Talk:List of Pokémon by National Pokédex number

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Gen VI

Could Aurorus and Tyrantrum be added to the page, or will they be added after this mystery Pokémon is revealed tomorrow? Scratch that. Aurorus, Tyrantrum, and Doublade need to be added. --The Truth aka Relicant 16:19, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

719, 720, 721

I remember reading somewhere that someone discovered Pokemon past Zygarde. Should we add them? Liberty Bell (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

We know about them, but we can't really confirm them since this time we neither can crack into the game to see all the data, nor they've been officialy revealed... at least for now. Uploader (talk) 14:39, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Cottonee's type change

Can anyone add Fairy type to Cottonee please, that's because it's evolution is also Fairy type. Thank you! Cinday123 (talk) 06:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

False typing

Cottonee and Whimsicott are not fairy type. Why do people keep stating that when you cannot even find them in x or y? --Admantus (talk) 19:07, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

You can't catch them yourself, but they are used by other Trainers in battle facilities, etc. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 20:19, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
And according to Serebii, Cottonee line is now Fairy type, however, you can't catch them in Kalos and the only way to get them is to transfer Pokémon from Black, White, Black 2 or White 2 to X or Y, this is because it is not available to catch in Kalos however you have a chance to see them in battle facilities whereas Trainers used Whimsicott. Cinday123 (talk) 08:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, Serebii might be wrong, because they haven't even updated the sprites for the other unobtainable pokemon that appear post-game. I think that the types should be switched back to pure grass until pokemon bank comes out. --Admantus (talk) 20:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with it. I mean, the information on Bulbapedia is always confirmed information. And any information that wasn't confirmed gets removed. So, the fact that Cottonee/Whimsicott being Grass/Fairy hasn't been removed or altered back to it's original information/typing means it's been confirmed. And like Cinday123 and others have said, just because you can't catch it in the Kalos region games doesn't mean you can't still obtain it. And that means, the information for Cottonee & Whimsicott are programmed in the games. So, I say let it be. DarienLeonhart (talk) 21:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


Is it just me or are the pokemon listed for gen VI out of order? Not like broken, but I see like 114 right after 93 and etc. ★☆Togetic45☆★ 18:58, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

It's not out of order. Those are the Pokemon's Kalos Dex numbers. The list is ordered by the National Dex numbers. --It's Funktastic~!話してください 19:05, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Secret Gen 6 Pokemon

What about those secret Pokemon from Gen 6? The ones after Zygarde? Shouldn't they be on here now? MegaNerd18 (talk) 11:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm so sorry, the Pokémon Company haven't revealed these mythical Pokémon so let's just leave it for now until it's revealed so we don't know yet. Cinday123 (Talk) 12:24, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Well I think the hacker who discovered the secret Pokemon is reliable because the Pokemon he found where: Hoopla, Volcanion, Daince, Fancy Vivillon, and the Mega Eon twins. Four out of six have revealed. If we do put in Hoopla and Volcaion when should put a little star (*) like on the list of Pokemon in the a area in the ranger game if you must release them after you catch them. --AbsolX (talk) 17:46, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Generation VI Sprites

Why there are no sprites for the new Pokémon introduced in X and Y? Dalton358 (talk) 20:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Because we don't have them and we don't allow taking from other sites without permission. Glik (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
I figured it would take longer to get them, because it's on a different system. I wonder how the other websites got their images. Dalton358 (talk) 21:41, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
They have 3DS capture cards. Few Bulbapedia users do, and the only ones I've seen with them have been focusing on other things, like Trainer images. Pumpkinking0192 (talk) 21:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Multiple Pokédeces in Generation VI

In the Generation VI, there are 3 Pokédeces: Kalos Central, Kalos Coastal and Kalos Mountain. For example:

  1. Chespin is Kalos Central #001
  2. Inkay is Kalos Coastal #010
  3. Goomy is Kalos Mountain #019

The list doesn't reflect it.

