Talk:Ash's Torterra

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Route 203?

How is this possible when: 1.) Buenary was caught a few episodes later on route 202 where they started and Ash caught Starly. 2.) They haven't been through Jubilife city yet, and route 203 is on the opposite side. Sorry, but this is just not possible. ~GT4GTR

The Anime is DIFFRENT than the games. n00b. Crystal Lucario 12:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Good question. I'll look into it more. And Crystallucario, lay off. He only asked a question. --Theryguy512 12:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah Crystal, you dont just yell at someone that's asking a questionShiny Lucario 12:15, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and i'm only a 14 year old kid. ~GT4GTR

Well, just remember, this is the same anime that says Route 24 leads to Vermilion City. TTEchidna 06:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Yea. And the same anime where Ash is able to carry an 100-pound Hippopotas on top of his head with the slightest of ease... --Theryguy512 11:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

<.<' whoa I'm only 12 almost 13... Crystal Lucario 12:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so the anime is different, but still, how did route 203 come up? Did anyone say route 203? ~GT4GTR

You were the one who brought it up. YOU tell ME. Sorry I was so rude...just then. Let's be friends!DaPikanator56 00:48, 31 March 2008 (UTC)DaPikanator56

I know this is old, but it still says route 203. I didn't bring it up, it says it ON THE PAGE. Is there an proof that he was caught on route 203? (GT4GTR 10:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC))

Considering that two episodes before it we have proof that Sato-tachi were on Route 202, and it's not until 5 episodes later that they get to Kotobuki City, I would assume that Neatle was caught on Route 202, not Route 203. Unfortunately, the 10th Movie map gives no little evidence on where Neatle was caught, because it doesn't have a subtitle beneath it where it appears. Since neither Route 202 or Route 203 are mentioned, there isn't an official statement that they are on either when Neatle is caught. However, it seems much more likely to assume that they are on Route 202, than our assumption of Route 203. Of course, we can't go about and change this all until he becomes Satoshi's Hayashigame, can we? Satosuke 13:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Protect Until October 30th

There have already been several speculative edits and reverts over the topic of a possible evolution in DP100. Shouldn't this page be protected until October 30th? Satosuke 14:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The evolution has now been confirmed but our policy is to not move the article until the episode airs. Yeah, the protection should stick. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 16:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Why was the protection banner removed? It said because it spoils the episode, but so what? Plenty of other pokémon articles have used this, such as May's pokémon when she returned for the Wallace Cup, so why can't the banner be used now?

----HoennMaster 16:51, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

That banner just said there was a chance that something happens to Turtwig. But we now know what exactly happens so the banner has no use there. Jmath 16:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
SOme people just don't like spoilers anyway--Tavisource 16:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
And who's to say this isn't its final appearance? Remember, the banner said "evolve and/or leave". Given many different Turtwig, Grotle, and Torterra appear in this episode, it's possible we could have an Ash's Pidgeot-like situation on our hands, and we don't want people putting that in like it was confirmed. Remember, Chimchar is Ash's signature traditional elemental starter in Generation IV--and this would probably be the biggest and best way to send Turtwig off. I mean, if the writers had planned on making Turtwig Ash's signature elemental starter, Chimchar would either be in Brock's hands or still under Paul's control right now. --Shiningpikablu252 20:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

So? We had pictures of May's Wartortle from the Wallace Cup and there was still a banner saying it might evolve.

----HoennMaster 17:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Probably because there was still a chance at the time of the revelation that it could be seen onscreen evolving--even in the episode where Wartortle was first confirmed to appear evolved. --Shiningpikablu252 20:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok...but that still doesn't say anything about why the banner was removed here.

