Talk:Brendan (game)

Is this article still a stub?

I mean, it has lots of information... is it a stub or no?--PikamasterADV 00:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it is, but it's all at the discrepancy of the editor. If you think it isn't anymore, go on and take it off. Tom Temprotran 04:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Article name

Ok, what's up with this double redirect?

Brendan (game) →‎ Brendan →‎ Brendan (game character)

Which should it be at? --FabuVinny 15:33, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see a point of moving this article from Brendan to Brendan (game character)--Maxim 17:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Someone random user moved this, and many other articles last night. (Including, in the most bizarre move I've ever seen, moving Blue (game) to Kinkajou) It was originally just Brendan. I'm guessing that's what the article should be moved back to. --PAK Man 17:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

No, I think the weirdest one was the moving of Wally to Wally (character). I mean - what other Wally would there be? ><' --Pie ^~♪♫ 18:11, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Brother

Just a quick question, I've played the Sapphire version, and I don't remember the rival (be it Brendan or May) ever having a brother. Is it only in the Emerald version or something? Manga-in-a-bottle

Yes. It was only in emerald in which the rival had a younger brother. Most likely a refrence of Max ~Mr.lol

Ok. Maybe I could note it in both article with one of those asterisk thingies -- what's the tag for that, please? Manga-in-a-bottle

Nevermind, got it. Manga-in-a-bottle

Brendan in Super Smash Bros. Brawl???

Please post all comments under Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl#Brendan??? MERRY CHRISTMAS 01:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay... so.

Question: There's no other Brendan, but there's also no other Lucas. All of the other game protagonists are at name (game), why not Brendan too? After all, we do the autodisambig for all Pokémon, why not for all game characters? TTEchidna 02:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand the logic behind it, but it's pointless after all. There's only one Brendan in the canon. The one who got two cameos in anime isn't notable enough to deserve separate article and be considered as a separate character. --Maxim 18:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't like have (game) either. It's just like having "[Move Name] (move)", what's the point? Porygon-Z 18:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I concur, It is USELESS TO HAVE GAME THEREC Is for Cookie 19:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Because Double Team is a trainer class, too. TTEchidna 02:59, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Yea, and Psychic is a disambig too. --Theryguy 5 1 2 13:41, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, it's fine to have them like that, but what else in the game is called Hydro Pump? Absorb? Ice Beam? Porygon-Z 16:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Because then we have an issue like Wikipedia does with gold followed by mercury, and Mercury followed by Venus. Here we have the link templates that take care of eeeeeverything. TTEchidna 00:23, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Question question...

Has he been seen in his Emerald outfit in the anime, or just his RS outfit? TTEchidna 03:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Only his Ruby/Sapphire outfit. Yes, even in the ninth movie, which came after Emerald's release. --Shiningpikablu252 04:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Likely because May was still in hers, then, I'd bet. TTEchidna 03:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, how about now?

May appeared in her Emerald clothes. Brendan fought Lucas in the opening of GatSB as far as I've heard. Was he in the Emerald clothes? Was Lucas in the DP clothes? Who had what? And WHY HAS LEAF NOT YET APPEARED IN THE ANIME? TTEchidna 23:03, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I heard that too and mabye Leaf have a cameo or never will appear -_---CoolPikachu! 23:07, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I saw him in Emerald clothes in the 12th movie, but others say that he was in RS outfit...TwT PD: Yes, he was in Emerald outfit, but it's not the exactly of the game. In the Pokémon Sunday video appears the RS artwork just to confirm that he was, but you can see the Emerald outfit clearly. --Nick. 04:40, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

D/P

Do anyone knows if Brendan appears in the 11th movie with his Emerald clothes??.... Yeah, he does. --Nick. 02:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

About Brendan and his clothes in the 11th movie

Okay, this is beginning in controversy. I see the Emerald outfit there, and I'm not the only. Just, like in my talk page, compare this two images, one from the 7th or 9th movie, an the other from the Pokémon Sunday video of the 11th movie. Brendan in R/S clothes:

This is obvious, the red is there.

And this:

Why do anymore see the green and the orange there? I know that the R/S outfit have the sleeves longest, but just the clothes are not exactly as of the games. Lucas' outfit is more blue, but in the game is totaly black. But, I recommend that just wait for a HQ image, or the movie online, and do not comment that. --Nick. 03:39, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

White thingey...

