User talk:The dark lord trombonator/Archive5

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Need to ask a favor

Since you did a good job on the Unknown page with the new material I've added I've decided that you should look at Serebii's details on the Pokéthlon stats and do the pages in necessary on Pokémon that have multiple forms, like Wurmadam and Deoxys because you could probably do a quicker and better job than I could. -Tyler53841 02:05, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, sure. —darklordtrom 03:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Alright and I can handle the rest just like I had been doing today. -Tyler53841 03:04, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Pokéthlon stats

I see an issue coming up regarding Rotom. Each form has different stats... the page can get to be really large... ^ht14 02:53, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

It will be no issue. —darklordtrom 03:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

K. ^ht14 03:02, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

So you're not hiding the ones that aren't Mow Rotom. Just all alternate, right? ^ht14 03:15, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't realise they were stuck to specific days. In any case I'm not a fan of hiding too much information. If I had my way I'd have all information shown on the page, with just the infobox/in the anime pictures alternating. —darklordtrom 03:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Redirect

I need a removal of a redirect from Monday to days of the week in Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation. Thanks. ^ht14 21:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Done.--♫Green♫ギャラドス♫Talk♫ 21:22, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

New stuff!

In my Sandbox, evobox stuff. Also, here, there were some misunderstandings, all the Emeralds should be gifs. Also, here, there's a bunch of commented out stuff that has to do with held items which isn't needed since that has its own template now.--MisterE13 23:49, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Could you get on this stuff please, my sandbox is categorized as a template.--MisterE13 20:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. All done, except the commented out stuff. It may be useful in a future revision. It isn't hurting anyone by being there. —darklordtrom 22:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I just figured that all that text on 493 pages that wasnt being seen couldn't be good. I had actually made a small mistake with the Illumise thing so could you take anouther peek when you have the time (at least there doesn't have to be any categories this time).--MisterE13 23:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Well seeing as it is commented out it won't get called anyway. Leaving it there is probably safer than telling the server to take out things that don't really exist. :D —darklordtrom 00:53, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Luis Felix

Why don't you just conert the time at only 10 sec.Luis Felix Rileys 10:38, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

We could do. But that might be too hard on the server. —darklordtrom 20:27, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Viewpoint

See what I did with Plant (egg group). If you like, then I'll keep going. If not... then.... yeah... ^ht14 23:08, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

How exciting!

I've made my first official template, oh boy! \o/ Thanks for doing the moving and all. (It was right that I made it in my userspace first though, correct...?) 梅子^❀_✿ 22:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Yep, you did right. Technically it's meant to stay there until there are a few people using it, but this one is for an official game (as opposed to User has brown pants etc. etc.) so I decided to fast forward it. That's the kind of template we want people using. —darklordtrom 23:30, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I was surprised no one had made it before, honestly. 梅子^❀_✿ 23:33, 10 October 2009 (UTC) ←This user has black pants.

Hmmm...

Should I make my re-worded things about them being able to be rebattled a bit longer? Or should I keep them short like they are? R.A. Hunter Blade 01:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I did the whole thing. —darklordtrom 01:06, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Crap..... I should probably undo what I just did so it's easier. x-x R.A. Hunter Blade 01:12, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't have said that was necessary, but... —darklordtrom 01:24, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

{{PokéWalker}}

Could you change all location names to {{pa|Name}} please? ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 01:40, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. I fixed the borders too. —darklordtrom 01:51, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

nutz

help need DP 127 and up SUBTITLES NO downloading!- unsigned comment from jackjt8 (talk • contribs)

Have fun with that. —darklordtrom 22:43, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Are Certain Comments on Race Relevant?

Realizing that Pokémon is a franchise for entertainment, I would avoid the question of race on Bulbapedia. However, before a philosophical discussion on what exactly constitutes 'race' and related social constructs ensues, I am curious as to whether a comment on a certain character's race is relevant. After all, this might just be me, but the Pokémon franchise appears to feature ethnically East Asian (Japanese) and Caucasian characters for the most part with few or no representatives of other ‘races’ (or rather, ethnic groups, a different concept in itself). More specially, can I add the following comment on Rosie from Pokémon Battle Revolution onto her Bulbapedia reference page? Is it relevant? [Ha, relevant trivia – is that an oxymoron?]

