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• Ash and Serena reunion
• Signing talk pages
• Regarding your recent edits
• Other stuff
• Bias against Goh
• Major event edit wars
• Serena and JN105
• Animation dex entries

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Ash and Serena reunion

I feel that it's important to note that Goh was involved in the scene where Ash reunited with Serena in JN105, which the new wording doesn't make clear. Also, Goh's capture of Altaria occurred after the Contest, near the end of the episode. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

He wasn't involved in the slightest, stop putting him where he doesn't belong. --Andrex96 (talk) 19:57, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Goh is a main character too, noting him does matter. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 22:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't matter here, he isn't involved.- unsigned comment from Andrex96 (talk • contribs)

Bulbapedia counts a main character's first meeting with another main character as a major event, and Goh was present during Ash's reunion with Serena. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 23:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

It's Ash who knows Serena, doesn't recognize her at first and then reunites with her. - unsigned comment from Andrex96 (talk • contribs)

Does not change what I said above: Bulbapedia considers first meetings between main characters as major events. How about a compromise? The major events section is restored to how it was, and the synopsis can follow your edited version of only mentioning Ash noticing Serena. How does that sound? PS. Chloe is not considered a main character, so the major event is listed as Serena meeting Chloe and not vice versa. Also, as I stated above, Goh's capture of Altaria occurred before the contest, so it should be listed after the Contest results. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 10:09, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

We have different understanding of what "meeting" means.- unsigned comment from Andrex96 (talk • contribs)

About the major events section, this is my compromise, even adjusted it a bit.- unsigned comment from Andrex96 (talk • contribs)

In Bulbapedia, a meeting is when two characters cross paths, see each other, and acknowledge each other's presence. I edited the major events section so that the events are in correct chronological order, with the Contest sections being placed where they are based on the results announcement. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for agreeing to compromise. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:29, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

And that's exactly what happened between Ash and Serena. - unsigned comment from Andrex96 (talk • contribs)

If you keep editing the synopsis and not respecting my compromise, I won't respect yours and keep editing the major events. - unsigned comment from Andrex96 (talk • contribs)

I did respect your edits on the synopsis. I just edited the rest of the "boat" mentions to "ship" like you had for consistency and tweaked some words while still maintaining your suggestion of only mentioning Ash meeting Serena. Also, about the definition of "meeting", I meant that it also applies to Goh meeting Serena. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 15:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't apply to him. - unsigned comment from Andrex96 (talk • contribs)

About the synopsis, it's Ash who fails to notice Serena, because he's the one who knows her. I'm not going to compromise on this. - unsigned comment from Andrex96 (talk • contribs)

Noticing is not the same as recognizing. They both ran past her and didn't notice her at first, but when they did notice her, Ash did recognize her. So yes, both of them failed to notice her at first, but only Ash recognized her afterwards. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

No, it's only Ash who should have noticed and recognised her but didn't immediately. - unsigned comment from Andrex96 (talk • contribs)

I told you already, I'm not going to compromise on this. You can either give up or remove the sentence from the synopsis. - unsigned comment from Andrex96 (talk • contribs)

Why should only Ash be recognized? Goh was present and met her too just as much as Ash did. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 22:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

No he didn't. Because it's Ash who fails to notice Serena and then recognizes her. Stop editing the synopsis.- unsigned comment from Andrex96 (talk • contribs)

I have not edited the synopsis since your last edit on it. I respectfully disagree with you on Serena and Goh not meeting each other at the end of the episode. They were at the same place at the same time, had eye contact, and acknowledged each other's presence. That has always counted as an encounter in Bulbapedia. May I also asked why you removed the sentence on Lilycove City's page about Goh at least seeing Serena? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:44, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I disagree with you as well, at the same place at the same time is the only right thing you wrote.

