Talk:Primal Dialga

dear admin, i am typing to u to ask u not to delete this page, it is real and official if u are asking. and since u r an admin can u upload the image stated in the article,just check every imsge site and walkthrogh site and they will have a mention about Primal Dialga in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2. any comments about the page Iwill change \edit it personally , just tell me wut things need improvement in ur comment on this discussion.--Nobody777 10:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree it exist, but you should really fix the way you type (spelling, grammar etc.). This is not a chat room. tc26 10:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I really know, that but there is another better picture and thank You. Happy with my way of typing now, sir ? - unsigned comment from Nobody777 (talk • contribs)

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• "Lost Control of Time"?
• Primal
• Art
• Merge?
• Battle: Primal Dialga... Or is it?
• Different movesets
• Battle Music
• Special episode
• Primal Reversal???
• Is it really notable to mention Primal Dialga being unrelated to Primal reversion?
• Primal Dialga's different learnset
• Move

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"Lost Control of Time"?

Was it ever actually stated that he/it could no longer control time as Primal Dialga? In fact, when the partner proposes that Celebi use her power, she reminds him/her that Dial a CAN control time, so it would make the attempt useless, which indeed it does. I leave the final verdict to hang. Fix the page or don't, but it's not wise to have information that is directly contradicted by evidence in the games. Kyro-Dizzy (talk) 23:20, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Primal

The word Primal gives the idea that the Dialga is savage and somehow in its basic stages. --Nobody777 09:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

It's been reduced to its primal instincts. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 15:52, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

thank you FabuVinny for helping me out with the data part of the article I was searching for it yesterday all day long. --Nobody777 09:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Signing comments with ~~~~ helps know who replied. Gywall^(Talk) 08:50, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

All I've done to this article is remove the duplicate sprite edit. Missingno. Master put the data in. --FabuVinny ^{|Talk Page|} 14:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Who did the DP Primal Dialga sprite?--KukiTalk 14:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

It looks like Missingno. Master created it. ~$aturn¥oshi ^{THE VOICES} 15:03, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I know that he basically used Paint, but I still think it is pretty cool--KukiTalk 15:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I mean, there was one for XD001, so I decided to do a sprite for Primal Dialga. Took a while, too. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 01:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Art

I have the guide with official Primal Dialga artwork. Want me to upload it? YinYang 01:29, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

show the art on the discussion page first.--Nobody777 14:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

In the Primal Dialga battle the back spikes semmto be different _\ | / _ --Nobody777 14:26, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Would be 00berawesome! Please scan it! --Maxim 14:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, but it'll take time. I need to install my printer onto my laptop and my desktop is broken. The guite's like $5-$20 at different stores. If anyone wants to, they can get is and scan it. I'll try my best. YinYang 23:30, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Merge?

should we merge this into the Dialga page? Lord of Origami 11:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I think not, as we also have a page for Shadow Lugia. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 22:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Battle: Primal Dialga... Or is it?

Personally, I don't think that you're actually fighting Primal Dialga at the end of the main story. I think it's a Dialga that's almost completely enveloped in darkness. I even have evidence to support this.

Exhibit A: Before the battle, the main character thinks this:

"Dialga is losing control because time is breaking down! But... This isn't like Primal Dialga in the future... He's not yet fully consumed by the power of darkness! There's still a chance that Dialga can be brought back to reason! There's still hope!"

Exhibit B: Earlier in the story, in the dark future, Grovyle mentions that Primal Dialga feels no emotion. Before the battle, Dialga seems angry.

Exhibit C: It is known that Primal Dialga has no control over the flow of time, since there is no flow. However, in battle, Dialga is perfectly capable of Roar of Time.

If you disagree, feel free to respond, but before you do, I suggest that you go over the evidence carefully. SharKing 18:17, 25 August 2008 (UTC)SharKing

Ask Darkrai what he thinks. He caused it.

