Talk:Meltan (Pokémon)

Generational status

According to Joe Merrick, Meltan is treated internally as if it were part of Generation VII, but that does not necessarily mean that it is part of Generation VII. Am I correct in saying that its generational status is unconfirmed at this time? bwburke94 (talk) 14:31, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Bulbapedia doesn't consider "treated internally" to mean much of anything, judging by the way folks handled the question of which Gen VII Pokémon are Legendary. Unless Meltan itself becomes available in a game that's definitely Gen VII or definitely Gen VIII, we should hold off on classifying it one way or the other. — Randomwaffle23 (talk) 15:18, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

That being the case, considering sources have cited that it is introduced in Let's Go and conventions state that Let's Go is part of Gen VII, it would probably be similar in case to that of the USUM exclusive Legends/UBs.

On the other hand, what if it stands as a cameo appearance in Let's Go (ala Munchlax, Bonsly, and Lucario in Rescue Team)? Would conventions point it to a Gen VIII label instead?

— Lanthanum (talk) 15:52, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

I honestly think Meltan counts as a Gen 7 Pokémon. Since it was introduced in a Gen 7 Game and not as of yet the unknown Gen 8 game , plus they have not officially stated it for the moment. Heck the Mythical Pokémon section on here conspired it a Gen 7 Pokémon. For now I think it should stay that under Generation 7 section for the time until the game are fully released and explains it properly.--Jacob Kogan (talk) 17:51, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Are we waiting until its National Dex number is confirmed before calling it a Gen 7 Pokemon? We have all the other proof: available in a main series game considered Gen 7 by Bulbapedia; available in a main series game released between Sun/Moon and 2019. — Crunchdog29 (talk) 23:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

We're waiting on what the official sources say. Its dex number isn't going to be of any help, since the USUM Ultra Beasts comes after the first SM mons.--ForceFire 04:03, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

That's assuming that Meltan is placed between the Gen 7 and Gen 8 Pokémon. If they place him among other G8 Pokémon, surely that would mean that he's officially considered part of that Gen. - Golden Trainer (talk) 21:26, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Regardless of its generational status, although it's more than likely that they're Gen VII Pokémon due to making their mainline debut in LGPE, datamining of Go's traffic network by the same guy who initially discovered Meltan has found their dex numbers to be 808 and 809. Azureprism (talk) 07:03, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Trivia piece

Can someone add the following as trivia:

• Meltan is tied with Alolan Diglett and Klefki as the shortest Steel-type Pokémon.

Please and thank you. Frozen Fennec 18:11, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Additional Info

The Let's Go site [1] has a bunch of new info. Someone with write access please add. Mtmerrick (talk) 18:42, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

More additional info

Add "It is currently unknown if it evolves into or from another Pokémon.", just below what the top text says. Wrrasba (talk) 21:55, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Suggestion for some more additional info

In side games

Meltan first appeared as a disguised Ditto in Pokémon GO immediately after the conclusion of the Chikorita Community Day on September 22nd 2018 in the Asia-Pacific region when it was widely in the wild available for 30 minutes. The same phenomenon repeated itself at the conclusion of the other 2 regions' respective community days later on that day. After his initial appearance in the Asia-Pacific region, Meltan-disguised Ditto remained available in the wild as a rare spawn worldwide. On September 25th 2018, official announcement revealing the name of this new Pokémon was published in-game and on the official Pokémon GO website.

In other media

On September 25th 2018, publications on the official Twitter pages of The Pokémon Company, Pokémon GO and Nintendo of America revealed facts about Meltan, including its name, type, height and weight. Later on that day the Official Pokémon YouTube channel also released a video were Professor Willow contacts his mentor Professor Oak to discuss about the new species discovered.

