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User namespace

Has been anihilated (wrong spelling, I know)? For how long? Will they return? What will happen to the gazillion controvershal issues that may arise from users such as PokeNovi22? -cliffhanger- Optimatum♏Talk1 Apr 2008

I assume the entire namespace is still somewhere, seeing as there's no record of any deletions (I can't restore "deleted" user pages either). I'm sure everything will be revealed in due time. =P -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 12:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
You can visit them with Top-level categories/user languages
yes. they moved all User namespaces to "Usеr" - which has a cyrillic "e". So in the URL (URLs dont use special chars) it's not "user" but "Us%D0%B5r". hope this helps. it was the admins idea of an april fools joke. This method is faster than the Toplevel category method {{subst:Usеr:Origamiguy/Signature}} 14:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, i didnt know yet
Hehehehe very funnyUser:Darth Cookie Monster
Shh. Pretend you don't know. TTEchidna 20:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The Admins really make me mad sometimes... --Posted by Deadlymethane at 22:13, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, if this is their idea of a prank, they have a very evil sense of humor. -Theininen 22:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC) (btw, does anyone know when they will stop? This has gone on long enough [a week long enough, plz just stop and let us use our pages.].)
Personally, I think it's very humorous. Besides, it's April Fools Day. You had to expect something was going to happen. --PAK Man Talk 22:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I you think it's humorous, you obviously didn't log on and realize your userpage was gone, then take the post seriously! -Theininen 22:30, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Then it's your fault that you took this all seriously :P Tina δ 22:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
and this is why no one takes April Fools for what it is, because they TAKE IT TOO SERIOUSLY. it actually sort of brings me to a point...people are complaining "i want my user space back! wah wah!" its a frickin Wiki, not your personal webspace. good lord. -- MAGNEDETH 23:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Of course, the danger for you all now is that this could turn into something not a joke. Getting people off those user pages for a day apparently made a massive difference in terms of server load. And by massive, I mean that at our usual peak load times, instead of having load values of 50+, we had single digit load. It's probably the first peak period in months that the server didn't crash. If the user pages really are the cause, we're going to have to do something to drastically reduce the amount of abuse they're getting. --Archaic 23:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
First of all, Archaic has a point. This is a Pokémon wiki, not a MySpace or Facebook page. If you want to put all your personal information somewhere, then get an account on those sites, but not here. Secondly, I was aware that my page was gone, and I am also an administrator as well. Seriously, can't people take a joke around here? --PAK Man Talk 23:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
if i may say so, sounds like i hit the nail on the head. id also like to to say that at the very least, people should have their own user page. the sig policy demands it, and now its for naught! -- MAGNEDETH 00:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
And re: what Archaic said before, if that's true, and it dropped off that much, how many people (members and visitors) would we lose? I mean, the site's great, but the userpages give it personality. Seriously, people are drawn in by the articles, but the pages give them something Poké-related to entertain, free and almost alive in and of itself. Think about how many people would come on if there were just information. A lot less. -Theininen 01:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
So that's what happened LOL :)it was a joke lol Happy April Fool's Day:D LOL!!!!Is there any other websites doing a prank??Cool Pikachu!!!

