Talk:Oricorio (Pokémon)

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About the different forms: Wouldn't Rotom's way of showing forms work? (I got ninja'd by admin blocking the article from being edited. :p) Eridanus (talk) 14:33, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

It's temporary, it's only defaulted like that just to get the article out.--ForceFire 14:37, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Eridanus (talk) 14:42, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

The Dance's the form's are based on

Okay, so, the style of dance's of the forms are based on:

Pom-Pom Style = Cheer leader, Pa'u Style = Hula, Sensu Style = The Dance Geisha practice and perform. (I dunno what it's currently called, but i know it's related to that, given how it's feathers look like a Geisha hair piece.),

But I can't figure out what Baile Style is. Is it Flamenco? Tango? or Salsa? They all have similar red and black dresses, which make it hard to figure out. --Atlantahammy (talk) 20:03, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I would guess flamenco. The artwork strongly resembles a flamenco pose. Plus, it takes two to tango and all the other dances are largely solo (cheerleader is arguable, but we'll ignore it for my case), and salsa is the same. (Although, salsa would be funny, because salsa as a food is often spicy and it's a fire-type... no? okay) Nutter Butter (talk) 21:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
It would seem you are right! I just googled it and apparently Flamenco even has a type of dance called "Baile" Man now I feel a lil' dumb xD --Atlantahammy (talk) 21:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Possible Real-World Inspiration

Oricorio appears to be based on the birds-of-paradise of Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, and eastern Australia. These birds are all close relatives, but because of their island habitat, they've evolved to have wildly diverse appearances and mating rituals (which often include dancing). This segment from BBC's Planet Earth describes them pretty well. Co-nl-on (talk) 21:26, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

It could also take some inspiration from honeycreepers, as they live in Hawaii, which Alola is based on, have curved beaks, like Oricorio, and they have variations based on what island they are on, just like Oricorio. Logo7 (talk) 21:52, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I would think that the fact that Oricorio changes forms by drinking the nectar of flowers to also indicate that it's based on honeycreepers, for they too drink nectar. Plus, certain species of honeycreepers have very similar color schemes to Oricorio.Nintendo101 (talk) 23:48, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Name origin

I’ve taken it upon myself to investigate the naming of the latest batch of Pokémon, and I think I’ve come up with something! Starting with Oricorio, its Japanese name “Odoridori” derives from “odori” – a traditional Japanese dance – and irodori (彩り) – the Japanese word for “color”.

“Oricorio” seems to also derive from “irodori” at least partially, but the “corio” part sounds similar to the pronunciation for “choreography”, a sequence of steps to dancing. It is the “choreo” portion of the word that specifically means “dance”, deriving from the Greek word “khoros”.

If anyone seems to agree with me or has additional suggestions, feel free to bring them up! Nintendo101 (talk) 23:37, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Just gonna put this one out there, but did no one think of "oratorio" as a possible root word? I don't even give a Schif (TalkContribs) 17:19, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Oricorio's styles in Russian

Baile Style: Бальный стиль Bal'nyy stil'

Pom-Pom Style: Стиль Пом-Пом Stil' Pom-Pom

Pa'u Style: Стиль Пау Stil' Pau

Sensu Style: Чувственный стиль Chuvstvennyy stil'

could someone on in the staff please add this? --Raltseye prata med mej 09:50, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Added. --Abcboy (talk) 10:02, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Fixing the Pa'u etymology description

Pāʻū is not the Hawaiian word for a Grass Skirt, it is a term for any sort of skirt worn during Hula, whether it is Grass, Ti leaves, or even modern cotton skirts. Oricorio's pāʻū design more resembles Lā‘ī (Cordyline fruticosa), not grass.—Naui (talk) 18:51, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Grass skirts don't have to be made of "grass", per se. I'm not sure if you know Hawaiian well, but after looking into it a bit more closely, I believe that the word, all by itself, primarily just refers to any kind of skirt, so I've simply generalized it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 19:06, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm fluent in Hawaiian and have been since I was little. Technically pāʻū can be used for the word skirt in general. However, from a Hawaiian cultural and hula standpoint, it is used more to signify the skirts worn during hula. Palekoki is more the generic word for any kind of skirt.—Naui (talk) 20:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
Alright then. I've tried to point up that significance then. Tiddlywinks (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Polish names of styles

  • Styl Baile
  • Styl Pomponowy
  • Styl Pa’u
  • Styl Sensu

Could someone in the staff please add this? Source is here --Raltseye prata med mej 12:13, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Kāmaʻo

is it possible there may be some inspiration from the now extinct Kāmaʻo? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C4%81ma%CA%BBo Yamitora1 (talk) 10:14, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Unlikely; for one, Oricorio is known for drinking nectar, which the Kāmaʻo did not do (like typical thrushes, it mostly ate insects and fruit). Hawaii has dozens of endemic bird species; in fact over 40 just in the Hawaiian honeycreeper subfamily, which are known for drinking flower nectar like Oricorio does, and look a lot more like one of its forms. I think either the ʻApapane or 'I'iwi are likely inspirations for the Baile style, for instance. Masternachos (talk) 17:48, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Dutch variations names