Thanks. JaxomNC (talk) 22:03, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Additional info

Can someone add that Meltan is tied with Land Forme Shaymin as the shortest Mythical Pokémon in the trivia? Please? Pika fanatic (talk) 23:11, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

I concur. This hasn't been added in yet. GrammarFreak01 (talk) 02:49, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Considering Meltan uses electricity, I think his tail with the two ends is supposed to be an electric plug. Eevee-Girl (talk) 06:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I think it's more like a cut electrical wire, since the ends are too thin to be plugs. I believe the concept comes from an electromagnet, with the cord attaching to the metal nut to create a magnetic field within the "head" in which its eye is floating. Yoriven (talk) 07:35, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

That might make more sense! Although Japanese plug ends are very thin and flat. Eevee-Girl (talk) 09:03, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Name Origin

What exactly is Meltan's name origin? I assume that the "Melt" part comes from its liquid body but what about the rest? It might need adding. Ice Cream 14:45, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

It's already on the page. Kai * the Arc Toraph 16:15, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh it was? Ah, must have missed it. Ice Cream 19:29, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Nuts and Bolts

Can someone change the "hexagonal bolt" in the Biology paragraph to say "hexagonal nut"? A bolt is what would go into the nut. Someone got it right in the Origin section but not in Biology. Yoriven (talk) 13:34, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Meltan's New Form

It seems like Meltan is going to have a new form!

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVbH3pNuipc

RieHatori (talk) 03:12, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I won't speculate but seeing a bunch of them merge into one kind of reminds me of Zygarde's forms. Now I want to know what all happens when they transform, should be interesting. Frozen Fennec 03:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

According to Serebii's Joe Merrick, it's most likely an evolution- https://twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/1050279215936008194 Yoriven (talk) 16:14, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Someone's at work on Melmetal's page, I presume? Monchi132390 (talk) 14:17, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

National Dex number.

Shouldn't we add the National Dex number for Meltan and Melmetal? According to network traffic from Pokémon Go, the National Dex numbers for them are #808 and #809, respectively. Weedle Mchairybug (talk) 10:25, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

It's official, Meltan and Melmetal are 808 and 809 respectively. Source: https://reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/9x3ong/melmetal_in_pokedex_by_chrales — Rmkane (talk) 22:04, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

People are reporting that Meltan and Melmetal are 152 and 153 respectively in LGPE Kanto Pokedex, shouldn't it be added? Asmod96 (talk) 10:02, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Probably, but there doesn't currently appear to be a Kanto Dex variable separate from the National Dex variable. Someone will need to edit the template first. - Reboot (talk) 18:10, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Ability?

How is it that Meltan and Melmetal have abilities in their tamplates? As far as I'm aware those two are only in the data of two games both of which lack abilities. Erezushi (talk) 09:05, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Connection to the Blob?

Meltan, in a way, is similar to the Blob: mostly liquid bodies and feeds by dissolving and assimilating certain matter (flesh of living beings for the Blob, and metal for Meltan) into itself.

Anyone else think that Meltan might be connected to the Blob? PKMN Trainer Ryan (talk) 19:06, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Meltan is officially NOT generation 7

According to The Pokémon Company's own Pokémon of the year election and the promotional video (https://youtu.be/zq_fc3-HH5M) Meltan is not part of the 7th generation of Pokémon.

On the video it's clearly listed amongst other Gen 8 Pokémon, but what's more interesting is that in the poll they specifically used "Galar, etc." possibly referencing that Meltan and Melmetal aren't part of neither Gen 7 nor Gen 8.

So we still don't have conclusive evidence to say they are Gen 8 but we know have official confirmation that they are not part of Gen 7.Josephvb10 (talk) 22:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

It lists by region, not gen so there's one thing. However it's still correct to say that there were introduced in Let's Go Pikachu/Eevee which were released during Gen 7. However LGPE do break the all the conventional rules that are used to determine what "Gen" a main series game is in, it doesn't fit neatly into either Gen 7 or Gen 8. A lot of the confusion is caused by GF's insistence that LGPE is a "main series game". I think it's most correct to say that Meltan/Melmetal were introduced between generations 7 & 8. We should wait to see what if the Home dex puts them with Gen 7 or 8.

