Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex

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This talk page is for discussions about the contents of Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex, questions relating to species content, or proposing new ideas for the project as a whole.

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• What is the point of this?
• Upgraded Pokémon Infobox
• Add tabbers for available Pokémon's learnsets by generation
• Pokemon Ranger Sprites and Wild Pokemon Attacks
• Inconsistency in the Pokemon Infobox image(s) for species with forms and gender differences
• Add availability on Pokemon Champions?

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What is the point of this?

I've never really gotten the point of why articles are titled like Pikachu (Pokémon) instead of just Pikachu. Can someone explain the reasoning behind this? CuteShaymin (talk) 21:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

You can read up on our policy page here here. The reasoning is also given a much more in depth explanation by the Editor in Chief of the time here: Help talk:Disambiguation/Archive 1#Why we use the (Pokémon) in the first place?. ^Maverick_Nate 23:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Upgraded Pokémon Infobox

We are upgrading the Pokémon infobox to be more user and mobile friendly, prioritize useful data, and shift some obsolete items elsewhere in the species articles. Our current sample from Tiddlywinks is here: Infobox Sample. Feedback is welcome, and opinions on what items should be included and why are appreciated. ^Maverick_Nate 04:02, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

That is horribly useless it loses a whole bunch of data that isn't anywhere else. Catch Rate, Hatch Speed, EXP Yield, EXP Group, Color, Footprint, Friendship, Shape.AztecCroc (talk) 20:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

I think we can reasonably move some of that info elsewhere without it needing to take up prime real estate in the infobox. Is there any info you've listed that you feel would be crucial for keeping at the top of the page? Personally, I think things like "footprint" really don't need to be there, and aren't useful/practical data that most players need or readers would be looking for. I'm happy to be proven wrong though. Landfish7 10:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)

Why should we move it elsewhere? As it stands currently you can get everything except moveset and stats just from looking at the infobox. Having everything about the Pokemon in one place is far more useful then having to jump around all over the place just because someone thought it looked better on mobile.AztecCroc (talk) 20:30, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

This is just a draft, we might end up bringing some elements back, while moving others I think. In any case, the infobox will be remade not only for a better mobile experience, but also because it has a enormous technical debt under the hood. — Lakelimbo (talk) 00:00, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Add tabbers for available Pokémon's learnsets by generation

Now that the TabberNeue has been set up, I am wondering if we can repurpose the learnset sections' structure using transcluded tabbers for available Pokémon's learnsets by generation.

Take the page Bulbasaur for example. If the proposal gets approved, then this is what the structure of the learnset section for the Bulbasaur page will look like:

===Learnset===
<tabbertransclude>
Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Generation IX learnset|Generation IX
Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Generation VIII learnset|Generation VIII
Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Generation VII learnset|Generation VII
Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Generation VI learnset|Generation VI
Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Generation V learnset|Generation V
Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Generation IV learnset|Generation IV
Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Generation III learnset|Generation III
Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Generation II learnset|Generation II
Bulbasaur (Pokémon)/Generation I learnset|Generation I
</tabbertransclude>

Next off is an example of the Oricorio page. Despite being unobtainable in Generation VIII, Oricorio is obtainable in the Generation IX games Pokémon Scarlet and Violet. As such, if the proposal gets approved, then this is what the structure of the learnset for the Oricorio page will look like:

===Learnset===
<tabbertransclude>
Oricorio (Pokémon)/Generation IX learnset|Generation IX
Oricorio (Pokémon)/Generation VII learnset|Generation VII
</tabbertransclude>

Here's an example of the Xerneas page. Despite being obtainable in the Generation VIII games Pokémon Sword and Shield, Xerneas is unobtainable in the Generation IX games Pokémon Scarlet and Violet. If the proposal gets approved, then this is what the structure of the learnset section for the Xerneas page will look like:

===Learnset===
<tabbertransclude>
Xerneas (Pokémon)/Generation VIII learnset|Generation VIII
Xerneas (Pokémon)/Generation VII learnset|Generation VII
Xerneas (Pokémon)/Generation VI learnset|Generation VI
</tabbertransclude>

Last but not least, an example of the Furfrou page. Furfrou is unobtainable in the Generation VIII games Pokémon Sword, Shield, Brilliant Diamond, and Shining Pearl and Pokémon Legends: Arceus and the Generation IX games Pokémon Scarlet and Violet. If the proposal gets approved, then this is what the structure of the learnset section for the Furfrou page will look like:

===Learnset===
<tabbertransclude>
Furfrou (Pokémon)/Generation VII learnset|Generation VII
Furfrou (Pokémon)/Generation VI learnset|Generation VI
</tabbertransclude>

It is important to know that the TabberNeue extension will be useful for learnset sections. That way, if the proposal gets approved, then we will not only create the Generation IX learnset subpages for Pokémon available in Scarlet and Violet, but also use the <noinclude> tags around the {{pokelinkback}} template. Would that be a great idea? SaturnMario, his talk and his contributions 01:43, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

I already have a demo of this, over at Sandbox/Bulbasaur → Learnset.