Can someone tell me what white stuff Brendan has on his head? O.O Madch94 00:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

His hair. hfc 2X 00:09, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I think its a beanie/hairnet type thing Mooites 00:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

The manga shows that, but it's left ambiguous in the games and anime. IIMarckus 00:43, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Brendan and May

I need help, this may sound silly but it would really understand more, you see, as you very well know, in the game, Brendan and May can be chosen as a playable character, and if you choose may then, may'll have a mother while Brendan will have a father (which is Prof Birch) and that's how things can be accounted for in the Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald games, if Brendan is referred to as the rival, then he'll select a stronger pokemon then May and from then on he'l keep that throughout the story.

Well in the anime, it acts the same way, in the movies, he appears as the owner of a mudkip while May is torchic's trainer, i wouldn't think this is so if Brendan never made an anime appearance but since he did, does this mean he is the son of Prof Birch?, i'm not to sure, but i think the game rules applies in the anime as well, it's like the anime itself choose May as the primary player so maybe this would be true and in the game, May and Brendan talked to each other, does May even know who Brendan is?. Gaiden 13:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I know this message is rather old, but I think it is probably quite liklely that he is Birch's son in the anime. Or at least, it seems logical. Brendan most certainly does exist in the anime world, but whether May knows him or not, we will probably never know... Taromon 18:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Champion of Hoenn

In the Anime Wallace said that he is no longer the champion and Steven Stone seems to have a simular appearance to Emerald could that mean Brendan is the champion? Tsg812 9:41 PM, 24 August 2008

ExplainDCM

I'd imagine the explanation to go like so: if Wallace, in the DP saga, is not Hoenn's current acting Champion of the E4, and Steven having made no indication, way back in Dewford, that he was Champion then or ever, and also not indicating he's shooting for that position, would perhaps Brendan be Champion. My vote: no. ArcToraphim 03:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Sibling theory

I have noticed that Brendan and May could be siblings. This also applies to Dawn and Lucas. Whichever character the player chooses to be, they will come from the same town, have the same mother and father etc. They may be from separate families in the game, but Dawn and Lucas also have similar hair tone. This may have been obvious to some people already, but should it be mentioned in their articles? Hellkaiserryo12 21:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Über speculation--The Kk ll nn ator blastoise 21:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't sound plausible to me. I don't understand what you're talking about when you say that they "have the same mother and father", but are "from separate families", that sounds like a contradiction. The gender the player chooses at the start pretty much sets the canon for the player character and the alternate-gender-turned rival (which, of course, is unwieldy when writing about the games at times), so either May is Birch's daughter or Brendan is Birch's son, but never both/neither in the same save file in game canon. Same goes for Dawn and Lucas and their respective family situations. Lucentas 21:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I think they mean they may be cousins. I don't think they're cousins,they don't appear to know each other,and their parents don't act family like Lovely Rose 05:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

That's unlikely, because the character you choose in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald originally came from Johto (at least that's what an NPC in Petalburg says in Ruby and Sapphire; Emerald's text is more vague and simply says "a faraway place") and the character you didn't choose isn't mentioned as being from a region other than Hoenn. As for Dawn and Lucas, the character you didn't choose lives in a different town than the one you chose. --Evice 01:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

(Game), In the anime.

Does anyone else see something strange in the fact that the very first section of this article, Brendan (game), is about some cameos in the anime? Either that shouldn't be in the article at all, or it should be moved to a spot underneath the game information. -Stephen93 16:34, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Most consider an anime appearance for a character to be major. Despite not being first, the anime's likely the most known part of the franchise... TTEchidna 18:43, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

His hat

Shouldn't that be un-determinded? He may just have a baggy hairdo,and 2 colors of hair. That's somewhat common in anime. Lovely Rose 05:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

He took it off in the manga revealing that he had black hair underneath. Though... it is just in the manga that was shown in. --ケンジの ガール 05:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Yea,I know that. I should have made it more clear,I meant the game Brendan. Lovely Rose 18:38, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Well we have no proof that it is his hair in the games so we have to go by what's said in the manga. Though the fact that one of Pikachu's alternate costumes in SSBB is just the headband and not the white part raises some questions. --ケンジの ガール 11:41, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Or we could argue that there is no proof it anywhere but the manga. There are significant differences between the manga and other forms of continuity, and we shouldn’t make assumptions that one thing is true everywhere else. IIMarckus 00:29, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to intrude on a two month old conversation..Then maybe we should remove the quote about his hair from the article,or modify it Lovely Rose 01:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

