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Subpages of a userpage

Hello, I noticed you warning people about their userpages, so I thought you'd be the right person to ask this. The thing is, I would like to create a subpage listing my in-game teams using the standard team template, since I want there to be more things related to Pokémon and me on my page. I wanted to ask whether or not it is allowed at all and what I should keep in mind besides not editing excessively. Thank you! Kikugi (talk) 10:16, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Making subpages for that is fine, the rules for subpages is the same as a normal userpage. An edit to your subpage also counts to the "three userspace edits per day" rule.--ForceFire 10:28, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Another offensive username

Puta is a really rude word in Spanish(I think the account maker failed to use proper alts, but their intent is clear...is this worth your time for an unacceptable username?--BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk) 17:16, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

"Not everything is a pun"

...I never said everything is, but SM is known for them and "ワル" is not a Japanese word, but "warui" (悪い) is! And since it's spelled as "ワル" and "Warubiaru" (ワルビアル) is in the episode it makes sense it's a pun. I have no idea what your problem is and I don't care, but I've already explained why it's a pun. "ワル" isn't used as "bad" in katakana, but words are used in different characters when they're a joke. Like the episode with Dhelmise with "Ikari" (anger) being used as "いかり" as "anchor" but the same spelling "Ikari" also can be used to mean "怒り" (anger). Playerking95 (talk) 19:31, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Please respond and change it back because it's not spelled the right way, meaning it is a pun. I don't care what your problem is, but not correctly addressing a pun in a title that clearly has one just makes Bulbapedia look stupid. I've been obvious why it's a pun. Why can episode titles like SM071, SM065, and SM040 be acknowledged but not this? Playerking95 (talk) 14:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Just because "waru" is written in katakana, doesn't mean it no longer means "悪" or has a different meaning. "ワル" is still "悪", it's not some nonsensical word. And yes, "悪" can be used by itself. As for the title, "waru" could also be referring to Nanu, considering his attire and the fact the title includes "oyaji" (since it's "...waru oyaji wa...").

As for the other episodes, they're fine. Ikari can mean either Anchor and Anger, like you said, so that's a pun. "Mairimasu" is pure nonsense and could only be a pun. "Pan-paka-pan" is a trumpet fanfare with just happens to include the word "pan", and the episode was about bread.--ForceFire 15:20, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

The idea that not translating a pun is bad needs to be addressed.

Translating puns is HARD.

It is not always worth wracking your brain over or compensating for otherwise. And it's not even necessarily worth forcing something. Not translating a pun does not make Bulbapedia look stupid... Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:37, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Surge/Terrain confusion

There's confusion going on in the anime whether the Tapu are activating their signature abilities or using the Terrain moves. This issue has been resolved with Tapu Koko, but people are still mixing up Tapu Lele and Tapu Bulu's Abilities with their Terrain moves. When Tapu Lele and Tapu Bulu activated their Abilities Psychic Surge and Grassy Surge respectively, users are assuming that they are using the attacks Psychic Terrain and Grassy Terrain instead. That is not the case. In Rising from the Ruins! and SM075, when Tapu Lele and Tapu Bulu enter battle with Rockruff and Lycanroc respectively, their Surge Abilities go off at the start of their battles. This happened with Tapu Koko as well when it battled Pikachu in The Guardian's Challenge! and A Guardian Rematch!. The Terrain moves can go off during any point of the battle, however the Surge Abilities can only activate when the Pokémon enter the field. Another point to show that it's their abilities activating in those episodes and not their attacks is in Revealing the Stuff of Legend! where all four Tapu used the four Terrain moves to show Ash and the gang Nebby's backstory. Even the anime makes mistakes as shown in SM075 where Acerola and Rotom misidentify Tapu Bulu's Grassy Surge as Grassy Terrain. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 21:32, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

I've removed them and added a hidden notice. Abilities and moves need to be explicitly said, especially those that would potentially have the same exact animation.--ForceFire 03:11, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok, looks like Psychic Terrain was confirmed via dub captions (which is fine, until/unless the Japanese version says that it's something else later on). Grassy Terrain was said, which you've noted. Is it an error? We don't know. But for now, it is not an error unless they contradict themselves and call it Grassy Surge later on. At the end of the day, the is no confusion. Assuming moves is something you shouldn't be doing. If it is said or revealed in close caption, then that's final.--ForceFire 12:08, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok. I wanted to make sure if the move used was either the Terrain Move or the Surge Ability. Thank you for clearing it up. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 20:48, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Requests