-Iosue (talk) 08:27, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

That's because this is the National Pokédex list. You want List of Pokémon by Kalos Pokédex number. --SnorlaxMonster 08:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Of course I understand that. I am not stupid. I can read. What I am suggesting is to add a very small token in front of each Kalos number to indicate if it is Central, Coastal or Mountain, as these are a part of the Generation VI dex. If there is no indication of the sub-region, the column of the table of Generation VI will have limited meaning here. I'd suggest you either delete the whole column, or add the small indication of which sub-region the number belongs to. -Iosue (talk) 04:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, that column is labelled VIDex, which will be misleading with the release of ORAS. --Abcboy (talk) 06:55, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
I concur with the main issue. Don't write completely undifferentiated numbers as if all you have to do is scroll through one Pokedex to find any given Pokemon; that's not at all the case. Do something like this:
VIdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
#001Ce #650 Chespin Chespin Grass
#002Ce #651 Quilladin Quilladin Grass
I would also strongly suggest linking the regional 'dex abbreviations in the headers so people can click on them and immediately jump to those 'dexes. (If this were done, this would make "VIdex" less "misleading".) I linked "VIdex" above, and I'll demonstrate the same for the other generations below...
Kdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
Jdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
Hdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
Sdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
Udex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
For that matter, I'd also suggest linking "Ndex" similarly in the header template so it links easily back here on the regional 'dex pages. ...And "Type" could also be linked, just because it's the sort of thing that should be clickable. Tiddlywinks (talk) 08:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
This is still an issue. Scatterbug and Sligoo are still labeled with the same number in the Kalos Dex without distinction. Also, Diancie needs its Kalos Dex number added (#151 in Central). --Abcboy (talk) 09:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
As Abcboy said, this remains an issue. I have taken the liberty of creating a user page that fixes the main issue in this discussion. The page also incorporates my idea for 'dex links in the headers, as well as renames the Kalos section's table header from "VIdex", a name that is not proper considering the existence of ORAS now.
I hope someone on staff will take a cursory look at my user page and then copy the code onto this page (give or take the headers, perhaps), so that this issue may finally be solved. Tiddlywinks (talk) 21:58, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Bump... Tiddlywinks (talk) 10:29, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


I noticed that the color coordination is not in accord with the Kalos National Pokédex. Shouldn't each region get the appropriate color attributed to them? Mr. Guye (talk) 20:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Interesting observation. I had never noticed the color coding in the Kalos National Pokédex before, but it's there, and is to my knowledge the first time an official source has used color coding to denote regions.
Bulbapedia currently uses specific colors for regions, but this particular page uses the colors of the first games taking place in those regions. Perhaps the colors for the tables on this page should be replaced with the region colors. Meanwhile, replacing the region colors themselves with the ones in X and Y is a discussion that should take place but might be too big for this page. I would recommend taking that up with a staff member. --AndyPKMN (talk) 18:36, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

The icon for diancie.

Now that Diancie has been released, you guys need to update this page to contain the sprite for diancie so it is no longer a grey question mark. Random Viewer

Flabébé line

We've done it for Shaymin, Burmy and Rotom (as well as others) and the sprites are in the Archives, so can an admin (since I can't edit the page) add on the different mini sprites of them, or explain to me why they aren't used on it? Thanks.--Ditto51/Tom (My Talk Page) 20:47, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Save space

Welcome. I got the idea, in which a list of Pokemon replace the tiles. It would have saved a lot of space and reduced the site to a minimum. Imagine this:

Ndex: #001
Grass Poison
Ndex: #002
Grass Poison
Ndex: #003
Grass Poison
Ndex: #004
Ndex: #005
Ndex: #006
Fire Flying
Ndex: #007
Ndex: #008
Ndex: #009

As you can see images of Pokémon will be bigger and will take less than half the length now. --Dominikololo (talk) 09:47, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't necessarily agree with this idea. It looks better and shows off a Pokémon's appearance in full instead of just resorting to the icon, yes, but it's a lot more complex to work with incase there's an error. If you want to make it, you can do it as a personal user page under something like User:Dominikololo/Visual National Pokédex just to give us a full example. Superjustinbros. (talk) 03:30, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Generation III

Considering the fact the Johto Pokédex part of the Gen II Pokémon section was updated to the newer version from HG/SS, it's probably best we update Hoenn's under the Gen III Pokémon section to the one from ΩR/αS. Nintendocan (talk) 00:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Hoopa Unbound and Dex numbers

Hoopa's Unbound form needs to be added. Diancie, Hoopa and Volcanion's Dex numbers also. Asmod96 (talk) 16:09, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