In Lylicove City's animation section, only Ash and Serena reunion is worth mentioning. Andrex96 (talk) 18:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Why do you think Goh and Serena seeing each other is not worth mentioning? --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 18:32, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I told you at the same place at the same time is the only right thing you wrote, thus not worth mentioning. Andrex96 (talk) 19:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Please tell me. I would like to know why you think so. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 21:06, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Signing talk pages

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Regarding your recent edits

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Other stuff

In JN122, Ash meeting Cynthia is not listed as a major event because he had already met her again earlier during tht tournament. This episode just had Got meeting her again. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 17:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Bias against Goh

Hi there, judging by your edit war regarding the events of JN105, your comments about Goh "not belonging" in that particular event (he does) or the event "not applying" to him (it does), and your edits listing Goh second (which normally wouldn't matter, but it seems targeted here), comes off as you making these edits because you do not like Goh. If you do have a bias against Goh, please leave it out of your edits, user edits should be neutral and unbiased. And regarding that particular event, Goh still met Serena even if they did not interact. A meeting does not necessarily require interaction.--ForceFire 05:56, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi there and I disagree, he doesn't belong in that particular event and the event doesn't apply to him. The only event is Ash and Serena reunion. Andrex96 (talk) 08:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

If you think he met her, write it in his page and stop. Serena sees Ash, calls out to Ash, speaks with Ash and bids farewell to Ash (and Chloe). Andrex96 (talk) 08:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Was Goh with Ash when Serena sees Ash? Was Goh with Ash when he and Serena reunited? Was Goh with Ash when Serena bid farewell? He might not have interacted with her, but he did see her, therefore, has met her.--ForceFire 12:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Being there alone, as you say, isn't worth mentioning, sorry. I have nothing else to say, please don't reply again. Andrex96 (talk) 13:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Rewatching the episode to get my facts right, Goh and Serena don't interact with each other, Goh does turn around when Serena calls out to Ash and is present when Ash tells Chloe they used to travel together. There is no direct interaction between them but as Force Fire says, it is still an interaction.--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 12:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Meant to say meeting, not interaction, my bad.--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 12:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I disagree. At best it's an unilateral "meeting", not reciprocal. That would be my compromise. Andrex96 (talk) 13:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Major event edit wars

This situation regarding major events on the articles for Serena (anime), Lilycove City, and JN105 seems to have escalated out of hand. Let's take a step back to re-evaluate this.

First - since we are a wiki written by volunteers, it is important that we foster a collaborative environment, and discuss disputes civilly when they occur. In discussions regarding the pages listed above - mostly on your talk page and in edit summaries - you have been rude towards and shown unwillingness to collaborate with your fellow editors. Now, while we recognize the other side hasn't been perfect either, you ended up resorting to edit wars, which are against the Bulbapedaia code of conduct. For this, you will receive a 3-day block from editing the Serena (anime), Lilycove City, and JN105 pages. You can still edit other pages, including your talk page, during this time.

To be clear, this is not meant to shut down your view on whether Goh and Serena's meeting is notable. There is no strict rule that Bulbapedia considers the first meeting between main characters to be a major event, but it is an observable trend in our coverage so far.

Instead of continuing our past habits simply out of tradition, this may be a good opportunity to re-evaluate why first-meetings in the animated series are notable in the first place, and why this potential one between Goh and Serena might or might not be notable. To get the ball rolling, could you elaborate on your thoughts regarding this? --Boblers (talk) 00:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I just don't think it's a major event, thus not worth mentioning. Like I said, I could compromise it's an unilateral meeting, not reciprocal, thus maybe worth mentioning in his page only.

The major event is Ash and Serena reunion, that's where all the focus of the scene is. --Andrex96 (talk) 09:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree that Goh being there while Ash and Serena reunite may not be a "major event" that needs to be listed on the JN105 page. Some people do find it interesting when main characters from different series are present together though. Like, Misty meeting May or Dawn meeting Iris, so I do wonder if there's an agreeable way to include that as a separate point.

