User talk:TBR2001

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here!   BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 15:59, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Pokemon Page links

When posting links to pages for individual Pokémon, please use {{p| instead of [[--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 21:17, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I thought I did put the {{p| when I did those edits --TBR2001 (talk) 00:26, 17 October 2022 (UTC)TBR2001) 00:22, 17 October 2022 (UTC))

Redirect links

Please be aware that "Sync Move" is a redirect link. The correct name of the article is "Sync move", with both words written in lowercase if not at the start of a sentence. Thank you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:32, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting me, I already fix my mistake. --TBR2001 (talk) 03:30, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

The Preview Button

Instead of editing a page several times in a row, try using the preview button to make sure your edit looks the way you want it to. It's right next to the Save Page button. Please try it out, so as not to clog up the Recent Changes. Also, if you want to edit multiple sections of the page, make sure that you click "edit this page" at the top of the page rather than editing it by section. Thanks! --Landfish7 22:35, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I always use the Preview Button, but sometimes I make dumb mistakes that I don't notice until I save the change, and I know I can fix it immediately so I just go back and edit it. I always feel guilty about it because I know I'm clogging up the Recent Changes. Thanks for telling me about the "edit this page", I knew there was some way I could edit the page instead of doing it one section at a time, but I guess I wasn't looking at the right place. Also sorry for some repetitive edits I'm currently doing. I'm just cross-referencing, and the way I'm doing it is going by one page at a time instead of one character at a time because it's easier for me to keep track.--TBR2001 (talk) 23:12, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

No worries. I've been there. As long as it's not excessive and like you're not listening or trying, there's no need to worry. Have a good day! Landfish7 06:17, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Masters origins

Hi, it's come to my attention that your additions to the origins of Masters characters are getting excessive and overly detailed. There's no need to mention irrelevant information like a Pokemon legendary/mythical status or going overboard with trying to justify an origin. Simple is best.--ForceFire 12:43, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about that, but none of you deleted it so I thought I might as well be consistent when it came to editing the origin stuff. If you were curious I only limited myself to the Player Characters, and Rivals, with the only exception being Giovani because someone mentioned that he controlled Mewtwo in the movie. If I did it with everyone I would have driven myself crazy. As for the Pokemon legendary/mythical status stuff, I noticed some of the characters had it in their origin, and thought I might as well be consistent because no one deleted it. So I thought that no one added it or had the time to edit it in the others, so I decided to do it myself. One person tried to stop me, but by that time I only had one page left to edit the "missing" stuff. Sorry about that.

I know another user is already deleting some of the origin stuff I added, but I want to know what is considered excessive. Like I get listing all of the adaptations that have Red with Pikachu would be considered excessive, but what about stuff like Dawn's Cresselia? I don't think most people know that she temporarily had one in Pokémon Adventures, so I feel like that one is an actual connection. I acknowledge there is a difference between Plantuim temporarily owning Cresselia, compared to Serena temporarily commanding Ash's Frogadier, so I need to know what the line is. Like is Sapphire owning Wailord considered a connection to May owning Wailmer in Masters, or not because she never owns Wailmer? Or what if they gave Nate Samurott, do I reference Blake because he owns Dewott, or not because Blake never owns Samurott? Is referencing other anime like Pokemon Generations or Evolution, okay, or is it only for the main anime? Is referencing Pokemon Adventures okay, or are all manga considered obscure? Or is this something I should discuss with the other user? Anyway, sorry for the excessive and overly detailed stuff I added, but I'm a guy who likes things to be consistent, that's why I didn't want to exclude one manga or anime because others had it in their origin section. Plus I thought it would have given some fans who only know limited stuff about the Pokemon series the chance to explore other stuff in the Pokemon franchise. --TBR2001 (talk) 22:51, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Something is excessive when it's over explained. There's no need to go into detail about how a legendary is from the same generation as a character or a starter is from the same region as a character. As for manga connections, I think they're unnecessary if the game character also has that Pokemon in their teams in a game. The games connection is enough.--ForceFire 06:06, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Adding new Trivia

You've been adding lots of new trivia on Masters pages recently, usually worded as "This character is the first to have this feature". Note that just being first is not notable, so statements like "First Sygna Suit", "First Sygna Suit with Max Move", "First Sygna Suit with a Legendary", and so on are not generally notable. Someone has to be first in everything, but it doesn't have to be noted in Trivia section, like Pokémon don't have "First Electric-type Legendary" noted anywhere. If you could remove all non-unique cases you added and reword unique ones to "The only ...", it would be appreciated.

