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Oh look, guys. Another archived page. Let's take care not to bombard me with questions on the release of Black and White. I won't have the game until the US release in March. Kogsie does have the Japanese game, though. So bombard her or Deth unless you really need my opinion.

Also, if you need something to do, take a look over at the right side of the page. We need that stuff done. TTEchidna

Hello.

I returned your(Mr. TTEchidna) article. Let's talk with me. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Arceus_(Pok%C3%A9mon) Sawamular101 08:57, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, Arceus god Pokémon, I'm the one country called Argentina (sorry for bad translations, is the translator) recorded in the bulbapedia me to talk only about my friend code is 4855-9477-2344 my name is Gold, I like that tomorrow, Saturday, we could connect and make some trades. --Arceus god Pokémon 00:53, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

What. What is this? I don't just... trade Pokémon. TTEchidna 05:47, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

01010100 01101000 01100101 01101110 00100000 01110111 01101000 01100001 01110100 00100000 01100100 01101111 00100000 01111001 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100100 01101111 00111111--444Zekrom 11:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Party Templates

How literally are we supposed to interpret the Gen I ones? Most Trainers had only classes so should our templates do the same? Blue, Giovanni, and the other Leaders should have no classes technically, and Prof. isn't really a class, his name is Prof. Oak. Also, Jessie and James had no name, only ROCKET and Lt. Surge is only Surge in Stadium.----MisterE13 01:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Prof. is the class, like Passerby is with Silver on his first battle. You can omit the classes and just have the class be the name. Only named Trainers use that in Gen I, far as I can remember... TTEchidna 05:04, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh wait, I'm an idiot. Oak's battle is in Gen I. TTEchidna 21:10, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Something wrong with this account

TTE, I have question. HOW COME I CAN EDIT OTHERS' ACCOUNTS? Normally I can't right?-444Zekrom 07:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

...what the heck do you mean? You can edit anyone's userpage by clicking the "edit this page" button. They aren't their account, dude. It's a wiki. These are pages. The account data is not on your page. It's in the database. And only a select few have access to that. Just don't save edits you make to others' pages without their or our prior consent, unless it's breaking something (such as categorizing pages in a way they should not be, like a person's page names them as, for example, a usertag). TTEchidna 07:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

So I see... thanks.-444Zekrom 07:03, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Question

"Junior Administrators are allowed to edit and create pages that are otherwise protected from editing and creation to those other than Administrators." I tried that recently, but I couldn't. Is that part actually true? ^tc²₆tc₂₆ 13:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Either:

1) It has not much info on the topic (I think, at least); or

2) It contains excessive, if not all, fanon, or any other personal reason (like 1) or it was previously deleted by an admin or user because it doesn't contribute) and thus was or is block by an admin.

--444Zekrom 15:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I may have put down cascading protection. Cascading protection still locks out JAs, for some reason. TTEchidna 21:09, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

JAs have never been able to create protected pages. I'm not entirely sure why. —darklordtrom 02:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Might be different permissions. TTEchidna 04:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I went through them, though, and couldn't determine which permission it would be under. Twas odd. —darklordtrom 10:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I want to battle you!

I am requesting a battle with you. If you win, I will take back my filler info comment. If I win, i will still apologize to you. --Pokemon26 18:55, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely not the place to do this. TTEchidna 21:07, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Before I start ripping mugshots from Pokémon Card GB 2

What file format should I use for them? Zsaberslash 20:29, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I would never say anything other than png. TTEchidna 20:53, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Zsaberslash 20:59, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

A little help, if you may.

See, I have a problem. Now, thankfully, I can edit my userpage, but I need help: see, I want to use the character template for most pages on playable and non-playable characters, and also the template to show your Pokemon team. [I mean like those kind of articles for trainers/Gym Leaders]. Can you please direct to me the template page for it or maybe give me the template. [Do it on my page, if you can]. A President Named C-Dawg.

I keep talk threads in the same place. And the best way to learn is to figure out how to operate that template. It's {{Party}}, while the Pokémon inside are {{Pokémon}}. TTEchidna 00:45, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Junior Administrator

I recently looked a junior administrator, Chuggaconroy, and looked at his contributions and he has only made 1 edit in the past 91 days. Do you think you should relieve him of rank, or still keep him as a JA?--Dbeckelheimer6 01:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

You don't know who he is? TTEchidna 01:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Not really. Could you tell me a little bit more about him so I change my mind about him? (Not to be offensive)--Dbeckelheimer6 01:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Check the news archives. TTEchidna 08:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Again

