Talk:M01

CGI

The CGI effects were made for the Japanese DVD of it and not for the dub. --Qwertybub3 02:32, 01 June 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as the DVD was only released in 2000 and the Japanese VHS with the CGI in late 1999, I'm inclined to think the dub got the new CGI first. - 振霖_T 12:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, something was said on the audio commentary about the CGI being added for the dub. Yes, I listen to audio commentaries. -Happy Mask Man 17:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The movie and the anime

Could anyone tell me when the movie timeline is placed compared to the timeline of the anime? :) Amargaard 19:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Who's that pokemon?

In the error section of this page it says that meowth gave the wrong names of pokemon. What If he meant to do that, not making it an error?

I agree, but I thought Team Rocket made the mistake? Anyway, it only shows their lack of knowledge when it comes to Pokémon silhouettes, if you catch my drift ... Tesh 22:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

He didn't do that in the original version, only in the English dub. Don't believe that excuse Michael Haigney and Norman Grossfeld gave that they were trying to make Team Rocket look stupid. They're only trying to cover for their mistakes. --PAK Man ^Talk 00:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Ahh, I haven't seen the Japanese (original) version, I wouldn't understand it anyway. However, have you noticed that, James has a great knowledge of Pokémon? Probably from all of those tutors from his childhood... Tesh 22:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

This is what is actually said in the commentary:

"That is a mistake that we made. We actually made a mistake when we did the first draft of the script and we actually recorded that incorrectly. We did catch ourselves."

"Right. I think the son of the sound effects editor noticed it watching the film."

"Right. And [this] was before it was completely done and [he] pointed it out to us and we ultimately made - maybe it was laziness or maybe it was genius, I don't know (laughs) - decided to keep the mistake in: a) to make something fun for the kids to spot and also we realised that, well, would Team Rocket actually know every Pokémon and be experts to see the silhouettes and point them out correctly? And we decided ultimately that they can make a mistake so we can make a mistake."

That is a long way from your claims, PAK Man, so lay off the 4Kids bashing.

As for James's knowledge, that is something that has been developed since movie 1. Were his cards even seen before AG? --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 22:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Blastoise, Charizard, Venusaur

If I remember right, didn't Mewtwo have those clones pre-made, and then just faced them off against Shellshocker, Ash's Charizard, and Bruteroot? That'd mean that Togepi wasn't the only uncloned Pokémon. TTEchidna 22:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, he did already have them.--Starlight_the_ampharos 21:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

That doesn't mean they weren't uncloned. In the Origin of Mewtwo, they were Bulbasaurtwo, Charmandertwo, and Squirtletwo, all cloned by Dr. Fuji. - unsigned comment from PH1RESTRIKE (talk • contribs) 21:59, 11 February 2009

Oh wait, scratch that. 1337Fire ►strike! 22:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Fearow Trainer?

"When the three other Pokémon trainers are taking off, Cory is seen doing it twice, the second time on a Fearow."

I'm pretty sure that's not true. I remember on a fansite, they claimed that it's a different trainer. The Fearow trainer is a girl, too. I think she's in a crowd a few minutes before the trainers leave for New Island.

Oh, and I think that the DVD commentary confirms this, and that she didn't make it to the island. Seritinajii 12:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I noticed this as well, cuz I zoomed in on the trainer and i think it was som blonde girl with pigtails that you can see near while Officer Jenny was talking. ShellShocker 10:34, 29 July 2008

Only film canon to the anime?

At least in non-Japanese languages, I'm sure Ash remembers having seen a Lugia from the Orange Islands when he meets Silver and its parent. --Johans 17:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay then. Go ahead and add it; I guess I forgot that.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 00:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The question is, why would any of them not be? Sure, Ash may not remember exactly, but remember, the show can't just assume everyone's seen all of it. TTEchidna 02:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, yeah, that's why I used "confirmed as canon," since the other movies may very well be, but it's not obvious because, like the majority of anime movies, the main series may not show any sort of acknowledgment of things that happened in movies.--Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 02:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but then again, sometimes, the series doesn't even acknowledge it's own episodes, no matter how important they really are (eg. Ash forgetting what the P1 Grand Prix was in the Tyrogue episode despite participating, becoming champion of, and loaning his champ pokemon to the runner up, May claiming that she used Skitty in the Fallabor contest when she actually used Beautifly, Ash forgetting double battles despite the fact that the reason why he won HALF of the Orange League Badges IS because of Double Battles, etc, etc.) Weedle Mchairybug 11:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Mewtwo's Origin for rating?

