User talk:Atrius97

Welcome to Bulbapedia, Atrius97!

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here!   GrammarFreak01 (talk) 08:24, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --Landfish7 06:47, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Understood, I was using the preview option, but I would often receive an error when trying to preview, or when I went to submit my changes, causing me to lose my progress. Apologies if it accidentally submitted multiple times, I'll be backing up my progress and trying to submit only once per edit until the backend issues on Bulbapedia are resolved. Atrius97 (talk) 15:15, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Again, please try to remember to use the preview button. Making too many edits in a short period of time can stress the server. Thank you. Landfish7 18:13, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

I am aware, I was making edits to more than one section of a page, and the edits made were updating the page as new information became available from active tests that were being performed on the mechanic in question, tests which took place over the course of several hours. I was not intentionally clogging the recent changes with "random, needlessly small updates" these edits were already the result of waiting for a given set of tests to be completed before adding new information, but I will make an effort to further consolidate updates going forward. Atrius97 (talk) 22:23, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

If you read my initial message, it says that you can edit multiple sections of a page by clicking "edit this page" at the top.

And there's no need to rush to add in new information. In the future, I'd suggest waiting for the wave of updates to complete and then add them in. If the updates span multiple days and you just can't wait, I'd suggest trying to make no more than 1 or 2 edits each day if possible. Alternatively, you can work on an update and copy and save the wikitext to Notepad on your PC, and then copy it back over when you're ready to work on it again. Hope this helps. Landfish7 23:27, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Your comment on my talk page

Please remember the code of conduct. Leaving a snarky comment on my page about how I changed my mind and had to undo an edit just because you're mad that I reminded you to use the preview button is not nice or necessary. There is a difference between undoing a few of your own edits and making 9 edits within 3 hours to a single page like you did the other day. We all make mistakes and end up having to make a few more edits than necessary every now and then, and I have no problem with discussing my edits in good faith, but there's no reason to be rude. Landfish7 06:01, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that making edits to 4 separate pages and then reverting all of those edits approximately 25 minutes later for a total of 8 edits in 50 minutes is unnecessary, when one could have simply paused for a moment to about whether those changes were needed instead. I'm not emotionally involved in the situation. If you feel the need to lecture other users about making hasty changes, then please set a better example with your own editing behavior. Atrius97 (talk) 06:26, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Splitting what could have been 4 edits into 8 is not the same as splitting what could have been 1 edit into 9. Yes, I could have taken more time and thought about my edits, but, as I just said, we all make mistakes and end up having to make a few more edits than necessary every now and then. But I was not "lecturing" you. I gave you good faith advice about how to reduce the number of edits you make. You didn't give me advice, you just wanted to make a point. Letting a user know your concerns about their edits, or giving advice about how to improve their edits is normal and encouraged. But the code of conduct states: "Do not use insults, demanding language, or harassment to make a point or advance an argument." Landfish7 06:50, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

I apologize if I came off as snarky, but be aware that "good faith advice" can come off as hypocritical when one is given that advice on their talk page from another user, then goes out of their way to copypaste that advice to others, while still actively showing behavior contrary to that advice. Context is important. Atrius97 (talk) 07:20, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

The Preview button template is a standard warning template created as an easy way to introduce new users to the preview button. It is encouraged to help new users learn what the preview button is and why it is important. I received a warning because I had made 8 edits to a single page. I have been an editor on this wiki since 2009 and I don't typically do something like that, and I had not received a warning about it in 13 years. I explained my edits and we both moved on. I didn't start scrutinizing that user's edits and come harrass them any time they also made a mistake. I am allowed, encouraged, and will continue to remind new users about the preview button while being mindful myself of my own edits. I will mess up. I am human. Have some grace. Please feel free to share your concerns with my edits and I will be happy to discuss them. But please be nice about it. Landfish7 07:44, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Yo

Okay, so about that Wurmple evolution thing.

