Bulbapedia talk:Project Pokédex/Archive 3

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About external links and fan shrines...

I couldn't help but notice that within the Project Pokedex section, it is mentioned that Pokemon can receive not only wikipedia links but fan shrine links, too.

Now, before I jumped ahead of myself, I checked a few of the obviously more popular Pokemon, like Eevee or Pikachu. You can't go wrong with that. What I noticed is that the only fan stuffs listed is fanlistings, though. While that's something, it is what it is... a list. Granted, Poke-centric (that is, non human) shrines seem to be hard to come by in the 'States for some reason.

So, my question is, what would I have to do to get a fan shrine listed? Does there have to meet certain requirements? Is it necessary that it's a fanlisting? The site is in English, in case you're wondering. I know the ratio of Japanese artsy Poke-centric sites to US ones is extremely skewed in their favor, so I can see where that could be a concern, if a concern at all. --Nidorino 16:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I would say in this matter, it's more quality that matters than notability. If you have a site that is good enough to be of interest to someone looking for some sort of information on the Pokémon - go ahead and add it. But if it's something that's low-quality and not useful, expect to see the link removed shortly after.

Also, I would rule that foreign language sites can also be included - but with stricter inclusion standards, at the bottom of the external links list, and with its language included in parentheses so people don't click expecting an English site and get something in a different language. --Pie ^~♪♫ 18:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's actually more interesting and for leisure than it is informational. I sorta made it both because I thought the Nidoran line was severely underappreciated and I got a little tired of the thousands of informational Pokemon sites but no fun multimedia ones. I suppose for what it's worth, it'll probably be really nice for any Pokemon fan since there's lots to see and do (for a Nido centric site, it's actually doing really well), I put a lot of work into it as well.

The quality lies in the content, I go all out on what talents I have all for the sake of Nido Pokemon. There's also people who share the same idea, so a lot of contributions have come from people all over, it's probably one of the biggest Nido fan gatherings, which truthfully isn't a hard goal to aspire for considering the Pokemon in question. My main reasoning behind it, though, is that I just think that Nido fans shouldn't be left out of the picture, considering I know how hard it is to find anything interesting about them at all.

So I guess what it comes down to is what one wants. It someone's trying to read hard facts, well, they could do that anywhere. But if someone's looking for something fun and different, that's the goal I want to accomplish.

Would that still be okay?--Nidorino 18:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Biology

There's been a bit of controversy over the content in the biology section of Typhlosion's article. It may be an idea to keep an eye over the stuff that goes in that section. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

... how in the world did we miss that? D: --Pie ^~♪♫ 00:34, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Diamond and Pearl Pokéradar

In relation to the Pokeradar in Daimond and Pearl. Should it be mentioned in the Rarity section like Nidoran♀ (Pokémon) or in the Location section like Venonat (Pokémon). Just asking so that there can be some consistancy in the articles. Pterodactal 08:44, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Do we need to point out that the Pokéradar Pokémon are rare? If not, we have a free space to fit it in:

Game	Rarity	Location
Pokémon Diamond and Pearl	Pokéradar	Route 201

Otherwise, I prefer how Venonat looks. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 17:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

They aren't always rare. And I've been adding in an availability template to Pokémon pages:

This Pokémon was unavailable prior to Generation III.
Generation I Red Blue None Trade Blue (Japan) None Trade Yellow None Trade
Generation II Gold Silver None Trade Crystal None Trade
Generation III Ruby Sapphire Few Shoal Cave Emerald Few Shoal Cave FireRed LeafGreen None Trade Colosseum None Trade XD None Trade
Generation IV Diamond Pearl Rare Routes 216 and 217, Acuity Lakefront (Poké Radar) Platinum None Trade HeartGold SoulSilver None Trade Pal Park None Pokéwalker None
Generation V Black White None Trade Black 2 White 2 None Trade Dream World None
Generation VI X Y None Trade

That's what Snorunt has. TTEchidna 01:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm missing how that template affects the current issue. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 21:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. So what about those in the Trophy Garden but need the pokéradar to be found. Should this be mentioned in the location section as well as that they are found in the Trophy Garden? The question was raised when looking at the Meowth page.