I don't know if you remember me, but at one point I asked for your permission to use bulbapedia pokemon descriptions in the tabletop game called Pokemon: Tabletop Adventures. The project is currently in Beta and is doing fairly well, considering how many online tabletop gaming communities play it. In fact, there are times where the Critical Failures (tabletop gaming) board, on the Penny Arcade forums, is filled with campaigns being run and the only games with more topics than Pokemon: Tabletop Adventures on the front page are Warhammer and Dungeons & Dragons (although the ratio at the time was 15 D&D topics, 7 Warhammer topics, 6 P:TA topics and 7 other tabletop games). Anyway, my group will most surely be updating for the upcoming release of the fifth generation of Pokemon I was wondering if it would be okay to further copy and paste any new descriptions of pokemon that may come up. Credit would of course be given again, as it was during the initial release of Beta, and every update since then (putting it at Beta 1.07). Thank you for your time and consideration. A link back to our forums: http://s4.zetaboards.com/Pokemon_Tabletop/site/ --User:DrMrStark 04:50, 12 September 2010 (PDT)

If I said okay before, it still is in play. Just make sure to keep in contact. TTEchidna 01:12, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Ph4mp573r

Ph4mp573r is a user, obviously a sockpuppet (probably one). We better question him...--444Zekrom 12:20, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

No, he's not. —darklordtrom 22:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Quick question

In D/P/Pt, HM05 was displayed as a Water-type HM, but contained a Flying-type move.

In the new learnset template, it's displayed as a Flying-type HM.

Just wondering, would there be any way to edit the template so that Defog's HM could be displayed as Water-type, or would that be too much work and/or too minor to worry about?--Cold (talk) 22:11, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. It's a Flying-type move. They just F'd up, and it's trivia for the HM05 page. But not something we should display on all instances of its appearance. TTEchidna 01:11, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Learnset category

I'm just a little curious how a regular user would take a Pokémon off the old learnset category. I've done a few and I can't find a way to take them off the list. Jo The Marten 01:27, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

It's automatic, when you update the page with the new template, just purge the page. —♥ Jello^talk 01:34, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Alright. If that's the case, something is up with Cyndaquil. I made his learnset template and he's still in the category. The other Pokémon I did are off the list but Cyndaquil is still there. Jo The Marten 01:38, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Sometimes the category pages take a while to update. TTEchidna 02:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Questions

I have two questions. First, is this OK to be mainspaced? Second, why is there a learnset namespace included in the Recent Changes namespace modifier? Turtwig's A-B-Cs (talk | contribs) 11:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

"Triple battles is"? Also, that's there because of what we may do in the future. Just ignore it. TTEchidna 19:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Seriusly This Has Been Bothering Me For A While

With the arrival of generation five, we learned that none of the old Pokēmon will be in the Regional Pokédex. There are literaly hundereds of trivia stating that a Pokémon or Pokémon family has been in every Regional Pokédex up to date. Should sombody go back and delete all of these facts or at least change them? EpicShadow 20:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, they only need to be changed to mention that they're in every regional Pokédex in the Japan-centric Pokémon nation (which itself needs to be moved). TTEchidna 21:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of that... has anybody actualy confirmed what nation Issue is based on. I know that many speculate it to be America but I've also heard that it might be China. Both of these are highly likely because they both have a large influence on Japenes media but I would like to know for sure which nation it is and what region of that nation it is in. --EpicShadow 14:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

It's confirmed to be NY by many sources, including interviews.--でんのう ☢ Zえんし 14:41, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Hello

I hope you don't mind me using this as a means to notify you (and you may already be aware) but the starter evos have been fully confirmed:

[1] [2] [3]

From the official daisuki club site.

Ah. Hrm. Mainspacing those then... it seems. TTEchidna 22:50, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Gen V names

What, you didn't like my romanizations? I see PokéBeach copied them all. :) --Argy 05:44, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

The thing is, we had the articles at different names. So that was making redlinks where there should be none. I'd prefer Gearl, anyway, but meh. TTEchidna 05:50, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

If you prefer it, then why not change the article name? You will have to anyway when the official romanizations surface. --Argy 18:02, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

That's why I haven't changed them yet. In case the official romanization is different. TTEchidna 01:03, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Abilities

I was actually thinking we should divide them by generation, like the moves. Can be discussed at some point tomorrow, if you want, and if I can find time to come online. It's shaping up to be one of those weeks... —darklordtrom 10:44, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps have their boxes be colored differently depending on the generation of availability. No Gen I-III Pokémon get Gen IV abilities until Gen IV, no Gen III/IV Pokémon get Gen V abilities until Gen V. And any past generations' abilities that they do get, like Bulbasaur with Chlorophyll, are Dream World abilities, and thus not available until Gen V. TTEchidna 17:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Well of course. And it says that in the footer. But not everyone knows the debut generation of every ability.

I think the only potential confusion will be for those Pokémon which gained second abilities in the fourth/fifth (if any) generations. So perhaps even a superscript annotation "IV onwards" would do. I think it's fairly obvious that Dream World abilities will be fifth only...

