Talk:Human–Pokémon transformation

Human to Pokemon and Pokemon to Human

As I can see, most of my additions to this article have been deleted because this page is, so far, only about humans transforming into Pokemon and not also the other way around and I have to argue my case. Well, this distinction feels very articial to me and implies the necessity of an accompanying article on Pokémon transforming into humans. I expect both of these articles would eventully merge due to being small and very similar to each other.

Second thing, I don't think other articles, "Ghosts in the Pokémon world" in this case, cover well the topic of Pokemon reincarnating into humans (is there any case where humans reintarnated into Pokemon?). Not every Pokemon had to reincarnate from human and clearly the ghost page misses a few cases I added here. I think the most natural form for this article would be to cover the whole topic of Pokemon and humans interchanging.--Rocket Grunt 12:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I think that's an amenable idea. I do wonder what we might title this article, but I have an idea for the structure:

• Human-to-Pokémon transformation
  • Humans temporarily becoming Pokémon through various means
  • Pokémomn that were once human before permanently transforming into a Pokémon.
  • Pokémon formed from the souls or spirits of deceased humans.
• Pokémon-to-Human transformation
  • Pokémon temporarily taking a Human form through moves or Abilities.
  • Pokémon permanently transforming into a Human (not sure this has ever happened).

I could draft something up if there's an interest and if we can come up with a good title. Landfish7 13:03, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

As you suggested on your user talk page, "Transformation between people and Pokémon" could be a good title. Landfish7 13:04, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I personally think that "Pokémon transformation" is a good title, as it can refer to a transformation going either way. --FinnishPokéFan92 (talk) 13:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

"Pokémon transformation" sounds like it would only be about certain Pokémon's ability to transform. Landfish7 13:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Sure. I'm still getting new ideas and I was thinking about mentioning in the trivia section PokeStar Studios exploring the idea of Pokemon being trainers and humans being functionally Pokemon. Or that Oranguru can act and be mistaken for humans. Feels like a tangental topic.--Rocket Grunt 13:18, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm working on a draft now if you'd like to collaborate on this. I'll link it here when it's ready. I wonder if "Human-Pokémon transformation" would be a good title. Landfish7 13:23, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

(resetting indent)Okay so instead of making a draft, I decided to be bold and go ahead and apply the changes directly to the article. I do still think the article should be moved to Human-Pokémon transformation or the like, though. Landfish7 13:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't mind this name. In case of Pokemon permanently becoming human, the closest I find are N and maybe Lillie. If only I could find a quote from some NPC that would compare them to Pokemon then maybe I could write such trivia. Ghetsis calls N "a freat without human heart", but that's all I've got.--Rocket Grunt 14:43, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Human-Pokémon transformation sounds like a good name to me, much better than the "Transformation between people and Pokémon" suggestion. Also, I don't think N or Lillie being Pokémon transformed into humans has ever been anything more than fan speculation. I can't think of any time that's even been implied to happen in canon—probably because ending up as a normal human is a much more boring concept than ending up as a mysterious, magical creature. Storm Aurora (talk) 20:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

"Human-Pokémon transformation" looks good. Yes, I agree that the title "Pokémon transformation" seems to be about Transform instead.

Maybe the page title should use the en dash (–) character as in "Human–Pokémon transformation", like Wikipedia does: Michelson–Morley experiment with a redirect from Michelson-Morley experiment. --Daniel Carrero (talk) 21:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Pokémon formed from spirits

I do not think that Pokémon formed from human spirits comes under the scope of this page. Most of the entires are rebirth/reincarnation, and would be better covered by Death in the Pokémon world, for instance. → PikaTepig999 18:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Why wouldn't rebirth count as a form of transformation? I think it does. Also, what I don't like about the death article is that these Pokemon that allegedly were humans wouldn't be grouped together and mixed with other Pokemon related to death in other ways.--Rocket Grunt 18:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)