VIdex Ndex MS Pokémon Type
#150 #718 Zygarde Zygarde Dragon Ground
#151 #719 Diancie Diancie Rock Fairy
#152 #720 Hoopa Hoopa Psychic Ghost
#152 #720 Hoopa Hoopa Psychic Dark
#153 #721 Volcanion Volcanion Fire Water

Sun and Moon Legendary Mascots

Can someone who has access to editing this page add Solgaleo and Lunaala to the Gen VII list? They have been revealed along with the Alola starters, but remained nameless in the video. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 23:16, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

As you say, they are nameless. Until there is confirmation, we will not be assuming their names. Tiddlywinks (talk) 23:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Charjabug and Vikavolt

Shouldn't Charjabug and Vikavolt be immediately after Grubbin, seeing as they're its evolutions? Pokemega32 (talk) 13:55, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

I noticed that too; I think whoever renamed/added them meant to move both Rockruff and Komala down, but somehow missed Rockruff... AmoongussForLife (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
Just went to look at it and it seems SnorlaxMonster got it covered. Thanks for pointing it out. Too bad we don't know anything about their official numbering yet, but I guess they want to keep some things (how many 'Mons, for instance" a secret, so meh. CycloneGU (talk) 17:32, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


If Unfezant and Frillish line are included twice for both genders, shouldn't Hippowdon be added as well? Their appearance is quite different as well. Same goes for several other cases, if Hoopa and Meloetta have their forms added, why not Keldeo or Kami trio? Who decides what should appear and what shouldn't, and by what rule??? - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talkcontribs)

The Hippos, it may be because official art (see Hippopotas (Pokémon), the big image at the top) AFAIK has never depicted the female forms, while for Frillish and Unfezant it has.
The difference between Hoopa and Meoetta vs Keldeo and the Kami trio may be that the former change types when they change form. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:35, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Another contributing reason is that the game does not have gender-specific menu sprites for the Hippopotas family. Together with the lack of a type difference between genders, adding a seperate row for the other gender will not accomplish anything content-wise. Chenzw (talk) 16:49, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Basculin is also listed twice, by the way. Vivillon, that also changes menu sprite depending on forms, is only included once (understandably because of how many form differences it has).
I mean I was mostly asking, so thanks for "justifying" it. Also, regarding whether it adds anything content-wise - except for the type changing forms, nothing really adds any content (Frillish, Hippos, Unfezant, Basculin, Vivillon), which is why I was puzzled. Didn't seem like there was any actual reason to include multiples. But I guess Sugimori arts are a good enough reason (I just couldn't figure it out). - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talkcontribs)


Someone needs to add the recently revealed Pokemon, which I assume would include Alolan Forms (as they all change type.) AmoongussForLife (talk) 17:32, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

No, I think this page is better suited for the Pokémon with their natural Pokémon types to help prevent the page from getting too messy or confusing. This is why separate sub-pages are better suited to handling this such as the Mega Evolution page. -Tyler53841 (talk) 00:37, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
FWIW, the Alola Forms' types are no less natural than the forms we've always known. That said, we haven't yet decided whether we want the Alola Forms here or not. Tiddlywinks (talk) 00:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
I would think that the Alolan Forms should be added, as the type changes, it appears the Pokémon don't switch between the two (an Ice/Fairy Ninetales would have Ice Vulpix), and multiple entries are added for Darmanitan, which is a similar case. I suppose the second point is mostly speculation at this point, though, but I don't think it would hurt the page overall. AmoongussForLife (talk) 01:06, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Wimpod's types

Wimpod's types are Bug/Water, not Water/Bug. Someone should fix it. --RafaelGN (talk) 03:09, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:23, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Wishiwashi, Pyukumuku, and Morelull

This page still lists the japanese names even though the English names are revealed and confirmed and the pages for them use the English names. AztecCroc (talk) 14:16, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


Someone needs to add Rugarugan after Rockruff; it's been over a day. AmoongussForLife (talk) 17:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

I will try see if I can. Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 17:22, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
never mind I didn't know that the page is protected. Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 17:23, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
It hasn't been added because there is no page for it and it hasn't been officially revealed, it was leaked. The admins know what they are doing and it will be added when it gets added. --HoennMaster 17:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

why is this page protected?