It uses {{LearnsetTabber}} as a template, instead of having to add the <tabbertransclude> tag to manually pages. Having a template would also be easy to update for future generations. Note: The Template will currently only work for Gen 1 Pokemon, only because I haven't added the conditional yet (which should just be a simple #switch). I also had't considered Pokemon that were unobtainable in a middle generation, such as your other 3 examples above, so thank you for pointing that out.

I also suggest to wrap the actual learnset tables on learnset subpages in <onlyinclude>s, to exclude any header info like {{pokelinkback}}s, and any footer info like Categories or Interwiki links. (Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8) As you said, we will need separate pages for the latest generation learnsets, which we currently don't have and will need to create. → SuperPikaPool13 22:22, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

However, there are a number of concerns with tabber-transcluding the learnsets this way:

1. With 9 (right now) different pages with learnset tables to be included on the main species pages, there are concerns that this might break the max page size.
2. The subheadings that are defined inside the <tabbertransclude> tag don't show up in the TOC. This includes the subheadings such as "By leveling up", "By TM", etc. This would cause issues when linking directly to the section.
3. The demo did not consistently function correctly on the mobile skin at the time it was tested.
4. Additionally, 9 tab headers would need horizontal scrolling on thinner screens, which is also something that is preferred to be prevented.
5. The Tabber functionality (regular tabs as well as transcludes) needs JavaScript (JS) to be enabled for it to work. We would need to also consider a workaround in the case some readers have disabled JavaScript.

I would like to your hear thoughts on this, as well as concerns and possible solutions from the wider community. In the meantime, feel free to use the Sandbox Demo linked above (or your own) to test out this feature or suggest improvements to it. → SuperPikaPool13 22:23, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

Pokemon Ranger Sprites and Wild Pokemon Attacks

I'd like to add the sprite images for Pokemon from the Ranger games, as well as maybe including the attacks wild/ controlled Pokemon can use during captures. I know similar information for other games are included. Could the templates be updated so this information can be added? Drjwho (talk) 17:52, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

Inconsistency in the Pokemon Infobox image(s) for species with forms and gender differences

I first mentioned this to Coffee after noticing their name in some relevant page edit histories. After some discussion, they suggested I move the topic here. Our prior discussion can be found here.

In short, the images shown in the Pokemon Infobox are inconsistent across species and are misleading for some with multiple forms or gender differences. I used Wooper, Milotic, Hippopotas, Hippowdon, and Combee as specific examples with Coffee, but there are many others. Then there are Frillish, Unfezant, Meowstic, etc., which are inconsistent with the previous species by having their gender differences properly represented.

What is the rationale for this? Acetone15 (talk) 17:23, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

A lot of this may fall under a potential {{Pokémon Infobox}} update or an overall organizational and formatting overhaul for species pages. Perhaps in the future we will have a default image, but some sort of toggle to show gender differences or other forms, or we may decide to show gender differences in the Biology section. I think you bring about an important discrepancy, but it would likely be best addressed down the line (hopefully soon) alongside some of the other issues that have been brought up recently with the infobox.

For now though, I think it will provide the most stylistic consistency to use the official key artwork intended to represent the species. My concern otherwise is that we have cases like Torchic whose only different is a speck on its back sprite; I think most would agree that it would not be an excellent solution to prominently feature two back sprites of Torchic in the infobox at the top of the page to showcase this difference. Landfish7 17:36, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, Torchic is a good counterexample.

And to be clear, I agree that consistent art style is a valid rationale. Regardless, my suggestion is just to have a clear indicator of the existence of forms and gender differences near the infobox image(s), whether that is in the infobox, the introductory text, or an overall organizational and formatting overhaul.

Are the other issues with the infobox you mentioned documented somewhere and, if so, is that where this discussion should be? Acetone15 (talk) 23:41, 22 April 2026 (UTC)

Add availability on Pokemon Champions?

Should there be a line in the game availability section for each Pokémon whether they are obtainable/usable in Pokemon Champions, in line with other side games? EpicScizor (talk) 11:21, 11 June 2026 (UTC)