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CGI

The CGI effects were made for the Japanese DVD of it and not for the dub. --Qwertybub3 02:32, 01 June 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as the DVD was only released in 2000 and the Japanese VHS with the CGI in late 1999, I'm inclined to think the dub got the new CGI first. - 振霖T 12:33, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
If I remember correctly, something was said on the audio commentary about the CGI being added for the dub. Yes, I listen to audio commentaries. -Happy Mask Man 17:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The movie and the anime

Could anyone tell me when the movie timeline is placed compared to the timeline of the anime? :) Amargaard 19:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Who's that pokemon?

In the error section of this page it says that meowth gave the wrong names of pokemon. What If he meant to do that, not making it an error?

I agree, but I thought Team Rocket made the mistake? Anyway, it only shows their lack of knowledge when it comes to Pokémon silhouettes, if you catch my drift ... Tesh 22:36, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
He didn't do that in the original version, only in the English dub. Don't believe that excuse Michael Haigney and Norman Grossfeld gave that they were trying to make Team Rocket look stupid. They're only trying to cover for their mistakes. --PAK Man Talk 00:23, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
Ahh, I haven't seen the Japanese (original) version, I wouldn't understand it anyway. However, have you noticed that, James has a great knowledge of Pokémon? Probably from all of those tutors from his childhood... Tesh 22:37, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
This is what is actually said in the commentary:
"That is a mistake that we made. We actually made a mistake when we did the first draft of the script and we actually recorded that incorrectly. We did catch ourselves."
"Right. I think the son of the sound effects editor noticed it watching the film."
"Right. And [this] was before it was completely done and [he] pointed it out to us and we ultimately made - maybe it was laziness or maybe it was genius, I don't know (laughs) - decided to keep the mistake in: a) to make something fun for the kids to spot and also we realised that, well, would Team Rocket actually know every Pokémon and be experts to see the silhouettes and point them out correctly? And we decided ultimately that they can make a mistake so we can make a mistake."
That is a long way from your claims, PAK Man, so lay off the 4Kids bashing.
As for James's knowledge, that is something that has been developed since movie 1. Were his cards even seen before AG? --FabuVinny T-C-S 22:52, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Blastoise, Charizard, Venusaur

If I remember right, didn't Mewtwo have those clones pre-made, and then just faced them off against Shellshocker, Ash's Charizard, and Bruteroot? That'd mean that Togepi wasn't the only uncloned Pokémon. TTEchidna 22:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, he did already have them.--Starlight_the_ampharos 21:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
That doesn't mean they weren't uncloned. In the Origin of Mewtwo, they were Bulbasaurtwo, Charmandertwo, and Squirtletwo, all cloned by Dr. Fuji. - unsigned comment from PH1RESTRIKE (talkcontribs) 21:59, 11 February 2009
Oh wait, scratch that. 1337Fire ►strike! 22:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Fearow Trainer?

"When the three other Pokémon trainers are taking off, Cory is seen doing it twice, the second time on a Fearow."

I'm pretty sure that's not true. I remember on a fansite, they claimed that it's a different trainer. The Fearow trainer is a girl, too. I think she's in a crowd a few minutes before the trainers leave for New Island.

Oh, and I think that the DVD commentary confirms this, and that she didn't make it to the island. Seritinajii 12:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I noticed this as well, cuz I zoomed in on the trainer and i think it was som blonde girl with pigtails that you can see near while Officer Jenny was talking. ShellShocker 10:34, 29 July 2008

Only film canon to the anime?

At least in non-Japanese languages, I'm sure Ash remembers having seen a Lugia from the Orange Islands when he meets Silver and its parent. --Johans 17:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay then. Go ahead and add it; I guess I forgot that.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 00:14, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
The question is, why would any of them not be? Sure, Ash may not remember exactly, but remember, the show can't just assume everyone's seen all of it. TTEchidna 02:03, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Well, yeah, that's why I used "confirmed as canon," since the other movies may very well be, but it's not obvious because, like the majority of anime movies, the main series may not show any sort of acknowledgment of things that happened in movies.--Loveはドコ? (talk contribs) 02:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but then again, sometimes, the series doesn't even acknowledge it's own episodes, no matter how important they really are (eg. Ash forgetting what the P1 Grand Prix was in the Tyrogue episode despite participating, becoming champion of, and loaning his champ pokemon to the runner up, May claiming that she used Skitty in the Fallabor contest when she actually used Beautifly, Ash forgetting double battles despite the fact that the reason why he won HALF of the Orange League Badges IS because of Double Battles, etc, etc.) Weedle Mchairybug 11:17, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Mewtwo's Origin for rating?