His sideburns, eyebrows, and the hair on the back of his head (clearly visible in his back sprite) are black, making it look like he has black hair like his manga counterpart (as well as Norman). I think it's more ambiguous as to whether he's wearing a hat or a combination of a wig and a headband. --Evice 00:04, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Just because black hair sticking out from under the headband doesn't mean it's a wig or hat (Though it's definitely a hat in the manga, but that's just in the manga as far as we know). He could just as easily have a hairstyle similar to Chaud from the Megaman Battle Network games, where the hair is mostly white but with black sideburns and around the back.

Trivia

In the appearance part if the article, it says that he is the one that battled Bruno in the first episode. Is this even plausible? Corvy 22:18, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

His anime cameo

Can we maybe get a larger screenshot of him? We hardly see him. Wasn't he seen closer up in Giratina? Lovely Rose 00:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Nope, he was much further out in Giratina. I'm finding it hard to make him out, even apparently in HD. All you see of him is the small version in the background, and you can see most of his portrait on the screen in the top-right a few seconds later, but again very small. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 17:41, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Should we really refer to him as wearing a hat?

Some official arts show him with his "hair" being floppy like a hat(though,I doubt that is canon since that art shows May with brown eyes),others don't. Some show him with black side burns,others don't. Some show him with white hair,others don't. Just because the back of his sprite's head is black,doesn't mean anything. He could have black and white hair,and that could be a hat but he can still have black and white hair. He could be just wearing a headband,similar to May's bandanna(gender counterparts tend to wear similar headgear). Should we leave it as un-confirmed? Lovely Rose 03:13, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

There are a lot of different possible options that seem to be out there. I'd say based on the Emerald artwork (and ever so slightly from his manga counterpart) to sick with the fact he has a hat and black hair.

Besides, long white hair on a 10-year-old kid? TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 17:54, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Ever heard of Ryo Bakura? Young kid, long white hair. Also Near from Death Note is young with white hair. It's classic anime hair. Also, what about Tory Lund? --ケンジの ガール 05:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Should that quote be left in the article,or changed? Lovely Rose 17:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

My, this boy seems to have black side burns as well. I suppose his hair must also be a hat? I'm editing the article to include mention that the hat is only explicitly so in the Manga. Fishman 15:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Not to jump in on a huge despute or anything, but in this art he doesn't look like he has black sideburns http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj34/AnimexGirlX/Pokemon/Poke%20Special%20Group/pokemon_screen001.jpg?t=1250402808 The skin coloring is too light to tell, but it could be white sideburns. Either way, for all we know he dyed his hair and roots have grown out (so his sideburns are black, as well as the back of his hair, but the top is white). :P Just speculation here, but i think it'd be best to not take sides in the article itself. CherryParanoia 06:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

His sideburns never really became apparent until the Emerald art was released. So basing an argument on the R/S art isn't exactly going to work... TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 12:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the white "hair" is his hat because Norman has dark coloured hair. Taromon777 20:54, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

His figures..

Are they canon? If so, maybe we can use them in the "hair or hat" part of the article? They show him wearing a hat, right? Lovely Rose 23:16, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Only rivals you cannot name?

What about Wally, and the Pseudo Rivals, you can't name them. Lovely Rose 17:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Pseudo-rivals are pseudo-rivals, and Wally is never officially classified as a rival. ZestyCactus 18:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Green Pokeball?

What is with that Pokeball he is holding in his original official art? What ball is that? Lovely Rose 20:52, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

He borrowed it from ~~dream!Ash MY MEMORY FAILS~~ Bruno in the first episode, obviously.

Seriously though, it could be a Nest Ball or (much much less likely) a Friend Ball. Or Sugimori could have been drunk at the time he colored it. It's hard to tell. 梅子 ^❀_✿ 20:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

It's not any known ball. There's a thing on it on the Poké Ball page under "Green Poké Balls". ZestyCactus 21:00, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

name meaning

the japanese name yuki means snow while brendan comes from old english brandon meaning hill covered with bloom... could we add that... Badwolf1234 03:06, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

No. 梅子 ^❄_❅ 03:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Anime screenshots

The section says it needs a new screenshot. So..I decided to try and get one myself. I got a few, and a few of Brendan's back (to see his hat, just in case anyone wants to mention his anime counterpart in that hat section). Will any of them do? Dia Sprite 03:01, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

The CN logo is very unflattering. —darklordtrom 05:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Hat confirmed?

