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Hmmm....

Is the color and box from the Tutoring Moveset (I think) supposed to be expanding past the sprite box? I see the Rock type stuff, if that matters. (No, I don't think it is my browser, other Pokémon's pages are still fine) The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 14:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I have fixed it stop the problem was that he closed the time, not the tutor box stopDCM_{((曲奇饼妖怪Spy on My Edits))}

Out of intrest

Has anyone tried to see if Arceus' ??? type forme is in PBR? Zsaberslash 20:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

And possibly in Platinum, as well? In a method other than cheating? --Bulbapedian - Talk 20:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Picture

Instead of fanart ...shouldn't we use something OFFICIAL even if its just a PBR screenshot, or a sprite --LilRed 00:11, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

The fanart fulfills our needs best. Besides, the official artwork is only a couple of months away now. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 00:32, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

If they'll release an official artwork of Arceus, does it mean that Arceus is officially released also?Palkia38 06:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, this is what it would seem like. It's predicted to be released at a similar time to the next movie. — THE TROM — 06:56, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

How on Earth did whoever drew that picture get it so perfect when the sprite is so tiny? They must have got something wrong surely? Taromon777 19:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the artist, Seyanni, did get several details wrong from what we now know about the features of Arceus. First of all, the face has two lines running across it, not just one. There are grey triangles on the inside of each of its legs, and the red parts of its eyes have black slits, like Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. In addition, the wheel is more pointed and the green circles he/she drew are actually gems. So, really, like I've said before, this fanart is far from accurate, but now there's really no need to replace it (though I've given the site several months to use my own artwork (http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Arceus-Final-106548360), which is, of course, more accurate) when Arceus is set to be revealed on the 15th (with a leak anywhere from the 12th to the 14th). (Of course, the Pokémon set to be revealed could also be something else.) Xous 18:16, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Reveal

Looking at Darkrai and Shaymin's, it seems that the reveal will be just around February 14, 2009. Isn't that convenient. So I'd like to notify you all... don't bother with it until then. TTEchidna 06:52, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it is expected to be leaked today, and officially revealed on January 19.--Mence Master 13:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Listen to the Editor-in-Chief. Don't bother until the reveal. The Dark Fiddler - Nos hablamos? 13:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

And TTE is right. I think he has psychic abilities. -Anangryzapdos 19:03, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

???-type Explanation Doesn't Make Sense

One of our members brought up a good point about the explanation (in this article) about why Nintendo put the ??? Arceus in the game. We think that it was put in because Nintendo's code for Multitype required a sprite to be filled for every single type. This is our best guess, and I certainly think it's more plausible than "preventing game crashes for hackers." Hackers can crash the game quite easily otherwise - why would they prevent it in one way when we can do it in a thousand other ways? Remember, Nintendo doesn't care for or even acknowledge hackers. -Coolbho3000 00:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Following that logic, why put a vestigial Safari Zone in GSC? Why make it harder to access MissingNo in Yellow and impossible in FrLg? Like it or not, Nintendo has put many things in for the purpose of preventing crashes. Kiryu 04:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

The Safari Zone in G/S/C was there because it was originally supposed to be in there, but they decided later not to include it. And Missingno. was excluded from later games because it was a glitch that was accessible without cheats. They took it out for the same reason that they hire game testers: they want their games to be as glitch-free as possible. And it did cause crashes, but it could be accessed without cheats, unlike the ???-type Arceus. I agree with Coolbho.--Celebi96 13:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Animated sprite.

It doesn't change for me. It's just the regular Arceus. --ケンジのガール 00:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

you maam are using Internet Explorer. that is an animated .png, which your browser does not support. -- MAGNEDETH 00:59, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't you think that's a little unfair for people who prefer to user IE? What's wrong with just using a gif file? --ケンジのガール 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

lesser quality. take it up with TTE. -- MAGNEDETH 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

You should use Firefox. D: -Sketch 01:05, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I have used it and I hated it. It made my computer move incredibly slow. --ケンジのガール 01:16, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

How many addons did you give it? That's usually what kills it. I mean, mine's running using 118,784K, next most is Windows Explorer with not even 10% of that much. It's a given with the 13 extensions I have for it... Anyway, Opera's most recent release supports anipngs too, or so I've heard. Given, I plan to make that specific spritecycle a gif again, since the whole point of that is to animate. Other anipngs you don't lose much with them being not animated. TTEchidna 01:35, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Google chrome doesn't accept anipngs, and firefox takes an age to start up for me. I also hate IE. Lord of Origami 11:28, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

It works on opera just fine, Who uses IE nowadays anyway? And Mozilla's slow.... too slow.--FF(edits-talk) 11:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, I recommend you try Opera, if you haven't done so. It's light, fast, simple to use, secure, stable, complete and free so you don't have to worry. And it'll still work with Windows 98. XD Besides, it's MS's fault for not giving better support for web standards 'cause it's "cooler" to use their own. Pokemon lover 18:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

???-type arceus existance

If anyone can hack platinum and try changing arceus' type to ???-type and it appears then its existance is official, anybody care and try?--Nobody777 12:22, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

We have the sprite. That's all the proof you need. Θρtιmαtum_Talk 14:01, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

sorry, forgot about that. --Nobody777 14:03, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

origin

there is a legend in arab myths that says that god created a horse from the north wind and it was the frist being on earth, arceus is a horse and the first Pokémon in existance, should we add this to the origin part in the article?--Nobody777 13:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

That seems more like an origin for Suicune, because of the north wind bit... Though Suicune isn't a horse. I don't know, it might be a legitimate origin.--Celebi96 14:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Arceus reminds me of the andalites from the animorphs books except it only has two eyes and no arms or tail. However in the movie it can speak with telepathy. Did any one else notice the similarities or am I just insane?--Mtn otter 17:41, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

...