Just because Goomy can evolve into two different form of Sliggoo doesn't really mean that it has branched evolutions. Regardless of what form Goomy evolves into (whether its Kalosian Sliggoo or Hisuian Sliggoo), it always evolves into the same Pokémon: Sliggoo. So Wurmple is the only Pokémon with branched evolutions that can both evolve.Eternium-Z (talk) 21:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Except that's not the definition of a Pokémon with branched evolutions. If you look at the List of Pokémon with branched evolutions page, there are multiple examples where a Pokemon can evolve into two different forms of the same species. Unless you would like to gut that page and remove any Pokemon that "has branched evolutionary path that leads to two forms of the same species" to retroactively change the definition, that trivia remains false. Atrius97 (talk) 22:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Can we at least state that they are both the only Pokémon with this trait?Eternium-Z (talk) 07:54, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

If that were true, it wouldn't be unique and therefore it would not be notable as trivia, and it is already noted on the List of Pokémon with branched evolutions page. Landfish7 08:10, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Redirect links

Please avoid making redirect links. For example: instead of [[gift|gifted]], write {{pkmn2|gift}}ed, and instead of [[Shiny]], write {{Shiny}}. Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:02, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Noted, I will try to remember and use that style going forward. Atrius97 (talk) 09:58, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Much appreciated. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and I believe the asterisks (*) on your Shinylock notes are unnecessary. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:14, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Most of the time I've been mimicking the style and formatting I had found on other pages/the page I'm working on, so apologies if I've accidentally propagated something that doesn't quite fit the style, I can go back and fix them up as I find them. Atrius97 (talk) 11:26, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Redlinks

Not all red links are evil. It's okay to have red links to articles we would actually want.--ForceFire 08:32, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Noted, I just thought it would be better to link to where information about that feature currently resides. As it stands, the Walking Pokémon page does contain everything written about "Let's Go" at the moment. I'm not sure if it's own page would be required if the Walking Pokémon section was expanded with more info, nor an "Auto Battle" page if that information is included as well. Atrius97 (talk) 18:21, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Tera Raid Bosses

Are you going to complete the list of Tera Raid Bosses? If not, where can I find the needed information? CrazyPikmin (talk) 08:31, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

I will eventually, but if you feel the urge, the raid encounter tables can be dumped using a tool like pkNX. Some other fan sites already used that method to obtain the data and organized it into encounter tables, such as Serebii, but if you're not using a direct source/other fansite, you should cross reference multiple sources and/or confirm ingame. Atrius97 (talk) 00:27, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

Side Series Table

Hi! I noticed you made some changes to the side series page's table. The same table exists on the Pokemon games page as well, displaying the same information, and all of those edits probably have to copied to the Pokemon games side series table. (Excluding the Pokewalker's inclusion. I think it's disputed on if it is a game, and if it isn't a game then it's obviously not a side series game, which is why another user removed it from the Pokemon games side series table.)

Should I copy over the changes you made from the side series page to the Pokemon games page or would you rather do the honors? Salmancer (talk) 14:10, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I think it's fair to copy the entire table to the other page, Pokéwalker included, and you're welcome to. If I understand correctly, it was finally agreed upon to add the Pokéwalker to that category which is why it appears there, although I'm not 100% sure where that discussion/decision took place. Atrius97 (talk) 01:50, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there was a discussion. My understanding of what happened, with the caveat that there may be an even older talk page involved, is that one user put Pokewalker in the side series template (Template talk:Side series) to no dissenting opinion, and then it just stayed that way for three years. So when I put Pokewalker up on the side series table on the main games page, which has higher visibility than a template talk page, it wound up reverted by a staff member. (They did not revert the identical change I made to the table on the side series page, probably because it is less visible than the main game page) I'm currently waiting on an answer, which is especially important because staff opinion is involved. Until then, I'm stuck assuming dispute. For now, I think I should wait 2 more days for a response, then copy over the table if nothing happens. Salmancer (talk) 02:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I think that's a fair judgement. I would also look through the relevant talk pages if you haven't already to see if any staff made a determination one way or the other, and check the talk pages for users that did the reverting in the past to see if it was discussed there. It may also be productive to bring it up on the Bulbapedia Discord server, as many of the editors discuss things there as well. Atrius97 (talk) 08:25, 17 January 2024 (UTC)