Talk:List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number

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Gen VI

Could Aurorus and Tyrantrum be added to the page, or will they be added after this mystery Pokémon is revealed tomorrow? Scratch that. Aurorus, Tyrantrum, and Doublade need to be added. --The Truth aka Relicant 16:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

719, 720, 721

I remember reading somewhere that someone discovered Pokemon past Zygarde. Should we add them? Liberty Bell (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

We know about them, but we can't really confirm them since this time we neither can crack into the game to see all the data, nor they've been officialy revealed... at least for now. Uploader (talk) 14:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Cottonee's type change

Can anyone add Fairy type to Cottonee please, that's because it's evolution is also Fairy type. Thank you! Cinday123 (talk) 06:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

False typing

Cottonee and Whimsicott are not fairy type. Why do people keep stating that when you cannot even find them in x or y? --Admantus (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

You can't catch them yourself, but they are used by other Trainers in battle facilities, etc. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
And according to Serebii, Cottonee line is now Fairy type, however, you can't catch them in Kalos and the only way to get them is to transfer Pokémon from Black, White, Black 2 or White 2 to X or Y, this is because it is not available to catch in Kalos however you have a chance to see them in battle facilities whereas Trainers used Whimsicott. Cinday123 (talk) 08:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, Serebii might be wrong, because they haven't even updated the sprites for the other unobtainable pokemon that appear post-game. I think that the types should be switched back to pure grass until pokemon bank comes out. --Admantus (talk) 20:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with it. I mean, the information on Bulbapedia is always confirmed information. And any information that wasn't confirmed gets removed. So, the fact that Cottonee/Whimsicott being Grass/Fairy hasn't been removed or altered back to it's original information/typing means it's been confirmed. And like Cinday123 and others have said, just because you can't catch it in the Kalos region games doesn't mean you can't still obtain it. And that means, the information for Cottonee & Whimsicott are programmed in the games. So, I say let it be. DarienLeonhart (talk) 21:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


Is it just me or are the pokemon listed for gen VI out of order? Not like broken, but I see like 114 right after 93 and etc. ★☆Togetic45☆★ 18:58, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

It's not out of order. Those are the Pokemon's Kalos Dex numbers. The list is ordered by the National Dex numbers. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 19:05, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Secret Gen 6 Pokemon

What about those secret Pokemon from Gen 6? The ones after Zygarde? Shouldn't they be on here now? MegaNerd18 (talk) 11:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm so sorry, the Pokémon Company haven't revealed these mythical Pokémon so let's just leave it for now until it's revealed so we don't know yet. Cinday123 (Talk) 12:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Well I think the hacker who discovered the secret Pokemon is reliable because the Pokemon he found where: Hoopla, Volcanion, Daince, Fancy Vivillon, and the Mega Eon twins. Four out of six have revealed. If we do put in Hoopla and Volcaion when should put a little star (*) like on the list of Pokemon in the a area in the ranger game if you must release them after you catch them. --AbsolX (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Generation VI Sprites

Why there are no sprites for the new Pokémon introduced in X and Y? Dalton358 (talk) 20:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Because we don't have them and we don't allow taking from other sites without permission. Glik (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I figured it would take longer to get them, because it's on a different system. I wonder how the other websites got their images. Dalton358 (talk) 21:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
They have 3DS capture cards. Few Bulbapedia users do, and the only ones I've seen with them have been focusing on other things, like Trainer images. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Multiple Pokédeces in Generation VI

In the Generation VI, there are 3 Pokédeces: Kalos Central, Kalos Coastal and Kalos Mountain. For example:

  1. Chespin is Kalos Central #001
  2. Inkay is Kalos Coastal #010
  3. Goomy is Kalos Mountain #019

The list doesn't reflect it.

