User talk:Salmancer

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here!       BigDocFan, Junior Admin Bulbapedia (talk) 22:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Link templates

I noticed you've been doing a lot of work with Unite recently, and I wanted to let you know about {{UNITE}} if you were not aware about it. (There's a lot of others, which can be found at Bulbapedia:List of link templates.) Hope that helps. → PikaTepig999 03:26, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I forgot. The thing is that remembering there is a link template partway through linking usually just means powering through and linking normally for me. The cost of going back and replacing square brackets with curly brackets and adding the parameter is a little high once you have already typed, "[Stealth (UNI...". I'll try to keep it more in mind. Salmancer (talk) 02:15, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

No worries. It doesn't make sense to go back and change them right now, but if someone is editing the page in the future, it could be updated then. I just wanted to let you know about it as I thought you might not know that existed since it was made pretty recently. → PikaTepig999 05:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Another link template you'll want to be aware of is {{p}}. It's for linking Pokémon species pages. so you'll want {{p|Numel}} instead of [[Numel (Pokémon)|Numel]]. Just thought you'd want to know! ^Maverick_Nate 11:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

That's me playing with Visual Editor. (No sense looking at buttons for new features if I don't use them.) Though this does remind me that there is a template button in the editor that is technically required to use. Salmancer (talk) 11:44, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

TCG Client

You've moved TCG Online and TCG Live from "Other" to "TCG Client". However, Pokémon Card Game Online was essentially the same thing. All three are technically MMOs, which might be a better term than "client". - bthrussellUK (talk) 23:47, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

So there was a talk page bit over at the Template_talk:Spin-off series#TCG Online Client Series split? where I originally advocated for grouping Card Game Online in. I didn't for three reasons:

• 1. TCG Live is officially the successor of TCG Online, whereas Card Game Online appears to be a separate initiative with no direct connection to TCG Online short of genre and gameplay. Meaning, Bulbapedia would have to agree that Card Game Online would be grouped with the other two for being thematically linked. Since that talk page got no response, I went for the split that is backed up by official sources. It is a sweeping change, and that can't be done without staff approval. (and possibly consensus, but I haven't dug around policy pages enough to conclusively determine if community consensus is sufficient without staff. It likely is not.) (Bulbapedia consensus would have likely would agreed to grouping all three games together, seeing as Side Series is a concept grouping a whole bundle of games that aren't related with each other with a vague definition that mostly serves as a convenient way to put games related to the core series closer to the core series, but making assumptions tends to be bad.)
• 2.Grouping games just for being in the same genre opens a can of worms that everyone should be okay with before opening. Do Shuffle and Cafe Remix go together, and do they go with Trozei too? Say Tap and Dancing Pokemon Band are both rhythm games, is it a series of two? Does Magikarp Jump fit with Pokemon Sleep, or does Sleep's status as a health app keep the two separate? (All of the prior examples have the same developer by the way.) Should Playhouse be considered the sequel to Camp? Should all the arcade Medal games go together, since they all share the same genre? Maybe only the ones with the same developer and publisher? Quest kind of resembles Rumble, especially Rumble Rush. Does this make Quest indirectly related to the Rumble series? (The last one is super strawmanny, but it's the kind of thing that now has to be adjudicated by someone.)
• 3. The name picked needs to sufficiently delineate these from the Game Boy games, which are already a clear cut series. (I don't think putting Online and Live with those games is helpful, but explaining why would be another paragraph.) This means describing TCG Online and Live as digital TCGs/CCGs, as many sources do, is not really an option. So I rattled my head a bit and landed on "Client", which is what people sometimes call Magic: the Gathering Online and Magic: the Gathering Arena. I think it might be a bit old-timey.

Now that I think about it, listing games as being in the "MMOTCG series" seems odd, and everything in the spin off series template describes the group as a series except for Picross. I would be opposed to "MMOTCG series" but I fully support just "MMOTCGs". "Simulators" could also work, but I fear it does not exclude the Game Boy games well enough. Salmancer (talk) 02:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Suggestions for major content upheavals

I’ve noticed you suggest a significant amount of content changes that would involve very large editing projects to upwards of thousands of articles. I think the engagement is amazing! The content should always evolve to be better and resolve longstanding problems. I do think that it might be more effective in the longterm to compile these items in a list in your userspace instead of spread around specific individual talk pages to get lost to time. No one is going to find a discussion about Japanese exclusive prints on the talk page of Burning Shadows Lycanroc, and for any suggestions that affect a large swath of articles, it may already be being discussed somewhere else or even planned on the project page! It’s no secret that the franchise is ballooning beyond what the current workforce of the wiki can handle, and while it’s commendable that you want to start a ton of editing improvements, the resources, workforce, and infrastructure to carry out those changes simply isn’t there right now. We have to carefully plan our large scale editing projects in relation to each other so that we can ensure that they are actually completed, so I really think a single list compiling your large scale wish list of content changes would help ensure they actually are completable in the future. It would certainly be easier to track one page instead of dozens of talk pages. What do you think? ^Maverick_Nate 03:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Please stop putting spam in your edit summaries. We appreciate you suffering through Quest for the wiki, but don't make everyone else suffer by having to see you go on and on about how much you hate it. Thanks. glik^glak 12:23, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

1-day block for vandalism

Hi. Edits like this, where you purposely damage the quality of a page to get your way, are considered vandalism. Because of this, per the blocking policy, you have been blocked for vandalism for 24 hours. If you are found to have vandalized pages again in the future, you will face an even longer block. You have been permitted the ability to edit your talk page to explain yourself. Landfish7 16:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)