Now, this one is subjective, but even if a character has unique qualities, it doesn't always belong in the trivia. For example, "Morty & Ho-Oh are the only Sygna Suit sync pair with the Gym Leader theme skill, despite Morty not being the first Gym Leader who received a Sygna Suit" has two random factors thrown in together. Sure, it's true, but it's not anything important, not even trivia-level important. Like "Zekrom is the only Dragon/Electric Legendary" is true but not important enough to be noted anywhere - it's just a random quality of a Legendary Pokémon that happens to be unique. I'm sure lots of new trivia can be created by combing through Theme Skills, typings, categories, but once again, before adding new Trivia, ask yourself - do people want to know this? Is it interesting?

Also, per Manual of style: "Only link to an article once within a given portion of text; if you say "Ash" more than once in a paragraph, only link it the first time". You seemed to link articles more than once in a short amount of text, so take note in the future. Itan (talk) 19:59, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about the Trivia thing, I only added those because the Sygna Suit Trivia was looking really lackluster, and I notice some patterns, like first to Mega Evolve, Z-Move, Dynamax, etc. So I thought I could add those to the main Sygna Suit page, but then I notice that some have trivia on some of the Sygna Suit characters, like "Morty & Ho-Oh are the only Sygna Suit sync pair with the Gym Leader theme skill, despite Morty not being the first Gym Leader who received a Sygna Suit", and I was like "I guess I add stuff like that because someone wrote it in and it wasn't taken out, which means it's noteworthy" which then lead me to a big rabbit hole. I too thought it was too excessive, but I didn't know what was notable and what wasn't, so I just added everything. I was only going to add to the Sygna Suit page but I saw stuff like "first..." on some of the Sygna Suit characters pages, and thought "I might as well be consistent". If you were curious, I only limited myself to Shiny, Legendaries, and Mythical, and any combinations of those for the first Pokémon.

As for the Manual of style stuff, the only reason I even added as many as I did was that I saw double links on almost every page I visited, so I thought "Well that is a little excessive, but there must be a reason they did it like this, so I might as well be consistent while I edit these pages" I ironically didn't want to upset anyone so I just added links to be consistent. I notice patterns like whoever added these links didn't usually do it the same way twice, for example.

Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon

Pokémon Ultra Sun

Pokémon Ultra Moon

Pokémon Sun, Moon Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon

So I thought it was some rule, no matter how excessive it got you have to add the links, and due to the number of double links in the character pages, I didn't want to go through every character to remove them.

Sorry for causing you guys trouble, you could have just told me and I would have undone it myself so you guys didn't have to undo all of my mistakes. --TBR2001 (talk) 21:36, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, most of the Trivia you added is still there, so you can correct it yourself if you want. As for links, a different name doesn't matter much if they lead to the same page.

Perhaps reading Bulbapedia policies and guidelines again would make it easier to spot do/don't. You can also ask other people for opinions when adding trivia - for example, in Bulbagarden Discord server. Itan (talk) 05:39, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Dawn and Lucas

The way I see it, Crystal's arc in Adventures heavily revolved around Suicune, whilst Diamond only briefly rode on Dialga and Platinum borrowed Cresselia. Neither of them bonded with them in a way similar to how Crystal bonded with Suicune during her arc. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 20:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

I can understand that, but Diamond and Platinum are the only versions of Dawn and Lucas that have any connections to Cresselia and Dialga. If other versions of Dawn and Lucas had a stronger history with Cresselia and Dialga, then I would let it go, but even I didn't know the Sync Pairs could be a possible reference to Diamond and Platinum. Plus it wouldn't be true if you put "Dawn is not seen owning or associated with Cresselia outside this game", because at least one version of Dawn had Cresselia albeit borrowed. We know that Pokemon Masters likes to pull from all canons, so I don't think it's that hard to believe that Dawn and Lucas with Cresselia and Dialga can't be considered possible references to their Pokemon Adventures counterparts. Plus isn't trivia something for readers to learn an interesting fact? When reading the trivia reader should be "Oh cool, I didn't know this might be a possible reference to Pokemon Adventures" or "Wow, I didn't know that Dawn befriend Cresselia in Pokemon Adventures"

My viewpoint on Triva when regarding "Origins" is if there is a small connection to a version of those characters that has or is associated with that Pokemon, then put it in trivia. Before I would put every connection, but you people noted how long and bloated that made the trivia, which I agree with. I now try not to go too obscure and only do so when it is of note, like Pikachu's Gigantamax card which had Red on it before Red was Sync Paired with G-Max Pikachu. I also wouldn't put references beyond a character owning the Pokemon in the anime and Adventures, unless they don't have any association with the Pokemon in the main anime and Adventures. This is why I referenced Hilbert having an Oshawott in Pocket Monsters BW: Meetings with the Legends, as that is the only time a version of Hilbert is associated with Oshawott.