-Iosue (talk) 08:27, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

That's because this is the National Pokédex list. You want List of Pokémon by Kalos Pokédex number. --SnorlaxMonster 08:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Of course I understand that. I am not stupid. I can read. What I am suggesting is to add a very small token in front of each Kalos number to indicate if it is Central, Coastal or Mountain, as these are a part of the Generation VI dex. If there is no indication of the sub-region, the column of the table of Generation VI will have limited meaning here. I'd suggest you either delete the whole column, or add the small indication of which sub-region the number belongs to. -Iosue (talk) 04:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, that column is labelled VIDex, which will be misleading with the release of ORAS. --Abcboy (talk) 06:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
I concur with the main issue. Don't write completely undifferentiated numbers as if all you have to do is scroll through one Pokedex to find any given Pokemon; that's not at all the case. Do something like this:
VIdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
#001Ce #650 Chespin Chespin Grass
#002Ce #651 Quilladin Quilladin Grass
I would also strongly suggest linking the regional 'dex abbreviations in the headers so people can click on them and immediately jump to those 'dexes. (If this were done, this would make "VIdex" less "misleading".) I linked "VIdex" above, and I'll demonstrate the same for the other generations below...
Kdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
Jdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
Hdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
Sdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
Udex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
For that matter, I'd also suggest linking "Ndex" similarly in the header template so it links easily back here on the regional 'dex pages. ...And "Type" could also be linked, just because it's the sort of thing that should be clickable. Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, Diancie needs its Kalos Dex number added (#151 in Central). --Abcboy (talk) 09:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
As Abcboy said, this remains an issue. I have taken the liberty of creating a user page that fixes the main issue in this discussion. The page also incorporates my idea for 'dex links in the headers, as well as renames the Kalos section's table header from "VIdex", a name that is not proper considering the existence of ORAS now.
I hope someone on staff will take a cursory look at my user page and then copy the code onto this page (give or take the headers, perhaps), so that this issue may finally be solved. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Bump... Tiddlywinks (talk) 10:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


I noticed that the color coordination is not in accord with the Kalos National Pokédex. Shouldn't each region get the appropriate color attributed to them? Mr. Guye (talk) 20:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Interesting observation. I had never noticed the color coding in the Kalos National Pokédex before, but it's there, and is to my knowledge the first time an official source has used color coding to denote regions.
Bulbapedia currently uses specific colors for regions, but this particular page uses the colors of the first games taking place in those regions. Perhaps the colors for the tables on this page should be replaced with the region colors. Meanwhile, replacing the region colors themselves with the ones in X and Y is a discussion that should take place but might be too big for this page. I would recommend taking that up with a staff member. --AndyPKMN (talk) 18:36, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

The icon for diancie.

Now that Diancie has been released, you guys need to update this page to contain the sprite for diancie so it is no longer a grey question mark. Random Viewer

Flabébé line

We've done it for Shaymin, Burmy and Rotom (as well as others) and the sprites are in the Archives, so can an admin (since I can't edit the page) add on the different mini sprites of them, or explain to me why they aren't used on it? Thanks.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 20:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Save space

Welcome. I got the idea, in which a list of Pokemon replace the tiles. It would have saved a lot of space and reduced the site to a minimum. Imagine this:

Ndex: #001
Grass Poison
Ndex: #002
Grass Poison
Ndex: #003
Grass Poison
Ndex: #004
Ndex: #005
Ndex: #006
Fire Flying
Ndex: #007
Ndex: #008
Ndex: #009

As you can see images of Pokémon will be bigger and will take less than half the length now. --Dominikololo (talk) 09:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't necessarily agree with this idea. It looks better and shows off a Pokémon's appearance in full instead of just resorting to the icon, yes, but it's a lot more complex to work with incase there's an error. If you want to make it, you can do it as a personal user page under something like User:Dominikololo/Visual National Pokédex just to give us a full example. Superjustinbros. (talk) 03:30, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Generation III

Considering the fact the Johto Pokédex part of the Gen II Pokémon section was updated to the newer version from HG/SS, it's probably best we update Hoenn's under the Gen III Pokémon section to the one from ΩR/αS. Nintendocan (talk) 00:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Hoopa Unbound and Dex numbers

Hoopa's Unbound form needs to be added. Diancie, Hoopa and Volcanion's Dex numbers also. Asmod96 (talk) 16:09, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

VIdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
#150 #718 Zygarde Zygarde Dragon Ground
#151 #719 Diancie Diancie Rock Fairy
#152 #720 Hoopa Hoopa Psychic Ghost
#152 #720 Hoopa Hoopa Psychic Dark
#153 #721 Volcanion Volcanion Fire Water