why is this page protected? I want to add Rugarugan after Rockruff but I can't. Awesomevenustoise101 (talk) 17:25, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Most of the time it doesn't need to be changed, and when it does, we don't want people jumping the gun on rumors and stuff. Things like this we (as staff) update it when it's appropriate to do so. Tiddlywinks (talk) 17:48, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Rowlet National dex number and menu sprites

On the Pokémon Bank page on the official site, menu sprites for several Gen VII Pokémon have been shown, and Rowlet have been confirmed as #722. Here's direct links for the relevant images: Top screen, Bottom screen - RHeegaard (talk) 00:21, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm assuming that the reason only Rowlet, Litten, Popplio, and Pikipek were uploaded is because they are the only ones with numbers (I am curious where you got official evidence of Litten, Popplio, and Pikipek's numbers though?), but would it not be possible to upload the others as "DrampaMS.png" and such so that they can be listed? It would make the table easier to read, I think. It's also what we do with artwork (whereas Pikachu's artwork is File:025Pikachu.png, Drampa's is File:Drampa.png), so it's not like it goes against Bulbapedia's other efforts. Nutter Butter (talk) 03:05, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
In large part, most places where menu sprites are used simply cannot accomodate filenames like DrampaMS (this page being an excellent example of such a place). The few places it might be usable aren't really worth it. Tiddlywinks (talk) 03:20, 22 September 2016 (UTC)


Can we add: Steenee (Pokémon), Tsareena (Pokémon), Hakamo-o (Pokémon), Ribombee (Pokémon)? Kidburla (talk) 14:01, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

They've already been added. --Carmen (Talk | contribs) 14:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Seems they were added while I was typing the post. Kidburla (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
For future reference, if you just wait, someone will almost assuredly get to it soon enough. (I mean, if someone asked this every time there was a new reveal, this page would probably quickly end up bloated.) If it's 24 hours later, then it's late. Tiddlywinks (talk) 16:50, 14 October 2016 (UTC)


How come Castform has all of its forms on the list but Oricorio doesn't? --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 00:06, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Personally, it could be due to the criteria, but I cannot tell. So, here is a hopefully complete list of what Pokémon with multiple menu sprites appear and which do not.
From the group that does appear: Unfezant (Gender difference), Frillish (Gender), Jellicent (Gender), Castform (Ability), Deoxys (Form), Burmy (Form), Wormadam (Form), Shellos (Form), Gastrodon (Form), Rotom (Form), Giratina (Item), Shaymin (Item), Basculin (Form), Darmanitan (Ability), Meloetta (Move), Hoopa (Item), All Alolan Pokémon (Form)
From the group that does not appear: Pyroar (Gender difference), Meowstic (Gender), Ash-Greninja (Ability), Zygarde (Forme), Kyurem (Item), Cosplay Pikachu (Form), Pikachu (Unknown), Spiky-eared Pichu (Form), Unown (Form), Cherrim (Ability), Arceus (Item), Flabébé (Form), Floette (Form), Florges (Form), Deerling (Form), Sawsbuck (Form), Tornadus (Item), Thundurus (Item), Landorus (Item), Keldeo (Move), Vivillon (Form), Furfrou (Form), Aegislash (Ability), Oricorio (Item), Silvally (Item), Minior (Ability), All Mega/Primal Evolution Pokémon (Item/Move),
...So, basically, I would guess that this might have been potentially overlooked. Who is to say? Granted, I do understand that Unown, Vivillon, Arceus, and Silvally likely are excluded for a good reason. --Super goku (talk) 07:19, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
IMO, there definitely should be Oricorio with all its form, I thought that only forms with different type combination are added, but if there are also some gender differences... I even think there should be Mega Evolutions, if we will be adding forms. Asmod96 (talk) 08:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Most of these are probably missing because, as was mentioned in my "Hippowdon" question, they don't have official Sugimori art. Frillish has official art for both genders, while Hippowdon doesn't, hence it doesn't get two pictures. P weird reasonong, but I guess it works; Oricorio DOES have official art (in fact, most mentioned Pokemon do) and the forms change typing (good enough reason if you ask me), so I think someone should add them. Also, why can't we merge the forms into a single line (similarly to Pokémon with unique type combinations page)? - unsigned comment from KingisNitro (talkcontribs)


At the very top of the page, it still doesn't list Alola with the rest of the regions. AmoongussForLife (talk) 10:53, 17 January 2017 (UTC)