Talk:M12/Archive 1

Title translation

I'd like to note that 超克の時空 means the Space-Time of Overcoming/Conquering and not the other way around. Even if it doesn't make much sense, this means that "To the Conquering of Space-Time" is wrong and Serebii.net's "Towards The Overcome's Time Space" is the only English translation that seems correct with everyone else seemingly believing PokéBeach. I think we need to correct this before people memorize the incorrect translation that we apparently see almost everywhere. As for whether "overcoming" or "conquering", to me "overcoming" sounds more accurate, but I can't say for sure as I'm not a native English speaker. It should be considered that the official movie website has an explanation for the word which says that it means "to overcome difficulties/pain": http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/chokoku/ --nYoo 13:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Japanese is amazing eh? Considering everyone (including Serebii) has changed it to "To the Conquering of Space-Time" (and remember, the previous translation we had was "Towards Overcoming the Space-Time Void") there's either, A: a really bad translation going around, or B: People are all getting this from one source, i.e. the movie poster. Aura-Knight 13:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't see where you read "To the Conquering of Space-Time" on Serebii.net - I clearly read "Towards The Overcome's Time Space" there. Are you trying to tell us that the poster has an English version of the title? If so, would you kindly point out where exactly I can see this on the poster?! --nYoo 15:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

What I meant was that most people over there are refering to it as such and Serebii himself has said that he is busy for the holidays, so it hasn't been changed yet. This universal translation; just accept it, its tenative anyway, we get the real title in Jan. And also, I can't read a word of Japanese, but if hundreds of fans can agree on a title, that says something. Aura-Knight 16:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

I would be willing to accept it as a universal translation, but your reasoning to call it that is pretty flawed. The number of people who can really tell whether the translation is accurate is by far less than "hundreds", most just take what is written and take it as confirmed as long as it isn't corrected. And if you say yourself that you can't read Japanese, why are you taking part in this discussion then? I mean, I don't mind your input, but you don't seem to belong to the people who can validate a translation either. It also isn't as tenative as you seem to think. Going by how Japanese movie titles have been in previous years, the title (and the logo) will be almost the same in its final version, only having a Pokémon name added to it - most likely it will be something like "超克の時空へアルセウス". And that's why we need to work out a more accurate translation as the order of words/kanji in the title can't just be a mistake, or at least it's not safe at all to assume so. Now if nobody else is interested in discussing this, I assume I shouldn't just go about changing the article and moving it. I'd be glad if someone with more knowledge of Japanese could contribute to this discussion. --nYoo 11:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Arceus

I'll clear one thing up before I kick off the main point of the message: I fully believe that a movie featuring Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and Spear Pillar will feature Arceus. HOWEVER, in the blurb for PikaProj09 on the movie list article (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_movie) it is stated that the movie is "expected to feature Arceus." By whom? By whomever happened to write that sentence. I don't think that should be there until there is some actual proof beyond opinion. LordArceus

Opinion... of 90% of the fandom. TTEchidna 08:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but does that even matter? No doubt we will have it confirmed soon, we can readd it then. LordArceus 03:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Here is a photo that could help with proving Arceus is in the movie. The pic is from pokebeach but they only outlined part of what seems to be part of the "pointed ring" that is showed in the light.I circled the other parts. Looking at it from different angles, sometimes I think i can see its ears and a small part of its head. But that's what i think i saw so i didn't circle it. You can see it very well in the first pic. Since many people say that arceus is in the movie, I'd say this is very good proof.

Sorry it is so small as soon as I enlarge it, I will upload it.

Edit: OK, so here is the enlarged pic, I know the arceus parts are faded, but you can still see the major parts. File:Arceus-comparison 2.jpg

Once I get the trailer, I will be able to upload a MUCH better and clearer picture. Pikachugal 02:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Calm down, friend. Arceus in this movie is too obvius. But IT IS UNCONFIRMED. We just have to wait for an official source --Nick., something to say? 02:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I just saw the new trailer on the japanese website and i am absolutely entranced by the mysterious golden blur that appears for only like half a second in the middle of the video. [1] [2] [3] Morgil27 20:56, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Naming

You know, since we don't go moving around every episode to its English title... why don't we move all of the movies to Pikachu Project (year)? Anyone think it'd be a good idea? TTEchidna 08:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I dunno, in my opinion it's a bad idea

does that mean we change all the Pokémon to their national dex number too?----Ultamatecharizard 22:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Think about it...Makes sense!

"The producers went to Greece in August, 2008; this confirms the basis for the movie's setting." And looking at the above posts about Arceus. Now, I know a little about Myths and things, and remember how many gods they had in Greece, back in days far gone? Anyone else think that setting a movie in a place were they were once many Mythological Gods would be a good place for the so called "God Pokémon"? C: Just a theory. ~~Takoto| サソデイ 09:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Still doesn't make it official. Even if the odds point to Arceus being in the movie, we're waiting until Arceus is actually confirmed to appear in the movie to add that information. --Shiningpikablu252 16:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I said it was 'just a theory' D: I never said it was official! ~~Takoto| サソデイ 16:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Then why does this page (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_movie) still talk about Arceus? May I please remove that? LordArceus 03:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Bulbapedia is not for theories. And yes, that thing about Arceus should be removed. --Nick., something to say? 03:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

New Pokemon Speculation.