I don't get it, how could "Mewtwo's Origin" prevent the theatrical version from keeping its "G" rating? ShinyRayquaza 07:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

"Mewtwo's Origin" is a little dark for younger audiences. Animine 18:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You say 'a little dark,' I say 3 pokemon and a human die in it. Not an ambiguous death like Ash's, a clear death. Legionaireb 01:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Just a question.

Anybody know who composed the music/background music for this movie? D: Takoto! 11:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Team Aqua Logo?

I watched the movie on VHS after reading this aritcle and I think the Trivia should be changed. The so called logo on the bandana is simply a skull and cross bones not an "A". If it was related to anything it should say that it resembles a koffing. Thats my opinion. User:Rucario64

Opinion goes on forums. It's the Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links09:35 1 Jul 2008

It is neither the Team Aqua logo, nor a normal Skull and Crossbones. The emblem on the trainers head is the emblem that appears on the stomach of the pokemon Koffing and Weezing. Legionaireb 04:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Retcon?

Looking back at Ash's revival, it may have been the power of Aura that revived him. --Wikifixer 12:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you have proof? the only thing i remember that revived him were the tears of the Pokémon that cried when they saw him turn to stone; just as the legend said. --いぬみみ 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Confused

Okay, so I'm a bit confused about the short "Mewtwo's origin"...there is a CD drama, right? is that just a plain audio CD? If so, then what is the 12 minute clip that was cut from the dubbed version of the 1st movie? And what's with Madam Boss and Miyamoto? All i know is Miyamoto saw Mew in the mountains and hasn't been heard from again. --いぬみみ 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Continuity

I know that there are conventions that determine where the movies take place in the Pokemon storyline, and that said conventions place this movie between The Pi-Kahuna and Make Room For Gloom, but I believe it takes place much later: Specifically, between Pallet Party Panic and A Scare in the Air. My material evidence is that when the brainwashed Nurse Joy in the movie requests that Ash and company release all their pokemon, there is no sign of Pidgeotto. Less concrete is my feeling that, up to the point of The Pi-Kahuna, Ash had not accomplished anything that would have gained him sufficient notoriety to cause trainers from as far away as Johto (as indicated by the presence of a Donphan in the party of the trainer that challenges Ash in the movie's opening) to specifically seek Ash out. It would require a feat as significant as placing in the top 16 of his first Pokemon League Competition. I would like others to weigh in on this issue. Legionaireb 05:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Just because someone has a non-native Poke to the current region, doesn't mean they're from that region, sure it seems like that alot, but it doesn't always have to...Just sayin...--^Psychic_Rider^☮ 05:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Two issues

One user added the fact that Ash's Charizard obeyed him in this movie, but I don't find it believable because Ash never gave orders to Charizard and that Charizard attacked Mewtwo without warning. Does anybody agree?

Also, would it be proper to mention that the movie's dub title is a reference to Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back? --rockersk08 23:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I won't comment on your first point, though I do believe that the Star Wars note should be added to the trivia section, especially since articles on episodes have similar notes. Legionaireb 01:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for input. I put it on the page, so let's see how it goes. I'm still waiting for comment on the first topic I put. --rockersk08 01:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

New Articles

I suggest the creation of (at least) 3 new articles: one for Clone Pokemon, one for the clone Pikachu, and one for the clone Meowth. The clone Pikachu and Meowth deserve their own pages because they have personalities and abilities distinct from their originals. A page on Clone Pokemon can refer to Pokemon created by Mewtwo and the his creators, as well as Fossil Pokemon. Legionaireb 02:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Please do, and when you do, make a COMPLETE list of the clone Pokemon Jdrawer 16:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Wrong information about removed scenes

