Talk:Jynx (Pokémon)

Gender

In Pokemon Silver Edition, I caught several male Jynx. So, umm, is this just going by Red/Blue/Yellow standards? -- Kektklik 12:51, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

That sounds an awful lot like a glitch or a hack -- did you buy your game second-hand, or ever use a gameshark? Or maybe you game was a bootleg? Manga-in-a-bottle 13:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I know I didn't find any males in Gold. (And I spent a while looking since I didn't know they were only female back then.) --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 15:12, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I did buy it used, but I started a new game over the one that was already present. Kektklik 03:37, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Jynx's Feet

This point probably isn't important but in EP090 (Stage Fight) Jynx is shown to have hairy feet - you can see them near the end of the episode when all of the Pokémon are dancing, kicking their legs/feet. Can this be confirmed? --☆Woodland:M ☆ 21:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It does have feet, big ones too, but not hairy--KukiTalk 21:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter that they're not hairy, but that's the only time Jynx has been shown to have feet when it's generally accepted that Jynx doesn't have any. It's not really a big point but it should probably be added to its physiology unless it's a mistake --☆Woodland:M ☆ 22:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Redesign Date

The article says that Nintendo changed Jynx's design for Ruby/Sapphire. But... um... is it just me or did Gold/Silver already have the redesigned Jynx? Her lips are smaller, her face and hands are purple, and her arms are white, just like the redesigned version. - unsigned comment from Razzia (talk • contribs)

Mean With Envy

From the controversy section: "This change was not reflected in the anime until much later, when Jynx appeared in Mean With Envy, an episode which could not be cut from airing due to its importance to the plot of the Advanced Generation series. Though appearing as black in the original Japanese, Jynx was recolored in the dub, causing a delay in the airing of the episode. Jynx has appeared since using its new design with no problems."

I don't watch the Japanese episodes, but wasn't she was purple in the Japanese version of that episode too? I remember people being very annoyed that the episodes aired late BECAUSE Jynx had already been fixed in them, even in the original airing, and Serebii also has pictures of the Japanese version of the episode and she's purple in them too. - unsigned comment from Razzia (talk • contribs)

This is correct, here are pics from the Japanese airing, Jynx is clearly purple. Someone please change this. --HoennMaster 00:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?

In Pokemon Mystery Dungeon part, why is there odd symbols? Does Jynx really say that or is that vandalism? --PKFL 531 22:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Look in the trivia section of the article. Turtwig A Contributions Talk 22:07, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Thunderpunch

In its generation II learnset it says it can be taught thunderpunch.

mine couldn't learn it.

Should this be deleted?

--WeedleMaster 02:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)User: WeedleMaster

Orgin

Um....I know this will probably be taken as my opinion only by the more extremist of the community, but i'll say it anyways.

Wouldn't some of Jynx be based on "the fat lady?" You know the one with a horned hat, spear, sheild and a golden chest plate you see in Opera? I'm pretty sure its singing has been mentioned somewhere, and it appears to be animated singing in its Emerald sprite. Its FR/LG Sprite seems to take a singing stance.

that picture ain't pretty but it should convey the point. Yami 22:53, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe the word you're looking for is "Valkyrie". --Psy_ライダー☮ 22:55, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the opera character is a Valkyrie if I read right. I changed the picture to something a little more pleasant. Its just I've kind of always put the two together, even as a kid. I'm surprised there was no mention of such a thing in Jynx origin. Many focus on the it being from a Japanese trend, or go to the racist thing and might over look the other things it could originate from. Yami 23:04, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Should I add the info on it possibly being based in some part on the "fat lady" aka Valkyrie Brünhilde? Or would that seem to opinionated/need some kind of pain in the butt citation? From experience I know a article could be full of uncited and/or opinionated things, but when I come around I get confronted and told off. I think this would be a welcomed addition, and might level out some of the negative origin. Yami 23:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