I don't get it, how could "Mewtwo's Origin" prevent the theatrical version from keeping its "G" rating? ShinyRayquaza 07:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

"Mewtwo's Origin" is a little dark for younger audiences. Animine 18:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

You say 'a little dark,' I say 3 pokemon and a human die in it. Not an ambiguous death like Ash's, a clear death. Legionaireb 01:55, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Just a question.

Anybody know who composed the music/background music for this movie? D: Takoto! 11:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Team Aqua Logo?

I watched the movie on VHS after reading this aritcle and I think the Trivia should be changed. The so called logo on the bandana is simply a skull and cross bones not an "A". If it was related to anything it should say that it resembles a koffing. Thats my opinion. User:Rucario64

Opinion goes on forums. It's the Θρtιmαtum♏Talk|Links09:35 1 Jul 2008

It is neither the Team Aqua logo, nor a normal Skull and Crossbones. The emblem on the trainers head is the emblem that appears on the stomach of the pokemon Koffing and Weezing. Legionaireb 04:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Retcon?

Looking back at Ash's revival, it may have been the power of Aura that revived him. --Wikifixer 12:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Do you have proof? the only thing i remember that revived him were the tears of the Pokémon that cried when they saw him turn to stone; just as the legend said. --いぬみみ 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Confused

Okay, so I'm a bit confused about the short "Mewtwo's origin"...there is a CD drama, right? is that just a plain audio CD? If so, then what is the 12 minute clip that was cut from the dubbed version of the 1st movie? And what's with Madam Boss and Miyamoto? All i know is Miyamoto saw Mew in the mountains and hasn't been heard from again. --いぬみみ 22:02, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Continuity

I know that there are conventions that determine where the movies take place in the Pokemon storyline, and that said conventions place this movie between The Pi-Kahuna and Make Room For Gloom, but I believe it takes place much later: Specifically, between Pallet Party Panic and A Scare in the Air. My material evidence is that when the brainwashed Nurse Joy in the movie requests that Ash and company release all their pokemon, there is no sign of Pidgeotto. Less concrete is my feeling that, up to the point of The Pi-Kahuna, Ash had not accomplished anything that would have gained him sufficient notoriety to cause trainers from as far away as Johto (as indicated by the presence of a Donphan in the party of the trainer that challenges Ash in the movie's opening) to specifically seek Ash out. It would require a feat as significant as placing in the top 16 of his first Pokemon League Competition. I would like others to weigh in on this issue. Legionaireb 05:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Just because someone has a non-native Poke to the current region, doesn't mean they're from that region, sure it seems like that alot, but it doesn't always have to...Just sayin...--PsychicRider 05:13, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Two issues

One user added the fact that Ash's Charizard obeyed him in this movie, but I don't find it believable because Ash never gave orders to Charizard and that Charizard attacked Mewtwo without warning. Does anybody agree?

Also, would it be proper to mention that the movie's dub title is a reference to Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back? --rockersk08 23:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I won't comment on your first point, though I do believe that the Star Wars note should be added to the trivia section, especially since articles on episodes have similar notes. Legionaireb 01:52, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for input. I put it on the page, so let's see how it goes. I'm still waiting for comment on the first topic I put. --rockersk08 01:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

New Articles

I suggest the creation of (at least) 3 new articles: one for Clone Pokemon, one for the clone Pikachu, and one for the clone Meowth. The clone Pikachu and Meowth deserve their own pages because they have personalities and abilities distinct from their originals. A page on Clone Pokemon can refer to Pokemon created by Mewtwo and the his creators, as well as Fossil Pokemon. Legionaireb 02:27, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Please do, and when you do, make a COMPLETE list of the clone Pokemon Jdrawer 16:18, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Wrong information about removed scenes

I am pretty much sure that the scenes about Mewtwo's childhood, Amber etc weren't removed from the original movie, they rather didn't exist back then yet! The first movie aired in July 1998 in Japan, the prequel in September 1999 as a "radio drama" in Japan, later on as a short anime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewtwo#In_anime_and_related_media And that's what I also remember. Maybe it's not important, maybe I'm just that interested in this because I highly hated the prequel. Since til now I was only here to edit minor mistakes, preferably about German Names etc, I couldn't change it myself if my complaint proves itself to be correct.- unsigned comment from Aicona (talkcontribs)

It was removed from the American version of Pokemon 2000Jdrawer 16:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

two things about the coment just before mine: 1: I have the origin of Mewtwo short on my English copy, of the first movie, and 2, are you sure you mean the american version of Pokemon 2000? you need to be carefull about that, just to let you know, nothing negative. Christian Woods Azu! 05:48, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Sentret

I was watching the movie and there is a Pokémon that looks like it. And it's in the article. Is this speculation or fact?--Midnight Blue 01:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmm... I'll go check. R.A. Hunter Blade 16:43, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