I am pretty much sure that the scenes about Mewtwo's childhood, Amber etc weren't removed from the original movie, they rather didn't exist back then yet! The first movie aired in July 1998 in Japan, the prequel in September 1999 as a "radio drama" in Japan, later on as a short anime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewtwo#In_anime_and_related_media And that's what I also remember. Maybe it's not important, maybe I'm just that interested in this because I highly hated the prequel. Since til now I was only here to edit minor mistakes, preferably about German Names etc, I couldn't change it myself if my complaint proves itself to be correct.- unsigned comment from Aicona (talk • contribs)

It was removed from the American version of Pokemon 2000Jdrawer 16:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

two things about the coment just before mine: 1: I have the origin of Mewtwo short on my English copy, of the first movie, and 2, are you sure you mean the american version of Pokemon 2000? you need to be carefull about that, just to let you know, nothing negative. Christian Woods Azu! 05:48, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Sentret

I was watching the movie and there is a Pokémon that looks like it. And it's in the article. Is this speculation or fact?--Midnight Blue 01:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... I'll go check. R.A. Hunter Blade 16:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

[1]
Eh, sorry it's so big. But no, it's not a Sentret. That's a very badly drawn Eevee in the middle, and the one on the left is either a Mankey or a Meowth. The animation isn't all that great, being the first movie and all, but it's not a Sentret either way. I also went back to the beginning of the movie, and there isn't a Sentret in the Pokémon Center during the first storm scene either. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Meowth and clone talk

Why is the subject about Meowth and his cloen talking about the moon when istead they talk about learning the lesson about what's the same and what's different? Jedi Striker 16:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Because he talks about how they share the same moon.... R.A. Hunter Blade 20:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Errors

If this website is correct, should we add these? - Vhayes1992 18:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

We have them on the page already. There's an errors section. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Blu-Ray

I know this is probably not worth pursuing further, but the wikipedia page for Mewtwo Strikes Back says that the film will be released on Blu-ray disc on April 19, 2011. Can anybody cite this?--Skulblaka Shurtugal 19:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Possibly not an error?

When Nurse joy said she'd rather be in Mewtwo's storm, than watch the Pokémon fighting, didn't Mewtwo say earlier "They [cloned Pokémon] will remain safe on this island with me, while my storm destroys the planet." when he was capturing all the Pokémon? Whatinthew0rld 18:04, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

She said this sentence towards the end of the movie. Ruixiang95 11:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

New error

Added in the error about Fergus stating all his pokémon were water types when he has Nidoqueen. Moffooo 17:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Danish sub, "Vingingerne"

The trivia in the article says "In the Danish version Brock says 'Jeg vidste ikke vikingerne stadig fantes.', and Ash replies 'Jo, men de turnere mest i Sverige.'". I have not seen the Danish dub, but if that is correct then that is most certainly a reference to the Swedish dansband Vikingarna. I don't know if this is something that should be added to the article though.

--Phil832 22:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Togepi #152

The article lists Togepi being listed as Pokémon #152 as an error.

I'm pretty sure back in those days, Pokémon and their numbers were meant to signify the order of their discovery as a live specimen. Which is why prehistoric Pokémon have higher numbers, & why Mewtwo is before Mew. It was also thrown around that the numbers was the order of their induction into being classified as a Pokémon. Plus both were a way around explaining why everyone in/on Pokémon games/anime/merchandise kept saying there were only 150 (known) Pokémon.

I think at some point this numbering explanation has been forgotten/abandoned by most fans/official sources.

