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:Yeah, Wonder Guard doesn't protect against status type moves. And yes, Electric and Grass are the only ones super effective against Water. Could be a fun surprise. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 15:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC) | :Yeah, Wonder Guard doesn't protect against status type moves. And yes, Electric and Grass are the only ones super effective against Water. Could be a fun surprise. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 15:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC) | ||
Does this mean there's a technique to removing {{ | Does this mean there's a technique to removing {{type|ground}}'s immunity to Electric? <span style="color:#91A3B0">—</span>[[User:Venomoth|<span style="color:black; font-size: 13pt">'''''V'''e<small>№</small>moth''</span>]][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 00:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC) | ||
:Seems so. Someone gotta check this out. | :Seems so. Someone gotta check this out. | ||
:But if its a Rhyhorn (or evolutions) with lightningrod, It may not work. [[User:Grhaal|Grhaal]] 21:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | :But if its a Rhyhorn (or evolutions) with lightningrod, It may not work. [[User:Grhaal|Grhaal]] 21:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC) | ||
== Variations == | == Variations == | ||
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This may be more of a preference thing, but wouldn't it be better to have an animation of Soak being used on something that's, you know, not already a Water-type? →'''[[User:Axxonn|<span style="color:#000000">ΑΧΧΟΝΝ</span>]][[User talk:Axxonn|<span style="color:#A64B19"><sub>fi</sub></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|<span style="color:#A64B19"><sub>re</sub></span>]]''' 20:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC) | This may be more of a preference thing, but wouldn't it be better to have an animation of Soak being used on something that's, you know, not already a Water-type? →'''[[User:Axxonn|<span style="color:#000000">ΑΧΧΟΝΝ</span>]][[User talk:Axxonn|<span style="color:#A64B19"><sub>fi</sub></span>]][[Special:Contributions/Axxonn|<span style="color:#A64B19"><sub>re</sub></span>]]''' 20:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC) | ||
:Palpitoad's Water/Ground, making Soak still have its normal effect. The only thing it fails on is pure Water, so a different animation is pointless. - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 20:31, 1 December 2011 (UTC) | :Palpitoad's Water/Ground, making Soak still have its normal effect. The only thing it fails on is pure Water, so a different animation is pointless. - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 20:31, 1 December 2011 (UTC) | ||
== Substitute == | |||
Does it work through Substitute? --- Pokémon [[User:Pokémon|<sub>Questions?</sub>]] -- 22:53, 22 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
:No. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 11:15, 30 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Variation == | |||
Do you remember in [[EP005]], where Ash's Pikachu's Thunderbolt did damage to Brock's Onix, in the first part the attack appeared to not make damage but then the sprinklers '''literally''' soaked Onix so Pikachu could attack it, much like it is done to remove Ground's Immunity to Electric, is this really notable to put on the article? And yeah I know that the attack hadn't been introduced at the time but it is interesting to note isn't it?--[[User:Igor Castro Chucre|Igor ]] ([[User talk:Igor Castro Chucre|talk]]) 16:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
:The anime does this stuff all the time, if you didn't know, please look at [[Anime physics#Move and type effectiveness errors|this page]] -[[User:Clubchloe1|<span style="color:#A00000">'''Club'''</span>]][[User talk:Clubchloe1|<span style="color:#0000A0">'''chloe'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Clubchloe1|<span style="color:#00A000">'''1'''</span>]] 03:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
== STAB == | |||
If I soak an Electric-type Pokémon, will its Discharge still get STAB or will it be without? --[[User:Abcboy|Abcboy]] ([[User talk:Abcboy|talk]]) 03:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
:No, because it's now a Water type. - [[User:Blazios|<span style="color:navy">Blazios</span>]] [[User Talk:Blazios|<span style="color:limegreen"><sub>talk</sub></span>]] 08:52, 21 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Gen VI effect - same or different? == | |||
I've demonstrated that {{m|Trick-or-Treat}} adds a Ghost type ''without'' replacing the Pokemon's original typing (yes, Trick-or-Treat + dual-typed Pokemon = three-typed Pokemon). Since Soak is a move of similar purpose, can somebody check how it works in [[Pokemon X and Y]]? | |||
Namely, we need to know: | |||
* Check if it works or fails against an already-Water-typed Pokemon. | |||
* Soak a pure Ground type (e.g. {{p|Diglett}} family) and check if they are vulnerable to Electric or Ice. | |||
* Soak a dual-Ground type (e.g. {{p|Geodude}} or {{p|Rhyhorn}} families) and check if they are vulnerable to Electric or Ice. | |||
In Generation V, Soaking any Pokemon meant they became pure Water (vulnerable to Electric, resistant to Ice), but if this move was changed to a Water-type variation of Trick-or-Treat, Grounders should retain the immunity to Electric and lose the vulnerability to Ice. --''[[User:Stratelier|Stratelier]]'' 18:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Water-type moves == | |||
If you use Soak on a Pokémon, and that Pokémon uses a Water-type attack, will it get STAB?[[User:Mangaman13|Mangaman13]] ([[User talk:Mangaman13|talk]]) 19:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Well, duh, of course it will.--'''[[User:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#AB0909">電</font><font color="#063A73">禅</font>]]<small>[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|<font color="#fff" face="Tahoma"><span style="text-shadow:#000 0.2em 0.1em 0.1em; class=texhtml">Den Zen</span></font>]]</small>''' 19:28, 11 December 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Net Ball == | |||
Does anyone know if Soak makes Net Ball work? | |||
I think it should be on the page either way. | |||
--[[User:Enderverse87|Enderverse87]] ([[User talk:Enderverse87|talk]]) 15:45, 2 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Wording == | |||
I had to check another source to see if Soak's effect persisted even if the "Soaked" Pokémon switched out, which it does not. The wording of this sentence: "Soak changes the target's type to pure Water; the effect lasts as long as the target is in battle", makes it vague (in my opinion) as to what "in battle" specifically means. Is there a way we could change the wording so as to make that more clear? [[User:Ki|Ki]] ([[User talk:Ki|talk]]) 19:45, 7 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Inspiration? == | |||
Maybe this move was inspired by when Pikachu defeated Onix with an Electric-type move after setting off the sprinklers in Ash's initial battle with Brock? [[User:ThighFish|ThighFish]] ([[User talk:ThighFish|talk]]) 01:06, 3 March 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Terastralized Pokemon == | |||
Has anyone tried if Soak works on Terastralized Pokemon? I've never seen it, but I'm gonna guess that it doesn't work. [[User:JakeTsai8|JakeTsai8]] ([[User talk:JakeTsai8|talk]]) 09:13, 17 December 2022 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 09:13, 17 December 2022
Wonder Guard?