----HoennMaster 20:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Probably because Kenji-girl is paranoid. --Shiningpikablu252 20:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Scuse me. I'm not paranoid. You the ones who told be we don't mention anything until the episode airs. Isn't that what the banner is doing? We did the same thing for Ash's Chimchar for like a month and it wasn't even evolving. --ケンジガール 06:13, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
"evindence that the subject of this article may evolve or leave." We don't mention anything, regarding of course, the fact of the evolution in the article itself, as if it's already happened, however, this banner warns users that an evolution may occur and to be careful handling information related to it, as rumors may be flying around. The banner exists to tell users "Yes we know it's likely evolving, keep your pants on about it until the episode airs because the rule is "as of the most recent Japanese episode". It's not that the rule is that we can't acknowledge the fact, it's that we don't move anything until it happens. It's why I comment that stuff out. TTEchidna 06:32, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
!!!!it alredy evolved check and look at ashs bio, evolved before dp100 so ur speculations were wrong Ritchie

yes hes right....kinda. serebii did say turtwig evolved and they even have a pic of ash and grotle, but it still said it evolved in Turtwig, Grotle.....Torterra!? or whatever its called Happizelpom 13:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

It was also my idea about the "until it airs" thing, and I previews ARE OFFICIAL.--Tavisource 23:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

You guys need to read, it even says on the main page that it contains spoilers for NEXT WEEK'S episode.

----HoennMaster 14:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

man just go to serebii and find out for urself. they usually update stuff before bulba and even if it says NEXT WEEK, it already happened..i guess he just got a preview pic or someting..Ritchie
Ritchie's right. Its on serebii, and I think we can rely on it. DP099 already aired and got some episode preview for DP100.. isn't that enough proof?--kebs. 14:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Seriously does anyone here know how to read? Yes, it comes from the episode preview, but turtwig won't evolve until next week as it says on Serebii.

----HoennMaster 14:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

oh, I get it. imaiso*. --kebs. 14:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Preview = didn't happen yet, folks. TTEchidna 21:09, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
ye but thats the points of a preview. u find out what happenes before hand , eurging u to watch it. so now we know he gets a grotle. thats final Blazinhariison
so tte, your basically saying a preview is wrong??? Ritchie
i think u mean that "it may be a preview but hte episode didnt air", however tte the preview is FROM the episode and it just showed us what WILL happen...P.S. im also ritchie lol Blazinhariison

Please sign your comments with the time stamp of the four tildes. That being said, it's also possible that Grotle could evolve again, leave later in the episode; we just DON'T KNOW. That's why we don't jump the gun and put in information that COULD be false. Yes, we know that Turtwig is going to evolve at least once. We've known this with a high percentage of certainty for a while now. But, we cannot post it until we know just what happens next week. Serebii doesn't know what happens in the next episode, only what was shown in the preview. So we cannot post it as if it were true unless we know the full truth of the matter. Satosuke 23:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

yay it evolved!


Why do people keep chaning this to 95? It appears debuts in DP005 so that makes it 96. --HoennMaster 03:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Try 100-5= 95 :3...... It actually does evolve 95 episodes after its capture. --Force Fire 03:56, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
How the heck does anyone get that 5 + 96 = 100... Math refresher course for everyone. 95 episodes makes it the same amount as Grovyle's into Scepty, too. TTEchidna 04:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I know how to do Math, but 95 is wrong. It may evolve 95 episodes later, but it still appears as a Turtwig in 96 episodes. --HoennMaster 04:15, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

That's the point. It evolved 95 episodes later. It's not how many episodes it appeared as a Turtwig in, otherwise we'd have Brock's Steelix taking 5 episodes to evolve. Seriously, how often did that thing appear? TTEchidna 04:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I know there's a particular way to count. For Example: How many days until saturday? Since today is Saturday, and if we include Saturday in the count it would be eight days (Sat, Sun, Mon, Tue, Wen, Thu, Fri, and Sat) even though it's only supposed to seven days. But we don't do that in math (start from a certain digit and include the same digit in the math). In math it's always the next "digit" that counts when we start from "something" (like "1" we start from "0" but we don't include it). Another example, 5+5 is 10 but we don't count the first 5 as part of the equation, the count continues on 6. HoennMaster if we did it your way 5+5 would equal 11 not 10. So the same thing applies to Turtwig's evolution count. It's debut episode basically doesn't count in the equation since it's the "something" we start from in the count. We start with DP06 as "1" not DP05 "0"--Dman dustin 09:03, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't need a math lesson, I know full well how to do Math. Also, I don't need a million people telling me the same thing. Redundancy is not good. --HoennMaster 10:36, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah well and you don't need to take it offensively. Why the hell do people get offended, when people are trying to help them? --Dman dustin 12:35, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

rock climb

what does it mean by "Grotle surpassed its own limits and learned rock climb through its willpower alone" dont all pokemon do that? Happizelpom 03:41, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I think what is meant is that Grotle didn't have the speed for an attack that required a lot of movement, yet it conquered at least some of it's speed limits by it's own willpower to save Ash. Grei 02:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Conversation Closed. Please do not reply on old discussions. Thank you. --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 11:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


I want some reason that why this picture is horrible.