Sun and Moon Legendary Mascots

Can someone who has access to editing this page add Solgaleo and Lunaala to the Gen VII list? They have been revealed along with the Alola starters, but remained nameless in the video. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 23:16, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

As you say, they are nameless. Until there is confirmation, we will not be assuming their names. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Charjabug and Vikavolt

Shouldn't Charjabug and Vikavolt be immediately after Grubbin, seeing as they're its evolutions? Pokemega32 (talk) 13:55, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

I noticed that too; I think whoever renamed/added them meant to move both Rockruff and Komala down, but somehow missed Rockruff... AmoongussForLife (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Just went to look at it and it seems SnorlaxMonster got it covered. Thanks for pointing it out. Too bad we don't know anything about their official numbering yet, but I guess they want to keep some things (how many 'Mons, for instance" a secret, so meh. CycloneGU (talk) 17:32, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


If Unfezant and Frillish line are included twice for both genders, shouldn't Hippowdon be added as well? Their appearance is quite different as well. Same goes for several other cases, if Hoopa and Meloetta have their forms added, why not Keldeo or Kami trio? Who decides what should appear and what shouldn't, and by what rule??? - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talkcontribs)

The Hippos, it may be because official art (see Hippopotas (Pokémon), the big image at the top) AFAIK has never depicted the female forms, while for Frillish and Unfezant it has.
The difference between Hoopa and Meoetta vs Keldeo and the Kami trio may be that the former change types when they change form. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:35, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Another contributing reason is that the game does not have gender-specific menu sprites for the Hippopotas family. Together with the lack of a type difference between genders, adding a seperate row for the other gender will not accomplish anything content-wise. Chenzw (talk) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Basculin is also listed twice, by the way. Vivillon, that also changes menu sprite depending on forms, is only included once (understandably because of how many form differences it has).
I mean I was mostly asking, so thanks for "justifying" it. Also, regarding whether it adds anything content-wise - except for the type changing forms, nothing really adds any content (Frillish, Hippos, Unfezant, Basculin, Vivillon), which is why I was puzzled. Didn't seem like there was any actual reason to include multiples. But I guess Sugimori arts are a good enough reason (I just couldn't figure it out). - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talkcontribs)


Someone needs to add the recently revealed Pokemon, which I assume would include Alolan Forms (as they all change type.) AmoongussForLife (talk) 17:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

No, I think this page is better suited for the Pokémon with their natural Pokémon types to help prevent the page from getting too messy or confusing. This is why separate sub-pages are better suited to handling this such as the Mega Evolution page. -Tyler53841 (talk) 00:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
FWIW, the Alola Forms' types are no less natural than the forms we've always known. That said, we haven't yet decided whether we want the Alola Forms here or not. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
I would think that the Alolan Forms should be added, as the type changes, it appears the Pokémon don't switch between the two (an Ice/Fairy Ninetales would have Ice Vulpix), and multiple entries are added for Darmanitan, which is a similar case. I suppose the second point is mostly speculation at this point, though, but I don't think it would hurt the page overall. AmoongussForLife (talk) 01:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Wimpod's types

Wimpod's types are Bug/Water, not Water/Bug. Someone should fix it. --RafaelGN (talk) 03:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Wishiwashi, Pyukumuku, and Morelull

This page still lists the japanese names even though the English names are revealed and confirmed and the pages for them use the English names. AztecCroc (talk) 14:16, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


Someone needs to add Rugarugan after Rockruff; it's been over a day. AmoongussForLife (talk) 17:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

I will try see if I can. Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 17:22, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
never mind I didn't know that the page is protected. Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 17:23, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
It hasn't been added because there is no page for it and it hasn't been officially revealed, it was leaked. The admins know what they are doing and it will be added when it gets added. --HoennMaster 17:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

why is this page protected?

why is this page protected? I want to add Rugarugan after Rockruff but I can't. Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 17:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Most of the time it doesn't need to be changed, and when it does, we don't want people jumping the gun on rumors and stuff. Things like this we (as staff) update it when it's appropriate to do so. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Rowlet National dex number and menu sprites