Could someone add Oricorio's Dutch names for its forms

Baile Style = Baile-stijl
Pom-Pom Style = Pom-Pom-stijl
Pa'u Style = Pa'u-stijl
Sensu Style = Sensu-stijl

Source: here--Raltseye prata med mej 13:30, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Evolution

It was pointed out on Talk:Type: Null (Pokémon) that Oricorio's page says it is not known to evolve into or from any Pokémon, even though we aren't supposed to list that on prerelease Pokémon. Admin? Nutter Butter (talk) 19:48, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Will an admin please remove that sentence, explain why it is necessary, or unlock the page so that I can do it for them if they don't have time? Nutter Butter (talk) 15:48, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
I don't know what's wrong with it at all. AFAIK it's a true statement. Tiddlywinks (talk) 15:52, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
In that case, can that statement please be added to Komala, Pikipek, Tapu Koko, Drampa, Bruxish, Togedemaru, Salandit, Mimikyu, Wimpod, Comfey, Pyukumuku, Morelull, Turtonator, Crabrawler, Passimian, and Oranguru? Nutter Butter (talk) 16:02, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
That's a lot of names you've thrown out, and at this pre-release stage, I don't (personally) think it's really worth bothering with. It's not a problem that the sentence is here; nor is it a problem that it's not on those pages. When the games come out, everything will be edited exactly as it should be. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:10, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
I like consistency. But I suppose that makes sense too. Nutter Butter (talk) 16:14, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Form order

Is there a reason we're listing the forms in a different order than how they're encounterable in-game? Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

It's the order used in the internal data and on the official sites. --Abcboy (talk) 21:22, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Ah! Makes sense. Then, since it's slightly obscure to figure out without already knowing, would it be worth noting somewhere (Biology? Game locations?) which island each form can be natively found on? As far as I can tell, as things stand currently, one has to go to the Nectar page (and then follow the links to each individual location page, if the reader hasn't memorized which locations are on which island), which is a bit overcomplicated for a very simple piece of information. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:55, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
I think the Pokedex actually shows them in the island order. I'm not 100% sure because I'm currently missing the Poni form. Tiddlywinks (talk) 05:58, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
^ Correct, the Alolan Pokedex lists their forms from left to right as Pom-Pom, Pa'u, Baile, and Sensu. --Stratelier 04:03, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't we prioritize pokedex order, in game, over internal data used on the website? --Celadonkey 12:49, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
It's also in the existing order in the games' internal data. --Abcboy (talk) 16:02, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
I've heard a few times before, including from staff members, that in game code and internal data is lowest priority, and that in game dialogue and such take priority. But whatever, it doesn't really matter. --Celadonkey 18:02, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Trivia

I would like to point out that Sensu Style Oricorio is the only style that does not shar eit's primary typing with the guaridan deity of the island it is found in. Is this notable? Sirspykerks (talk) 03:04, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Baile Style doesn't match its deity, either. (since there's no Fire-type tapu) TechSkylander1518 (talk) 03:08, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I forgot aobut it. Sorry! Sirspykerks (talk) 03:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
It's not a problem at all, I personally think that's a pretty interesting fact, I'm glad you pointed it out! (I removed because I wasn't sure a split like that suits the trivia standards here-they're a little restrictive-but I am in no way the final say on anything, so it's not a sure thing!) TechSkylander1518 (talk) 03:13, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Is it worth noting that they do all match the colour of their islands deity? (And yes, Tapu Bulu counts as red in the pokedex) BobBot321 (talk) 13:45, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
It's all about the island's color, really. Tiddlywinks (talk) 14:30, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

How do I add Thousand Arrows to that Iron Ball/Gravity/Smack Down note?

If Gravity is in effect, this Pokémon is given an Iron Ball or a Ring Target, or it is affected by Smack Down or Ingrain, the effectiveness of  Ground-type  moves is 2×.

I want to add Thousand Arrows to this, but I can't because the text isn't actually in the article. I see newground=1, but I'm still not sure what to do. Unowninator (talk) 05:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Template:TypeEffectiveness is locked, so you'll have to ask a staff member to do it. But instead of having them add it, it's probably better to have them change the whole thing to just "If this Pokémon is grounded, the effectiveness of Ground-type moves is 2x", or something like that. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 05:31, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Pumpkinking. Though I think I'll wait a bit & see if they see this before asking them though. Unowninator (talk) 05:39, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Well, I asked SnorlaxMaster. Now let's just wait & see what happens. Unowninator (talk) 18:07, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Oricorio Baile Style

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Is it ok to use this picture of Oricorio Baile Style for the anime? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 20:51, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Image

I think this Pokemon lacks image "File:741Oricorio.png" which would show all the forms similar to Pyroar.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 17:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)