I think the general theory is that if it has the Trainer in the photo, it's clearly the Trainer's Pokémon and this picture is clearly proving that Ash is the trainer of this grotle. So i think this is the right picture for this article. If you guys still feel that it is a horrible picture then please give me some reasons. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 03:57, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

It's called blurry... ht14 03:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
You beat me to it... but then again, I wasn't on late enough to see this. R.A. Hunter B. 21:03, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
And's better HD.--Tavisource 02:19, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


Did Ash's Grotle use Overgrow in DP141? Just need this clarified, since I would have to wait until the episode is dubbed. --rockersk08 00:48, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 01:02, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I just needed clarification because some don't believe so. But the only way to be positive is for the English dub. Thanks anyway. --rockersk08 01:04, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
My pleasure. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 01:07, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

If this is true, then why is it still unknown in the ability box? (just curious) --wytsalvy 17:24, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Because it was proven that it wasn't overgrow, but Grotle being powered up. Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 17:50, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


When did that happen? I didn't see it use SolarBeam. Though the video was very glitchy. --ケンジガール 03:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

That would be because it didn't learn solarbeam and people are just making it up. --DSDark 04:11, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
It didn't learned Solar Beam. I watched the whole episode clearly. --♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 09:06, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

A Move Improvised?

Isnt Grotle eating its Energy Ball in some way a move improvised? User: BAC510 00:08, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Evolution Protection

The Greatest - Everyday! has heavily implied that Grotle is soon to evolve (basically Torterra appeared alongside Ash's Pokémon while Grotle was missing), so this page needs to be protected from the 'jumping the gun'ers out there. Watchermark 11:20, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

It is. - Kogoro | Talk to me - 11:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Until then, I propose that this bumper be used. - Chosen of Mana- 16:06, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Ability is missing

Turtwig and its evolution family only have one ability; an ability shared with the rest of the starters. PLease add it. - 050294 00:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

We have a policy that states that the abilities of anime Pokémon are only put in the article when it is literally said in the anime. Grotle's ability hasn't been explicitly said to be Overgrow, so we cannot add it in. —darklordtrom 00:46, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

DP166 Evolution Possibility

I checked through serebiinetforums and a User there posted a new summary from the TVtokyo Site, with the text translating to:'Sunyshore Tower Hijacked!? The key to the solution is Torterra!?' The template on Grotle's Page should show DP166 as its possible evolution episode. Thanks. User:BAC510 09:19 February 19, 2010 (UTC)

I know, I checked TV Tokyo myself and it is MENTIONED there. I am 10000% sure that Ash's Grotle is going to evolve in DP166 but we should wait for the episode before doing anything crazy/speculated. --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 09:22, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Guess what? Wait.--ForceFire 10:40, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 10:48, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I think this user is saying to change the banner so that it shows DP166 as when it may evolve, meaning the template at the top should say this: {{EpiProtect|evolve|DP166|March 4, 2010}} Turtwig A (talk | contribs) 12:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Personally I'm still hesitant with the new information, I think we should wait for possibly a new summary of the episode, before changing the banner. With Infernape it was obvious, but this is a little more difficult to buy, true Grotle could evolve in DP166 as the small summary seems to imply, but still not quite convincing. If it's changed fine, but I still feel hesitant to say with "Banner" certainty. --Dman dustin 12:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that the mere mention of a Pokemon that happens to evolve from something the main characters own isn't enough to warrant that banner. However, when said main character's Pokemon is confirmed to be evolving sometime in the near future in any case, that's a different story. - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 21:18, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, in DP166, Grotle evolves into a Torterra. Torterra evolves during the battle with Team Rocket in Sunyshore Tower. It also learns Leaf Storm. Pokemon26 16:01, 24 July 2010. (UTC)Pokemon26 16:02, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

and you replied to a months old comment...WHY? (Ataro 16:13, 24 July 2010 (UTC))

Do you have a problem with me replying to a question only a couple months old??? pokemon26 01:04, 2 August 2010.