DAMN, now that we know, when do we get them BAACKK!!!?!!!KPF 01:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Only thing i can think of is by vandalizing, and that'll just get you booted and not do much, since they probably have several backups, so we can't do much (unless you know one personally) :( -Theininen 01:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
well, you guys could deal with it and not edit your userpages. it is a Wiki after all. did you not read the above comments by the Admins? -- MAGNEDETH 01:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I have said before (somewhere) that a lot of what people know about Pokémon is from this site, and most of the rest is already posted. Userpages give something to do while waiting for new information to post, otherwise people wouldn't even bother going the site half the time. It shouldn't be a blog, but the pages keep people busy for a bit, until they can contribute otherwise. -Theininen 01:59, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
You know, if no User: namespace articles are really helping the server out, then I think it's time to really cut down the userspace. BG already goes under quite a bit of server load, why bog it down more? :/ Tina δ 02:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually, the articles still exists.PokeManiac102 02:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
the articles themselvs arent the problem, its the mass editing. people join the site and head straight into the User space and go to town, and thats wrong. -- MAGNEDETH 02:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Exactly, no one really pays attention to the whole reason why Bulbapedia exists-- not for the userpages and the neat things you can put on there, but the actual content. Without it being edited as frequently, not much new info is added to the stubs (I'd help expand them, but most stubs are in things that I don't know much about) and so on. Tina δ 02:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Exactly2 (the sequel?). i dont really do stubs for the same reason, i just meander around and keep things looking fresh. ive also got personal projects, like my TM pages project which turned all the TM pages from redirects to the (oh so wonderful) TM page, to individual pages in their own right. furthermore, ive heard people say they dont have anything to do. boy howdy, i was on Walrein's page, and IT DOESNT EVEN HAVE GEN IV INFO ON IT!! it is on my list of things to do (but, ill need some time to set aside for it) but that being said, there is stuff to do, and you are more than welcome to tackle that job. -- MAGNEDETH 02:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Although the user pages are still in the database, I think the main point is that people are not editing or even looking at them now that they're somewhat harder to get to. - 振霖T 04:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Pow. 480+ articles need to be updated to the new movelist standards. Section headings need to be reduced. 500+ episodes need this done. Most also need synopses. Pages need to be made for the rest of the TCG cards; lists need to be updated. We have a lot to do, and the User: namespace is just getting in the way. Have you seen how much got done in the last week since we blocked editing in that namespace? It's beautiful. Bulbapedia's working again.

However, I don't think that the userspace should be blocked and blanked out permanently. That'd be stupid. We're gonna figure out what we're gonna do in the coming month, but mark my words, it won't be long before you can edit userspace again. It just won't be too much. TTEchidna 04:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

works for me. whats the new "movelist standard"? (or is this not the place to talk about it? -- MAGNEDETH 04:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
New standard is the one on Bulbasaur's page. TTEchidna 05:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the removing of user namespaces helped me out cuz if anyone checks my contributions page i think i have made over 70 edits to my own userpage and that's not good for the Bulba. So this is like a rehab for me. Boywonder01 21:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

70? I've made much much morePokeManiac102 21:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, OK, april fools' day is over, you can let members change userpages now. Come on, I know it was part of the prank. -- Glitch Pokémon. Official Pokémon. There is no real difference between the two. In my opinion, the two should be considered equal!-- quoted by Missingno. Master 10:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Not really... It started last week. We'll give that ability back as soon as we've found a viable solution. If you wanna be the guy who patrols how many edits someone's making to their userspace compared to the mainspace, go on and tell us. Believe me, poring over RC is not fun when we gotta update a billion pages to Gen IV style (why have we not done that yet? Userpages!). TTEchidna 21:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Solving the Problem

the following conversation took place on TTEchidna's talk page, and was moved here due to relevence.

I disagree with the conditions of the User Page removal. This may not be the place to gripe about it, but would it be possible to simply limit the number of edits users made in their namespace? To something like, say, twice-per-day? It's a really major change, and, although I'm really enjoying the increased server speed, it's not an all-around good thing. I'll probably get used to it, but it's not easy. --ニョロトノ666 01:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
i agree that the user space shouldnt be COMPLETELY banned. i support a limit of edits per day, but, is it possible to enforce it? also, it wouldnt really prevent people from abusing it. i was thinking a credit system where when you make so many main space edits, you get so many user space edits allowed. but thats probably even harder to enforce. -- MAGNEDETH 01:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
It's not a matter of enforcing it by simply stating it as a rule. The server would have to be configured to only allow a certain number of edits per day. --ニョロトノ666 01:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
well yea, thats exactly what i mean. enforce it, as in, make it impossible to break the rule via a server command (or whatever). the problem is, i dont know if that is technically possible. also, two edits a day is rather strict, maybe 5 or 10. but, if it were 2, it wouldnt bother me much. -- MAGNEDETH 02:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I support the userspace ban. It will probably weed out the people who were here just for the userspace. It's like a rehab for me. Boywonder01 01:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