Trivia

• Notably, Rosie (in her American rendition) is one of few characters in the Pokémon franchise to be explicitly racially black.

[I admit that the use of consecutive adverbs here is awkward.]

AceTrainerAlvaro 03:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC) AceTrainerAlvaro

Race (cont.)

Of course, adding this comment might necessitate similar comments on characters such as Sashay (in her American version). Help trom – I might be opening a can of worms here!

Sorry – I have yet to form a signature on Bulbapedia so I’ll sign however I can. Of course, you know how to contact me.

AceTrainerAlvaro 03:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC) AceTrainerAlvaro

My Apologies

trom, it is my first time on a talk page and I already messed up. See, I deleted an earlier version of my first post on this talk page which I accidentally forgot to sign and published before editing, but apparently changing even undesired talk posts is illegal on Bulbapedia (aka ‘Edit conflict’). Sorry for any inconvenience.

AceTrainerAlvaro 03:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC) AceTrainerAlvaro

A response, from Mental Dario.

Harassment? Harassment? Are you accusing me of harassment? Need I remind you that it is I that is being stepped on, I that is being patronized, and I that is really bored? I think that you are the villain here! -- Mental Dario 08:41, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

You're ubelievably funny.--Liquid ICE (User:Cold)^{(page, talk)} 08:45, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

If you're bored, go look at lolcats. They always cheer me up. And yes, you are harassing our staff members. You're refusing to follow Bulbapedia policy and using nasty cusswords. Calling names isn't going to help your situation. Face it, your opinion doesn't count for anything. Encyclopedias are built on fact. Now go lol at those cats and leave us all alone. If you continue to harp on here I will have to put you out of your misery. —darklordtrom 08:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Apologies

Sorry, I will do. I was just have trouble making these user tag things work. Thanks. OwnageMuch 07:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Apology acepted. If you can give it a break for now that would be appreciated. If you edit more in the mainspace, we will be more lenient on your userspace editing, btw. You've currently edited a grand total of zero encyclopedia articles... how about we changed that ;) —darklordtrom 07:48, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure I'll be able to add lots of Trivia, but when will editing the Pokémon pages be allowed again? OwnageMuch 08:07, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

At this stage, this time next month. That's when they will automatically unprotect themselves. As you may have seen on the Messages from the Editor we are having some... technical hitches... at the moment. Rest assured, we will have them active again as soon as we possibly can. —darklordtrom 08:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

There is also a giant Drapion

Can you add J's Drapion to the list of the giants? In DP072 I saw that it's Giant. If you'll compare it to Aaron's, it defenitely giant. And a question- the two Wiscash that in giant pokemon are really giant? I think they are a normal Wiscash. 2'11". Moti19909 09:55, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

If someone else could confirm this for me. I don't watch the anime and some things are highly debatable. Same goes for Whishcash. —darklordtrom 09:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Whiscash is already in there, and about Drapion, I'm not sure, it seems nprmal to me.--ForceFire 09:57, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Of course that J's Drapion is giant. Look at it: [[1]]

And look at Aaron's Drapion: [[2]] So I suggest you to add it to the list.

And you did not answer me: why those two Wiscash are considered as a giant??? Moti19909 12:40, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I told you, I don't watch the anime at all. If any of the RC-stalkers want to chime in here they can be my guest. —darklordtrom 18:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

J's Drapion is quite large, about twice the hight that most Drapion are, but only in that scene. It's not that size in any of these

For the Whiscash, it should be painfully obvious why Nero is considered giant. Just read the page. And for Juan's Whiscash, it isn't directly stated, but if you look at the top right picture here, Whiscash is much larger than Ash's Swellow. Swellow are 2'4", Whiscash are 2'11", but look at the size difference. There wouldn't be that much a difference when there should only be a 7 inch difference. R.A. Hunter Blade 21:27, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Userspace Privilages

When will I get my Userspace privilages back? I've made several contributions to the mainspace since then. I'm sorry for editing my user space too much, I didnt realize that I was and was trying to make a 'Future SoulSilver Team' chart but it totally messed up my page. I fixed it then lost my privilages. LugiaRocks 01:39, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