On the Pokémon Bank page on the official site, menu sprites for several Gen VII Pokémon have been shown, and Rowlet have been confirmed as #722. Here's direct links for the relevant images: Top screen, Bottom screen - RHeegaard (talk) 00:21, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm assuming that the reason only Rowlet, Litten, Popplio, and Pikipek were uploaded is because they are the only ones with numbers (I am curious where you got official evidence of Litten, Popplio, and Pikipek's numbers though?), but would it not be possible to upload the others as "DrampaMS.png" and such so that they can be listed? It would make the table easier to read, I think. It's also what we do with artwork (whereas Pikachu's artwork is File:025Pikachu.png, Drampa's is File:Drampa.png), so it's not like it goes against Bulbapedia's other efforts. Nutter Butter (talk) 03:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
In large part, most places where menu sprites are used simply cannot accomodate filenames like DrampaMS (this page being an excellent example of such a place). The few places it might be usable aren't really worth it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:20, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


Can we add: Steenee (Pokémon), Tsareena (Pokémon), Hakamo-o (Pokémon), Ribombee (Pokémon)? Kidburla (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

They've already been added. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 14:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Seems they were added while I was typing the post. Kidburla (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
For future reference, if you just wait, someone will almost assuredly get to it soon enough. (I mean, if someone asked this every time there was a new reveal, this page would probably quickly end up bloated.) If it's 24 hours later, then it's late. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:50, 14 October 2016 (UTC)


How come Castform has all of its forms on the list but Oricorio doesn't? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 00:06, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Personally, it could be due to the criteria, but I cannot tell. So, here is a hopefully complete list of what Pokémon with multiple menu sprites appear and which do not.
From the group that does appear: Unfezant (Gender difference), Frillish (Gender), Jellicent (Gender), Castform (Ability), Deoxys (Form), Burmy (Form), Wormadam (Form), Shellos (Form), Gastrodon (Form), Rotom (Form), Giratina (Item), Shaymin (Item), Basculin (Form), Darmanitan (Ability), Meloetta (Move), Hoopa (Item), All Alolan Pokémon (Form)
From the group that does not appear: Pyroar (Gender difference), Meowstic (Gender), Ash-Greninja (Ability), Zygarde (Forme), Kyurem (Item), Cosplay Pikachu (Form), Pikachu (Unknown), Spiky-eared Pichu (Form), Unown (Form), Cherrim (Ability), Arceus (Item), Flabébé (Form), Floette (Form), Florges (Form), Deerling (Form), Sawsbuck (Form), Tornadus (Item), Thundurus (Item), Landorus (Item), Keldeo (Move), Vivillon (Form), Furfrou (Form), Aegislash (Ability), Oricorio (Item), Silvally (Item), Minior (Ability), All Mega/Primal Evolution Pokémon (Item/Move),
...So, basically, I would guess that this might have been potentially overlooked. Who is to say? Granted, I do understand that Unown, Vivillon, Arceus, and Silvally likely are excluded for a good reason. --Super goku (talk) 07:19, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
IMO, there definitely should be Oricorio with all its form, I thought that only forms with different type combination are added, but if there are also some gender differences... I even think there should be Mega Evolutions, if we will be adding forms. Asmod96 (talk) 08:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Most of these are probably missing because, as was mentioned in my "Hippowdon" question, they don't have official Sugimori art. Frillish has official art for both genders, while Hippowdon doesn't, hence it doesn't get two pictures. P weird reasonong, but I guess it works; Oricorio DOES have official art (in fact, most mentioned Pokemon do) and the forms change typing (good enough reason if you ask me), so I think someone should add them. Also, why can't we merge the forms into a single line (similarly to Pokémon with unique type combinations page)? - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talkcontribs)
The most important thing to remember, I think, is that this is a list of Pokémon species. It's not a list of minisprites. It's not even a list of Pokémon's types—those are included supplementarily. And it's certainly not a list of Ken Sugimori art.
On that note, I think the inclusion and exclusion of form differences should follow a less horrendously arbitrary standard. Either A) all forms with unique minisprites or types are included, or B) only one form per species is included, determined by a consistent criterion. If we go with A, I absolutely agree with KingisNitro that they should be merged into a single row, since it makes no sense to list the same species multiple times in a list of species. If we go B, I propose that the criterion be "whichever form is leftmost in Pokémon Bank's National Pokédex", since this is consistently a form that can be considered the most basic or "default".
So the question is, A or B? Should we put it up to a vote? Randomwaffle23 (talk) 02:27, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
I am going to mention that this technically is over six month old, but I will say that if anyone wants to put this up for a vote or needs to make a new section to discuss this can go ahead. Though, I do want to note that we now have issues with Pokémon like Togekiss who have two menu sprites just for which side they are facing. --Super goku (talk) 07:05, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
This is still not "fixed". If castform's forms count then I really do think many of the others should be included as well. Maybe not all Unown or Vivillon forms since they're purely cosmetic. I do think forms that change type or stats should be included (like Necrozma or Zygarde forms...) -Jor1ss (talk) 17:04, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
So, personally, I'm sorry that this keeps getting forgotten. On the other hand, even now, I can't muster enough of myself to "care" about it to check everything and do it up right... If someone wants to create a user page, we can look at it and see what's different and decide how much should be added. Tiddlywinks (talk) 22:44, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
I'd love to help with adding them but maybe I can't because my account is only 1 day old? I'm also not sure what having a userpage would do for adding to the list? Isn't a userpage just a page for each user? I'm very new here so I don't really know what to do sorry. -Jor1ss (talk) 06:48, 3 June 2018 (UTC)