The problem I can see with it is simply this: would it be reasonable to believe that Jynx is based off of them? I'm not familiar with Japan, so the main question is whether they're well-known over there; enough so to be the origin for a Pokémon. The Dark Fiddler - You enter a poorly lit room... 23:53, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't see why they wouldn't know of the Fat lady or the reference pretending to her in Opera and in cartoons. You have to remember that before the US had any influence in japan it was Europe mostly. I think the school girl uniforms are based on British sailor uniforms if I remember right. Then you have to take into account the Japanese love for Disney. DBZ which was made in the late 80's early 90's had three characters based on the Cinderella song "Bibidi Babadi Boo." Also I think Bugs Bunny has crossed over there in his 50+ years along with the other Looney Tunes. If Disney never made a reference to the Fat lady then Looney Tunes would defiantly be the next best bet. Opera started in Italy if I am correct, and we can all think of two Italians that came from Japan and made Nintendo lots of money. If Nintendo could bank on Italian Plumbers as a mascot for a multi-billion dollar company, I'm sure they have been influenced by western culture. Yami 00:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

So....would there be any objections if i add this? I just don't want to add the info then have to fight for it tooth and nail with someone wanting citations or anything. I've had plenty of experience with that, mostly on wikipedia but it is still a pain.

I'm still thinking of how to word it so the addition might not be done right away. I'm not sure if Valkyrie would be too vague or generic, or if the addition should be blunt and say Jynx appearance and behavior (look at the game sprite(s) in later gens) may be based of the stereotypical Fat lady that sings. Yami 16:11, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Regular Wikipedia claims that Jynx's design was based on a blackface design; more specifically, it looks like a Golliwog, a rather racist doll depicting a black person. I understand the Valkyrie business, but since the U.S. version banned an episode because Jynx was black instead of purple, I think it's worthy of being mentioned in the article. Golliwog PictureGiamberardino 07:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a viable source. They say what ever a random person decides to put in. --ケンジのガール 08:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Bulbapedia says it too: EP250 Just saying. If you wanna talk about its costume, that's sort of the elephant in the room... Giamberardino 17:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Mr. Mime?

Wouldn't Jynx's male counterpart be Mr. Mime? - unsigned comment from Makupe (talk • contribs)

technically no as, despite what its name may suggest, mr. mime can be both male and female and jynx has no anatomical or evolutionary relation to mr. mime. --- Eevee Obsessed 008

Native Region

Jynx is not available in the Kanto region except through the trade in Cerulean City, should it be noted that perhaps Jynx may not be native to Kanto? --- Convoy

In HGSS, Jynx can be caught in Seafoam Islands. While it may have been imported there, or have migrated there, it would be speculation to say that it isn't from Kanto. This goes against Bulbapedia policy. `—darklordtrom 09:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

It can be also captured in Seafoam Islands in the Japanese Blue version. Krisi 17:04, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Bulbapedia native works on the regional Pokédex for nativity. --SnorlaxMonster 07:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Possible name trivia

Is it worth noting that, if "y" is not counted, Jynx has no vowels in its name (and is the only Pokémon for which this is true)? --Jared 20:59, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

But that's just the thing.. "Y" is sometimes a vowel. There are even words in English that have "w" being the vowel. Kektklik 03:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Racial stereotype?

Personally I disagree with Carole Wethorfords opinion. Jynx is tinted purple, not brown. The original desighn was jet black, not brown. Is black magic racist? Are shadows racist? Are black cats racist? If so than she would have alot of problems with fiction. Second, Jynx has blonde hair. The only blondes I know are caucasions. Wethorforde must have a lot of problems with evil.- unsigned comment from SeanWheeler (talk • contribs)

That may all be, but doesn't change the fact there was controversy about that Pokémon. This is, quite frankly, not the page to discuss whether the controversy was justified, the most you could discuss whether it belongs into the article.--Afrael 18:02, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Longest cry?