I saw this likely vandalism in the tivia section:

At level 80, Arceus is the second highest level non-glitch Pokémon available for capture. The highest is Magikarp which can be caught at level 100 in Pokémon Platinum. It is, however, still the highest level legendary Pokémon available for capture.

I am hoping this is a joke or vandalism.

Alakazam 2

Check Magikarp's article. It's a legit piece of trivia. -- Jïörüjï Ðērākō.>.cнаt^ 07:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Official Art

Here we have it, Sugimori's Art for it, taken directly from the site. <img></img>--Mence Master 02:18, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Is that acceptable? I got it from the Japanese site. I know, it's a bit small.. --×Kevzo8 02:39, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

the official image is already on the page. -- MAGNEDETH 02:49, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

OIC. I posted the wrong image, though. Twas an anime art. D: ×Kevzo8 10:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

PokéBeach has cut out all of the arts, including the official art, but WPM has requested that nobody use that art.

--Mence Master 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Is their any artwork for the other types, or just Normal typed Arceus?Jmvb 22:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

New artwork (actually biggest):

--Mew a.k.a. Prmatt11 at 01:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

U.S. Reveal

Since the page is locked, can one of the mods make a note about how it has not been revealed in the U.S., and probably won't be until early next year. --HoennMaster 04:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

That's Anime art. Official Art is similar to it's Platinum Sprite.--Mence Master 03:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

What does that have to do with my post? --HoennMaster 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll answer. That's not necessary to say. Besides, it's speculation. -Sketch 20:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Type-change grammar

Due to the special coding for Multitype, if the page changes to Electric or Ice, the grammar in the article becomes incorrect, displaying as "a Electric-type" or "a Ice-type". Since I have no idea how the coding works, and the fact that the page is protected anyway, would it be possible for someone to fix that bit of grammar on the Zap and Icicle versions of the page?

A minor error, but an error nonetheless. βetA ZerØ 03:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it, TTE. βetA ZerØ 04:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Just realized the same grammar error is on this talk page... βetA ZerØ 22:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Should be fixed now... βetA ZerØ 22:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Typer effectiveness box for ??? type

Considering the the ??? type can show up at random on this page should a type effectiveness box show up for it too? Jmvb 16:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I guess I could do it. I don't know the numbers though, ar all types just normal effective?--MisterE13 16:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

??? has no strengths and weaknesses; all types are normal. Learned this from Weather Ball and Shadow Sky. βetA ZerØ 16:50, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Just remembered that the page is protected so I can't actually change it. LOL!--MisterE13 18:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't bother. One, there's no way to access ??? Arceus, so it doesn't matter, and two, the type effectiveness of anything against the ???-type is NORMAL DAMAGE. TTEchidna 05:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Arceus to be in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky!

Hi everybody, I just got information from Serebii.net today confirming Arceus will appear in the game as well as several other things as well. So the In Side Games section you can put that Arceus will make it's Mystery Dungeon debut in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of the Sky. --Dialgafan1 19:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)Dialgafan1

Unfortunately, it only appears as a statue and can't actually be encountered or recruited.--Celebi96 14:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

English Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry.

The anglish Pokémon Platinum Pokédex Entry has been confirmed as "It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world. " May someone edit the page to include this? ~m190049^~talk 20:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk page glitch

I noticed when Arceus' page is ???-Type, the message on the top of the page says "DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A NORMAL-TYPE! It just IS!", incorrectly... ~m190049^~talk 20:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

It's because it changes on the second you access the page. Since you accessed the talk page on a different second than the article, it's different. If you go on the page and wait exactly 18 seconds (or a multiple thereof) then check here it should be good.--MisterE13 20:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

US Platinum dex entry/page unlock

Can someone please unlock the page so that the English Platinum Dex entry can be added? And why was it even locked in the first place? Frugali 12:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Because of the upcoming movie and some impatient users. --Prongs (Talk • Contributions) 12:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

I you want, you can just add the entry here so that once admins are around, they could place it in the article. ◄Kevzo8► 12:16, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Someone already posted the Dex entry above me, but I guess I'll just copypaste it: It is said to have emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world. And yes, I would want an admin to put it in if it's going to remain locked until the movie's release. Frugali 12:19, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Done. Thanks guys for noticing this. — THE TROM — 21:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Protected

Why is this page protected?--Thomas Michael William Patrick Sales 10:01, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

*cough* Movie 12 *cough* Kevzo8 10:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Event Moves

Should the Event Moves (Spacial Rend, Roar of Time, Shadow Force) be added to its moveset? It knows these at Level 100 at the Japanese event this summer. - unsigned comment from JacobCrystal (talk • contribs)

Should we insert the Movie Arceus event?