Earlier today, Sugimori apparently responded to someone over his Twitter that Brendan indeed wears a hat. I say apparently because I used Google Translate to get this. Can someone please translate this into a more accurate translation so it can be confirmed?

Joltik 01:34, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Ataro removed the trivia thing about hat or not from the page altogether, but could something be mentioned about there being a lot of confusion until Sugimori confirmed it? Ikarishipper900 20:13, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

His hair underneath is actually Brown in the game..?

I was playing Ruby the other day and hooked it up to my Colosseum XD Gale of Darkness and noticed his hair on the sides, back, and his eye brows and eye's are infact brown. So he must have brown hair in the games, and black hair in the manga. It is too hard to see if he has brown hair in the anime. How did anyone not notice this?! Also, I predict that that thing on Brendan's head is a hat and will stay with him on the remake. I also believe they may change some of the things on their outfits for the remake's as well. It is also very believable that the remakes will be released after Pokemon Grey, which should come out next year. It is not confirmed that Grey will be the name, but is is most likely, seeing as the first to were Pokemon Black and White Version. - unsigned comment from Ruka Roaw (talk • contribs)

Okay, please don't think I'm mean for this, but 1) there is no Colosseum XD Gale of Darkness. Which do you mean? 2) His sprites in the GBA games clearly show black hair. I don't think his headshots from either Colosseum or XD look like brown hair, but I may not be seeing them clearly enough. 3) I'm not sure what exactly what you would want changed even if it IS brown, but again I didn't examine the article for mentions of hair color. 4) I'm pretty sure this is not the place for predictions or speculation. 5) No Hoenn remakes have been scheduled or announced, as far as I know, so please don't act like it's guaranteed. Ikarishipper900 23:35, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Also, there's no need to predict on the hat. Please read the section above. Ikarishipper900 23:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Hair color

I know Brendan's hair color is black, bu on the image where he gives Torchic the ribbon, it looks like he has more of a light hair color. Iml908 (talk) 20:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

It's most likely an error in the animation, I don't think it's that notable. --Pokemaster 97 23:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I know that this is an old topic, but in the new Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire artwork his hair color has been changed from black to brown. Should this be added in his infobox? evacino (talk) 21:51, 10 August 2014 (BST)

FireRed and LeafGreen sprite?

Where did that sprite come from? Is it actually used in FireRed and LeafGreen or is it just dummied-out data? Either way, there should be something on the page explaining it. --Fli cky 1991 16:13, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Could be from trading between FRLG and RSE. If it's anything like the other games, you see the other player in the overworld. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ ♥ 18:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Yep, that's where it's used. It also goes the other direction, and explains why Red and Leaf have Hoenn-style sprites in Emerald for the same reason. Miles (talk) 18:16, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire Artwork

Has been uploaded to the Archives. Can someone add it to the article's infobox? Luigi-San 19:32, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Added and the article has been updated accordingly. --Pokemaster 97 21:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

New name in ORAS?

In the ORAS demo, his name is "Orlando".

Is this an official name change or...? TheFatPanda (talk) 19:58, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

It's a placeholder name. Whenever a new game comes out, the players are always given names based on the respective upcoming games. Brendan is Orlando, May is Anna, Calem is Xavier, Serena is Yvonne, etc etc... See here for more info. We also know that the characters still retain their in-game rival names, so nothing's changed. Ataro (talk) 20:50, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Move

Years ago, this article was moved from "Brendan" to "Brendan (game)" because supposedly that's how protagonists are named (and because someone else with that name might appear).

But it's not really right that I search "Brendan", get redirected to "Brendan (game)", and then there's no other "Brendan"s on this whole wiki. You don't need a disambiguating parenthetical if there's nothing being disambiguated. If this is the only Brendan, he should be at "Brendan". It's that simple.