Yes, it should mention on both pages. And the page is on Meowth, Meowth is a disambiguation page, so you'd better use the {{p}} template. TTEchidna 18:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok but what about the PokéRadar in the Trophy Garden?Pterodactal 10:03, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean? TTEchidna 00:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

All of the pokemon that change daily in the Trophy Garden eg Happiny, Porygon and Mime Jr. require Pokeradar to find. Should this be mentioned in the template's location section? Pterodactal 06:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Do they? If so, well, do like Snorunt. Put "Trophy Garden (Poké Radar)" in the dparea thing. TTEchidna 09:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The Trophy Garden Pokémon don't need Poké Radar. You just need to walk around a lot. - - - dra2k4 09:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

DONE THANKS GUYS Pterodactal 11:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Tiers

Might it be a good idea to create a category for each tier of Pokémon, as of Diamond/Pearl? It would be a bit easier for people to find out what tier their Pokémon is by just scrolling down, as opposed to navigating to the list of tiers page.

Well, I dunno, it's really more arbitrary than others. For example, I consider Gorebyss to be pretty good, but I've never used Skarmory. And let's not forget that the list of tiers is in need of cleanup; it seems pretty damn opinionated (and that's not because it says that Typhlosion is "not recommended for use outside of its tier"). After all, any Pokémon can be good if you can figure out how to make it that way. Heck, it's my opinion that the list of tiers is the same sort of "we'll tell you how to play Pokémon and not let you have fun" thing as that recommended movesets thing that was here a while back. Also, don't forget to sign comments with ~~~~. TTEchidna 02:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry about that. Fair point I guess, but it might be handy for competitive players in particular kinds of battle, Never-Used for example. Blink 15:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

True, but eh. We have many of their level-up movesets, and most of their learnable TMs and HMs listed, as well as their base stats. Itdoes take a bit of investigating, still, to see whether the move in question on their list is Physical or Special, though, but as for how to change this? Beats me...

I do think, however, that that would be a better thing to do. Let people make up their own strategies, we'd possibly get more variety in teams. After all, I know that I figured out that Typhlosion wasn't as good with variety on my own, since it can barely learn any Special moves that aren't Fire, but it took me a bit of searching. I'm gonna do some experimenting in my sandbox about how to indicate the Physical/Special/Status moves in my sandbox. TTEchidna 01:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Are tiers just a fandom thing, or was there ever an official list published, even for RSE/FRLG etc?Blink 14:45, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

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Far as I know they're just a fandom thing. I've never seen an official Nintendo list that says, outright "CATERPIE SUCKS NEVER EVER EVER USE IT." even if everyone knows this to be true. TTEchidna 19:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

So any pokemon can be useful eh? Weedle vs. T-Tar lol.

Nintendo hasn't said not, therefore, yes, Weedle vs Tyranitar is fine. Frickin' go for it. TTEchidna^G_SDS! 03:33, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Learnsets

Okay, I know we'll all agree that other sites that indicate the type and category of a move on the Pokémon's page are helpful for quick lookers. Sure, we shouldn't add power, accuracy, PP, and all that, but at the very least the type and category of the move.

So this is what I've come up with for Bulbasaur. It still indicates STAB, if a person's too lazy to scroll up to see what types the Pokémon is, and for Gen IV, it indicates Physical/Special in addition to type so that a person can pick out moves depending on the stats of the Pokémon as well as its types.

Thoughts? I certainly think that this could make the Pokémon pages much better than they are. TTEchidna 09:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I think you could be on to something here. It even looks a bit better, aesthetically speaking, than the current table. Blink 19:24, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks very nice. I feel sorry for you though, having to do that 492 more times. Zurqoxn 06:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah... unless I get some help... TTEchidna 06:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

That's very good. I like the layout better than the current one, since it seems easier to read and clearly shows whether a move is physical, special or status. -DarkMazer 03:37, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Now the best question. Wanna help me add them to all the rest?