I mean, Corocoro had already revealed that there is going to be an event in HGSS unlocked by Movie Arceus where the player can choose a Level 1 Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina. I think it should be worth noting that they should mention this in this article. Weedle Mchairybug 13:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Name origin

Hey guys, an idea had just sprouted in my head. The name might also come from the latin verb arceo, which roughly translates to "I watch from a distance". /Ziemniax

Actually, that word means "enclose". But it could still be a name origin, since Arceus was enclosed in the Hall of Origin.--Celebi96 14:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Both of you are right. if it has a long e then it means "I watch from a distane" but a short e means "enclose"--Mtn otter 17:29, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Arceus catch Trivia

As a point in the trivia I think it should be mentioned that Arceus is the only trio master (as of yet and i suspect always will be) not catchable by typical in-game mechanics instead needing to obtain an item solely distributed by a Nintendo event. All others are obtainable in their original generations via typical methods (i.e. just a simple in-game event or simply trading from a complimentary version) rather than and individual physically having to go to a Nintendo event to receive an item that cannot be obtained in games. I'm sorry if this point seems to sound redundant but I'm not sure if everyone will understand what I mean. -- D558 06:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Psh, who says you have to go outside? You can WFC the Azure Flute... eventually... presumably... likely... in the future. But yes, that's a good point. Do it. TTEchidna 06:24, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I dunno if the page is protected or if my ability to edit pages has been taken away but I can't add this trivia... I guess i'll have to wait until it is unprotected or someone else will have to state this fact -- D558 18:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to have playable MP3 files to get Pokemon cries? I'm getting confused as to what Arceus' sounds like, because the text box says Dodogyuuun! and [this movie] has mediocre sound graphics and sounds like a hi-pitched vibrating and Ayeayeaye! - unsigned comment from Giratina's Embodiment (talk • contribs) 19:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I think Filb.de has them. I had all the Sinnoh ones at one point, but I may have deleted them when iTunes tried to be stupid with them. —darklordtrom 20:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Have a ball. TTEchidna 05:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Arceus infobox at the top of this page

Shouldn't this be in the article instead? What is it doing here? -- Socob ^{( Talk | Contribs )} 13:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

TTE found them too distracting for the articles. Here it's mostly a warning not to ask why Arceus is Psychic.--MisterE13 16:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I see. It does seem to be kind of messed up, too. -- Socob ^{( Talk | Contribs )} 12:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

HGSS Overworld

Isn't that cool if the page have the HGSS overworld?, other pokemon too - unsigned comment from Arceus Vs Dragon Trio (talk • contribs)

These will most likely be included somehow; we just need to work out where. It's been what, a day? Give us some time to get the images first. —darklordtrom 22:37, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Name

Apparently (due to the Austrailian trailer floating around the Internets) Arceus's name is pronouced ARK-eus. Aura-Knight 13:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

There are so many pronunciations out there that Bulbapedia doesn't keep track of them. In the past there have been discrepancies between the anime and the "official" books, and even between multiple episodes of the anime. —darklordtrom 20:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

1000 arms???

umm... just wondering...why does the Pokédex entry say that it has 1000 arms? I was looking at it and it has four hooves, no arms? Isn't it kind of weird to say it has 1000 arms and then when you see it it has no arms (or four if you count hooves as arms)?--Smartkidhen 00:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, Arceus could retract them. Ask on the forums, because that is where this belongs. Alpha CuboneKing 00:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay

Derp. Hey. Multiform things always have the show/hide option because their other types can be freely switched to at will. Keep it that way. TTEchidna 14:25, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Special Moves

Okay, someone really ought to add Shadow Force, Spacial Rend and Roar of Time to the "by events" section. If no one edits it or gives me a reason not to, I will add this ----GEN1KING ([[User talk:TALK]]) 04:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

I have added the event moves section to the page. thank you.

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GEN1KING ([[User talk:TALK]]) 05:24, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. —darklordtrom 05:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Arceus HAS appeared in side games

WiiWare Mystery Dungeon. Need I say more? TorchicBlaziken ^{(talk•edits)} 17:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. So where is he in the game and i will gladly add it. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 12:48, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Cmon. Someone must know! SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 17:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Lol. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 16:25, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Come on! Come on! SpecialK Leiks Lucario and the Celebi Glitch 12:56, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

arceus appears as a statue in explores of sky and in the new mystery dungeion pokeexlpores for the wiiarceusLX leveled up! 00:56, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

In mystery dungeon for wiiware, Arceus appears in a Wonder Mail W mission downloadable from wifi. It takes place in either final mountain, final cave, or final island. 67h5r6h 22:06, 18 July 2010 (UTC)67h5r6h

Another possible name origin.

Could its name come from arcus cloud? - unsigned comment from Taromon777 (talk • contribs)

Likely not. The current ones seem more plausible to me. —darklordtrom 09:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Movie 12 Arceus

If you trade the Movie 12 Arceus from an English HG to an english SS, then can the event be activated in both games?Brock*PWN* 00:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Most likely. When they come out we'll know for sure after somebody gets that far in both games. R.A. Hunter Blade 02:14, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Side Game Data

It appears in the new Ranger game. Someone should add it.--Skaisdead 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Side Game Data

It appears in the new Ranger game. Someone should add it.--Skaisdead 19:04, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Added (Yaminokame 13:57, 5 May 2010 (UTC))

Image

Umm... in article it's say "art from platinum" and on the image file it's say "released in HeartGold/SoulSilver. So, it's from Platinum or from HG/SS?

