, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Then it's your computer, Taromon. It has nothing to do with IE, just the processors in your computer that read the data and show images. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
Hang on, is this discussion about animated PNGs, or PNGs just being viewable? I can view PNGs fine, but the animated ones don't move on my computer. Taromon 18:59, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Animated pngs don't work in IE, you just get the first frame of the image as a static picture. Werdnae (talk) 20:31, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Have the GIFs themselves been removed completely? If not, I'd suggest maybe there's a way so that if the user is using an incompatible browser, then the GIF shows up. Not everyone uses Firefox, you know... TheChrisD RantsEdits 20:43, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
None of the GIFs have been deleted to my knowledge. We're using the new animated PNGs for the HGSS sprites only, as far as I can tell. At least, so far. And it's not worth it to redo every anPNG sprite into GIFs just so we IE users can see it, because then we'd have to replace the anPNGs on the actual pages. There aren't any ways to get the anPNGs and GIFs to only show to whatever browser somebody is using. And on top of that, we don't have the ability to detect which browser is being used anyways, which would make the anPNG/GIF switching system moot, since it wouldn't work. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:31, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
It is, actually, possible to detect a user's browser, though I don't think it's possible to replace page content accordingly - and if there was it would probably put a lot of strain on the server.
Conclusion: use Firefox! It is free, standards-compliant, and awesome! 梅子 22:46, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

We have that? I know there are ways you could, but I didn't think that we, as Bulbapedia, had the ability to do that. R.A. Hunter Blade 22:54, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

If the GIF thing is possible without putting a strain on the server, it would be a good idea.
I don't think use firefox is a good conclusion. Chrome is just as good (at least before the new tab page started messing up). IE is also a good option, even though it isn't standards compliant.
Better conclusion: It doesn't matter what browser you use as long as it works for you. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 23:22, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
It's a good idea, just that we'd have to find people who'd be willing to go through every HGSS sprite and make a GIF version of it. R.A. Hunter Blade 23:29, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
As long as you're not using IE5 or something pngs will render correctly. Whether they will animate or not is dependent on your browser, but really, you're not missing too much. TTEchidna 23:35, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

border-radius [FYI]

Well, since it was discussed here before (archive 8)… I've tested border-radius CSS property in the recent pre-alpha of Opera 10.50 and it appears to be working. So, when adding new styles please consider adding this unprefixed version too. So, if you want 1em border radius you need to write:

-moz-border-radius: 1em; /* Mozilla Fx prefixed as currently used here. May be unneeded in the far future but probably not now. */

border-radius: 1em; /* Unprefixed version as defined by CSS standard. */

It would be quite some time until it hits release (windows version will be released earlier though) but it'll save you from future hassle of adding this. Somewhere in the future other browsers will implement this as an unprefixed property too. It breaks nothing. Though it is recommended that you write prefixed version before an unprefixed one. — Tenno Seremel 02:13, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, what I think I may do is build the border-radius style (prefixed and unprefixed) into a div class, so it can be handled directly from the CSS page; as it is, it's already going to be a big job to take all the rounded codes and templates and update them separately. Best to plan ahead for this. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 13:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Johto Trainers renamed!

It's just been announced on, Gold is called Ethan and Kotone is called Lyra. Taromon 12:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Nothing will be changed until we have the games in-hand. -Sketch 13:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

I added that to the HG/SS page. --Vampirebidoof 20:37, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

No. No, no no no. Please do not add anything about the HGSS names Serebii (or's Lyra) reported. Just don't. Wait until the games are released. ▫▪Ťïňắ 20:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

The Admins for Team Rocket got new names too. --~Sparen of Iría~ 23:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

So the new policy around here is "don't trust Serebii"? If he ever posts wrong information, he states that it's wrong and posts it to warn others not to believe it. Besides, he did reveal the Generation IV Pokémon names way beforehand. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 01:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
We've always been cautious, we're just being more cautious. And we're also extremely annoyed at everybody who's been ignoring conversations about everything, yet still adding the info. And a few users have even tried getting around protections and warnings on pages. R.A. Hunter Blade 03:03, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
The policy's not "don't trust Serebii" as much as it is "let us verify it ourselves". I mean, hey, do you have access to Nintendo's internal files, or someone with a prerelease you-know-what of HGSS? Why trust Serebii? He could say that Gold's name is Josh and we'd believe him. TTEchidna 05:22, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Screenshots with characters

Do screenshots with the main characters such as Gold or Lucas really need to be categorized with their name? It makes their category really cluttered. I just don't get it. Blake Talk·Edits 21:58, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I assuming you're speaking regarding categorization at the Bulbagarden Archives. It's for organisational purposes; if a user is looking for a screenshot of Gold or Lucas, then he can search through the category. If you have issues with the system, its probably best to ask Maverick Nate directly. —darklordtrom 04:30, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Temporary Mewtwo Theme?