...The same goes for Lucas, Hilbert, Nate, Calem, Kris, Leaf, Hilda, and Rosa. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

They are game characters. The parenthesis is there to distinguish that. Besides, it'll look really inconsistent with May, Dawn, and Serena.--Force Fire 06:02, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree with moving it. It's the only instance, so why disambiguate it? While consistency is a thing to consider, I'd suggest that May and Dawn are such main characters in the anime that their disambiguation as game characters is needed, and even Serena to an extent (several appearances in anime). Brendan, however, doesn't have that problem; he is the only one, and therefore I don't see a need to disambiguate that which doesn't need it. It's like if you want to refer, in general, to a musical album; if there's only one by the name, you use that as the title. Sometimes, the title might also be a book, or a movie; in that case, the one that is the most common usage gets the title (that itself is a matter of debate), and the rest get disambiguated.

If Brendan later appears in the anime or manga for whatever reason, we can revisit it then, I think. CycloneGU (talk) 07:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

It's been over a month but the notice is still at the top of the article so I take it this topic isn't dead. I agree with ForceFire, it's all about consistency. the parenthetical "game" is a common indicator. Changing more than half of them seems a bit ridiculous. I don't even give a Schif (Talk • Contribs) 18:52, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not hearing any actual benefit to this "consistency"... All I'm getting is that consistency is just "good", for its own sake; and that doesn't actually amount to a "reason" for this naming, much less a good one. Like I said above, a parenthetical is supposed to disambiguate/"distinguish" two pages with the same base name, yet there's only one "Brendan" (or Lucas, or etc); this naming scheme is patently being misapplied, and to no concrete benefit. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:17, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

The very definition of "disambiguation" is as follows: "Disambiguation is the process of resolving the conflicts that arise when a single term is ambiguous — when it refers to more than one topic." In this case, Brendan (and Lucas, Hilbert, etc.) only apply to one topic. There is no disambiguation and they should be given the articles by the direct name, not a disambiguated version. This is irrefutable in my mind. CycloneGU (talk) 19:54, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

It's the same reason why we have Dunsparce (Pokémon) rather than just Dunsparce. There are no other major Dunsparce in the anime, yet it still has the (Pokémon) tag. Why? Consistency, that's why. Same reason for Brendan (game) over Brendan, consistency. Besides, anyone searching "Brendan" would be redirected to this article.--Force Fire 03:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

This begs a good question, then. Why NOT remove the " (Pokémon)" from all 721 pages? There is, I'm sure in at least 711 (out of 721) cases or more, no other reference for any of the Pokémon names. Abilities and moves can get the same treatment. I always thought those were set up like that because otherwise the templates would not work correctly (e.g. Diancie, Diamond Storm, Pixilate), and the ending was for the purposes of the respective template, but none of the characters referenced are part of any such template nor require disambiguation.

That said, in the case of Pokémon pages, they still need them, I think - in every single case, and not because of "consistency". Reasoning? They appear in the manga, the anime, and other sources. Each redirect could be its own disambiguation page with the species page always being first, and other instances on the disambiguation pages, but that's not how you currently do things. Moves and abilities could lose the endings as far as I'm concerned and everything would still be fine, but Pokémon pages could still lose them without something like what I suggested in place and there would be no problems. Again, I always assumed the reason for them was for the templates, no other reason; using them then as a reason to force disambiguation on other types of pages is silly at best. That's just my opinion, however, and I know where that gets me sometimes. CycloneGU (talk) 03:24, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I honestly think it's weird that any of the game protagonists have "(game)" at the end of them, especially for the reason of "consistency". The gym leaders from the games all have no "(game)" appended to them, and some of them are much more important in the anime than in the games (Brock, Misty, Cilan, Iris, and Clemont). If arguing for the point of consistency, then shouldn't all these characters have "(game)" on them too? 15avaughn (talk) 05:35, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Good point. Why are they not appended as, for instance, "Clemont (Gym Leader)" is we are trying to be consistent?