Fixed. It looks to me like no-one got around to changing the caption when the art was updated. Werdnae (talk) 18:51, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Magic Plate?

I own a Diamond and Pearl guide that tells you what to do after you beat the game, and it has a section in there about the Underground. In it, it has a list of items you can find, and in that list, they have a Magic Plate. I don't know what's going on, because nobody's mentioned it before. Perhaps it's because I got an early version of the book? Pawsrent 18:25, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Maybe a beta name for the Mind Plate? How many plates does it list? If it only lists 16 plates than it may be a typo/beta name for one of the existing plates. Werdnae (talk) 03:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Article vandalism/Error in code

It seems that all moveset, type and all other special coding from section Type effectiveness -> With Mind Plate up to Name Origin is either wrong or Media Wiki has some problems parsing it. --PewnyPL 19:46, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Do you mean something where it shows a bunch of red links, because if so, I see it to. It is also in the template size exceeded category. I think it has too many templates being used. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 19:59, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Yup, that's what I meant. And the thing about exceeding number of templates seems possible --PewnyPL 20:05, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Given that all those redlinks are existing templates, it seems that yes, it is due to too many templates. The main question is how to reduce that without losing information. Werdnae (talk) 20:17, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, there are two things I can think of.

One of them is creating a new Pokéathlon Template, that would contain all of the Plates (specially for Arceus) with would require only to use the template with stats from all of them (although I'm not sure if there is a limit to how much data you can hand over to a template)

The second one is to change all link-Templates (those that just generate links to other articles) to normal links to articles

--PewnyPL 20:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Highest level legendary?

Wasn't there a level 100 event Regigigas? Flyingtypefan 00:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

The article says available for capture. You don't need to capture the Regigigas. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 00:48, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

13,933?

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but the formula (as stated here) makes a captured Arceus give (even if the owner's Pokémon is foreign and traded) only 7,071(.428571) at level 100.
a= 2.2
b= 225
L=100.
2.2 × 225 = 495
495 × 100 = 49,500
49,500 ／ 7 = 7,071.428571.
Either this page is wrong, the formula is, or I am. Thanks Samjohn95 16:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

You have b as 225, but it's 255. That's your error. --PhantomJunkie 16:52, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I just did the math with 255 as b, and by my calculations, even with a foreign language Arceus and a Lucky Egg, the total experience earned would be 12,021. That's odd. :/--PhantomJunkie 16:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

I got that the first time too. Sorry, I should of used the history on my calculator. Well, which is wrong then? How do we find out? Samjohn95 12:52, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Just did the math. I am getting 13,933. I did this: (1.7 * 1.5 * 1.5 * 255 * 100)/7

(Wining pokemon foreign traded * Opposing pokemon owned by trainer * Wining pokemon holding lucky egg * base exp * level 100)/7 Mark342 21:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

They have changed the formula. It didn't work before. This File:Exp.png is the previous one. The new one works. Thanks anyway, Samjohn95 21:13, 27 July 2010 (UTC).

Explorers of Sky

I have tried, but I can't get rid of the part on the Sidegame template that includes Explorers of Sky. It wasn't in the Game, so does anyone know how to get rid of this? It's a little misleading. Thanks, Samjohn95 23:03, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Name origin

About the name origin. For me, the most simple theory is not so clearly mentioned in the current name origin section. My theory is: Arceus is just a transcription of "archeos" from latin (meaning archaich). This was confirmed with the newest trailers that pronounce "Arceus" exactly like "archeos" is pronounced. It is the most direct and simple someone can think of, it's more or less the same process used for other Pokémon name such as Luvdisc, since "luv" has the same pronountiation as "love".

izanagi and izanami

If Japan and Gods is created, it seems to be worth describing to trivia. Sawamular101 12:37, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

My remark on the page of the edit became interrupted. Arceus lives in the interior of Spear Pillar. There are a spear and a point of contact of the creation of the Shintoism myth. Sawamular101 07:27, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

But would that not mean that Arceus would have to be two, and not one? I think Dialga and Palkia, both met at Spear Pillar itself, better represent the two, with Giratina representing what happened to Izanami after Kagu-tsuchi burned her. Arceus created the universe... Dialga and Palkia were the ones who created Spear Pillar, and from it, Sinnoh. Arceus is above them. TTEchidna 07:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for correcting my English.

It is said that it is izanami and izanagi that it gave birth to the gods for the first time by the myth of Shintoism. Kunitokotachi and Amenominakanushi doesn't make the gods though Kunitokotachi and Amenominakanushi is the first god. There are izanami(izanagi) and a lacking part because neither Dialga nor Palkia make "Legend pokeomn". It is guessed that the ability of izanagi and izanami that creates the gods is equipped in Arceus.

I am satisfied with the sentence that Mr. TTEchidna corrected. It is not necessary to discuss it any further.