Is there any way we could change the Main Page for Mewtwo for just Today, the 6th? It is Mewtwo's Birthday...--Purimpopoie 05:15, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Sure, why not. TTEchidna 05:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I was wondering why everything was so pink. At first I started thing Mew. Anyways, happy birthday Mewtwo! Fudgenuggets 09:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
That's a great idea! Happy birthday Mewtwo! Taromon 12:55, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
Can you change back now? Coz i liked the old one. Maybe on the day HGSS are released we could have a "Shiny" theme, because of the "Birthday" of the "Shiny's"! SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 12:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Happy B'Day Mewtwo. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 13:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
No shiny day please >< --Emp, out 14:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
How would we do a shiny theme? Better if we do a... you know, HGSS theme because that's when it's coming out? If we were to have a shiny day because GS introduced the concept... then... does that mean we'll have a Hold Item day and a Pokérus Day? D8 ▫▪Ťïňắ 17:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Um, Mewtwo's birthday is over now, please can we revert to something a little less bright? ;) Kidburla 23:01, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, back to the HGSS theme. Until the end of the month. TTEchidna 23:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Latest Message from the Editor

"(really, creating the Sinnoh Pokédex listing was no big deal)" This should be removed. You are telling people not to create articles for bragging rights and then immediately bragging about an important article you created. The editor-in-chief's behavior should be exemplary. Ultimara6 07:39, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I think he was joking... :) Kidburla 23:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
I was joking. See, the thing is, I made the Sdex listing when I was a noob. It looked like crap, was barely done at all, but I stuck with the style of the rest of the 'dex listings were at the time. Unfortunately what's happening today is that many of our articles, especially those made to circumvent the protection put on the title we planned to use, are absolute garbage. Seen the rant I put in the forums? Seen the deleted revision of the (wrongly-titled) "Jun (Anime)" page? Seen the first revision of Oblivia, back when it was at "Region of oblivia"?
See, I'm pointing it out. Making articles for bragging rights, to say "yay I'm the first revision" is dumb. When I made the Sinnoh Dex, I made it to compile the information we knew. I look back at it and say, "hey, that was pretty good for what we knew then", four years ago. The problem is, lately, people just make the pages so that there's something there, even if we know nothing. Heck, if that article were made by a new user today, it'd likely be at "shino dex numbers" and say "lucario is in the shinoh dex" and have a "THIS IS UNFINISHED" notice at the top.
My behavior should indeed be exemplary. Which is why I point everyone to my first few contribs. Were they awesome? Of course they weren't. They suck compared to the templates and pages I make today. But they prove that all you need to do is learn the style before you do something dumb, and draw from other pages made before. Plus, hey, Zhen and Pie thought my first template sucked. It was too huge. Now, you're new. Go out and make some awesome edits in areas we need it. If you have a Gen III game, play through it, Hoenn's where we're really lacking in good information. TTEchidna 23:50, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
Regardless, even if you were joking, in the context of the news post it sounds like you are bragging. The rest of the content of the news post, the fact that I am new, and the fact that people have made bad edits in the past are irrelevant.Ultimara6 04:33, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Haha. That actually has everything to do with it. It wouldn't sound out of context if you knew anything about TTE's personality. There's one of two things that most newer users normally don't understand: they either think that they can add their opinion to pages as fact and then use talk pages as a forum, or they think that this has to be formal all the time, every second, for every single little thing.
It doesn't have to be. If it was, then nothing would get done around here. There would only be the administrators and a few users editing. Yeah, most new users just join to have an account to say that they're part of the Pedia and they never edit, but there are a bunch of them that do actually help. We've had to be more strict than normal the past few months or so, maybe even half year, because of the hype of HGSS and the other games (not to mention M12). Even then, we're still not all that strict, as long as people follow the rules.
And really, you being new does have something to do with this. Instead of trying to point out a fault that doesn't exist, try editing something other than a talk page. We'll sometimes have users join just to complain about things on the talk page and never actually contribute, and I really hope that you won't be one of them. R.A. Hunter Blade 05:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure your knowledge of who's who on the Bulbapedia administration team is unsurpassed, but you ignore the fact that most of the people who view this site are not admins, they are not even editors and probably don't even have an account, but people looking for information about Pokemon. For this fact, and despite the possible perception of this encyclopedia's subject matter, everything on the site should strive to be as NPOV as possible. When I read the news article I was perfectly fine with it, besides one parenthetical. I empathize with TTE's plight, and agree that the announcement was probably a necessary one, but it sticks in my craw that a "joke", as he calls it, would be jutting out of the news post like a sore thumb. I know nothing about TTE as a person, and I could really care less. I am simply voicing the opinion of what I feel would be the average Bulbapedia reader's. I thought that my suggestion might help to make the front page of the site, the thing that everyone who visits it sees, look a little more officious, and I'm surprised that it has been met as it has. Ultimara6 05:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I actually don't know much about many of the admins, and most of the users. As for who views and uses the site, I know most aren't admins or users. There's also the fact that most people who come here looking for information, don't really read much on the front page, other than maybe the news and the side menu that has the links. The reason that we're so relaxed here about some things, is that everybody is going to get offended by something. Heck, I know some people who hate Pokémon because of the rumors of witchcraft and Satanism that surfaced over 10 years ago, and they never bothered getting their facts straight. And there are some that think battling "animals" or "pets" is cruel, when it's just a video game, yet they go play Call of Duty and Halo and don't worry about actually killing something, in a sense. It's all a matter of opinion, and we try to keep things here nonPOV as you said. But how is one person's comment, much less the EoC on his own "Message from the Editor" section, really going to matter? Of course it's a POV, because it's in his words, from his mind. And it's a POV, because you think that it sounds... let's say, "unofficial" in a way. I really don't have a problem with it, because it's his section he can do whatever he wants. I don't think really anybody else would have a problem with it either. And if you want to get technical, this whole site is POV, because it's compromised of information from Pokémon fans. If it was from Yu-Ghi-Oh fans, the site would probably be a hate site, not an encyclopedia. R.A. Hunter Blade 06:09, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Seriously, Yu-Ghi-Oh fan/= Pokémon hater. Why would they have a reason to hate Pokémon? I know many fans of Yu-Ghi-Oh who like Pokémon. Grawp would make much more sense. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 20:59, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Regarding your comment on Gen III Echidna, I've got Ruby and Emerald, are there any articles I could help improve? Taromon 21:11, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
And I have Ruby and LeafGreen. Tell us what the wiki needs, TTE, and we can probably get right on it. --AndyPKMN 12:38, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I have Ruby, Emerald, and FireRed. I'll try helping by restarting Ruby and going through every route thoroughly when I get a chance. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 22:27, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
The only game I have that I'll be restarting any time soon is Pearl, but I think we have nearly all of that. R.A. Hunter Blade 04:09, 10 February 2010 (UTC)