Ok, Guys, I just want to say that, those of you still maintaining the site, I'll keep in the part on the Gen V Pokémon reveal speculation until December the 15th, only then, can we determine whether it should be kept in (As most of the info for the movie will be unveiled on that date.), if there is no mention of any Pokémon belonging to the new generation (not even showing a sihlouette, for that matter) then we must remove that tidbit. Got it? good. Weedle Mchairybug 19:49, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

didn't seribii say it was going to be tommorow? Ultamate_Charizard 20:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Strange... the article says that it's December 15th, Oh well... Weedle Mchairybug 20:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

The default for any speculation is to take it out no matter how much of the fandom believes it, not to leave it an article just because we can't disprove it. You also can't disprove that Nintendo may reveal a Gen VI Pokémon on the same day, but since we have no proof we don't state it. I'm going to delete whatever it is you're talking about unless you can change my mind. LordArceus 20:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Can someone upload a picture of the unkown Pokémon siloette from DP104? I think thats the right Episode ShinyPika <3 ALS 22:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Here are two pics of the electric type. One of them i added an arrow and circle to the part of the pokemon that was showing. I think these are good pics for the page. The original photo is from pokebeach.

Pikachugal 01:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

is it just me?

can anyone see the other pictures here? Ultamate_Charizard 20:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

What images? If you're referring to the two links above, they were deleted for being copyright violations since they were stolen from Pokébeach, one of them altered. --Shiningpikablu252 23:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Eclipse

Check it out, the three legendary titans are battling during a total solar eclipse. I'll leave it to others to point out signifigance but it is noteworthy. Aura-Knight 23:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

seeing how time and space are probably going to get ripped a new one in this movie that eclipse would be fitting Ultamate_Charizard 20:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh gawd if anyone makes a "Twilight" reference you will get aura sphered!!!Rucario64 18:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

wait I just looked on wikipedia and apparantly there's a solar eclipse around the time of it's release Ultamate_Charizard

Why Pichu? A couple intrepretations

• A. This Pichu is captured by Brock sometime soon.
• B. This Pichu is owned by the major human character of the film.
• C. This Pichu is Pikachu before he was given to Ash. Edit: Since it has been confirmed that Pichu is female, it could be Ash's Pikachu's Mother.
• D. Just a wild Pichu that just so happens to be in the right place at the right time.
• E. Pichu is a manifestation of a portion of Arceus's powers/emotions that it sealed off

Edit: A friend pointed out E. Aura-Knight 22:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Those seem to be the only major possibilities, and I get the third from Space-Time Void Aura-Knight 22:27, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Or it isn't actually Pichu, but a Poké that looks just like it. The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 22:29, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I actually like idea C. When do we get a release date for this thing? TTEchidna 01:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

No idea. Hmm... I gotta wonder why it has that spiky ear though... maybe they're lieing and it WILL be a gen V Pokémon! *Laughs at self* The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 01:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it is one of the Pichu Bros. and the other one was lost due to the fighting between the Dragon Trio, and this one is looking for his lost brother. ^Maverick_Nate 01:51, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Except for the fact that it looks nothing like one of the Pichu Bros. And before you say it, the distortion could have changed his ears? I don't think so. Anyways, I figured C. would be the favorite, its the one I'm rooting for. Aura-Knight 01:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Maybe Dawn captures the Pichu. She's already somewhat like Ash already, what with the disobedient Mamoswine, the unevolved, overshown, initially unfriendly starter, the seeing a legendary at the start of her journey, need I go on? - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talk • contribs) 02:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

It is important to point out that nobody ever captures a Pokémon in the movies, so Brock or Dawn capturing it is probably very unlikely to happen. Personally, I back up the thought of it being Ash's Pikachu from the past (as Dialga controls time. - ElectricArbok 18:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

(Resetting indent)@ ElectricArbok: Yes, but Ash's Pikachu does not have spiked ears. Why would an abnormality like that change? LordArceus 17:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

It changed when (s)he evolved. The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 17:52, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

What I meant was "Why would an abnormality like that change when it evolved?" It's possible but unlikely. (Shiny Pokémon stay shiny, for instance.) LordArceus 17:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Serebii.net pointed out since the Pichu was confirmed to be a female, it may hint more gender differences in Generation V. - ElectricArbok 12:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Or maybe even G/S remakes. They might roll out some new gender differences there, if they ever comes to be...--Shiningpikablu252 19:16, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I know. I mean, if they could give Rotom, Shaymin, and Giratina new forms within the same generation that they were introduced in with different games, whose to say they can't add in a few gender differences in two different games of the same generation, anyways? Weedle Mchairybug 21:05, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

But then that would mean that this Pichu isn't all that special. Is that gonna happen? Most likely not (Also, subpoint: why would there be different gender difference for different regions? That doesn't happen in the real world.) Aura-Knight 22:20, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure that this Pichu has something special,or is that itself.And I don't mean the notched ears!Uxie http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/f/f8/Ani407MS.gif 10:59, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Posters

I have the posters needed for this article. And can someone look at the website? They have the specific reading for the kanji now.