Sawamular101 08:33, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Colour Changing Articles

I know but it seems kind of pointless, when I fist read the article I thought you'd made a mistake calling it a Dragon-type and when I scrolled down I thought you'd lost your marbles when you were indicating pokeathlon stats for its Bug forme specifically. The Pokedex on the games treats it as a Normal-type. We don't have different coloured articles for Kecleon or Castform and they don't need to be holding special items to change forme. I think leaving it as Normal-type is most convenient and less confusing, also we have articles displaying what TMs and HMs it can learn as different types so why bother with all this. Lucky V4.0 14:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Its probably because Arceus has different Performance stats for its forms, its attack has different type for plate held, and because its sprite changes too. Too just list it all would make the page too long if it weren't hidden. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 14:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not suggesting have everything listed for all types. However it would be easier to select which type you want instead of it being random each time. Lucky V4.0 15:22, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

I know. But I'm pretty sure with wikicode you can't do that, unless each type had their own page. At least with the random function you have a 1/17 chance of getting the one you want. If not, then just use the show/hide function. The only difference would be the template colors. Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 15:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Type Change

I've ranted on this subject time and time again but isn't it misleading for someone to come across this article and for it to say that Arceus is a Ghost or Ice type (or whatever type that shows up) when Arceus is Normal-type but changes due to an item. This is no different than making Kecleon's page change types randomly because of Color Change, except for what color Arceus changes to, or listing every Pokémon with the chance of having the ability Mummy since any Pokémon except for Arceus and Shedinja can have the Mummy ability. I believe that Arceus needs to be listed as a Normal type as it naturally is when no items are held, just like how Kecleon is when it hasn't been hit by a foe's move or how a Marill is before being hit by a foe with the ability mummy. Does anyone else agree? --Landfish7 21:37, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

How is it misleading? The intro sentence of this artticle clearly states: "Arceus (Japanese: アルセウス Arceus) is a Normal-type legendary Pokémon. However, its type will change when it is holding one of sixteen items known as plates and can in reality be any type. " —♥ Jello^talk 21:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, exactly it says it's a Normal-type (Because naturally it is) while the templates might say it's a Poison-type when this isn't always the case, yeah so it's not always Normal-type either but may I remind you of Kecleon? Or maybe we can say that its type "varies", but I'd rather leave the templates as if it's a Normal-type. --Landfish7 22:15, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

What's the big deal? The Kecleon example you are using... the type is not permanent after battle, hence why Porygon nor Pokémon with Camouflage is on here as well. Kecleon and Porygon... they were Normal-type prior to battle, and they are still Normal-type after battle. The difference is that Arceus's type is permanent from before battle and after battle. ^ht14 22:18, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but it isn't a natural Water or Grass-type, it is a Water or Grass type only when holding their respective plates, but naturally, without the use of an item, Arceus is a Normal-type, if they came up with an item called Aqua Sponge that turned Water-types into Normal-types we wouldn't make every Water-type Pokémon's page rotate from Normal to Water, of course I know the difference is that would be affecting a lot more pages but I still think it's misleading and somewhat confusing with the Forme rotation. --Landfish7 01:14, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

It changes because it's a form difference if Kecleon changed its sprite then we could do something with it.--MisterE13 04:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Kecleon does not actually change forms; if Color Change counted as changing forms, we could say that all Pokémon do due to Color Change being Skill Swappable. However, Arceus does actually change forms. --SnorlaxMonster 05:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Isn't that why we have this, File:Arceus Formes.gif in order to demonstrate all formes? In fact we could use something like this in the sprite template couldn't we? --Landfish7 19:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Landfish7. This whole page changing is crazy!--Celibi25 19:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't ever really looked at this page before, but I recently needed to check up on something about Arceus. I was completely baffled to see it was labled as an Electric-type. It took me nearly a minute to understand what was going on. The type changes ARE really confusing, especially for people viewing the page for the first time. Moltres93 11:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

I think if we HAVE to keep it like this at least put the informer on the page itself instead of the discussion.--Celibi25 02:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

P.S.We really need to start a continued section for this. Trying to count the correct number of :'s is driving me crazy!--Celibi25 02:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Dream art in info box

Yeah. It's pretty cool it changes with the type. But... every other article uses Sugimori art. And it's better looking. So... what do we do here? --ケンジのガール 05:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought the plan was to have them alternate every so often between normal and Dream... I'd definitely keep the Normal art for now though.--MisterE13 22:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

It uses the game artwork when the page is on the ???-type. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ 22:51, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm new, but I thought we used the artwork from the generation the pokemon is from (DP), so why is there dream world artwork? S and T 05:03, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

We generally use the most recent, rather than the generation they are from (except anniversaries of the generations). See Marill and its current use of FR/LG art. Werdnae (talk) 08:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Umm...

In The Rise of Darkrai, I think I heard Arceus' name (that giant, winged light ball thing at the end of the movie) being pronounced "Ar-see-ay". Is that worth adding to the trivia? (I would appreciate verification, as this was a long time ago that I saw the movie).--Silentzerox 02:22, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

"[Type]-Type Dream World art by Ken Sugimori"

Since when was Ken confirmed to be the one who made the dream world art? Shiramu Kuromu 22:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Type discussion

Anyone who see the link to the right is invited to The Great Arceus Debate. —Ve№moth ♦ 00:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Um?