At the risk of creating another Phione situation, I think the intro should simply say "introduced in LGPE" and the trivia section should discuss what "gen" it's in. JMVB - very sporadic editor since 2008 (talk) 10:22, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! are core series games that were released during Generation VII, making them Generation VII games. Meltan and Melmetal debuted in the core series in a Generation VII game, so Meltan and Melmetal were introduced in Generation VII, which for brevity is often referred to as being a "Generation VII Pokémon" by fans.

In official sources, instead of describing Pokémon by generation, they talk about being "First discovered in" a particular region. In Pokémon GO's Pokédex, Meltan and Melmetal are listed as being first discovered in an unknown region (since they weren't first discovered in either Alola or Galar). --SnorlaxMonster 10:45, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

To preemptively address the obvious, Deoxys is grouped with Hoenn despite being first obtainable in FRLG. So that's mostly a dead end. bwburke94 (talk) 14:55, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

You do release that FRLG were Gen 3 games right? Just because Deoxys can obtained in other region doesn't mean it originated in gen 3 thus belongs in the Hoenn Group. It obvious Meltan was an exception due to the fact SS are the first main core seires game you can use Meltan that is not LGE and LGP. Third Meltan was introduced in the last Gen 7 Games, so it still part of Alolam hell it first appeared in the Alola region in anime, not just Kanto in video games.--Jacob9594 (talk) 15:00, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

It seems like the Home dex puts them in "Unknown Origins". So it's more like they're not a part of any generation? Sucoleo (talk) 03:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Grouping Pokémon by generations is more of a fan concept than an official one. In official sources, Pokémon are grouped by the region in which they were "first discovered". Since Meltan was not "first discovered" in any region, it is always listed as such in GO and HOME; however, it was introduced in a Generation VII core series game, so it is (by definition) a Pokémon that was introduced in Generation VII. --SnorlaxMonster 09:02, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

There is not official that divide games by generations... or better, there is no official source that say LGPE is gen 7, the "gen 7" term is fanmade actually... there is no official source that use numbers or that explicitly divide games by generations, actually GF showed to be more propense to insert Meltan line in Galar in a poll, calling it "Galar ecc..." in stead that put it in Alola. And now with Hisui they showed this even more since in Home "Hisui" is considered a generation of his own. Saying "Legends Arceus" is a gen 8 is a completly massive headcanon of the fandom. There is no official source that state so, actually, the official sources completly divide Galar and Hisui.--Zarxiel94 (talk) 10:47, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

misinformation

your opening lines says

Meltan (Japanese: メルタン Meltan) is a Steel-type Mythical Pokémon introduced in Generation VII in Pokémon: Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee!.

but this is a lie, cuz it debuted in pokemon go. you are lying to people by saying it debuted in pokemon go. - unsigned comment from Roserade57 (talk • contribs)

i see this also applies to pokemon like munchlax, where youre lying abiut their origins. - unsigned comment from Roserade57 (talk • contribs)

Meltan's main series debut is in Let's Go; Pokémon GO isn't main series. same thing with Munchlax; while it made cameos in a few pre-gen 4 anime movies and games (eg. Red/Blue Rescue Team), it made its proper main series debut in Gen 4. either way, there have been mentions of Meltan and Munchlax's pre-main series debut appearances in their pages' opening paragraphs and Trivia sections. Anzasquiddles (talk) 04:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Many Pokemon appeared before their "official introduction" and that should be noted in the opening lines.--Rocket Grunt 08:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

it is misleading because i had people telling me it debuted in lets go. but it didnt, did it. you should be stating where their debut was. in the opening line. being put in the main series doesnt make it official, whatever thats supposed to mean. it should mention in the opening line that munchlax debuted in pokemon racing or whatever.Roserade57 (talk) 23:00, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

it should mention in the opening line that munchlax debuted in pokemon racing or whatever. - unsigned comment from Roserade57 (talk • contribs)