Darkrai: MAybe I did. But I don't have a name of it. SemiPrimal DIalga doesn't appeal much to anyone. Θρtιmαtum♏_Talk|Links12:41 7 Sep 2008

Actually, time must still exist in the future in some way, as Celebi could travel through time still, Diagla cancelled Celibi's time travel, there was the Passage of Time in the future, the Future Pokémon knew of time, and none of the Pokémon were frozen in time.Nintendofan146B 01:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Different movesets

In the special episode, he knows Dragon Pulse, and doesn't know metal claw. worthy trivia? SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 15:50, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

No. We just need to note both movesets in the moveset list. —darklordtrom 01:36, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

By special episode, i mean in-game. SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 16:46, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, and if the moveset is different at a later point of the game, then you need to make another moveset listing. Like what we do for the rivals and other trainers who change their parties. —darklordtrom 09:06, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Done. Think he changed level... SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch 11:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Battle Music

At first I thought the epic music was unique, but am I the only one who noticed that Primal Dialga's battle music is only an epic mix of a theme used in various places in game? I can list a few of them:

During the battle (duh)

Climbing Temporal Tower (Tower, not Pinnacle)

Whenever a Time Gear is encountered

Grovyle's theme (unsure)

Worthy trivia? Distortion Alpha - Please don't hurt us... 19:15, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Special episode

Dialga is still capable of using Metal Claw (from what I remember, he used it but missed) here... It looks that he has more than one possible moveset. Marked +-+-+ 08:10, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Primal Reversal???

Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon are Primal Reversal, and according to the article a Primally Reversed (not official but it works) Pokemon can be identified by the word "Primal" in front of their names. Primal Dialga = Primal in front of its name. Nutter Butter (talk) 04:05, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Primal Reversion. Stupid autocorrect. Nutter Butter (talk) 04:07, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Primal Dialga predates the introduction of Primal Reversion. Meaning, Primal Dialga does not count as a Primal Reversion.--ForceFire 04:12, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Additionally, the Japanese name for Primal in Primal Dialga is "Dark", while for Primal in Primal Regression/Groudon/Kyogre is Primal, making them different and thus have no correlation. ^ht14 04:13, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Known as Dark Dialga in Japan, so not one of the new ones. --Spriteit (talk) 04:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm adding it as a trivia note, though I will specify that it is probably not related. Nutter Butter (talk) 16:09, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Is it really notable to mention Primal Dialga being unrelated to Primal reversion?

Is that so? RubyLeafGreenCrystal (talk) 21:09, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Primal Dialga's different learnset

I've recruited Primal Dialga using a special combination of Wonder Mail codes that lets it hatch from an egg, and while training it, I've found that it has a completely different level up learnset than the regular Dialga and can't learn any TMs. Even though it isn't obtainable normally, would a learnset section be something worth adding to its wiki page? DetectiveDeoxys (talk) 02:51, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Move

The article should be moved to Dialga (Explorers of Time, Darkness, and Sky) to align with naming conventions. PikaRikaChu (talk) 22:54, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Dabtags are only used when there aren't other defining features for an article title. Since we do have the ability to name it "Primal Dialga", that's why we do so. ^Maverick_Nate 23:16, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Personally I feel Primal Dialga is short and sweet for a title--BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 23:43, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

Playing devil's advocate for a minute, I want to point out that we also have Wigglytuff (Explorers of Time, Darkness, and Sky) using the dabtag, when "Guildmaster" or "Guildmaster Wigglytuff" would be a much more concise name. It seems a little inconsistent for that page to have a dabtag while this one doesn't. Storm Aurora (talk) 01:16, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

I'd rather we move Wigglytuff instead of moving Dialga. ^Maverick_Nate 01:19, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Seconded. If a character has an official distinguishing title, it's probably best to use it rather than a(n in this case rather hefty) dabtag. --Driftin Soul (talk) 01:24, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Obligatory "I haven't played TDS", but is Wigglytuff regularly referred to as "Guildmaster Wigglytuff" ? If it's referred to as just "Wigglytuff", the dabtag is technically correct over a descriptive title. (Same question for Dialga btw.) → SuperPikaPool13 01:38, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

A key point is that he's not Primal Dialga all the time, is he? He goes back to being normal Dialga after the main story. PikaRikaChu (talk) 01:47, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

Using in-universe content to disambiguate via a title is also a valid way to disambiguate something. It's no more or less correct than a dabtag. It's simply an alternate (and less cumbersome) way to do it.

We do so for all Routes, for example.

As for the point that it changes back to regular Dialga... It's not like Professor Oak was always a professor. General wiki rules allow things to be named by what they are most known for, even if they aren't that all the time. ^Maverick_Nate 01:50, 20 November 2025 (UTC)

It depends on who is speaking. Chatot usually refers to him simply as "Guildmaster" or "our Guildmaster" while other characters usually call him "Wigglytuff", although often "Guildmaster Wigglytuff" as well. I think naming the page "Guildmaster Wigglytuff" would be fine, given how often he is named that and just "Guildmaster" in dialogue. RRad (talk) 02:54, 20 November 2025 (UTC)