I also don't think it's crucial to mention that Goh was there on the Lilycove City page, though I do agree with you that it's worth mentioning that they met on Goh and Serena's pages. Landfish7 12:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Please read carefully, I said maybe worth mentioning in his page only, because I could compromise it's an unilateral meeting, not reciprocal. Andrex96 (talk) 12:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

In previous series, a main character meeting another notable character has always counted as a notable event, so I feel that Goh meeting Serena should be counted as a major event (a meeting does not necessarily include interactions between characters), but I'm ready to keep the mention of his and Serena's encounter to a minimum in the plot synopsis. I also agree with Landfish that it should be brought up on Goh and Serena's pages, and I feel the Lilycove City article should at least mention Goh seeing her during this encounter. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 12:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Andrex:Are you saying that Goh met Serena, but Serena did not meet Goh? Just curious what you mean by it wasn't 'reciprocal'. Landfish7 12:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Landfish Exactly what I mean. I never considered it a meeting to begin with, so that's my kind of compromise. While Ash and Serena reunite, he just stands there watching alongside Chloe. Same happened with Volkner, Drasna, Marnie and more. It's not something notable in my opinion and not worth mentioning, if not maybe on his page. Andrex96 (talk) 17:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I think the difference between the Volkner episode and the Serena episode lies in the distance: when Ash faced Volkner, Goh was a clear distance away, sitting amongst the audience, and Volkner never acknowledges his presence because of this. With Serena, however, Goh is right next to her, acknowledges her presence, shares an eye contact with her, and Serena also notices him. This same also happened with Drasna and Marnie following their respective battles with Ash. By this definition, I believe that the encounter in JN105 can be counted as a meeting. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 19:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

If I was with someone who met with somebody, ngl I'd probably consider my having been there and talking to that person and sharing eye contact with them as having met them too. I worry going out of our way to not count this as a meeting might be seen as overly granular or pedantic by our readers, who I feel would find the fact that they were together and interacted in this way significant, however briefly. Landfish7 19:49, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

No, you keep making assumptions and being wrong. The one who is right next to her, acknowledges her presence, shares an eye contact with her, notices her and of course interacts with Serena it's Ash; the same vice versa of course.

When you say they were together and interacted in this way significantly, however briefly, you must understand it's Ash and Serena you're talking about. She pays attention to Ash (and Chloe after), everything else that's being written is just conjecture.

Repeating my compromise, feel free to mention the "meeting" in his page if you want, not other pages. Andrex96 (talk) 07:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to apologize for the misunderstanding. It seems your perspective is that Goh's presence during Ash's reunion with Serena is appropriate for his page and in the JN105 plot synopsis (not as a major event) but not significant enough to Serena to be worth noting on her page, nor crucial to mention on the Lilycove City page. I largely agree with this stance and feel it is fair and reasonable.

However, I'd like to address your repeated use of uncompromising statements such as "I can't do more" or "I will not allow further". Such remarks conflict with the collaborative nature of the wiki, and I'd request that they be avoided moving forward. I understand wanting to prevent pages becoming cluttered with excessive details—this is something I value as well. Still, we can avoid edit wars and frustrating disputes by using relevant talk pages to raise concerns and staying open to various solutions. Remember that minor additions from other users can often enrich articles without detracting from clarity, and any disagreements can usually be resolved through respectful discussion.

We all share the goal of creating clear, accurate, and engaging articles, and collaboration helps us achieve that. If you are unsure of how to handle a dispute or need clarification on policies, you are more than welcome to contact a member of staff. Landfish7 15:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the I can't do more. However please reread my perspective carefully. I said it could be worth mentioning in his page only, not in the episode plot synopsis or any other page. Andrex96 (talk) 09:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Please remain respectful towards other users. By what Bulbapedia defines as two characters meeting, Serena and Goh did meet each other. I hope we can edit the relevant articles in a way that achieves a compromise. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 00:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