At the very top of the page, it still doesn't list Alola with the rest of the regions. AmoongussForLife (talk) 10:53, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Alolan Pokedex number of new Pokemon

The ADex numbers of Poipole, Naganadel, Stakataka, Blacephalon, and Zeraora should be changed to 261, 262, 392, 393, and 403 respectively. sumwun (talk) 18:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this kind of a "noisy post" or "bump" is allowed, but I need to somehow get someone to pay attention to this. sumwun (talk) 02:00, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Gliscor sprite missing

the Gliscor Sprite is missing, can't edit to put it in Yamitora1 (talk) 17:57, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

That's just an error on your end. AztecCroc (talk) 22:04, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Spin-off Pokedexes?

Sort of an off-topic but idk where else to ask; do we have Pokedexes for side/spin-off games (Rumble, Mystery Dungeon, Pinball, Ranger, Trozei/Shuffle...)? I think it would be neat to list the Pokemon with places to find them/other important information. If so - where, if not - why? If I made them on my page, could they be added to Bulba? (Where else can I ask this question?) ~KingisNitro (talk) 01:04, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

As seen in the List of Pokémon template below the articles, yes, we do have Pokédex listing of other/spin-off games. Unless there's another listing you want to suggest.--ForceFire 03:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Meltan and Melmetal should not be under "generation VII" category

Officially, meltan and melmetal are under the region "unknown" and as such they should both be under that new category. furthermore, their pokedex numbers are 808 and 809 officially too. - unsigned comment from Supermassimo (talkcontribs)