[1]
Eh, sorry it's so big. But no, it's not a Sentret. That's a very badly drawn Eevee in the middle, and the one on the left is either a Mankey or a Meowth. The animation isn't all that great, being the first movie and all, but it's not a Sentret either way. I also went back to the beginning of the movie, and there isn't a Sentret in the Pokémon Center during the first storm scene either. R.A. Hunter Blade 18:48, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Meowth and clone talk

Why is the subject about Meowth and his cloen talking about the moon when istead they talk about learning the lesson about what's the same and what's different? Jedi Striker 16:49, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Because he talks about how they share the same moon.... R.A. Hunter Blade 20:35, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Errors

If this website is correct, should we add these? - Vhayes1992 18:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

We have them on the page already. There's an errors section. R.A. Hunter Blade 20:37, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Blu-Ray

I know this is probably not worth pursuing further, but the wikipedia page for Mewtwo Strikes Back says that the film will be released on Blu-ray disc on April 19, 2011. Can anybody cite this?--Skulblaka Shurtugal 19:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Possibly not an error?

When Nurse joy said she'd rather be in Mewtwo's storm, than watch the Pokémon fighting, didn't Mewtwo say earlier "They [cloned Pokémon] will remain safe on this island with me, while my storm destroys the planet." when he was capturing all the Pokémon? Whatinthew0rld 18:04, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

She said this sentence towards the end of the movie. Ruixiang95 11:30, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

New error

Added in the error about Fergus stating all his pokémon were water types when he has Nidoqueen. Moffooo 17:45, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Danish sub, "Vingingerne"

The trivia in the article says "In the Danish version Brock says 'Jeg vidste ikke vikingerne stadig fantes.', and Ash replies 'Jo, men de turnere mest i Sverige.'". I have not seen the Danish dub, but if that is correct then that is most certainly a reference to the Swedish dansband Vikingarna. I don't know if this is something that should be added to the article though.

--Phil832 22:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Togepi #152

The article lists Togepi being listed as Pokémon #152 as an error.

I'm pretty sure back in those days, Pokémon and their numbers were meant to signify the order of their discovery as a live specimen. Which is why prehistoric Pokémon have higher numbers, & why Mewtwo is before Mew. It was also thrown around that the numbers was the order of their induction into being classified as a Pokémon. Plus both were a way around explaining why everyone in/on Pokémon games/anime/merchandise kept saying there were only 150 (known) Pokémon.

I think at some point this numbering explanation has been forgotten/abandoned by most fans/official sources.

This movie also takes place before much of the structure to the Generation II and the Pokédex numbering in the games in general was laid down. So if anything, Togepi's number should be Trivia not a error. Yamitora1 17:31, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

It stays as an error because if I remember correctly DVD release came out after the Generation II games were introduced in America. Frozen Fennec 17:54, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Your theory about Pokédex numbers is incorrect... there'd be several exceptions if that were the case. First off, it is stated that Todd's photo of Aerodactyl was the first picture ever taken of it, implying that it had never been seen before then. However, Dratini was in an episode earlier in the series, and his number is higher than Aerodactyl's. Same thing with Snorlax. Also, the legendary birds... they were known to exist in the second episode. As for Mew... I'm pretty sure that she had been seen by at least someone in South America much earlier. Which brings up another point... who has to be the one seeing these Pokémon before adding them to the Pokédex? Could a South American native's sighting be enough or does it need to be a researcher? Also, Mewtwo was most likely never seen by anyone with that authority, since the only people who knew of him were the scientists who created him (who were all killed), Team Rocket (who wouldn't have reported his existance), or trainers like Gary who battled him (who wouldn't have the "authority" as a researcher of adding him), so he'd never have been added to the Pokédex (and in the anime, he wasn't shown to be). So yeah, that definitely wouldn't work if we're talking anime. If we're talking games, it still wouldn't work, since Mew gave birth to Mewtwo, meaning that the scientists must have had a living Mew before Mewtwo was around, and their sighting of Mew would have listed her in the Pokédex before Mewtwo. Dannyjenn 04:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Should this be noted?

I read on dogasu.bulbagarden.net that in response to EP038, there was a message before this movie saying that the movie had no flashing lights and it was safe to watch. Should it be noted here? JacobTheDoduo 23:17, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Possible incorrect Trivia / Errors

- "Despite numerous mentions and hints that Charizard, as well as its pre-evolution forms will die if the flame on their tail goes out; both the Charizard clone and Charmandertwo were submerged in liquid with no visible flame while in their incubation chambers."