Because it's like seriously old news and already taken proven correct? Seriously. Why do you have to make a point when the article itself is titled "Ash's Torterra"? We OBVIOUSLY knew it already. That's why we don't reply to old comments. --ケンジガール 01:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Recently used move(s)

As Grotle appeared in DP164 but only used Energy Ball I think that Razor Leaf, Synthesis and Rock Climb should no longer be considered as recently used moves (as it hasn't used any of them since DP144). Watchermark 15:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Does it even matter which moves were used most recently? I think the last contest episode proved that Pokémon in the anime are not limited to four moves at a time! Ursula's Plusle and Minun each used Charge, Discharge, Encore, Spark, Helping Hand, and Charge Beam. That's six, count 'em, six moves! - unsigned comment from Missingno. Master (talkcontribs) 21:15, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Not the point of the recent moves thing. tc²₆tc26 00:08, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
It may not matter what moves were used recently, but it is still noted. Besides, usually when a main character's Pokémon learns a new move an old one is phased out (look at Pikachu, he's never used Thunder after learning Volt Tackle). Fair enough Grotle hasn't learned anything new recently, but you can't deny it's been a while since it used anything besides Energy Ball. Watchermark 00:17, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
My comment is for Missingno., if you're unaware. tc²₆tc26 00:40, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
So was mine Watchermark 09:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Changing the Evolution Banner!

DP166 Preview just aired and I was right about the evolution. It's set to happen in this episode. Time to change it please. User:BAC510 19:34 February 25, 2010 (UTC)

not yet we have to wait till the episode airs don't ask me why that's just the rules--Grungle7 20:14, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

That's not what BAC510 was referring to, he was referring to the banner it needs to be changed so it says "There is evidence this Pokemon will evolve in DP166, and will be unprotected when DP166 airs on March 4 2010" or something like that. He wasn't saying the page itself should be updated just the evolution banner.--Dman dustin 22:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Grotle Will Evolve In DP 166?

I just watched a preview of DP166. It showed Grotle evolving. - unsigned comment from Empoleon222 (talkcontribs)

Cool beans. But we're still waiting until it airs. For all we know they could be trolling and the whole glowing bit is just an epic new move, not an evolution. 梅子 04:11, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree with you (ume) that we should wait until it airs (For all we know they could be trolling and the whole glowing bit is just an epic new move, not an evolution? Lol, now that was very funny :D). --♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 04:29, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
We have to wait, can't change it because it's still a Grotle. --HoennMaster 05:38, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
How about now? It's been around 2 hours or so, and the article is still protected. --Dman dustin 12:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
I think admins are waiting for a good image for torterra. - unsigned comment from Adyniz (talkcontribs)

Type Advantage against Luxray...?

"In DP166, Grotle was used in Ash's first Gym battle against Volkner's Luxray where, despite the type-advantage"

Grotle doesn't have a type advantage against Electric-types, it's only a Grass-type.Grei 03:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

And Grass-type are resistant to Electric-type attacks, hence a type advantage. Werdnae (talk) 03:51, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
"Type advantage" suggests that Grotle's type can trump Luxray's. Wouldn't something like, "despite not having a type-disadvantage" be better, or maybe even an omission of that part entirely? Grei 02:12, 10 March 2010 (UTC)


I deleted the part about Torterra appearing in DP186 because this is not confirmed and torterra was not seen in the preview therefor it is too soon to add this.RBK 20:51, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Energy Ball

Shouldn't energy ball's first use be listed under the episode Turtwig first used it, instead of when he mastered it. Ash's Glailie, Gible, and Gliscor all have the episode for when they first used the move (ice beam, draco meteor, and giga impact, respectively) instead of when they mastered it--Burgundy 06:19, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Cyndaquil155 19:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Is 622 episodes earlier accurate?

I noticed that the page says Torterra was Ash's first dual Grass-type since Bulbasaur which was caught 622 episodes earlier, is this referring to the episode it was caught? It should refer to the episode it evolved into Torterra, as Turtwig and Grotle are pure Grass-type. PinkYoshiGaming (talk) 23:52, 7 November 2023 (UTC)