What's with the new design? I like it, but why was it changed? --GEN1KING 16:20, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Wait, my bad, didn't see the mewtwo thing :P Anyways, happy birthday Mewtwo! - unsigned comment from Gen1king (talkcontribs)

Ken Sugimori Artwork

What's happening to Ken Sugimori's official artwork? New versions are being uploaded, which are incorrectly coloured and are so huge that they go all glitchy when viewed full-size. The images of Venusaur, Charizard, Blastoise and Rayquaza are clear examples. Would it be OK if I reverted them back to previous versions? Just thought I'd better check first, I don't want to start a "revert war". Taromon 13:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I reverted Lucario's and got re-reverted saying "then find me a CMYK to RGB converter"... I think this is very unnecessary and should be changed back. Why make bigger off-color versions? Blake Talk·Edits 16:06, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't think that we need such huge images... all we use them for is in the infobox, and we don't really need 493+ of these hi-res images eating up space. And yeah, they have really messed up colors. :/ The older images from like 2005 or so are really small, though, so if someone could get the Sugimori art around like... idk 300-400 pixels high or so for the Pokémon? Not 1000+. D: ▫▪Ťïňắ 17:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Ummm... guys... this is a matter to talk to Immewnity... ht14 18:02, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

An idea for the location articles

This is just an idea I had... on the articles about locations, such as routes, caves etc, how about a list of HMs required to fully explore the area? Taromon 13:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

cool idea. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 16:02, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
I've just done it to all of Kanto's routes, I'll start on Johto soon! Taromon 19:45, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Baaaaaaaaddd idea, guys. I know you mean well, but having a whole section on it is a bad idea. Incorporable it with the "Geography" section instead.--Clarky13 10:41, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
it is a good idea. I got really angry when i got halfway through mount coronet and realised i needed rock smash :( SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 10:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Good idea for mention somewhere. Bad idea to get its own section on the page. TTEchidna 10:45, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
"Geography" and "Route Description" is the place to be.--Clarky13 10:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Pokemon Rumble Area Names


Then please fix them. 梅子 20:20, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't wanna! It's too much work! magikarp123193 20:24, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
LOL Virtual-Z 20:33, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Wiki = do-it-yourself encyclopedia. It's not here just for others to work on it, and you to look at it. TTEchidna 20:35, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Also, all caps make my head hurt. --ギザみみピチュー 話して 20:37, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
To add more, someone who actually has the game needs to add the information. None of the people I'm talking to now have it. Virtual-Z 20:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Besides, the articles for the actual areas are using their English names in the titles. They were moved to the English name titles almost as soon as visual evidence could be confirmed. Fiery Furnace doesn't need touching (that name stayed the same between Japanese and English). As for the other five areas, the Japanese names are redirects to the English names, and all someone needs to do is relink them. --Shiningpikablu252 20:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
I have rumble, i'll fix. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 10:27, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


I think it's time that this page got archived again. It's getting a bit big, ya? — @ 11:05, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

agreed SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 11:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)