I don't know about the Charmandertwo (I never saw the Mewtwo's Origin short), but I re-watched Mewtwo Strikes Back and the Charizard clone is never seen without a flame. This could be because my DVD is fullscreen and that part may have been cut off the edge of the screen, so I could be wrong here.

- "This is the second time Ash dies and then comes back to life, the first being in The Tower of Terror."

I agree with this, although it's inconsistent with Bulbapedia's page for The Tower of Terror (which says Ash was knocked unconscious, not killed).

- "In the beginning of the English dub of the feature film, Raymond's Machamp is shown coming out of the Poké Ball twice."

Was that just in the dub? Because if not, I don't think that's an error... it looked to me like an instant-replay (which is odd since that's not done ever, but it seems more like trivia than an error). But if it was only in the dub, then yeah, it's probably an error.

- "Mewtwo is mistakenly colored a light blue instead of a light purple on the VHS and DVD cases."

I have the DVD and he's not blue. Part of him does look blue, but other parts of him are definitely purple. This is most likely just due to the printing, and not an error. Unless it was an error and they fixed it or something. Dannyjenn 21:31, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

dub edit dispute

In the dub edits section it says they made Mewtwo into a stereotypical cold-hearted villain who just wanted world domination. BULL CRAP! Did whoever wrote that even watch the dub? Mewtwo felt betrayed due to the words and actions of Dr, Fuji and Giovanni. As such, he developed a general (and possibly racist) distrust of all humams, and thus wanted to purge the world of their influence by killing them all, as well as the pokemon who shamed themselves by submitting to the humans' will. Where in there does it say "I'm evil and i wanna rule the world"? I know 4Kids isn't the most reputable company, but at least give them some credit. Morgil27 04:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

First japanese trailer, completely different story?

A friend of mine gave me this link, it seems to be the first trailer (japanese) of the movie, but there are some scenes that weren't used in the film itself, it's kinda strange o.o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b70GRNYnacI&feature=youtu.be --AfO 02:05, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that's already stated on the page. Jo the Marten ಠ_ಠ 02:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Continuity Citation

Why exactly does it say this movie takes place between EP067 Pi-Kahuna and EP068 Make Room for Gloom, from what I've read theirs really no evidence it takes place here short of the original Japanese episode that would have been airing this week if EP038 Electric Soldier Porygon hadn't occurred. This really doesn't seem like a strong case especially because it seems to contradict the movie on 2 factors.

1)The Pirate Trainer knew who Ash was at the start of the Movie, though Ash hadn't accomplished anything noteworthy yet.

2)Pidgeotto is missing form this movie.

Though I'm sure its been suggested before, and I don't want to look like a Jerk ranting on Bulbapedia, but shouldn't this take place after EP081 because Ash just released his Pidgeot and now only has 4 Pokemon (Pikachu, Bulbasaur, Squirtle and Charizard) on hand, not to mention this was originally planned to be the movie finale to the series before it was extended. Really I just want solid evidence it takes place their and not just a release date. Bith 03:05, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Spoilers ending..?

I'm pretty sure this is the only movie page that uses the "Spoilers End Here" template. Why is that? Also, I believe it should not be used in the first place, since there are also spoilers in the Trivia section. Should it be removed? --Phoenixon (talk) 20:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Golem trivia

Pikachu got a power-up early in the anime to fight Brock, and that's why his electric attacks can hurt ground types. Does that really count as an error? Tokeupdude (talk) 02:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

It's been shown before that the movies do not always directly correspond with the anime. Besides, that "power-up" Pikachu received was pretty much situational and I don't think it has any direct correspondence with Pikachu being able to effect Ground types with its Electric moves. --Pokemaster97 03:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
The former is a cheap excuse, so I'll accept the latter. Tokeupdude (talk) 06:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Fourth Trainer Trivia

This is about the unknown fourth Trainer who departs on the back of a Fearow. She is actually seen in greater detail in the building along with all of the other Trainers as they confront Officer Jenny about the cancelled ferry. However, at the end of the movie, when the same crowd gathers, she is gone. I've already noted this in Trivia, but I have screenshots of these scenes: in detail from the front, in the crowd from above, and the crowd at the end of the movie without her. I'm going to upload the detailed one for sure, but should I combine the two shots of the crowd like a comparison, or upload them separately? --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 18:12, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

I'd say combine the two shots. Having one image of two shots side by side is better than having two separate thumbnails (for a lack of better word).--ForceFire 22:36, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Thought so too. Side-by-side, I suppose (that's how I prefer comparisons to be). I'll get on it. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 06:02, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

seadra fight with clone spotted?

Seadra and the clone. can we remove the information under the error now? -Pokeant (talk) 18:01, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Confirmed. "Error" removed. --IWannaBeTheVeryBest 12:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)