This movie also takes place before much of the structure to the Generation II and the Pokédex numbering in the games in general was laid down. So if anything, Togepi's number should be Trivia not a error. Yamitora1 17:31, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

It stays as an error because if I remember correctly DVD release came out after the Generation II games were introduced in America. Frozen Fennec 17:54, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Your theory about Pokédex numbers is incorrect... there'd be several exceptions if that were the case. First off, it is stated that Todd's photo of Aerodactyl was the first picture ever taken of it, implying that it had never been seen before then. However, Dratini was in an episode earlier in the series, and his number is higher than Aerodactyl's. Same thing with Snorlax. Also, the legendary birds... they were known to exist in the second episode. As for Mew... I'm pretty sure that she had been seen by at least someone in South America much earlier. Which brings up another point... who has to be the one seeing these Pokémon before adding them to the Pokédex? Could a South American native's sighting be enough or does it need to be a researcher? Also, Mewtwo was most likely never seen by anyone with that authority, since the only people who knew of him were the scientists who created him (who were all killed), Team Rocket (who wouldn't have reported his existance), or trainers like Gary who battled him (who wouldn't have the "authority" as a researcher of adding him), so he'd never have been added to the Pokédex (and in the anime, he wasn't shown to be). So yeah, that definitely wouldn't work if we're talking anime. If we're talking games, it still wouldn't work, since Mew gave birth to Mewtwo, meaning that the scientists must have had a living Mew before Mewtwo was around, and their sighting of Mew would have listed her in the Pokédex before Mewtwo. Dannyjenn 04:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Should this be noted?

I read on dogasu.bulbagarden.net that in response to EP038, there was a message before this movie saying that the movie had no flashing lights and it was safe to watch. Should it be noted here? JacobTheDoduo 23:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Possible incorrect Trivia / Errors

- "Despite numerous mentions and hints that Charizard, as well as its pre-evolution forms will die if the flame on their tail goes out; both the Charizard clone and Charmandertwo were submerged in liquid with no visible flame while in their incubation chambers."

I don't know about the Charmandertwo (I never saw the Mewtwo's Origin short), but I re-watched Mewtwo Strikes Back and the Charizard clone is never seen without a flame. This could be because my DVD is fullscreen and that part may have been cut off the edge of the screen, so I could be wrong here.

- "This is the second time Ash dies and then comes back to life, the first being in The Tower of Terror."

I agree with this, although it's inconsistent with Bulbapedia's page for The Tower of Terror (which says Ash was knocked unconscious, not killed).

- "In the beginning of the English dub of the feature film, Raymond's Machamp is shown coming out of the Poké Ball twice."

Was that just in the dub? Because if not, I don't think that's an error... it looked to me like an instant-replay (which is odd since that's not done ever, but it seems more like trivia than an error). But if it was only in the dub, then yeah, it's probably an error.

- "Mewtwo is mistakenly colored a light blue instead of a light purple on the VHS and DVD cases."

I have the DVD and he's not blue. Part of him does look blue, but other parts of him are definitely purple. This is most likely just due to the printing, and not an error. Unless it was an error and they fixed it or something. Dannyjenn 21:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

dub edit dispute

In the dub edits section it says they made Mewtwo into a stereotypical cold-hearted villain who just wanted world domination. BULL CRAP! Did whoever wrote that even watch the dub? Mewtwo felt betrayed due to the words and actions of Dr, Fuji and Giovanni. As such, he developed a general (and possibly racist) distrust of all humams, and thus wanted to purge the world of their influence by killing them all, as well as the pokemon who shamed themselves by submitting to the humans' will. Where in there does it say "I'm evil and i wanna rule the world"? I know 4Kids isn't the most reputable company, but at least give them some credit. Morgil27 04:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

First japanese trailer, completely different story?

A friend of mine gave me this link, it seems to be the first trailer (japanese) of the movie, but there are some scenes that weren't used in the film itself, it's kinda strange o.o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b70GRNYnacI&feature=youtu.be --AfO 02:05, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's already stated on the page. ^★Jo the Marten^★ ಠ_ಠ♥ 02:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Continuity Citation

Why exactly does it say this movie takes place between EP067 Pi-Kahuna and EP068 Make Room for Gloom, from what I've read theirs really no evidence it takes place here short of the original Japanese episode that would have been airing this week if EP038 Electric Soldier Porygon hadn't occurred. This really doesn't seem like a strong case especially because it seems to contradict the movie on 2 factors.