Pokémon pages are single pages for anime, manga, and games. I don't see why Clemont, Iris, May, etc. can't all have single pages. In cases where a character is very important, such as being one of Ash's traveling companions (as an example), the template can just have a reference to a main article discussing that character in the anime; otherwise, single pages would work for every single character as they do Pokémon. If a Character of the day appears with an identical name, that's a special case that can be handled on its own. CycloneGU (talk) 06:57, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Koga (Gym leader), Bugsy (Gym leader), Roxanne (Gym leader), Roark (Gym leader), Lenora (Gym Leader), Clemont (Gym Leader) all redirect to their respective articles. Every Gym leader has the parenthesis. I made sure, blame Flint. Important anime characters will be too much information in one page, hence the split. Pokémon articles are meant to summarize the manga, anime and tcg sections.--Force Fire 07:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Double Team is both a trainer class and a move. Psychic is both a type and a move. Metronome is both an item and a move. Having some pages at X (Y) and some pages at just X creates confusion. And the (Pokémon) debate was already discussed ages ago and it was decides that they stay where they are.--Force Fire 07:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I have to admit that "(Pokémon)"/"(move)"/"(type)"/"(Trainer class)" make things much harder to argue here (for me)... I can't put words to a good reason why those are okay and these aren't. Except maybe that they are consistent, wholly. Because not every character in the games is actually qualified with "(game)" on their page title, like 15avaughn said. I once tried to link "Norman (game)", only to realize he's just at Norman. To me, this half-assed "consistency", applied only to "protagonists" (yet generically labeled "(game)"), is much more confusing and questionable than the Pokémon and moves and types and Trainer classes are. So I would be happy if it were applied to all characters that appeared in the games, or (as I've been saying) if it were only applied where actually needed; but the current state of affairs is just confusing. Tiddlywinks (talk) 09:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't see why any names without disambiguations shouldn't have them. When we link things such as Pokémon or trainers, we use Bulbasaur or Gentleman. The disambiguation aligns with the appropriate wikitext, "{{p|" and "{{tc|" respectively, that we assign the names. Following that pattern, shouldn't all formal names have some kind of disambiguation? C.Wallace (Talk|Contribs) 18:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

[Outdent] Ash Ketchum says hi. Why isn't he tagged "(anime)"? Are anime characters without in-game equivalents automatically not in need of "consistency"? CycloneGU (talk) 19:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Also, I forgot to note, but yes, based on the examples provided, moves and abilities do in some cases need the disambiguation. I see the consistency there. But with Ash's example above, there is only one Ash Ketchum. Therefore, since there is only one Brendan, and one Lucas, and one Hilbert, for "consistency" they should not be tagged. CycloneGU (talk) 19:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Adding to what CycloneGU is saying, this doesn't just apply to Ash Ketchum in the anime character pages. Rather it seems that every anime original character doesn't have "(anime)" added to their name, i.e. Jessie, James, Nurse Joy, Officer Jenny. So why are the protagonists subject to this? Heck, the gym leaders don't even have disambiguation pages, so why do the protagonists? (besides the obvious reason why Red does.) They just have a link to their anime counterpart in the article, if their anime counterpart is important enough to merit an article. Basically, what I'm trying to say is that all character page titles are a mess right now, so if arguing that they need to be consistent like the "(Pokémon)" articles, then that also means that Brock, Misty, Cilan, Iris, and Clemont should be disambiguation pages, and all gym leaders should have "(game)" appended to them, and that all anime characters should have "(anime)" appended to them. Instead of that, we could follow what the anime character and gym leader pages are doing already and give game characters precedence over anime characters, like having May be the main game article, and having a "Did you mean?" or Disambiguation at the top of the page, like most Wikipedia articles. As for characters like Brendan, who have no counterparts, there is no problem whatsoever with moving them to their actual name without "(game)" appended. I think those two options are really the only choices, as right now, the protagonists aren't consistent with anything but themselves and Blue, Silver, and Barry. So we can choose to either make them consistent with the Pokémon articles (which would require doing the same for all other characters), or with the other characters, which would only require moving the protagonists and those rivals. 15avaughn (talk) 23:47, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I have an addendum, sorry. This arbitrary "(game)" literally only applies to main series protagonists, and the rivals noted (and Wally, sorry, I forgot him.) Characters like Wes, Michael, Mark, Mint, and all the Pokémon Ranger protagonists also follow the other characters' example, with the game character getting the main article, and anime getting "(anime)" at the end when they have an anime counterpart. Something tells me this "(game)" thing was originally to differentiate Red, Blue, Gold and Silver, the characters, from Red, Blue, Gold and Silver, the games. Which is hilarious, since what used to be the "(character)" at the end is now "(game)" which doesn't help disambiguate them at all! 15avaughn (talk) 00:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry again, but I was incorrect in saying all the Pokémon Ranger protagonists all have their own names as their page title. That only applies to half of them, the other half have "(Ranger)" for some reason, which could also be removed, with a small disambiguation at the top. Like, for Summer a "Did you mean the season or the Character of the Day?" Kate would be exactly the same as Summer. As for Ben's disambiguation, the only other person is some unimportant NPC. Seriously. 15avaughn (talk) 00:31, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