an outright ban in my opinion doesnt make sence. -- MAGNEDETH 02:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I like the credit system that you proposed but like you said it would probably be hard to enforce Boywonder01 02:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay. It doesn't need to be enforced if it can't be done. I believe the server can be made to block a user if they try to edit their page more than x number of times per day. --ニョロトノ666 02:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
i hope you man "block" as in, block them from the user space, not the whole site! -- MAGNEDETH 02:07, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Banning from the site is a little too much if they are just editing their userspace. i say only if they do it a certain number of times in an hour, then they get banned for a certain number of hours from editing their userspace or something like that. Boywonder01 02:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

well, i was thinking more like "Stock" (think SSBB if you know of it) you use them up, and you are done for the day (User pages anyway) -- MAGNEDETH 02:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

that's a good idea, but you know a lot of people wouldn't like the credit system. They would complain and say something really stupid like "someone stole my credits" Boywonder01 02:32, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

well, its not really possible to steal credits. i think people would be more mad about: "i wuz like editing my user page and it um told me to not edit anymor! halp i need to finiish my page!!!!" -- MAGNEDETH 02:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

there would be a lot of people with complaints like that and this will probably be the most asked question of the hour "How do i get more credits?" and "if i edit my userpage does that count for me getting more credits?" Boywonder01 02:44, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

exactly. i just had a thought. i added 3,000+ chars to the Spheal (and evos), now, if that were to relate to ONE credit each? it would be a rather large jip. particularly, if i think that ONE edit would constitute a fraction of a credit. so, maybe fraction of a credit per edit, and an added bonus of so much credit-ness for how much you edit. ie: fixing spelling (+1) gives you a rather insignificant amount of credit, but, adding entire section to a page, (+3,000) gives you possibly a full credit per 1,000 chars? it may be tough to understand. i hope im making this clear. also, sorry TTE for messing about on your user page. in fact, i think im going to mive this over to "Talk:Main Page". done. -- MAGNEDETH 02:56, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I think that if they had to make so few edits to their pages, it would teach them to use the preview button, a feature most users overlook! MoldyOrange 03:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I get what Magnedeth's saying. Something like that could work out. Personally, once I fix that one link, I probably won't use my page much. People should be able to use them on a basis of Main edit to user edit, but what about if, like Tina said above, we can't do a lot to improve stuff?... Still some bugs in that plan. -Theininen 03:25, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

That would work, but would the server automatically keep count of the amount of credits people earn? Boywonder01 03:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

well it would pretty much have to. in fact, it already does. its called the Bulbapedia:Top contributors of the month. (i did pretty good last month) in fact, that should be updating soon. im just not sure how it would all work. im not good with techno-babble. -- MAGNEDETH 03:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

It could be that for everytime you edit your namespace it's two credits and for every personal page you create it would be like 5 credits. Boywonder01 03:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

yea, that sounds easier than "fractions of a credit". but i cant help but think that creating a new page should actually cost more. maybe 10+. then again, were talking complete speculation and general idea tossing here. theres hardly a chance any of this will be adopted. -- MAGNEDETH 04:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually, Zhen and I discussed it a bit. The problem is less the actual idea of the credits, more the enforcement of it. TTEchidna 04:38, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Could anyone add to Ninetales' page that it _does_ learn Solarbeam in Generation IV..? It's missing, and I'm newbie... Yatski 13:16, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I will! TESHIGIGAS 13:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

I honestly just like the limit idea. You can only edit your user page X times per day. It would encourage people to use the preview button. --Posted by Deadlymethane at 20:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