You have made a lot of mainspace edits. A sincere congratulations to you. However, the standard time of service is one month, which may be lessened to two weeks in extreme cases. You've almost done one week, so if you keep the effort up I'll see what I can do. —darklordtrom 01:49, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Btw how do you edit your sig? LugiaRocks 02:14, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Special:Preferences and test it out using "show preview" so we don't have to see every stage of its development. —darklordtrom 02:15, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Have I earned them back yet? Its been like 5 weeks it seems like. I won't userspace edit so often. Hello? '''LugiaRox''' 23:10, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

OK. Behave yourself. We're less lenient on repeat offenders. —darklordtrom 01:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks. :) I will use my privilages wisely. '''LugiaRox''' 02:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

TM's

So, How does it work?--ForceFire 04:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

OIC, Thanks.--ForceFire 04:37, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

You still on? If so, I have one quick question, how about those that do not have an image for themeself? Like the Gen II Berries? I plan to upload an image of nothingnness under the name of File:Bag none Sprite.png--ForceFire 08:08, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Tc26 already did that. —darklordtrom 08:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I realized that already. --ForceFire 08:20, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Caterpie and Weedle

While they are listed as version exclusives on their own pages as well as their cocoon forms, but I noticed this does not include the Bug Catching Contest as a location and the fact they both appear there. With those pages in lockdown I have no choice but to ask you for help since it looks like these Pokémon are not completely a version exclusive. -Tyler53841 06:18, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure this can wait until we get confirmed availabilities. I'd assume that it's the same as GS, but some confirmation would be nice. —darklordtrom 08:28, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Would you know...

why the (Pokémon) articles are protected until November? ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 07:10, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Yup. It's to do with the Studio Bebop thing. There's a thread about it in the news forum, I think. —darklordtrom 07:12, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

The iPhone app thing? Thanks. ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 07:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't a "main" Admin of Bulbapedia report the Application to Apple, stating that it's breaking the creative commons license as well as hot linking from Bulbapedia and request that it be taken down? I apologise if this is already in the process of being done, since I don't look at the forums all too often... I just think it'd make more sense to go straight to the core rather than trying to speak to a seemingly unwilling-to-resolve-the-issue App creator. ASecondOpinion1501 02:31, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

We've had Bulbagarden's owner, right hand man, and the Editor in chief do it. If they didn't listen to them, they wouldn't listen to a simple admin. ^Maverick_Nate 02:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

By "Main Admin", I kinda meant those high up people! :P -- Talk to Apple or the App Creator? ASecondOpinion1501 02:38, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Pokemon Pages

I know they are blocked for that App issue but here is something I want fixed in the Mesprit, Azelf, and Uxie Pages. In their Anime Appearances, it is included that a statue of them appeared in some episode. But I did this on DP147, with the Dialga & Palkia statues appearing in them. Kenji & Adyniz said that statues aren't Pokemon. So could you remove that from their Anime Appearances. Thanks User:BAC510 07:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Statues are of note. We list flashbacks and fantasies. I see no reason why they should not be included on DP147. As such, I have added it back in. —darklordtrom 07:29, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Flashbacks and fantasies have actual Pokémon in them. Statues are objects can't move and have no life to them. How come The Wacky Watcher doesn't have Rhyhorn in listed in the Pokémon section when it was a drawing of one in Tracey's sketchbook? Why doesn't The Crystal Onix have all the Pokémon that Mateo made glass sculptures off in the Pokémon section?

And what of the case of Misty's lure? That's would be in the same category as statues but it doesn't have Misty under the human section.

It should stay consistent. If one thing isn't mentioned then they other shouldn't either. If they are to stay then someone should look at all the episodes and put all the inanimate objects as characters. I've grown tired of this half-ass stuff. --ケンジのガール 08:00, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

I would actually count statues as something different entirely, particularly since the statues in question are of importance to the overall plot. They are of much more significance than a lure or a sketch. —darklordtrom 08:26, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Regardless of how important one think it is. An inanimate object is an inanimate object. --ケンジのガール 08:41, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Sure. Take it out of the DP page then, but I still think it should remain in the Dialga/Palkia pages. —darklordtrom 08:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Cut Glitch and Glitches Template