If you want to delete or keep the Trivia, I will respect your decision, I just want you to understand why I want to keep it. I'm just the type of person that likes consistency. Why should Kris get to keep her connection with Pokemon Adventures, but not Dawn and Lucas, despite all of them not owing the Pokemon? If it's only because Crystal has a stronger history with Suicune, I can understand, but I would rather keep the piece of trivia. --TBR2001 (talk) 21:48, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Battle appearances & Daily Type Rotation

Hey! Just dropping in to say thank you so much for creating Battle appearances headers for all the Masters characters and keeping the availability sections up-to-date for the trainers who appeared in Daily Type Rotation. It's really making my job a lot easier as I go through and make sure everyone's availability is up-to-date. Keep up the good work! Storm Aurora (talk) 06:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment. I also want to thank you for editing stuff relating to Masters. Before you came along, I was the one who updated all the battle appearances, and it was a pain to go through all the events pages to make sure I didn't miss any. I really appreciate that you made it easier to find all the events. I also want to say thanks for adding the story appearance. I wanted to add something like that for a while but that requires a lot more effort to keep track of which character appeared in what event, than which characters you battle in an event. So I appreciate that you are going through the effort to add them. I was also thinking about adding a story section for a character's pages that would explain what they did in the game's story and events, like how the core series characters have a summary of what they did in the games on their page. So having a story appearance will really help to make sure I don't miss any events that a character was in. So thanks for all the hard work and I hope you have a wonderful day. TBR2001 (talk) 22:08, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Masters Mega Evolutions

I noticed that you listed the Mega Evolutions you added to the Masters EX character articles with both of the type colors they have in the core series. Should they be listed with just their Masters type's colors? And should Gigantamax Pokémon get this same treatment? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

I think maybe leaving it as the Masters type's colors would be better, as their base type doesn't change. I'll go ahead and change them after this. As for the Gigantamax Pokémon, I talked with User:Storm Aurora and they said that they can't get sprites of just the Gigantamax Pokémon because they only appeared in the Max Move/G-Max Move cutscenes, not menus. I would love to get the models of the Gigantamax Pokémon to upload, but me and Storm don't know how to extract or construct the models. If you somehow know how to get the Gigantamax Pokémon in the same quality as the other Pokémon images from Masters EX, I say add the Gigantamax Pokémon to the Masters EX character pages. TBR2001 (talk) 17:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Makes sense. And thanks for agreeing with the type colors and editing them. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:42, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Regarding listing Masters characters' sync pairs on their base character articles, should the Mega Evolving Pokémon be displayed with their base icons instead of their Mega Evolution icons? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 11:16, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

Well I think they should be displayed in their Mega Evolve icons because it shows their Pokémon in their Mega Evolved state. Plus where else are we going to show those images? Feels like a waste to have them and not use them. However, maybe we should use the Mega Evolve icons in the "List of sync pairs" page to help differentiate the same Pokémon owned by different trainers, and have their base icons used in the base character pages as they are the only ones with the Pokémon on their page. For example, the player and Leon both have Charizard, while Red has a Charizard that can Mega Evolve into Mega Charizard X. It would help more people to see the difference between the 3 Charizards if one was in their Mega Evolved state, especially if they were looking at the list in the Pokédex order. I can change the icons myself if you agree with this possible change.TBR2001 (talk) 16:12, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

The list has previously agreed to keep using the base form image of Ash's Pikachu instead of the World Cap for he obtains as a result of the sync move, so I feel Mega Evolution should be the same way. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 08:30, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

changes to spin-off content

Hi! first of all, I'd like to ask you not to not put images on articles on chat if they don't exist. It makes the pages look incredibly dirty and nobody wants to see dead links.

But this main discussion is about deeming what counts as "unnecessary". Why should minimal information on a character's first appearance and story usage be considered unnecessary in Masters? Giving full context is one thing but telling them the most basic of information is rather crucial, makes the page look more full, gives per-information before moving to the next page and overall just explains things better. What is deemed as "unnecessary" is rather subjective and I want to know TrainerSplash (talk) 07:20, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I left those images there for someone to eventually upload the missing image. I would upload it myself, but I can't get the image, so I hope someone sees the missing image and uploads it so it can be fixed. If I hide it, then no one will know that there is a missing image that needs to be uploaded.

As for "unnecessary" edit I made. The reason I did that is because most pages that talk about Masters, just list the character and the Pokémon they have, nothing else. It seems strange that only two characters, Elio and Selene, are the only characters to mention their debut and when they were scoutable, when none of the other characters have this information in their Masters EX section. Plus it's not like the information is lost, as you can still find when they debuted and when they became scoutable in their own Masters pages. The only thing I think a person is looking for when reading the Masters section on a character's page is, whether they are playable in the game, and which Pokémon they have. Elio and Selene both already have this information, anything else is just extra and really unnecessary, and they can also find other information they might be looking for on the actual character's Masters page. I don't think not knowing when a character debuted and when they were scoutable is considered precious information that needs to be mentioned on the original characters page. TBR2001 (talk) 21:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)