Every time I go to the page, it's using the Fighting-type template. I've tried about ten times. I'm using Firefox, if that helps find the problem. EnosShayrem 05:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Firefox might be caching the page. Try pressing Ctrl + F5 to clear Firefox's cache and reload the page? Werdnae (talk) 05:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I had thought of that, but didn't do it. But it's working now for some reason. Quitting Fire fox and opening it later seems to have worked. EnosShayrem 20:36, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

I find this type confusion that you guys are creating a great annoyance, and plain out stupid. Let's just say that someone was researching Arceus, and used Bulbapedia. The whole template is colored, yellow with the type and image indicating that it's an electric type. It just doesn't make any sense why you don't just state that he is capable of type change, while leaving the template in his default form? --Christopher Costello 19:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Because if you took the time to read the first few lines of the article you can see it clearly states that it can change forms. Bulbapedia is about the article information stated the templates are for neatness and visual aid. so it's not "Plain out stupid" for it shows all of Arceus's forms. It doesn't always stay yellow it changes color everytime you visit the page. --Pokemaster97 19:31, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Although I don't agree it is stupid, I will ask why can't it stay in it's normal template? Why does is have to constantly change? Is it to be showy or fun or is it just to show that it is capable of being whatever type it displays? Toadstool 17:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

??? arceus transfered?

What happens if a ??? type arceus is hacked into the game then someone tries to transfer it to black/white? Savelijah 17:55, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Simple; When transferring a Pokémon to Black and White, all held items are returned to the bag of the Gen. IV game. You can only transfer a Normal-type Arceus that way. '~Jhuyu26', user of Generation V glitch Pokémon -----! 01:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Contradiction?

The trivia section says this: "Arceus's signature move, Judgment, is the only move that Arceus is guaranteed STAB for, as it is always the same type as Arceus itself. However, on the battle screen, Judgment is always displayed as a Normal-type attack." With the rotating type change, Judgement also changes in the moveset. I don't mind the templates changing on the page - I think it's kind of cool - but can Judgement be changed to always be Normal? Ikarishipper900 02:33, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Mistake

In the Pokémon infobox it says that artwork it's from Black and White, but it's from Platinum. An admin should correct this mistake. Caciulacdlac 09:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Connection with the bible?

Hey guys, I was just looking at a picture of Arceus and it occured to me how similar Arceus is to the 'wheel' mentioned in the bible (Ezekiel).

The wheel supposedly came from the heavens or space;

Ezekial 1:5 - "and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures" (Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Arceus?) Ezekial 1:7 - "Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze" (Could refer to Dialga and Arceus, Dialga being steel (burnished bronze)) Ezekial 1:16-21 - "This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel", "the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around" (Arceus' wheel, at least to me, seems metallic, and the intersection could suggest Arcues inside the wheel. And, there are 4 jewels 'eyes' on the wheel.)

The creatures also have 'wings', which would be similar except for the case of Arceus

Anyone reckon this part of the bible was considered in Arceus' creation?

PHoxide 10:49, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

"Arms"

I eas just watching the Movie and I think the "arms" Arceus is supposed to have are not made of matter, but energy. This could explain why the dex sayes it has arms but you don't see them. Truthseeker4449 01:16, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I have to concur with Truthseeker4449 that the "arms" might be not of matter but of energy. Another possibility is that the "1000 arms" is just a metaphor to signify how mythical Arceus is. Arceustheomnipotent 05:04, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Minor edits

I made minor edits adding to the tcgHmtkiwi99 11:02, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, but this is better suited to your edit summary than placing it on the talk page. You can create an edit summary by typing it in the the box below the editing box, labeled "Summary:". Edit summaries as visible in the page history and on Special:RecentChanges. --SnorlaxMonster 11:09, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

My edit got murderedHmtkiwi99 20:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

House

Just watching new House episode, the Perils of Paranoia, and the titular doctor just made a direct reference to Arceus:

House: "...and that's why Arceus gave us three states of matter and over 300 poisons that could cause these symptoms."
Taub: "Arceus?"
House: "Look it up"

Trivia-worthy? DrStubbsberg 22:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

It's been noted here already so the trivia isn't needed. --Pokemaster97 22:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

OK, hadn't noticed that page before DrStubbsberg 22:34, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

'Arceus gave us three states of matter' - and this may be also explanation of Creation Trios types: Dialga Steel - Solid, Palkia Water - Liquid, Giratina Ghost - Gas. Count Kuwaga 13:02, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

crea(tion) anagram = arce

About the name 'Arceus' would 'Arce' be an anagram of crea(tion)? And would 'us' give it the meaning 'create(d) us'? It also looks like a centaur who has lost its (thousend) arms. Nickvang 20:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't think taking just parts of words for an anagram counts, and anagrams in general are still stretching it a little bit. --Darth Zekrom 20:27, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Allegedly created the universe