Just thought I'd ask you a question about the article you say you like! ;) -- Now that the page is no longer a stub, should I add it to the Glitches template and place that template at the bottom of the Cut Glitch page or is it not notable enough to be included in the template? ASecondOpinion1501 11:26, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Can't help but saying: YAY I fixed that stub! :D - OwnageMuch 03:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Cookies all around. I've updated that template. —darklordtrom 03:09, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I do quite like my cookies! -- And thanks, Trom. ASecondOpinion1501 21:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

nvm I found out

I will complain there giggity giggity giggity!--Darknesslover5000 03:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Artwork/Sprite

Do you prefer PsychicSailor or Cool Trainer? Style-wise, anyway. ^ht14 03:13, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

In reference to what? —darklordtrom 03:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Sprite or artwork. The former shows one row of all sprites. The latter shows 2 separate rows. Stadium 2 is acceptable, but as for the other two 3-D games, I'm not sure... ^ht14 03:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not fussed, as long as the table looks ok. —darklordtrom 23:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

hmmm

I seem to be blocked from editing pages--Darknesslover5000 00:02, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon species pages you mean... iPhone incident. See MFTE/forum for details. ^ht14 02:05, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it's just coz us admins are powerhungry jerks and we don't trust you guys. NO EXAMS FOR 11 DAYS :D But srsly, anyone who wants to be a pwning contributor here needs to frequent both the MftE, the forums, and all the admins talk pages because this has been asked at least 56 times now. —darklordtrom 06:43, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Regarding this...

User talk:Missingno. Master/Archive9#Glitch Pokémon Infobox

I had kinda forgotten to finish it, but now it should be completed (at least I can't find any errors anymore). Examples of it in use can be found on my sandbox page. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 15:44, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm marveling in its glory. And now everyone else can, too. Great job. —darklordtrom 20:02, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Ok, there was one thing (there's always one thing!). Then Gen1 equivalent parameter was not part of the original template, so I turned it off as a default to prevent it from showing erroneous data on each of the glitch pages. For those who do have an equivalent, this can be added, of course. —darklordtrom 20:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay... I left it on by default as most glitch Pokémon are in Gen I (and thus have often an equivalent), but that's okay too.

I fixed the Ten question marks page to show up correctly with the new template, but I sadly have to go offline now. There is a lot to fix; the thumb rule is that a generation tag should be added, the gender stuff should be changed to gendercode tag (works the same way as in normal Pokémon infobox, because this is based on it) if it exists, versions tag should be renamed as games, imgsize to size. I'll try to fix as many as I can once I get back on computer (hope at least someone else understands the code as well and goes to fix those - I'll also list the variables once I have time). UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 20:20, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that kind of equivalent! I mistook that to mean an equivalent glitch Pokémon when trading to RB. *facepalm* I'm going to leave that template well alone.... —darklordtrom 20:28, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

RE: Spam

Where did I spam? Sorry, you got me while i was editing. * --T☆MMYSAN!♂ 8:22 October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Kenji-girl's talk page, Kevzo8's talk page, and electAbuzzzz's talk page. —darklordtrom 00:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

What did I spam about? I'm a hardworking user on this site, I'm working very hard trying to follow to rules (this is so different from Wikia). I simply asked them to edit some stubs. I'm too busy. * --T☆MMYSAN!♂ 8:30 October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. WIKIA stubs. Not BULBAPEDIA stubs. That's the problem. —darklordtrom 00:32, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I think we might have forgotten, but Wikia really doesn't have anything to do with Bulbapedia. Lets just get back to work. I'm busy, you're busy. I just returned and I really want to work hard. * --T☆MMYSAN!♂ 8:33 October 21, 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. It has nothing to do with Bulbapedia. And that's why you don't need to spam people's pages with it. I'm glad we've reached this understanding. —darklordtrom 00:36, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Yes it would be nice if you would delete the redirect in my sandbox. Thanks for the help. -- Landfish⁷ 01:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I tested "Fishtalk" out and now it centers the page when I use it how does that get fixed? -- Landfish⁷ 01:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Pokémon in New Zealand

Greetings,

I just made a few edits to the TV2 article. As I have been taping Pokémon off New Zealand's airwaves for years (before anyone accuses me of being a pirate I've also bought most of the DVDs released here) and know quite a bit about our airing history. I could also provide various timeslot and channel references from my tapes. If a Pokémon in New Zealand article is started, feel free to let me know and I'll be happy to contribute to it. --Bardock 11:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your additions. I haven't watched the anime in six years so my knowledge is fairly rudimentary. I was planning on looking into an NZ article at some point in the next few weeks. My exams finish on the 2nd, so the article will largely depend on how much time I have to spend at work. You're more than welcome to help: I'll probably drop a note to all of the NZ contributors once I've got it started so you guys can fill in my grey areas. —darklordtrom 04:03, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I AM SO SORRY!

