Template talk:Ability/head

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Update

Could someone please add a column for the Mega Evolution ability? And here as well? オリナル TheOriginalOne 13:31, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

We're going to update all of the templates around the same time so we can keep track of everything more efficiently. --Pokemaster97 20:22, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Generation differences subpages

Shouldn't this template be divided into generations? Because as it is now, it's super confusing and messy, and handling accuracy by adding a note at the footer of each ability table in the articles makes it very confusing to determine what's true or not for a given game.

With this in mind, I came up with something like the learnsets template for showing 100% accurate tables for each generation, which would be much better and orderly. Something like this could go in the main article for a given ability:

Generation VII
Other generations:
III - IV - V - VI 
# Pokémon Types First Ability Second Ability Hidden Ability
Gloom Gloom Grass Poison Chlorophyll None Stench
Grimer Grimer Poison Poison Stench Sticky Hold Poison Touch
Muk Muk Poison Poison Stench Sticky Hold Poison Touch
Stunky Stunky Poison Dark Stench Aftermath Keen Eye
Skuntank Skuntank Poison Dark Stench Aftermath Keen Eye
Trubbish Trubbish Poison Poison Stench Sticky Hold Aftermath
Garbodor Garbodor Poison Poison Stench Weak Armor Aftermath

And this other can go in the subpages (this one can be used for both Gen III and IV):

Generation IV
Other generations:
III - V - VI - VII
# Pokémon Types First Ability Second Ability
Shellder Shellder Water Water Shell Armor Skill Link None
Cloyster Cloyster Water Ice Shell Armor Skill Link None
Krabby Krabby Water Water Hyper Cutter Shell Armor None
Kingler Kingler Water Water Hyper Cutter Shell Armor None
Lapras Lapras Water Ice Water Absorb Shell Armor None
Omanyte Omanyte Rock Water Swift Swim Shell Armor None
Omastar Omastar Rock Water Swift Swim Shell Armor None

Take into account that this is just a proof of concept, so of course there'll be things that need to be corrected. hfc2X 01:19, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

That's actually an interesting idea. I hadn't given this specific issue much thought, but now that I think about it, it can get pretty confusing.
I do think we should tackle this somehow, and having separete tables (when necessary) may just work. However, I don't think there would be enough content for each single subpage, and many of them would end up being redundant.
I would suggest we instead have all tables on the ability page itself, but only show the most recent one by default and have the others hidden under a hide/show button (it's not really necessary to hide them, I just think it would keep the page easier to read). We would also only need to add more tables if there was enough change between generatios to justify it. For example, if no Pokémon had changes to their abilities from one generation to the next (or if all that happened was that Pokémon from the new generation now have the ability), or if they only had a hidden ability added from gen IV to gen V, a single table could easily cover these two generations. Suic (talk) 14:41, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Intro. # A-Z Pokémon T #1 T #2 Ability Hidden Ability
I 094 Gengar Gengar Ghost Poison LevitateIII-VI
Cursed BodyVII+
None
I 145 Zapdos Zapdos Electric Flying Pressure LightningrodV
StaticVI+
II 241 Miltank Miltank Normal Thick Fat
ScrappyIV+
Sap Sipper
II 242 Blissey Blissey Normal Natural Cure
Serene Grace
Healer
III 278 Wingull Wingull Water Flying Keen Eye
HydrationVII+
Rain Dish
III 279 Pelipper Pelipper Water Flying Keen Eye
DrizzleVII+
Rain Dish
V 550 Basculin Basculin
(Red-Striped Form)
Water Reckless
Adaptability
Mold Breaker
V 550 Basculin Basculin
(Blue-Striped Form)
Water Rock Head*
Adaptability
Mold Breaker
  • Abilities were introduced in Generation III, Hidden Abilities were introduced in Generation V.
  • Crossed out abilities are no longer possible for this Pokémon and were never available.

I don't think making many tables is neccessery, there aren't that many changes for it. I put all the special cases I am aware of above and think this table is much more intuitive than what is it currently.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 16:35, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

The problem is not simply that an ability stops being available to a certain Pokémon. New generations often added new possible abilities to many Pokémon without removing those that were already available. Most of these times the abilities added were introduced in the new generation in question, but some of them are eventually from an earlier generation. There are many other like Miltank that received a new ability from generation III to IV. The overall problem is that it's not immediately evident when one of the abilities of a Pokémon shouldn't be considered for a certain generation. Suic (talk) 23:25, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
That's alreday solved in my example, I've put Wingull and Pelipper to make it more obvious.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 10:46, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that your example could solve it, but it kind of bothered me that a large amount of Pokémon would need these notes. But I guess that's fine, any solution would have it's advantages and disadvantages, and yours is more compact in the end.
What I still think should be different, though, is the table itself. We could easily keep it pretty much the same as what we have now, with a "first" and "second" ability column, but each cell would be able to have more than just one line when necessary, and the abilities in each line would be able to have a note that indicated in which generations it is available. Suic (talk) 00:02, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
I think all we really need is a notes column... The main three columns can tell the most recent info (adding some simple sups for new second/Hidden Abilities where there wasn't one before), and notes can tell everything else. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
I have no problem with keeping regular abilities in two columns, it's rather important here to keep them aprat for cases like evolution and transfering to the next generation so it's easier to decude in what cases it changes (like when Cubone evolves into Alolan Marowak the ability Rock Head changes into Cursed Body, but Battle Armor changes into Rock Head). Also, there are already few pages (like this one [1]]) that would use template for generation sups.--Rocket Grunt (Report To Me) 10:02, 8 July 2020 (UTC)