Does Jynx have the longest cry of any Pokémon, and if not, which Pokémon does? - unsigned comment from Absolution (talk • contribs)

♀ . has the longest cry of any Pokémon, regular or glitched. Only in Pokémon Yellow though. As for real Pokémon, I have no clue. --Enervation 23:53, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I tried looking it up in my Pokédex in my Pokemon White Version game and found that of all the Pokemon I have seen in it, Jynx has the longest cry with over 2:13 seconds. Zekrom, Samurott, and Klinklang come pretty close, though. Mr. Guye 18:34, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Controversy and Origin sections

I think these sections need a major overhaul. They have a very biased tone. Whoever wrote them seems determined to leave the reader with the idea that Jynx is a racist steryotype and that other ideas are less valid. I'd rewrite it myself but I thought i should give some warning before such a major edit.Bug Catcher Wade 06:58, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

"As its Pokédex entries state that it speaks a language that sounds like human, the player, as a Pokémon, cannot understand anything of what it says in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon..." I think it's just that what Jynx says does not make sense to anyone, humans or Pokémon. Period. I'm wondering whether anyone else agrees/disagrees. --Enervation 20:02, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I would assume that other Jynx can understand each other. --SnorlaxMonster 12:43, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Jynx Origin stuff. also Dress is based on theater curtains?

I was checking in on this fat lady origin; its kind of cool and I never gave it much thought.

Anyways, should some mention be made about how Jynx is (ironically?) part ice, and that the character she may be based on (to some degree) dies by riding a horse into fire?

I mean, it kinda makes sense considering Ice types are week against fire, and not to sound racist or insensitive...but obviously you'd have blackened skin if you went into a fire.

Also, is it too opinionated to say that her red dress is like Curtains like at the Opera or any stage theater? Theater curtains are almost always depicted as Red.

I've seen blue, gold, silver and white used as the color of the Opera singer's costume in depictions of the fat lady singing, or the opera she hails from. So i don't think the choice for Jynx having a red dress was completely based on one depiction if any. (playing devils advocate, am not ripping on the fat lady singing thing) but the point is that her dress carries a likeness to curtains. Yamitora1 (talk) 08:07, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Jynx's hair?

In Pokemon Stadium and Pokemon Puzzle League when Jynx faint's her hair is the only thing that remains.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApPJACXCdoM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=bkCBkMKKQDc#t=214s

I'm not sure if this was mentioned in the bioloical section of this wiki page. Also maybe it ties into her origin somehow? Flintlock (talk) 14:17, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Evolution???

Well I was looking into my apparent Larvitar evolution (see Larvitar's talk page) and I found: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZerG9v781Q So um... Nutter Butter (talk) 00:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

That image has been circling the internet around for months. Please, if it's not around on sites, then there is a very, very, very high chance that it's fake. Ataro (talk) 00:52, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Glitch in the System?

I know the infobox picture is supposed to change every year twice, on Feb 27 and Sep 30, but it is September 1st today and the infobox is showing Jynx's Red and Blue art. Is anyone else seeing this or is this supposed to happen? --Weavile Warrior (talk) 21:53, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Scyther's page is doing it too, so I think this is system-wide. --The Great Butler (talk) 22:42, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Recolored sprite in VC Yellow

As seen here. Not sure how exactly one would implement this into the current sprite section, given its current layout. Miles (talk) 18:51, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

It'll be put in an other sprites section once we have it. glik^glak 19:03, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Controversy and Origin sections, revisited

There are several theories that Jynx was inspired by something other then a racist steryotype:

1) Jynx may be inspired by ganguro, a Japanese fashion where women tan heavily, bleach their hair, and apply large amounts of makeup, instead of a black stereotype. This theory is mainly based on Jynx's long, straight, blonde hair, a common attribute of ganguro fashion.