• Movie12 Poster.jpg

  Toward Overcoming the Space-Time Void movie poster

• Promo PokemonMovie12.JPG

  Pikachu the Movie poster

Uhm, that Pichu clearly has two ears. One is just partially obscured by Pikachu's head. Lucentas 18:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

who said anything to the contrary? The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 18:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I dunno, I think I saw something on the forums where people were saying it only had one ear or something...but I could have been half-asleep and misreading everything, it's happened before, haha. Anyway, another point that nobody seems to have pointed out yet, the Pichu is on the poster for the Pikachu short, not the movie itself, so it's useless to speculate about what role it might have in the movie. Lucentas 18:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

You make a good point there... there is no actual confirmation that the Pichu is the Pokémon that was hidden. Gen V. is back on! The Dark Fiddler - Smarter than the average bear! 18:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I didn't quite say that... There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that the Pichu was indeed the hidden Pokémon, although why they'd want to make a Pichu a "surprise" is beyond me... Lucentas 18:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Look at its eyes. They're the same brown as another Pokémon on that poster. TTEchidna 19:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow I can't belive that they might just give Pikachu a relative!!! Awsome I can't wait for more info! Rucario64 18:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo Owned Everyone (Including Me)

Nintendo is amazing. - unsigned comment from LordArceus (talk • contribs)

Whoops. LordArceus 17:40, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I must say, they're total jerks for that. TTEchidna 20:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Percent chance of Galactic, importantly Cyrus, appearing?

100%? Less? TTEchidna 21:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if they are going to appear in the movie since something like this hasn't happened since the first movie. I could be wrong anyway. Jmath 21:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Considering the fact that Galactic has already appeared in the series and the writers seem to be giving them more screen time/development than most previous teams (relative to their importance in the game, I mean), I feel it's at least worth a second thought that Cyrus will probably appear later in the series instead of in this movie; either that, or the writers are finally going to abandon their unspoken policy of keeping movie canon (mostly) separate from series canon. Lucentas 21:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

They've got the Spear Key, Adamant and Lustrous Orbs. Movie 12 obviously takes place in an area inspired by Greece (Spear Pillar) and features Arceus. They know we were disappointed in the hour special they laid out for Groudon and Kyogre, so they want to remedy it. TTEchidna 22:08, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

But usually stories like these culminate in the series not in a movie. Bar the first one, Movies and series are most of the time entirely disjoined. Jmath 22:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

But like I said, the writers have been pretty ambitious this series--maybe they've decided to go ahead and tie a theatrical release directly to the show. I just think we need to weigh both possibilities equally and not assume that Cyrus will be in it just because the dragon trio will be (and possibly Arceus) until we get more information. Although, they could settle for a happy medium of sorts, something like having Cyrus appear in the movie but never in the series, and just have the Galactic admins make allusions to him in the series. I think it's pretty up-in-the-air right now; considering the fact that the previous two movies have involved members of the dragon trio without involving Cyrus, it's not like it would be impossible for them to pull off a movie featuring them and Arceus and not include Cyrus. Lucentas 22:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Did they appear in the first two? Survey says: Nope! The battle has nothing to do with Cyrus and his flunkies anyway Aura-Knight 22:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

You know that Cyrus's debut wasn't till AFTER the movie premiered, right?- unsigned comment from TorchicBlaziken (talk • contribs)

That's true...didn't consider that. But I still think it's possible for them to pull off a plot about the dragon trio and Arceus without him. Lucentas 22:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Meh, never stopped them before Aura-Knight 22:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

That's highly likely to include Team Galactic and Cyrus, not to mention the fact that it can also boost tickets sales! -Billy4b2004 09:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

The only thing I can see that may boost ticket sales is the inevitable Arceus giveaway. Besides, Pokémon was unphased by going up against Studio Ghibli this year so it doesn't really need help on the popularity front.

Team Magma were in six and while I can see them having that role, a plotline started in the series should conclude in the series. We'll probably be around the start of the league tournament by July anyway. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 09:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Can we please

Can we please put Piplup on the cast sheet? You know it's going to be there. And please don't give me the "unconfirmed" lecture. It was in the first two movies, is featured on the poster for this and the previous Pikachu movie. I get why you might not want it for the regular episodes but, come on now... There is really no good reason it wouldn't appear. Do you really think after all the writers have done with Piplup so far that there really going to make it skip a movie appearance? Or are you going to get all mad at me if I add it on the cast sheet? Face it, Piplup IS the new Togepi. --ケンジのガール 09:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. Found out officially that it's in the movie. --ケンジのガール 10:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

It's better than Togepi, believe me. At least it does something. TTEchidna 21:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)