My compromise is mentioning the "meeting" in his page only and Landfish already agreed with me 21 days ago. There's no reason for you to start editwarring again. Andrex96 (talk) 00:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Landfish also said his presence could be mentioned in the episode synopsis, where it isn't currently brought up. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 00:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

And I also personally think that the first meeting between two main characters, however brief, should be noted as a major event. Please do not let your personal feelings towards Goh or Serena affect this opinion. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 00:39, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

This is also the reason why I feel said meeting should also be brought up on other pages, including Serena's own page. Even very brief encounters can be notable. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 00:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Landfish said that due to a misunderstanding on his part about my perspective, read more carefully before speaking about other users. It's not a major event and it's not worth mentioning in any page except maybe his, that's the compromise you missed and it was accepted. Andrex96 (talk) 07:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

The discussion was long closed peacefully, refrain from editwarring on this issue again. Andrex96 (talk) 07:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I understand what Landfish said. I simply said that I personally disagree. The fact of the matter is that both Serena and Goh are main characters, and a meeting between two main characters tends to be counted as a major event, so you denying this seems to come out of personal bias rather than an unbiased look at what happens in the episode. I have no interest in edit warring, hence why I came here to talk about this with you. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 09:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Serena and JN105

Hi! Since you reverted my edit on Serena (anime), I can conclude that you saw my edit summary calling out my edit as a compromise between everyone involved in the dispute. This was not just from the agreement between you and Landfish, but also the 5 other users involved in the above comment sections here on your talk page. Even after staff involvement, you continued to participate in edit wars, received blocks for code of conduct violations, and remained uncompromising with your opinion--which is something that we can't simply tolerate as a community wiki. To put it plainly: I as Editor in Chief had to step in to make a content decision on the best wording based on everyone's opinions and events. I considered everything you offered above, consulted all of our anime staff, and watched the scene myself to determine how to best represent everything everyone wanted as fairly as possible.

Now that you have reverted my edit, continuing in the content dispute, I simply have to block you from editing those pages. Everyone on the wiki has to work together to come to the best conclusion for everyone, and I can't have you continue to be uncompromising when it comes to JN105, Goh, Lilycove City and Serena (anime). I have started two talk page discussions for JN105 and Serena (anime) for you to propose any issue you have with those pages.

One more thing before I leave, I need you to stop changing other people's talk page comments. It's against the rules; if you do it anymore, you will be blocked from all editing. Okay? ^Maverick_Nate 10:26, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

You say 5 other users, but isn't Landfish the only one from Leadership Board? If I had reached a peaceful agreement with him more than one month ago, the other 5 who are below him simply accept it, you as Editor in Chief should comprehend this and make it happen. Andrex96 (talk) 12:26, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I change other people's talk page comments because I can't tolerate misunderstandings on what's discussed in my talk page. I'm discussing major events in JN105 and Serena (anime) and nothing else, and for this reason I request you change the title of those two page discussions to simply "Major Events". Andrex96 (talk) 12:26, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Since you edited my talk page comment after being explicitly told not to, I will be blocking you for 24 hours. Please use that time to read the Bulbapedia:Talk page policy, and be prepared to receive more severe consequences if you return and continue violating that wiki policy.

I'll let Landfish7 clarify this agreement you claim to have, but I will say that Leadership Board members don't put themselves above others when it comes to analyzing content. We all work with the exact same resources and content, and only rule on something if there is a grander reason to. ^Maverick_Nate 13:06, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

The compromise made to the pages by Nate as agreed to by the anime team to best represent all thoughts and opinions that have been discussed so far do not contradict the thoughts and opinions that I have shared here nor do I believe they contradict what we discussed as appropriate for the pages, and my thoughts/opinions were not authoritative and do not trump the thoughts/opinions of anyone else. Landfish7 13:32, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Animation dex entries

The dex entries should be the English dub versions, not translations of the Japanese version, we are an English wiki after all. Thank you.--ForceFire 12:29, 15 February 2025 (UTC)