Well, I see what you mean but this list is sorted by generation. And those Pokémon were indeed introduced in the generation it says they were. --Raltseye prata med mej 14:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
By that logic though, shouldn't Marill and Togepi be listed as generation 1 pokemon, Munchlax as a generation 3 pokemon and Magearna as a generation 6 pokemon? In fact, every single generation other than the first had a pokemon revealed in some medium before the release of the main games and this is especially true of mythicals. (Victini is in a similar situation to Meltan being listed just after the gen 4 mythicals and before the gen 5 starters even though it is considered gen 5 itself)
In fact, the only difference is that all these other pokemon were typically revealed in movies or the anime whereas Meltan/Melmetal are playable in Pokemon Go/Let's Go. That said, these are still just spinoff games (which actually don't even have any other gen 7 pokemon in them other than alolan forms) and neither Meltan nor Melmetal are available in any mainline gen 7 games. Finally, Pokemon Go goes as far as to classify Meltan's region as "Unknown" whereas it could have easily been listed as Alola if it was intended to be a gen 7 pokemon. (And Magearna has nothing to do with either Kalos nor Alola but is still classified as "Gen 7" in the Sun/Moon pokedex.
Sorry, for the long rant but my point is that strictly speaking the situation for Meltan/Melmetal is "Unknown" and ideally this should be reflected on the page to avoid speculating. However, if people insist on assigning a region/generation to it, I think it's far more likely to be "Galar"/"Gen 8" and not "Alola". Just my 2 cents. MCX (talk) 21:52, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
I would agree with your logic if not for your assumption that LGPE are not mainline games. They are core Pokémon games, which has been reiterated multiple times by Masuda and the others at GF. Since they’re catchable and playable in a mainline Gen VII game, they’re Gen VII Pokémon. That’s what separates them from cases like Bonsly, which I think would have been a much better example than Marill or Munchlax. --celadonk (talk) 12:47, 18 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm still not convinced that it's relevant nor that it's the case that LGPE are core titles. I'm not sure which interview you are referring to when saying that Masuda has stated that LGPE are core games but afaik Sword and Shield were first announced as the unnamed 2019 mainline Switch games in e3 2017. Then LGPE were announced at a later time and people were giving GF crap until they clarified that LGPE weren't the same as the previously announced 2019 titles. Correct me if I remember any of this incorrectly but if not, this would indicate that LGPE are something less than core games. If LGPE are core games that's the equivalent of GF announcing Sun/Moon after XY and then saying "oh btw, before SM we are gonna release gen 3 remakes, they aren't the same games as SM, we just thought we should announce gen 7 first." Yeah, LGPE are much closer gameplay-wise to the core games than, say, mystery dungeon or pokemon pinball but they are also not quite there.
Moreover, even if Masuda has said in an interview "LGPE are core titles", I'm still not sure if that is relevant in classifying Meltan's gen. LGPE don't have Crobat or Electivire or any gen 2-7 pokemon but they have Megas and Alolan forms and Meltan. This is just a weird situation where they used Meltan as a promo thing - not at all an indication that it's gen 7. They've even dropped mainline mechanics like breeding and abilities... Meltan being there doesn't conclusively prove anything. I doubt we will get any official statement like "Btw Meltan belongs in X gen" but we are still probably going to get a conclusive answer when they colour code Meltan along with either the gen 7 or gen 8 pokemon in some future title's pokedex. I'm just saying that until then we should keep its status as "Unknown" because that's what it currently is. MCX (talk) 23:49, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
You can check the interview section in the LGPE guidebook if you don't believe that he explicitly has said that they're core titles. "These games aren't spinoffs. These are core Pokémon titles" is the exact quote. Since Meltan and Melmetal appeared in Gen 7 core titles, they're Gen 7 Pokemon. Simple enough. If for whatever reason they change that, then we'll change that too. But we don't really have any reason to believe otherwise. --celadonk (talk) 23:56, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Request to add Trivia section

I would like to see a Trivia section added to the bottom of the list, with the following single item:

  • With the sole exception of Type: Null, all English Pokémon names in this list are also used for Italian and Spanish languages. The names for Type: Null in Italian and Spanish are, respectively, Tipo Zero and Código Cero.

This is to avoid the need for any separate List of Italian Pokémon names and List of Spanish Pokémon names pages that would differ from this English page by ONLY ONE ROW. (Currently, those two page titles are redirects to the English list.) --SilSinn (TIDs: 768426S, 123446UM) (talk) 10:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Gen 8 Starters

Grookey, Scorbunny, and Sobble would be National Pokedex 810, 813, and 816. Can these numbers please be added? Kimichael4317 (talk) 05:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

We do not actually know that so no, they won't be added. --Raltseye prata med mej 05:43, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
We have no guarantee as to whether there would be another Victini-like scenario where a Mythical Pokémon would be enumerated right before the starters (as happened in Unova, twice). Hence why we cannot safely assume 810, 813, 816 – it could end up being 811, 814, 817. ​‑‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 07:52, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Zekrom has an extra space next to his name.