2) Jynx is based on the Nordic goddess Hel, who was often depicted has having a face half white-half black. This theory is supported by the fact that Urd and her mother Hel (renamed Hild which is the name of another Norse goddess) are both depicted as being dark skinned in the manga series Ah My Goddess! Also Hel ruled Niflheim, primarily land of primordial ice and cold and who did not die a heroic or notable death (it was the closes thing the Norse had to a 'bad' place). They argue that Jynx's hair looks more like royalty than an African stereotype. They also say that being based on a Viking goddess who ruled a land of primordial ice and cold would explain why they are Ice type. This is further expressed by Jynx sharing traits with the iconic opera singing "Fat Lady," who is pop-culturally portrayed dressed as the valkyrie Brünnhilde.

3) It has also been stated is that Jynx is based on Yama-uba, the mountain Crone ([Game Theory: Pokemon Racism, Jynx Justified])based on the fact that Yama-uba is generally depicted with black skin in Noh Drama with a red kimona and long white hair. She is also often depicted in Noh theater by a actor in ganguro-like make up.

If anything the Jynx based on goddess Hel idea seems to have the most merit especially as in another manga Hel (Hild) was given dark skin.--BruceGrubb (talk) 12:46, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Answered on Pokémon controversy#Where Jynx really came from. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 14:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Yellow VC sprite is technically impossible?

I would like to disagree with the trivia item that states that the recolored sprite for Jynx in Pokémon Yellow is technically impossible for Game Boy Color. I hope someone with better knowledge of how GBC games work will react to this and correct me if I'm wrong.

Technically, the limitation of four colors, which, in Jynx's case are for the most part black, red, yellow and white, doesn't apply to the entire sprite, but instead applies to every single square of 8x8 pixels that, when put together, form the sprite. If both front and back sprites are opened in a bitmap editor such as Graphics Gale, with a 8x8 grid, it is possible to see that some of the squares forming Jynx's sprites use a different palette where black is replaced with purple, but there is not a single square in which both black and purple appear. It becomes more obvious when examining outlines around Jynx's hands, where outlines of its hair turn from red and black to red and purple, or the mere fact that Jynx's eyes, the inside of its mouth and the top part of its breasts are recolored purple when they didn't need to be.

(the sprite present on the wiki does have a black pixel on a recolored square, but I just checked with Pokémon Yellow VC, that pixel should be purple, the sprite on the wiki must have been manually recolored instead of ripped from the game)

There are visible instances of palettes being applied to single 8x8 squares in Generation II games. For instance, flower pots in front of the Goldenrod flower shop in Crystal are comprised of two bottom squares colored with two shades of green and two top squares colored with two shades of red. Incidentally, Pokémon sprites in both Gen I and Gen II games aren't technically sprites, but are displayed as background images, so this technique can reasonably be used for Pokémon sprites in Yellow.

Can someone more versed in GBC technology confirm or disprove this?

SaniOKh (talk) 15:04, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

This is correct. The sprites are indeed made up of tiles which can have their own palettes. The trivia entry should either be removed, or edited to explain that an exception was added to give Jynx its own paletted tilemap. Pac (talk) 06:07, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Feet

So I was just playing Pokémon Stadium and was kind of taken aback when an NPC trainer's Jynx used Mega Kick. It seems Jynx has a unique animation in this game for "kicking moves" that shows an oversized black/purple foot that looks just like the feet seen in EP090. Not sure if this is a widely known thing or not, just found it kind of interesting. Personally figured it would be worth a mention and a photo in either the biology or trivia section. Nepse (talk) 21:13, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Can you take a screenshot of this animation? Suic (talk) 13:52, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Origin Redux

There's six theories but not a single one related to its most commonly cited origin. Blackface caricatures were fairly common in Japanese media at the time and while there's no way to definitively prove its origin, ignoring it completely feels a little, I don't know, biased? There should at least be a mention of it in the origin. --^{Emp, out} 00:54, 28 February 2022 (UTC)