First of all, indent your text with the proper number of colon(s) (:) to mark your place in the conversation..Second, use the preview button to avoid repetitive, clogging edits. Third, We are NOT Wikipedia or Wikia, WE ARE NIWA, so we don't do things like the corporate wikis. Fourth, this discussion's continuation is pointless, since an admin has said no, and refuses to back down. Finally, don't accuse the admins of hypocrisy:it is a blockable offense. - unsigned comment from BlisseyandtheAquaJets (talk • contribs)

Okay, firstly, sorry about the indents, that was my fault. I was just following CycloneGU's outdent. Secondly, I only made three edits, I don't think that's quite the same as "clogging edits". Thirdly, Bulbapedia also uses the "disambiguation" page system, like Pikachu (disambiguation) and the top of Pikachu (Pokémon) which links to it, which was what I was suggesting for characters, except without the appended parenthetical, since other characters don't use them. Fourth, I didn't accuse anyone of hypocrisy, and I'm just stating my opinion on the matter, I didn't realize ForceFire was an admin, and I honestly thought this discussion wasn't quite over, which is why I posted. 15avaughn (talk) 05:52, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Nothing is wrong with an "outdent" (or {{indent}}) when the indent progresses far enough (which is somewhat subjective).

Discussion on a move is over when the Editorial Board makes a decision or when a staff member explicitly says "Discussion is over" or "This is my/our decision", and not before. Until then, it's still a discussion, an exchange between people in more or less even positions. Tiddlywinks (talk) 10:36, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

1. I created the outdent because I thought twelve indents was plenty.

2. I believe the Editorial Board made the decision long ago, hence why this page was protected from moving except by admins. back on October 31, 2008 (check the log for this talk page). Also, Bulbapedia DOES have a disambiguation policy; therein, it's stated:

Whereas on other wikis, disambiguation pages are used and created after the fact, Bulbapedia has many disambiguation pages which are already prepared to be used in case of a Pokémon's capture in the anime or one of the many manga series, among other instances. These disambiguation pages are utilized mostly to assist in linking within other articles using link templates so that an article that is incorrectly linked can be found and corrected more quickly.

I think this is the consistency to which Force Fire refers, in having a disambiguation possible to be created for every character. The thing is, this creates double redirects everywhere. I would think a double redirect causes more server stress than a simple link; if the user assumes Brendan has a page at the "Brandan" page, without (game) on it, then that user may Wikilink to it, causing a double redirect. I have always believes double redirects to be a bad thing. It's just how I have always tried to do things. Look at what links to the "Brendan" page, and notice even our official walkthroughs are linking to them. Most, however, are created at user talk pages, with one hiding out in Glik's Sandbox.

The same could be said for the Pokémon pages, which redirect to links with " (Pokémon)" appended, but that page itself encyclopedically describes every place it's appeared; a disambiguation page itself would be something like May, which is different. People searching for Pikachu will only find one kind of Pikachu; you wouldn't find a human in-game character by that name, and the most common usage would be the Pokémon page (though Ash's Pikachu might be debated, the game would win that debate and the very page would already offer a link to an article about that instance). So yes, I think Pokémon pages can be moved to the non-apended variants because there's nothing else any of them could really be. (Speaking of Pikachu, there are 111 double redirects listed here.)

I guess I just don't see a point to disambiguating for the sake of disambiguating; if something conflicting comes up later, it takes less than a minute to create a redirect. What we're currently doing, in my opinion, is akin to being prepared for the apocalypse even though it will likely never happen in our lifetimes. The KISS principle should apply (Keep It Simple, Susan - or Silly, you pick). CycloneGU (talk) 04:21, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Artwork Section Missing Images?

It's been bothering me for a while that, while the artwork of the Contest Spectacular appears in the gallery, other official pieces featuring Brenden are not such as the Super Secret Bases artwork and the Soaring through the Sky one. The same could be said about May's page as well. Were they deliberately left out for a reason? Also I haven't seen the Team Magma vs. Team Aqua art around on their respective pages (note - image 4961 × 3508 size). --evacino (talk) 01:34, 23 January 2015 (UTC)