That is all. - unsigned comment from MrKarato (talkcontribs)

Fixed. And don't forget to sign your comments.--ForceFire 06:01, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Handling forms + smaller suggestions

As far as I can tell there's no pattern to how forms are handled on this page. Some Pokémon with alternate forms or major gender differences have their forms present, others do not. Frankly, since it’s a list of Pokémon species according to their number, no Pokémon with form differences should be even included in a different line. Either the alternate forms should be removed entirely, only including the “base” form, or the lines should be combined like on List of Pokémon with unique type combinations. Personally, I'd prefer to have no forms displayed-- it would make the page a whole lot cleaner and easier to use-- but I can see the purpose of displaying forms, so I think that something like this would be best:

Kdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
#026 #026 Raichu Raichu Electric
Raichu Electric Psychic

Again, I think that not displaying forms would be the best way to go, but either way, the current system of handling forms is unsatisfactory, both in the inconsistency between which forms are shown and which are not, and in the actual formatting of the forms.

Additionally, I have two smaller suggestions. First, I believe that it would be better to display the National Pokédex number before the regional Pokédex number, rather than vice versa, as this is a page on the National Pokédex, and that should take priority. Second, at the end of each section, there is no roundy template on the bottom, as you can see above, which makes the bottom of each section square and not as aesthetically pleasing. --celadonk (talk) 20:05, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

The problem with formes/forms is that there's many different kinds of forms. There's only visual forms (most male female differences/unown forms etc) and there's forms where the stats change (meowstic male/female for instance). There's forms where the typing changes (Wormadom/Necrozma's various forms). There's temporary forms that are only visible in battle (megas/greninja/cherubi). There's temporary forms that are changed by using an item or by depositing the pokemon or by whatever arbitrary reason (giratina/tornadus etc.). There's also regional forms, where a pokemon cannot change to the other form but is basically a different pokemon altogether (alolan and soon galarian forms). Maybe the list should just include all the base forms? And then there could be a seperate table listing all the additional forms for a pokemon?Jor1ss (talk) 12:40, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Information to readers

I want to modify the title section, but I have no permission. Could someone add the sentence “All English, Italian and Spanish Pokémon names are identical, but, depending on the language, they're pronounced differently.”? --TheICTLiker4 18:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

That's not relevant to the article at all.--ForceFire 04:13, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, most european languages use the same names as the English version anyway, in fact only German and French are the the ones that consistently differ. Unless you count the languages that use a different alphabet, only Serbian, Lithuanian and some more perhaps are the only ones that does not use the standard English names instead transcribing it to their own orthography. So I see no really point in mentioned them all here. A simple line like most other languages using the Latin alphabet also uses these names would suffice in my opinion.
I'm thinking maybe if it's okay with the staff around to make redirect for List of Swedish/Icelandic/Spanish/Romanian/etc. Pokémon names to this page.
Otherwise, if you're interested, at least one Spanish and Italian name do actually differ from the English name, Type: Null. I've made list articles about which names I have found being used in other languages here.
--Raltseye prata med mej 13:43, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Yamper and Impidimp

They're not on here for some reason? Can someone who can edit this page fix that?AztecCroc (talk) 13:33, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Aug 7 Trailer - New Pokémon

In the newest trailer, two new Pokémon (Obstagoon and Morpeko), as well as the Galarian forms of Weezing, Zigzagoon, and Linoone were revealed. I don't see them listed on this page yet, those Impidimp, which has still not been officially revealed is. CMP (talk) 18:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)


Currently, Galarian Meowth is missing from this list. MarioMiner (talk) 03:00, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Dex Shortcuts

Can we get the dex shortcuts removed or redirected correctly? They're just redirecting to the top of this page. Joe kik as (talk) 17:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

That's the point of the shortcuts. They're just redirects of this article, and they're there for reference.--ForceFire 04:32, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
But why is it at the top of the page if it's just redirecting to the top. If anything it should redirect to different pages corresponding to those links. Joe kik as (talk) 16:32, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
I already said why, they're there for reference. To let users know which shortcut to type out in the search bar if they wanted to find this article easier (since typing out the entire title would be a hassle). The other dex listings also have shortcuts that lead to their respective articles.--ForceFire 16:55, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Ndex as the first column

I think the Ndex number should probably be the first column. This is the main subject of this list.