Sorry for continously bugging you XP. Any, I'm currently working on a new template, it isn't quite done yet, what else do you think I should add?--ForceFire 07:15, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I made one change. Otherwise it's fairly good. Better than some of your other work :P —darklordtrom 07:47, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

So it's good then.--ForceFire 08:21, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Signatures

Ahh, I didn't know that. I came over from Zeldapedia (Zelda.wikia.com) the one-of-a-kind wiki one might add, because basically all of us use "Word Bubbles". See something like this and note how alot of us use word bubbles. But I suppose if it's not allowed here I won't use it here, maybe it's because this wiki is much more professional, but whatever. I'll be glad to stay with my signature. And what I'm getting at is we can only have one personal image? It's the same for basically everywhere but I'm assuming that you guys do it, too. --Zelda311 15:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page; please reply there. I'll be watching it. —darklordtrom 04:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi

I hope I'm not asking for too much but the picture of Magikarp on Fishtalk is messed up and I can't figure out how to fix it. -- Landfish⁷ 15:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

It looks fine on my screen. I'm not sure what's wrong there. If you're using Internet Explorer... well that's often a problem in itself. —darklordtrom 04:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Sysops

So, who runs these parts nowa' days? --Zelda311 08:48, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

These losers. —darklordtrom 08:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

I meant who is the sysops/ruler/(possible) creator that is active right now. For instance AuronKaizer is at Zeldapedia. --Zelda311 00:53, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

TTEchidna is the Editor-in-Chief; he won't be taking any messages for the remainder of the month so if there are any issues you can leave them with one of these idiots or the aforementioned losers. —darklordtrom 00:55, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Userpage Warning

You're saying that to someone who was up almost all night trying to find articles to fix, and actually made some edits that no one else bothered to fix. - unsigned comment from Pokemon486 (talk • contribs)

No, I'm saying it to someone who made eleven userspace contributions on 26 October 2009 and two mainspace contributions over that same period. —darklordtrom 23:05, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, there isn't much to fix around here. The only thing that I can see at a first glance is updating the Generation III game screenshots in Japanese with English ones (if you can even do that without getting a warning). Pokemon486 23:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

There's a lot to fix. Check out the ongoing work section on the Main Page, or the Recent Changes toolbox. The point of a warning is to let you know when something you're doing isn't exactly right... the general idea is that once you're warned for something you don't do it again. Go ahead and Anglicize the screenshots. Just make sure they're of high quality. If you're doing something wrong I'll be sure to let you know so you can improve your editing patterns. —<--TheLastCharmander 05:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)--TheLastCharmander 05:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)span style="color:#000">darklordtrom 23:22, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Well I said at first glance. You certainly seem more helpful when I'm putting text on your userpage instead of mine. Pokemon486 23:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

That's because on your page I'm telling you that you're wrong. Don't get too upset when it happens again. —darklordtrom 23:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...suddenly I can't find the pages I found with Japanese pictures. Do you know any? Pokemon486 00:39, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Nope. Check your browser history. —darklordtrom 00:47, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I fixed the transfer picture for Pal Park. Pokemon486 01:02, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

And I deleted it because it was of low quality. Japanese pictures are preferred when their quality is superior to English pictures. —darklordtrom 01:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Well if you can find a high-quality English picture, be my guest and put it up. I can easily get any high-quality picture from Generation III though, so that would be easier if there are any articles like that. Pokemon486 01:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

You'll have to find them yourself. We are tending to go towards GenIV screenshots, though, so I'm not sure how much use they would be. —darklordtrom 01:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

My bad

I don't even remember those tiny little edits there. I must've accidentally deleted something while scrolling down the page. Thanks for the fix. --TheLastCharmander 05:21, 27 October 2009 (UTC)