Also: I have a new, possibly more improved proposal. Check it out. This way, when we get Gen V, VI, VII, and so on... we won't have to move stuff around besides the current moveset. TTEchidna 10:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I like your design. *nod* I would say leave it as separate tables on the same pages for Gen V but when we get to Gen VI change it to separate pages altogether. Though that would be a lot of work of converting all the pages. Perhaps we should start changing the pages once we hear Gen VI will be released? (If it does :P)dra2k4 19:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't really be much work, per se, if we already have all of the movesets organized into those tables-within-tables like Bulbasaur and some others have. TTEchidna 09:45, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

So when can we get started on changing them? - - - dra2k4 10:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Body shape

In GenIV, rather than by colour, Pokémon are able to be searched by a general body shape... Unfortunately, these categories are all symbols rather than names. This would make it hard to be included here, but I thought I'd put forth the idea anyway: Sort Pokémon by body shape, like we do with colour. The first thing, though, is that we'd have to come up with an agreeable standard on what each category should be named (since it doesn't do that for us). Just putting forth the idea for discussion, and whether or not the community thinks it would be useful. --DarkfireTaimatsu 04:36, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

We definately want to have some coverage on it but, as you say, it's going to be diffcult to implement. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

So, anyone got any ideas for this? TTEchidna 02:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

How about we get the sprites from the game for it? As for the category.. um.. "Body Shape 1 Pokémon", etc? That's a suggestion I have. Tina^☆♥♫ 03:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

But who'll say which is which? TTEchidna 05:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Alternate Coloration

I've been having plans for starting a subsection to the biology section that describes a Pokémon's alternate coloring. But the thing is, TinatheKirlia told me that such a subsection would be unnecessary because the sprite templates on each article. But I (was with TTEchidna, apparently) believe that describing what a Pokémon's shiny version looks like would be better.--Pokencyclopedia 20:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

It seems no more redundant than describing the normal form in the first place... --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 22:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Eh, I really think that there are more important things than telling what color a Pokémon is when shiny, but most especially since the sprites do so, and easily demonstrate the differences among the generations (Bulbasaur itself is tan in Gen II, but green with a dark green bulb in III and IV). TTEchidna 23:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes the shiny colors (I think this is why) in GenII is because of the limitations of the GBC. Some simple colors, such as Red Gyarados, stay but others such as Bulbasaur and Charizard get a little discolored, because of the limitations.

I dunno, but that's my guess. TinaTheKirlia ♥ File:281MS.gif 23:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that misunderstanding, TTE. I thought you were agreeing with me.--Pokencyclopedia 23:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

pronunciation

Just relizing that I had "THE OFFICIAL Pokémon Handbook" infront of me. I always hated not knowing how to say the names correctly and in this book it says how is it possible to add a section for the first genneration Pokémon. (That's the only handbook I currently have from my school library).--File:Ani052MS.gifFile:Ani300MS.gifFile:Ani431MS.gifkittenchild and her discoveryFile:Ani264MS.gifA.K.A. ねこさん 01:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I have all of the series of those offical handbooks.................(but what does that have to do with Project Pokédex?????) --File:Spr 3e 059.gifFile:Spr 3e 132.gifTheryguy512 File:Trozeiani025.gif 01:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

well they have the pronunciation on every Pokémon shouldn't we put how to say the name of the Pokémon on their page?--File:Ani052MS.gifFile:Ani300MS.gifFile:Ani431MS.gifkittenchild and her discoveryFile:Ani264MS.gifA.K.A. ねこさん 01:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Most people know how to say it......but it's an idea........--File:Spr 3e 059.gifFile:Spr 3e 132.gifTheryguy512 File:Trozeiani025.gif 02:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

I say this because I'm always fighting with my bro (who is 24) about how to say kyogre He says it as if it was katakana and I disagree.--File:Ani052MS.gifFile:Ani300MS.gifFile:Ani431MS.gifkittenchild and her discoveryFile:Ani264MS.gifA.K.A. ねこさん 02:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