The Ndex is currently the 2nd column, which seems like a secondary position. (even though in the case of the first 151 Pokémon, the numbers are the same) --Daniel Carrero (talk) 10:14, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

{{rdex}} is convenient. I don't think it's that big an issue to make another template just for this. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I'm with Daniel here. This is a list of Pokemon by National Pokedex number. Surely that should be the primary focus. --celadonk (talk) 18:19, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
I could do the job of creating a new template and editing this page if this idea is accepted. It could be simply a new template based on {{rdex}} with reverse parameters. A possible name could be {{nrdex}} (since {{ndex}} is taken) .--Daniel Carrero (talk) 00:50, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
The header is the only thing here that would need to be changed if this were to be done. --Abcboy (talk) 01:05, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Aside from that, we may also want to reverse the order of the numbers for each Pokémon in List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number, to make the wikitext match the resulting page. I can do this if needed. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 02:38, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Pokémon with different forms not present in the list

I don't understand the criteria for Pokémon with different forms, by the type of them:

Gender differences : We do not include the forms of Indeedee, Pyroar and Meowstic, But we allow Unfezant, Frillish and Jellycent?

Different permanent forms but with the same typing: Lycanrock and Toxtricity. But it allows other permanent forms, e.g. Shellos, Gastrodont and Basculin.

Different Forms and different types: Kyurem and Necruzma. But allows Castform, Rotom, Melloeta, Hoopa, Shaymin and Oricorio.

Different Battle forms but same types: Wishiwashi, Cherrim, Landorus, Thundurus, Tornadus, Kyurem, Keldeo, Greninja, Zygarde and Minior are not included. But Deoxis and Gyratina are on the list.

No applicable to the above criteria: Unown, Arceus, Deerling, Sawsbuck, Vivillon, The Flabébé Family and Furfrou. But we do have Burmy and Wormadam and Urshifu. (I understand that the Pokémon in this las criteria have a lot of forms, and that the reason of not their including is for space and order in the page)

Can some one please explain me the criteria for allowing the different forms selection?

--Neos 10:19, April 16 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it does seem rather arbitrary to me.
I think I've mentioned this above but this page is a list of Pokemon by number first and foremost. Including forms at all, imo, muddles the numbering up, at least for me. --celadonk (talk) 13:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
I think we should take out the unnecessary forms --Neos (talk) 00:36, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

You forgot NDex# of Galarian Slowking

Force Fire: You added NDex numbers for Galarian forms of Slowbro & the Legendary Birds (even if no menu sprites exist for them yet), but you forgot Galarian Slowking:


Given this page is protected, I cannot change the page myself; could you please provisionally change that line to:


‐⁠‑SilSinn (TIDs768426S123446UM💬 17:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Fixed --Spriteit (talk) 01:21, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
This page needs to be edited as Galarian Slowking's type was confirmed to be Poison/Psychic like Galarian Slowbro was. Kangaflora (talk) 19:01, 5 October 2020 (UTC)


Pokemon Home's Pokedex , after this morning's patch, seems to confirm that Kubfu, Urshifu, and Zarude are numbers 891, 892, and 893 respectively. That is all. Sorry if this text is really big for some reason.- unsigned comment from Zigzagoon97 (talkcontribs)

(Understandable) Style Inconsistencies

To be consistent with the style of the page before the Crown Tundra was released, only Calyrex's base form should be present, as neither Kyurem (which, admittedly, does not change type) nor Necrozma (which does change type, and thus should be treated exactly the same way as Calyrex) have their fusion forms present on this list. Alternatively, including Necrozma's forms, and possibly Kyurem's forms, would solve this issue. MarioMiner (talk) 22:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Another style inconsistency - in the Generation IV section of the page, Heatran, Regigigas, Cresselia, Phione, Darkrai, Shaymin, and Arceus, the Gen IV Pokémon without Sinnoh Pokédex numbers, have their portions of the "Sdex" column blank. However, Meltan, Melmetal, Kubfu, Urshifu, Zarude, Regieleki, Regidrago, Glastrier, Spectrier, and Calyrex, all Pokémon that do not appear in their respective generations' regional Pokédexes, have "#---" in their regional Pokédex (Adex for Meltan and Melmetal, Gdex for the rest) columns. MarioMiner (talk) 00:06, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Zygarde's Forms

Zygard seems to be the only Pokémon currently missing alternate forms. RomajiMiltonAmulo (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2021 (UTC)