I will not argue that Arcues created Shinno but it's only stated that he MAY have created ALL pokemon and the Universe. But let's look at something. Mew has been declared the Original pokemon since Gen 1 without any contradictions. Arcues is a Shinno legendary and so it's only natural that the locals believe it to be the creator. But Mew has officially been stated in again many sources to have EVERY pokemon DNA. IT can transform and use ANY technique. So Arcues could NOT have created Mew as Mew was the 1st pokemon. Plus there are other legendaries from other regions that were said to have created the regions they inhabit. And lastly how can Arcues be a God if humans can capture him? I think we need to go onto Mew and Arcues' pages and make sure that this is clear. This is not opinion but facts backed by sources. Gen 1,2,4 games and The Original Official Pokemon handbook under Mew's page and several subsequent handbooks featuring Mew. Genemaxwell4 09:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Mew is almost always stated to be "believed by scientists" to be the ancestor of all Pokémon... it never says for a fact that it is. Scientists (in real life) have been wrong before on many things... perhaps Mew being the ancestor of all Pokémon will some day just be an outdated theory.

As for Arceus as the "creator of the Universe"... it's Pokédex entries all either say "it has been said" or specifcally say that it's Sinnoh myth... they never say for certain that he is some sort of creator god. I personally think the whole thing is a stupid concept... why base an encyclopedia entry of an actual animal on some myth rather than true facts? (That's like me looking up "falcon" in an encyclopedia and finding all sorts of references to it being some sort of sun god, simply because it was one in ancient Egyptian belief). But that's how it is... interpret it however you want. Maybe this whole conflict was intentional so that fans could interpret it differently (like how other aspects of Pokémon are... such as the definition of "Pokémon master"). Dannyjenn 04:32, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Except unlike falcons, Arceus is a fictional creature, and also unlike falcons, there is physical proof of Arceus's god-like status in the games, manga, and anime. We do talk about Arceus as it is, its physiology, abilities, etc. And like it or not, one of its abilities is controlling the world. I'm not sure what you're looking for. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 04:53, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Mew created Arceus. Arceus created everything else. That's what I've always believed. Volcronaperson 21:43, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

base stat similarities

with everything I've noticed about the base stats of Pokémon on the Pokédex is that there are two Pokémon that have a completely even base stat spread (base HP=base Atk=Base Def=base SpA=base SpD=base Speed) Arceus has a 120-120-120-120-120-120 base spread effectively making it the strongest base Pokémon in the games to date, but there is one more Pokémon that shares the even base spread with Arceus. It is the weakest base Pokémon in the games to date, Sunkern, who's base spread is 30-30-30-30-30-30 (All stat spreads are in the HP-Atk-Def-SpA-SpD-Speed). If there are any other Pokémon that share this trait, please let me know.

-By typhonandfafnir. Sam Fisher: "because most people don't have others shooting AK-47's at them, I had to find my own way to stay in shape." 01:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I said this on Sunkern's talk page, but this trait is also shared by Celebi, Mew, Manaphy, and Phione, and most likely other Pokémon I'm forgetting. Not really notable. It's Funktastic~! 01:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

???-type sprite

"It is possible this sprite was programmed in to prevent game crashes caused by tampering with Arceus's type."

Not saying that this should be removed, because yeah, that is a possibility. But it's unlikely. There doesn't need to be a special sprite to do that... they could have just used the Normal-type sprite in the case that it ends up as a ???-type. Or used some other placeholder... they could have even left it blank. And also, I doubt that Nintendo cares about preventing game crashes due to stuff that is impossible to do without messing with stuff that shouldn't be messed with. I mean, there's probably tons of other ways that someone could crash the game when that person starts altering variables and stuff and I'm sure that Nintendo didn't waste their time trying to prevent those game crashes. Anyway, I have no idea why they made a special sprite for the ???-type. Maybe it was just because the graphics people got bored and decided to have some fun making something pointless (like the truck in Generation I). Dannyjenn 20:48, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Lamb instead of horse?

Does anyone else think Arceus may be based on the phrase 'the lamb of God?' Flintlock (talk) 04:27, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

--Chris Broach (talk) 01:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Event moves.

Why aren't Spacial Rend, Roar of Time, and Shadow Force listed? I noticed a lot of pages leaving out event moves...--Chris Broach (talk) 01:04, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind. Found out that it doesn't list Generation 4 moves unless you click on something.--Chris Broach (talk) 01:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Similarities to a Centaur?

Well, it came to my mind as I read the article that Arceus might have some similarities with a Qilin, I do not find any with the Centaur as it it mentioned. Sure it's a hooved creature, but so is a regular horse. It doesn't have any of the other qualities of a centaur. I find Arceus more similar to a White Stag. CounterShift (talk) 23:45, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I think it looks like a llama but this is all debatable. |) u |( e ® 16:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

The reason why I find no connection with a centaur is that a Centaur is basically have horse, half human. The horse seems to be present, but the human part isn't. So why Centaur and not just Horse? CounterShift (talk) 02:38, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Conquest Location

Okay, in the Ransei Gallery it can be entered AND on the Side Game Data there is his Strength, Ability etc., but where is his Conquest location? Anybody know?TurtleLover1999 (talk) 16:18, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Natural Gift-STAB

As the plates seem to be mentioned in the attacks section, shouldn't it be mentioned that Arceus can have a STAB on Natural Gift when holding a Chilian Berry? --mecanno-man^Discussion 15:43, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

No, we don't have a STAB note for attacks that can have different types.--電禅Den Zen 15:48, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Urcuchillay

Don't know if this is stated somewhere or not, but I stumbled upon this Incan deity, Urcuchillay, a multi-colored (Arceus' Multitype Ability, multiple colors) llama who watches over animals --8bitlives (talk) 11:29, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Implications of "AR-see-uss" pronunciation

"The "AR-key-us" pronunciation was used due to concerns over the implications behind the first syllable of "AR-see-uss" in the UK and other British English-speaking territories."