It would be a useful addition to the infoboxes. The main question is if there is an official source for beyond the first generation. (Since some people insist that the dub pronounces things wrong for some reason.) I know we got Bonsly confirmed from PUSA but not of any source for the rest. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

well I have the handbooks of the second generation, and the third generation as well. --File:Spr 3e 059.gifFile:Spr 3e 132.gifTheryguy512 File:Trozeiani025.gif 00:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I usually pronounce Kyogre as Kai-oh-great (minus the t at the end). But the anime is Kai-oh-ge... Optimatum♏^Talk|♊Hi 13:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I usually pronounce it Kai-oh-ger. How do i participate in Project Pokédex. Where exactly is the evolution box on the page.

R/S sprites

I know you guys aren't done uploading them, but are we gonna do the R/S sprites? Even though we have the Emerald ones... the R/S ones are half distracting. I dunno, just wondering.. Tina ^δ♫ 19:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

All sprites means all of 'em. The only problem I see us running into is the shiny Emerald sprites. TTEchidna^G_SDS! 19:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Shadow

So um... where should we put info on the Shadow Pokémon? Probably under Game info, or Game locations.. Tina ^δ♫ 21:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

That'd be a good idea, as a subsection of that. Like...

Probaly under Game Info..... File:Ani234MS.gifMERRY File:Ani385MS.gif CHRISTMASFile:Ani225MS.gif 23:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Shadow (name)

In (Colo/XD) a Shadow (name) can be found in (location), trained by (trainer). Its moves are (moves) and, when purified, it learns (moves).

TTEchidna^G_SDS! 22:03, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

We already have this information. The location table notes which Pokémon are shadow and the moves are noted under the moveset heading. --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 23:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Size and Weight

Hello, I'd like to discuss about the weight and size of Pokémon we display in the pokédex pages, I think they should be there, but they are not. (if they are and I don't see it, please notice me :-]) what do you think? MewUser 11:32, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

That information is in the infobox of every article... --FabuVinny ^T-C-S 12:58, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Joining

I, Darth Cookie Monster, is humbly asking to join this projectUser:Darth Cookie Monster 18:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

You don't have to ask. Just add your name to the list of participants. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 20:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Held items

The items Pokémon sometimes hold in the wild. I'm not sure how to implement the information yet but we are currently missing it. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 14:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about this - maybe add a section in the usebox with Held Item, and a percentage. Don 17:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Number redirecting

should the national dex numbers redirect to the pokemon's data page? I can do that if needed. 折り紙ガイ - 離す貢献 15:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Help!

How do I join Project Pokédex?Medicham225 18:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)medicham225

Simply add your name to the list of participants. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 19:07, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you.Medicham225 23:26, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Medicham225

Generation 4 Smogon links

The links for generation 4 'mon are still not working correctly. Zhen Lin implied that it would be possible to make the link as a function of the name of the article. [1] --Raijinili 05:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

About the sprites and trivia

Can we, you know, STOP FREAKING MENTIONING THEM THERE? They're all charted up, GO FIND THEM AND UPLOAD THEM instead of putting it in the trivia.

Also, next time anyone mentions something as obvious as "the Gen II backsprites and Gen III backsprites for Gen I and II Pokémon are similar" is going to be yelled at. You know why? BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE, just COLORIZED. Game Freak was lazy. Heck, they would've reused the Gen I ones if they weren't total crap. TTEchidna 05:09, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Why (Pokémon) rather than (species)?

I mean, Ash's Butterfree is also a Pokémon. --Raijinili 04:54, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Your point? --Force Fire 07:04, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Obviously that it's not correct and should be changed. --Raijinili 03:36, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Species is something very different. --Martonimos_{((Argh|Blargh))} 03:55, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Pokémon is the creature, Species is the Pokémon's Classification. Bulbasaur is a Pokémon and "Seed Pokémon" uis a type of species. --Force Fire 05:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

wild hold items?

Would it be a bad idea to have to have a wild hold items section in a table form? --lord mada 19:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)