We're determining what X should be. Expect it following the 73rd element. TTEchidna 21:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
guess that means were going to wait a while, because were only on The Fifth Element... -- MAGNEDETH 03:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
By 73rd element, I'm guessing you don't mean Tantalum...
I support the idea of a limit on userspace edits per day, but I think the limit should be fixed at some value for X. The idea of credits just doesn't jive with me. I mean, I just spent what must have been an hour working on a page, and the net change was -33 characters (because I was replacing links with templates, and so on). So how many credits would I get for a significant amount of toil? And how would you implement that, anyway? It seems like it'd be much easier to set X at three or four, rather than having to keep track of how many "credits" that user had.
Oh, and because I'm petty, I'd also like to add that I'm not arguing for my sake here. I have edited my userspace in the past, but I'm not likely to do it much even after we're allowed to again, so whatever X is shouldn't affect me much. --MartonimosTalk 04:16, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

So the userpages are back???

-swears- Damn, I was hoping I won't have to go through the trouble of digging through my userpages just to stick a 'delete' notice on them...Optimatum♏Talk|08:55 4 Apr 2008

Except they're apparently locked from editing. That and for some reason, the <references /> template on mine won't work.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 12:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
It's working now, no? Optimatum♏Talk|09:15 6 Apr 2008
Of course they're still locked... But people go look at them longingly... meaning the server still is stressed. Anyway, the frequency with which I edit my userpage (not way back when, I mean now) is what everyone should strive for. TTEchidna 10:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
Huh? Yeah... I think it's much easier to edit, but I haven't been editting... shame really, I hate lack of access to my laptop, and using a PSP to edit Bulbapedia is like trying to mow a feild with a pair of scissors.... possible, but time consuming. TESHIGIGAS 12:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Accessing Bulbapedia with a PSP is already less then enjoyable, IMO. I mean, if I need to look up a Pokémon entry while I'm playing Pearl in my bed, then I grab my PSP, but aside from that, I can't imagine trying to do regular edits with the PSP browser... -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 02:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Lol, I have my laptop back now anyway, so I can edit normally again. Yeah a PSP browser is ok for looking up entries but is errible for editting XD. But then again, it's easier than editting on a DS XD Lol. TESHIGIGAS 12:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

what is your problem????

I can't edit my own page anymore you messed up peeps! I need to change my new sinnoh accomplishments, and write in my friend code, and maybe even finish pokesanity version 1, but no! You guys are all, "Oh my! People troll userspaces! Let's ban editing them! for good!" What about the users themselves? I don't know about anyone else, but personally I'm just saying, "What the heck is going on?" -11manafreak7

First off Calm down, the reason behind the TEMPORARY BAN is because the server was being overloaded with so many userspace edits that nothing on the main space was getting done. The admins are working on the problem right now. Just have patience. Boywonder01 11:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

And don't leave such huge gaps... you can put your signature on the end of your comment. No user page editing isn't the end of the world... TESHIGIGAS 13:05, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Maybe this will help you cool down a little. --Posted by Deadlymethane at 14:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
ROFL... XD TESHIGIGAS 13:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

New Games!!!

Did you see the new possible game names and the release date for the name? Soon, we'll know (& then maybe GSDS?) -Theininen 01:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hooray! More speculation! That's just what Bulbapedia needs. :-D --Posted by Deadlymethane at 20:06, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, totally exciting, I'm literally jumping for joy XD. Though all Generation V needs is Evolutions of previous Pokémon, just like Generation IV did. Oh and pre-Evolutions too. Then Farfetch'd won't be so farfetched anymore... XD Lol! TESHIGIGAS 11:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Lol. --Posted by Deadlymethane at 11:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)


I was thinking about adding a few pics to some of the Friend Areas. The help files were a bit shaky on this, but I should probably upload the images to Bulbagarden, yes? -- Bug Catcher Jam 23:02, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Yup. Just click the "Upload file" link in the toolbox on the left of each page, and you're there. Keep in mind, though, that the 'pedia and the archives are separate branches of Bulbagarden, so you'll have to create a new account on the Archives before you can upload anything. --Martonimos((Talk)) 23:12, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
Ah, thank you. -- Chris 23:14, 17 April 2008 (UTC)