1)The Pirate Trainer knew who Ash was at the start of the Movie, though Ash hadn't accomplished anything noteworthy yet.

2)Pidgeotto is missing form this movie.

Though I'm sure its been suggested before, and I don't want to look like a Jerk ranting on Bulbapedia, but shouldn't this take place after EP081 because Ash just released his Pidgeot and now only has 4 Pokemon (Pikachu, Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Charizard) on hand, not to mention this was originally planned to be the movie finale to the series before it was extended. Really I just want solid evidence it takes place their and not just a release date. Bith 03:05, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Spoilers ending..?

I'm pretty sure this is the only movie page that uses the "Spoilers End Here" template. Why is that? Also, I believe it should not be used in the first place, since there are also spoilers in the Trivia section. Should it be removed? --Phoenixon (talk) 20:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Golem trivia

Pikachu got a power-up early in the anime to fight Brock, and that's why his electric attacks can hurt ground types. Does that really count as an error? Tokeupdude (talk) 02:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

It's been shown before that the movies do not always directly correspond with the anime. Besides, that "power-up" Pikachu received was pretty much situational and I don't think it has any direct correspondence with Pikachu being able to effect Ground types with its Electric moves. --Pokemaster97 03:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

The former is a cheap excuse, so I'll accept the latter. Tokeupdude (talk) 06:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Fourth Trainer Trivia

This is about the unknown fourth Trainer who departs on the back of a Fearow. She is actually seen in greater detail in the building along with all of the other Trainers as they confront Officer Jenny about the cancelled ferry. However, at the end of the movie, when the same crowd gathers, she is gone. I've already noted this in Trivia, but I have screenshots of these scenes: in detail from the front, in the crowd from above, and the crowd at the end of the movie without her. I'm going to upload the detailed one for sure, but should I combine the two shots of the crowd like a comparison, or upload them separately? --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 18:12, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I'd say combine the two shots. Having one image of two shots side by side is better than having two separate thumbnails (for a lack of better word).--ForceFire 22:36, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Thought so too. Side-by-side, I suppose (that's how I prefer comparisons to be). I'll get on it. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 06:02, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

seadra fight with clone spotted?

Seadra and the clone. can we remove the information under the error now? -Pokeant (talk) 18:01, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Confirmed. "Error" removed. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 12:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Dr. Fuji's voice

So it was recently discovered that Philip Bartlett is alive and that he was also Dr. Fuji's voice: this article needs to be updated because it lists Maddie Blaustein as Dr. Fuji's voice. By the way, that site also says that in The Uncut Story Of Mewtwo's Origin Fuji (and young Mewtwo) are voiced by Eric Stuart: is it true? I think that confirm or deny that is important because it could reveal whether that short was dubbed together the movie and then cut or dubbed later. I think I should also mention this in Talk:Dr. Fuji (anime) and Talk:The Uncut Story Of Mewtwo's Origin. --Abcd (talk) 11:02, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

The information about Philip Bartlett voicing Dr. Fuji had already been added to Dr. Fuji and List of English voice actors; this page was missed and I've fixed it here too. Eric Stuart voicing Dr. Fuji in The Uncut Story Of Mewtwo's Origin is playing it by ear though, which we don't do, although it would probably be useful to note that it wasn't Philip Bartlett. --SnorlaxMonster 11:34, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Well, I am not an English native speaker so I think it would be pointless for me trying to guess by ear whether it was Philip Bartlett or not, but if you say it wasn't him, then we have a proof the short was dubbed later. By the way, of all the USA version of this movie (theatrical, VHS, DVD, TV airings) do we know which ones omitted the prologue and which one used the first two minutes of it? --Abcd (talk) 11:43, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't saying I had listened to it and that it wasn't him. I was under the impression we knew that. If we don't, then don't note it. As far as I know, all of the English airings include the 2-minute prologue, and none of them include The Uncut Story of Mewtwo's Origin. To my knowledge, in English The Uncut Story of Mewtwo's Origin was only included as a special feature on the Mewtwo Returns DVD. --SnorlaxMonster 12:11, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

