Talk:Secret card (TCG)

Template use limit

Similarly to the Full Art card list, the template use limit was already reached - had to comment some of the Japanese cards. Should this page be divided by TCG Eras, maybe? 𝐍𝐚𝐌𝐫𝐨𝐳 _►Talk 14:15, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

The first logical split would be to take the List of Japanese Secret cards to a separate page and going from there. I'd be interested to see how close we are to the template limit on that page after it's separated. ^Maverick_Nate 22:33, 26 January 2026 (UTC)

The full art page is still bloated, and uses a different template from this page. There are certainly pros and cons to each template, but consistency would be good, as these are the same type of page.

I am of the opinion that the lists should be split off into separate articles, avoiding overload and leaving room on the main page to actually describe the characteristics of these cards. Eragon4 (talk) 21:46, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

What is the next logical split, in your opinion? Per TCG Era? That way English and Japanese secret cards wouldn't really need separate pages 𝐍𝐚𝐌𝐫𝐨𝐳 _►Talk 10:54, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking e.g. List of secret cards in the Scarlet & Violet Series and have this page go into more detail about the characteristics of these cards over time (also names in other languages). Eragon4 (talk) 17:13, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

Seconding this. I think secret cards pre-BW can also probably remain on this page (we really don't need List of secret cards in the Original Series and it's just Dark Raichu), but maybe divided into individual headers to better explain the nuance. Starting with the BW header, it would just use the main template to link to a page for that Series and its JPN equivalent. The Full Art page can get this treatment too, I think. RotomAmiti (talk) 17:46, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

Before we go trying to split the page again, the next logical solution would be to adjust the list template so that it isn't using as many templates. That's the issue here, no? Template use limit? Reducing the amount of templates would be the solution to that. ^Maverick_Nate 00:57, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

There's only one template per line, which is standard. As far as a "solution" goes, even if we reduced the templates by 50%, we'd have the same problem again after 10 years of releases, the same as the initial split. However, creating separate pages for each series would avoid this issue permanently unless something changes drastically. Also, I really don't see the point in having the JP cards separate for BW+. Eragon4 (talk) 01:49, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

There are 10 templates inlcuded within each line of Template:Trainerlistbody, which could easily be reduced. ^Maverick_Nate 03:56, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

As a tangible immediate solution, we could reform the list to be coded regularly instead of via the list template, like we do on Genetic Apex (TCG Pocket)#Card list. ^Maverick_Nate 04:13, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree with this idea, since the row template is simple and doesn't need to actually be a template. I think it's also feasible for all other TCG list pages as well. C.Ezra.M (talk | contribs) 07:19, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

The only question is, do we keep the Japanese cards on this page for now, and only move them to a separate page once it's an issue with some limits? 𝐍𝐚𝐌𝐫𝐨𝐳 _►Talk 07:20, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

I disagree with this. Replacing Template:Card list/card and Template:Card list/release would be a major project-wide undertaking, and would remove information in the form of Japanese set correlation. Subdividing the page would improve relevant access, and would remain sustainable. Eragon4 (talk) 12:47, 9 March 2026 (UTC)

I've edited the Trainerlist templates to use TemplateStyles instead of inline styles; it reduced the post-expand include size by about 50% for the time being. --Abcboy (talk) 23:58, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Page Splitting?

Seeing as the page is getting quite long, was thinking of splitting the giant table by either Generation that the set came out in or by tcg era they came out in and having the tables be collapsible for viewers. Alternatively, we could do what we do for some other tcg articles and split each Generation off to it's own page and note what sets are covered in the intro for each page. I also noticed Rocket's Tyranitar seems to be missing from this page. Not saying we have to do either option but given how long the page has become over time, might be time to make it split into tables or split off to their own subpages. Frozen Fennec 16:57, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

I agree, and these are great points towards my position in the other topic on this page. Eragon4 (talk) 17:18, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

Splitting the list into sections defeats the point of having the template sortable by title/Pokemon name/Set name/chronological order. That's a feature that we provide that would be a great loss if we were to split the pages. Also, since it's the final content of the page, there's no real reason to collapse it. You'd just be hiding the information so that people can reach the end of the article faster? That doesn't really make a lot of sense in practice.

The length isn't really a problem, because as the earlier section concluded, we have a number of different ways to adjust the templates to become lighter so that all the content can still be hosted on the same page.

As for Rocket's Tyranitar, it's not an English card, so I've added it to the apprpriate page List of Japanese Secret cards here. ^Maverick_Nate 01:59, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

If it was split, it would still be in chronological/set order, just across multiple pages. If someone was searching for a particular species, they could go to that species' TCG page. I would disagree that the list is in fact the purpose of the page, as the title is "secret card" not "list of secret cards." I would be open to splitting off a single list, if necessary, but keep in mind the list will keep growing. Eragon4 (talk) 12:36, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

You have to consider that all the pages concerning the TCG rarities list all the cards ever released of said rarity - so it's logical that this page would list all the cards as well. The issue is that since the Scarlet & Violet Series, the list of secret cards is constantly growing and we just need to adjust the template usage. 𝐍𝐚𝐌𝐫𝐨𝐳 _►Talk 08:09, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

I don't see what you're talking about. Rarity does not list every card, and common, uncommon etc. don't have their own pages. Pokémon ex and such have full lists of cards, but these are game mechanics limited to certain cards from a particular time frame. Secret cards have no mechanical significance and have been released continuously for many series, so would be better compared to holofoil cards, which do not have a full list on their page. Eragon4 (talk) 13:54, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

No full list yet: User:Maverick Nate/Sheen Holofoil. ^Maverick_Nate 23:53, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

I don't see a statement on how you're planning to integrate that, though. I think the most natural way would be to have a {{main}} under the section for each pattern, and this article should get similar treatment. Eragon4 (talk) 00:20, 13 March 2026 (UTC)