If you would be so kind, could you please hear me out and consider doing a couple things I can't do (at least without permission, in some cases):

• Template {{Trainerentry}} has several handy redirects for Trainer classes that have changed their names over the years, such as "Cooltrainer" to "Ace Trainer" and "Rocket" to "Team Rocket Grunt". However, there are several Trainer class name changes that have either been missed or happened after the template was last edited, like "Rocket Grunt"* to "Team Rocket Grunt", "Pokéfan" to "Poké Fan", "Swimmer ♂/♀" to "Swimmer", and "Clerk ♂/♀" to "Office Worker". There may be others than these, but anyway, my point is, could you please add the missing redirects to the template in the same way as the already existing redirects?
• Back in January, I suggested that the Pokémon League (Alola)/Title Defense page should be split into separate SM and USUM Title Defense pages. I've already got the USUM section ready right here under my own userspace in case the idea gets approved. Do you think the page should be split?
• Ummm... I recall having a third request, but it doesn't come to my mind right now. I'll come back if I can remember it.

--FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:59, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

I've added the examples you've provided. If there are any more, do let me know.

I've forwarded the article with the other staff members.--ForceFire 08:16, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for hearing me out. And indeed, I've discovered a few more redirect links that should be fixed: "Officer" and "Policeman" to "Police Officer", "Interviewer" to "Interviewers", "Socialite" to "Madame", and "School Kid" to "Schoolkid". Also, a couple of other things related to this subject:

In Generation II, the "Swimmer" class was classified as "Swimmer♂/♀", as in without a space, while in Generation VI, it's "Swimmer ♂/♀", as in with a space. The latter redirect is yet to be fixed.

In Generation II, the Trainer class that would later be known as "Schoolkid" was called "Schoolboy", hence why "Schoolboy" redirects to "Schoolkid" (or rather "School Kid", a redirect link). And then, in Generation VI, we were introduced to the separate "Schoolboy" Trainer class. As such, the Schoolboy links from Generation VI now lead to an incorrect article (similar to the "Medium" link from Saffron Gym's page, actually, due to the Channeler class's renaming in Stadium, but that's a much more minor subject). I know this may be an impossible or at least a difficult problem to solve properly, but I decided to bring it up nevertheless, just in case.

The request I forgot about yesterday is actually a pretty old one: back in 2013, I made a suggestion to change the {{Gym Leaders of Unova}} to better separate the BW and B2W2 Gym Leaders from each other, but my edit (which you can see here) was undone, because I hadn't talked about it beforehand. Since then, I've forgotten, remembered, and re-forgotten this multiple times, but now I've finally managed to make myself bring this long-forgotten topic up again. Could the template be edited in this or at least in a similar kind of way, or do you feel it's good enough as it is?

Also, I've also come up with a couple new things I'd want to propose since yesterday: could "Tide Song Hotel" and "Kantonian Gym" receive their own articles? I've already asked people's opinions about these ideas on Heahea City and Malie City's talk pages, and at least the Tide Song Hotel split seems to have gotten some support already. Could you take these splits into consideration as well? Thank you.

--FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Oh, and while I'm at it, I also found one Orre Trainer class redirect to fix: "Fun Old Lady" to "Matron". --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:35, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Ah, didn't see the subtle difference with the Swimmer trainer class. I've added the other TCs.

I think the Unova Gym Leader Template is fine the way it is. Repeating the same Gym Leaders is pretty unnecessary, while I do get why, the template is about who are the Gym Leaders, separating by game isn't necessary. Plus, the three newer Gym Leaders being at the bottom of the first eight already implies that they were added later on.

I've forwarded those suggestions to the other admins as well.--ForceFire 05:11, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

I actually just saw you making that edit. Thanks a lot.

I understand. It's fine. I won't raise that topic again.

Thanks once again. I'll be waiting for the results. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 05:36, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Force preview question

I've heard about the force preview group, where you have to preview your edits before publishing them. And I thought it might help me slow down and evaluate if my edits are actually helpful, since I have a tendency to act impulsively. Is it possible to ask to be put in that group? I was just curious. Incentive (a.k.a. Veralann) 02:49, 21 May 2018 (UTC)