I guess there was a misunderstanding then: I don't know if it was Goede/Bartlett, Stuart or someone else, I just thought it was a good idea to report here that according to the person who solved the "Bartlett is Goede" mystery the VA in the short is Stuart. When you say "As far as I know, all of the English airings include the 2-minute prologue", are you referring to the TV airings only, or also the theatrical version and home video releases? I noticed that both the VHS and DVD covers list "The Story of Mewtwo's Origin", so those two minutes were present in home video releases, but I guess that the VHS added it at the beginning of the movie and the DVD included it in some sort of special features sections, explaining why the versions of the movie that occasionly pop out in the web don't have it, since they are most likely taken from the DVD. As for the tv versions, I don't find it hard to believe those two minutes are there, since they were there when the movie aired on Italian tv, and the Italian movie is based on the 4Kids version. Last but not least, the theatrical version: I guess in this case those two minutes weren't there, since I found out that in the VHS they used footage from "Porfessor Oak's Lecture: Alakazam" and dubbed it so that Oak says "It begins with exclusive never-before-seen footage that tells the tale of the origin of Mewtwo. It's quite special if I do say so myself". Anyway, the fact that in the dub Mewtwo says "This...this is not the same. Was everything before...just a dream?" makes me think that "everything before" refers to what happened in the ten minutes short, and it is worth mentioning that in the first two minutes of the short the dub has Fuji say "I, of course, want something more. Much more" and "Perhaps then I can unlock the secrets to restoring life itself", so it is hard to believe those two minutes were dubbed before the rest.--Abcd (talk) 12:35, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

USA Release date

The article says the movie was released in North America on November 12, 1999, but Wikipedia says November 10, 1999, and from a quick Google search it seems the release date was anticipated by two days at the last minute. --Abcd (talk) 14:56, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

No answers? Strange. Anyway, I'm changing November 12 with November 10. --Abcd (talk) 17:41, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Prologue created after the seizure incident?

So the three Mewtwo episodes which tie-in with the movie were supposed to air before the movie's premiere had the seizure incident not happened, and according to Takeshi Shudo the ten-minute original prologue was added after the incident. This puzzles me: if the movie aired without a prologue, how would have viewers explained Mewtwo's scenes in those episodes? Nothing in the movie minus the prologue explains the relashionship between Mewtwo and Giovanni, except for a generic "I thought of working with humans once. But I was disappointed" (which btw became "You humans are a dangerous species. You brought me into your world with no purpose but to be your slave" in the dub): no explanations for how Mewtwo and Giovanni met and decided to work together, no explanations for why he had an armor, no explanations for why he decided tho blow up Giovanni's headquarters and escape from him. What do you think? --Abcd (talk) 16:09, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I think this discussion has no merits regarding improving this page, so should be taken to the forums. glik^glak 17:38, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

No merits? Why? I expanded the trivia about the connection between the movie and the episodes, and I would like to expand them even further with more info (like the fact that according to Shudo there shouldn't have been a prologue in the initial plans) but I like to get my facts straight before adding them into the article. --Abcd (talk) 17:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

You didn't call for any more information, you asked what people believe would've happened. Unless there's more information on the three episodes or the prologue, there's really nothing to do but speculate. glik^glak 18:44, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I thought it was obvious I was asking for information, but it is good to see that sometimes people read my messages. Anyway, I am going to edit the page with the available info. --Abcd (talk) 22:38, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

I removed the bit about not knowing if anything was edited, as there's a possiblity neither needed to be. The episodes wouldn't need to explain Mewtwo and Giovanni's relationship, only suggest that there was one for the distrusting humans line to have some context. For all we know, the radio drama was intended to be the only source of explanation and neither the movie nor the episodes were edited. If we're not even certain that one of them was supposed to explain their relationship, saying we don't know if either was edited doesn't make much sense. glik^glak 18:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Good point about the radio drama, but do you think it was written before the Porygon incident in December 1998? According to Dogasu "he [Shudo] wrote the plot of the radio drama after finishing work on the script for Mewtwo Strikes Back", but it is not clear how much after it was. If the episodes were produced/in production before the incident while neither the radio drama nor the prologue were supposed to exist (for the latter I am not sure), then it seems a stretch to assume that viewers were not going to have an explanation for things like how Mewtwo and Giovanni worked together, why Mewtwo had an armor, why Mewtwo escaped etc. If only someone could translate Shudo's blog entries... --Abcd (talk) 18:32, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Name and translation of the name to other languages.