Does this move hit Pokémon with Wonder Guard? And if so, does it mean that those Pokémon will only get hit by Electric and Grass moves? --RiverAura 01:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, Wonder Guard doesn't protect against status type moves. And yes, Electric and Grass are the only ones super effective against Water. Could be a fun surprise. PLA 15:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Does this mean there's a technique to removing Ground-type's immunity to Electric? —Ve№moth ♦ 00:31, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
- Seems so. Someone gotta check this out.
- But if its a Rhyhorn (or evolutions) with lightningrod, It may not work. Grhaal 21:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Variations
Anyone is there any variations of these?Grhaal 21:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Better animation
This may be more of a preference thing, but wouldn't it be better to have an animation of Soak being used on something that's, you know, not already a Water-type? →ΑΧΧΟΝΝfire 20:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
- Palpitoad's Water/Ground, making Soak still have its normal effect. The only thing it fails on is pure Water, so a different animation is pointless. - Blazios talk 20:31, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Substitute
Does it work through Substitute? --- Pokémon Questions? -- 22:53, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Variation
Do you remember in EP005, where Ash's Pikachu's Thunderbolt did damage to Brock's Onix, in the first part the attack appeared to not make damage but then the sprinklers literally soaked Onix so Pikachu could attack it, much like it is done to remove Ground's Immunity to Electric, is this really notable to put on the article? And yeah I know that the attack hadn't been introduced at the time but it is interesting to note isn't it?--Igor (talk) 16:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
- The anime does this stuff all the time, if you didn't know, please look at this page -Clubchloe1 03:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
STAB
If I soak an Electric-type Pokémon, will its Discharge still get STAB or will it be without? --Abcboy (talk) 03:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Gen VI effect - same or different?
I've demonstrated that Trick-or-Treat adds a Ghost type without replacing the Pokemon's original typing (yes, Trick-or-Treat + dual-typed Pokemon = three-typed Pokemon). Since Soak is a move of similar purpose, can somebody check how it works in Pokemon X and Y?
Namely, we need to know:
- Check if it works or fails against an already-Water-typed Pokemon.
- Soak a pure Ground type (e.g. Diglett family) and check if they are vulnerable to Electric or Ice.
- Soak a dual-Ground type (e.g. Geodude or Rhyhorn families) and check if they are vulnerable to Electric or Ice.
In Generation V, Soaking any Pokemon meant they became pure Water (vulnerable to Electric, resistant to Ice), but if this move was changed to a Water-type variation of Trick-or-Treat, Grounders should retain the immunity to Electric and lose the vulnerability to Ice. --Stratelier 18:48, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Water-type moves
If you use Soak on a Pokémon, and that Pokémon uses a Water-type attack, will it get STAB?Mangaman13 (talk) 19:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Net Ball
Does anyone know if Soak makes Net Ball work?
I think it should be on the page either way. --Enderverse87 (talk) 15:45, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Wording
I had to check another source to see if Soak's effect persisted even if the "Soaked" Pokémon switched out, which it does not. The wording of this sentence: "Soak changes the target's type to pure Water; the effect lasts as long as the target is in battle", makes it vague (in my opinion) as to what "in battle" specifically means. Is there a way we could change the wording so as to make that more clear? Ki (talk) 19:45, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Inspiration?
Maybe this move was inspired by when Pikachu defeated Onix with an Electric-type move after setting off the sprinklers in Ash's initial battle with Brock? ThighFish (talk) 01:06, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Terastralized Pokemon
Has anyone tried if Soak works on Terastralized Pokemon? I've never seen it, but I'm gonna guess that it doesn't work. JakeTsai8 (talk) 09:13, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