What does this even mean? I don't speak British English, so I don't know what the "implications" are. Perhaps it should be elaborated on in the article. Poliwhirl (talk) 02:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

No, it looks like speculation so it should probably be removed, not elaborated on. The "implications" to which it refers is the fact that "AR-see-uss" sounds like it starts with the swearword "arse" (the equivalent of "ass" in America). Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 03:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Wow, I can't believe I never realized that before. Anyway, I agree with the decision to remove it. Thanks for your help. Poliwhirl (talk) 07:11, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

The user who added it explained in her edit summary that Tom Wayland told her about it.--ForceFire 07:31, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

We should give the source in the article text, then, not just in a random edit summary that people have to trawl through the page history to find. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 04:55, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Sprites

Why aren't the sprites for all of his different formes shown in the sprites section? I want to see his shiny meadow form ._. Nutter Butter (talk) 19:33, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Because that's too many images. Once X and Y are released it would be more than 200 front sprites. It'd look awful, and probably cause loading issues as well - this page is already very large and there's been problems with it loading in the past. If you want to see the shiny meadow form, click the "Arceus images on Bulbagarden Archives" link below the sprite box. That'll take you to a category containing all the Arceus images on the Archives, including ones that we can't fit onto the pages. The sprite you want is on the first page of that category, Here. Werdnae (talk) 21:46, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Question

Why do we not list Arceus on all of the type pages? We do that for every other Pokemon whose forme changes type. Ghost Type Master (talk) 1:03, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Arceus holding all plates

By the type charts, if Arceus held all the plates at once-even the pixie plate- he would get 2x damage from Rock. That would explain why a meteor was able to hurt in M12. Without the plates compromising the Jewel of Life and no Pixie plate, he gets 2x damage from electric attacks, 1x from steel, and 2x from fire. Hence, why the villain in M12 used electric attacks and molten steel to hold Arceus down. This should be trivia somewhere-here or on the Arceus M12 page.- unsigned comment from ZoroFan (talk • contribs)

No, that is too speculative: The writers aren't that good with the type matchups and there clearly wasn't the Pixie Plate in the movie.--電禅Den Zen 18:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Even without the Pixie Plate, the results still stand. I ran the numbers.Besides, by M12, the writers don't show a problem with type match-ups, especially since it's a movie. How about just stating that if Arceus hold all of the plates, he's 2x from Rock?

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	Defending type																		Arceus Effect
	Normal	Fighting	Flying	Poison	Ground	Rock	Bug	Ghost	Steel	Fire	Water	Grass	Electric	Psychic	Ice	Dragon	Dark	Fairy
Normal	1	1	1	1	1	0.5	1	0	0.5	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	0
Fighting	2	1	0.5	0.5	1	2	0.5	0	2	1	1	1	1	0.5	2	1	2	0.5	0
Flying	1	2	1	1	1	0.5	2	1	0.5	1	1	2	0.5	1	1	1	1	1	1
Poison	1	1	1	0.5	0.5	0.5	1	0.5	0	1	1	2	1	1	1	1	1	2	0
Ground	1	1	0	2	1	2	0.5	1	2	2	1	0.5	2	1	1	1	1	1	0
Rock	1	0.5	2	1	0.5	1	2	1	0.5	2	1	1	1	1	2	1	1	1	2
Bug	1	0.5	0.5	0.5	1	1	1	0.5	0.5	0.5	1	2	1	2	1	1	2	0.5	0.0625
Ghost	0	1	1	1	1	1	1	2	1	1	1	1	1	2	1	1	0.5	1	0
Steel	1	1	1	1	1	2	1	1	0.5	0.5	0.5	1	0.5	1	2	1	1	2	0.5
Fire	1	1	1	1	1	0.5	2	1	2	0.5	0.5	2	1	1	2	0.5	1	1	1
Water	1	1	1	1	2	2	1	1	1	2	0.5	0.5	1	1	1	0.5	1	1	1
Grass	1	1	0.5	0.5	2	2	0.5	1	0.5	0.5	2	0.5	1	1	1	0.5	1	1	0.0625
Electric	1	1	2	1	0	1	1	1	1	1	2	0.5	0.5	1	1	0.5	1	1	0
Psychic	1	2	1	2	1	1	1	1	0.5	1	1	1	1	0.5	1	1	0	1	0
Ice	1	1	2	1	2	1	1	1	0.5	0.5	0.5	2	1	1	0.5	2	1	1	1
Dragon	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	0.5	1	1	1	1	1	1	2	1	0	0
Dark	1	0.5	1	1	1	1	1	2	1	1	1	1	1	2	1	1	0.5	0.5	0.5
Fairy	1	2	1	0.5	1	1	1	1	0.5	0.5	1	1	1	1	1	2	2	1	1