I have noticed that there seems to be no continuity to the names in different languages as when in english 'Pokémon the First Movie - Mewtwo Strikes Back' But in other languages such as Danish it say Pokémon Filmen: Mewtwo Mod Mew (Pokémon the Movie: Mewtwo against mew) but in swedish only Pokémon - filmen (Pokémon - The movie). Now, in languages like russian It says Покемон: Фильм первый – Мьюту наносит ответный удар (Pokémon the first movie: Mewtwo strikes back) while you could just as likely write Покемон: Мьюту против Мью (Pokémon: Mewtwo versus Mew) So I wonder if there is several different names for this movie which one should be used? Pokémon The first movie Mewtwo strikes back or Pokémon mewtwo vs mew?

"Mewtwo vs Mew" is just part of the tagline, but it may be confused for the subtitle because "Mewtwo Strikes Back" is not included in the cover. Titles which include "Mewtwo vs Mew" should be corrected. --Abcd (talk) 16:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Machamp coming out of its Poké Ball twice

In the Italian version (at least, the one I videotaped from the 2004 TV airing) showed Machamp coming out of its Poké Ball only one. Since the Italian version is based on the American version, I guess there was an American version without this mistake way before the recent digitally remastered version. --Abcd (talk) 07:06, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Music in the Blu-Ray reissue

Will the pop music that appeared in the original release have been relicensed for Viz Video's upcoming home video release? Because Pokémon would have to pay the record labels a good chunk of money. FalafelC (talk) 22:09, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Trivia worthy?

Is it trivia worthy to note that Pigeotto is the only one of Ash's Pokémon not to be in this movie at all? - unsigned comment from AkaShika (talk • contribs)

I suppose. Guess that means it's one of four Pokémon to not be cloned.Pikatwig (talk) 21:48, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

The Original Trailer

The earliest known trailer for this movie had scenes not featured in it, and indicates (based off translations) that indicates both the movie and the anime were going to be very different. Pikatwig (talk) 21:36, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Charizard Trivia

I removed the following trivia point from the trivia section on the grounds that there's no canon indication that it applies to Charizard (the only evidence of which I'm aware is explicitly about Charmander and says nothing about the rest of the line).

• Despite numerous mentions that Charizard and its pre-evolved forms will die if the flame on their tail goes out, Charizardtwo was submerged in liquid with no visible flame while in their incubation chambers.

Force Fire re-added it, citing the episode Charizard Chills as proof; however, I just watched the entire episode and nothing of the sort was said. That said, what I watched was the dub - I don't speak any Japanese, and watching a subtitled version leaves a lot of room for error or creativity, so I can't confirm that the original version didn't say this.

In either case, there's an edit to be made somewhere - if the original says anything about it that the dub doesn't, mention of it should be added to the Dub Edits section of the EP105 page, because that page currently also doesn't say anything supporting this claim; if not, the trivia here needs to be removed again, because I maintain that it's kind of ridiculous to have a trivia piece pointing out a contradiction between actual canon and a fan idea as if it's a continuity error.

Can anyone confirm this one way or the other? EpicDeino (talk) 16:32, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

There were plenty of moments in that episode that implied Charizard's flame is important and is used to show its health state.

• Its flame almost getting hit by Poliwrath's Water Gun
• The tip of Charizard's tail being the only part of it not frozen.
• The flame becoming very small when it was unhealthy.
• Charizard panicking when it saw its tail.
• The flame becoming big again when Charizard was healthy again.

--ForceFire 17:25, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Uh... no? None of those things remotely prove that Charizard dies if its flame goes out.

First of all, your first two points mean absolutely nothing. Nobody even hinted that either of them was important, let alone addressed their meaning. It was never even "implied" to be deliberate on Tad's part, nor within Charizard's control, that its tail wasn't frozen or that the Water Gun missed. Or on the other hand, are you saying the fact that Poliwrath trying to go for the tail is evidence? Because if you're trying to argue that the flame going out ends Charizard's life, saying that it's a weak point that Tad tried to douse in a casual battle - with no intention of killing Charizard, with nobody trying to intervene and with nobody saying afterwards that that could kill Charizard - is not helping your case, nor, indeed, suggesting that it's anything serious at all.

For the remaining three, it's equally implicit in Charizard's Pokédex entries that its flame is an indication of either its body temperature (when it's breathing fire of a high temperature, its flame's size increases) or its emotions (its fire becomes white-hot when it's angry), and under the circumstances that it was both humiliated and literally freezing, either one of those is "supported" by those same three points.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying either of those alternatives is true, I'm not saying that either one of them would be worthy of being treated as absolute fact where this isn't, and I'm not trying to disprove your fan theory. What I AM saying is that none of them are absolute fact. What you seem to think is the only explanation is actually a complete assumption, backed up by no more evidence than either of the alternatives I've raised, which means it's not confirmed. You can keep subscribing to the theory that it dies if its tail goes out if you want, but that you subscribe to a theory does not make it canon. It hasn't been proven nearly well enough that it deserves to be brought up not only in spite but because of a scene in the movie that contradicts it. EpicDeino (talk) 19:07, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Regardless of it not being explicitly stated, the episode clearly put heavy focus on its tail and how it is related to its well being. Sure it wasn't confirmed that it would have died, but it was at least hinted that it was important to keep the flame lit.--ForceFire 04:04, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

So say "despite hints that it is important to keep Charizard's flame lit," not "despite numerous mentions that Charizard and its pre-evolved forms will die if the flame on their tail goes out."

Or, again, don't include it at all, because it's just ridiculous to take "it was at least hinted that it was important" to be worthy of pitting against explicit demonstration that it does not die as though there's a contradiction. There are, as I said, other ways of interpreting the significance of the tail - speculation based on being "at least hinted that it was important" would absolutely not fly on any other page, and it especially wouldn't merit being pointed out because it's a direct contradiction with a scene disproving it, so why are you acting like it's good enough here?

Your evidence is undeniably flimsy and does nothing to justify the trivia point you're trying to add. I would be hesitant enough to make a claim like that at all with so many other interpretations of the "evidence," but going out of your way to include it as an internal inconsistency and not even just as something that had yet to be disproven demands more than for it to have been "at least hinted that it was important." EpicDeino (talk) 22:12, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Trailer trivia?

I notice at one point in the past that the trailer was mentioned and a user at the time removed it. I consulted with an admin recently on the Bulbapedia discord about adding the trivia and they were fine with it being added. Is it possible to know the reason why it has been removed a second time despite the trailer being notable? It seems odd that trailer trivia for M02 was left alone but trailer trivia for this movie has been removed once again without reason. Frozen Fennec 09:04, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

You'd probably be better off asking the person directly, but it was put back. --Spriteit (talk) 08:09, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Machamp being sent out twice

Was this present in the Japanese version too, or just in the dub? Just speculating here, but this might not be an error. I think it was deliberate, albeit poorly executed. I think the idea is that we first see Machamp coming out of his Poke Ball as if in realtime. Then it immediately cuts to a clip of the livestream that Mewtwo is watching--and what Mewtwo sees is Machamp coming out of the Poke Ball. (Remember, Mewtwo's Fearow has that camera attached to its neck, and Mewtwo is watching Ash's battle remotely.) The problem is, the animators used the exact same footage twice so it's not very obvious what's going on. Just looks like a mistake. But I think the mistake is in the fact that they forgot to add the CRT scanline effect the second time, not in the fact that they show the clip twice. D (talk) 22:11, 12 October 2021 (UTC)