I don't suppose you know a sneaky way to get rid of that self-link bold either? Would an #ifeq=PAGENAME thing in that template kill the wiki? —darklordtrom 22:11, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Considering the fact that the ability pages tell you what the ability does, as well as what generation it came from... I don't know.

If it's obvious Dream World abilities are V-on... why should it not be obvious that an ability that didn't exist in Gen III or IV cannot be had by a Pokémon in that generation. TTEchidna 22:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

It's obvious Dream World abilities are V-on because the Dream World is in V only. It's implied by the column. The other columns, though, are ambiguous if you don't know what abilities were introduced in what generation. —darklordtrom 10:47, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

It's obvious that Generation II moves can't be had by a Pokémon in Generation I, even by trading back due to the time capsule restriction. We don't put on every Gen I Pokémon's Gen II learnset "Generation II moves, marked with a II, must be forgotten in Blackthorn City before this Pokémon can be traded back to Generation I". It's on the move page what generation the move's from, and we can't and shouldn't put all information on one page. Besides. Gen III and Gen IV are outdated. So we either ignore them (as is the case in most instances, like, say, Magnemite) or make subpages! TTEchidna 17:31, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

That's not the same thing at all. You don't transfer Pokémon from Generation IV back to Generation III. The comparison would rather be the different distributions of the move in each generation. I don't see what the problem is with including as much information as possible. It's helpful. We don't ignore Magnemite's former single-type status; it's documented all over the site including on Magenemite's page and the pages for the Electric- and Steel-types. —darklordtrom 01:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Then how do we show it without it looking dumb? TTEchidna 07:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

In the TCG - 5th Gen Edition

Would it be prudent to add in this: <!-- {{main|Pokémon (TCG)}} --> Pokémon has not yet been featured in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

to the Gen V Pokémon articles? I can find some time to help, if need be. --P o L i 22:20, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

All the hidden main links are already there. I already suggested the outside statement; however, it was shot down: "Why should the TCG have something and not everything else." They will be there soon enough. There are already like 20 or so created. I'm getting the disambigs up pretty quickly but not the actual card pages. I don't think the outside would be necessary. 23:16, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

I think we'll wait for the first couple releases from the new TCG. TTEchidna 07:19, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

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Nate, you signed your comment wrong. :x And alright, I didn't check to see if the hidden mains were already there, just assumed they weren't. What do you mean you're getting the disambigs up but not the actual card pages? There haven't been any B/W cards released...? Right? TTE, I'd advise against waiting for more than one Japanese B/W TCG release to note cards that have/have not been featured. --P o L i 11:53, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

There are 25 cards released; 18 Pokémon featured. ^Maverick_Nate 15:45, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Like I said. First couple. Obviously all 156 new Pokémon won't be in the same set, even if they've been getting progressively bigger. Base Set was 102, with only 69 of the first 151 Pokémon. Neo Genesis was 73 of the then-existent 251... and from there on out it became a lengthy time to get every Pokémon in a generation out. Once we see what's in the first BW expansion, then we'll throw the "X has not been featured in the TCG as of yet" on there. TTEchidna 04:43, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Or we can just leave it blank. ^Maverick_Nate 16:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Name redirects

I made redirects for Pokémon names to their (Pokémon) counterparts. You might want to apply move=sysop and probably edit=sysop as well to them; see the list here. Also, I had to skip these pages because they had sysop level protections: Janoby, Chaobu, Futachimaru, Choroneko, Dangoro, Moguryuu (literal romaji spelling), Doryuuzu (literal romaji spelling), Monmen, Churine, Rankurusu, Mebukijika, Tamagetake, Denchura and Ononokusu. UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 23:01, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm... TTEchidna 04:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

More into this, these ones are creation protected as well: Janoby (Pokemon), Futachimaru (Pokemon), Minezumi (Pokemon), Miruhoggu (Pokemon), Musharna (Pokemon), Gigaiasu (Pokemon), Koromori (Pokemon), Moguryuu (Pokemon), Doryuuzu (Pokemon), Desukaan (Pokemon), Mamanbou (Pokemon), Denchura (Pokemon) and Ononokusu (Pokemon). UltimateSephiroth ^{(about me · chat · edits)} 22:33, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

{{MS}}

On the (type) pages, the tables that display the Pokémon use the MS template like this: {{MS|###|Name (Pokémon)}}

In my opinion, {{MSP}} would be much better suited for this. Would I be allowed to convert them?--Cold (talk) 21:02, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes. TTEchidna 06:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Emails

Did you get my emails? Just asking...TheRevived 02:47, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Revolts

Have you ever thought that all of the users without userpages rising up in a revolt, led by a very charismatic Kuki, Thelateryears, Ph43r, or Mjakson438, manually reversing all of you and your cronies' edits, blanking your talk pages, and flooding your inbox with hundreds upon hunderds of threats, inflammatory messages, or such?

Think about it for a few moments... TheRevived 04:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

This is not cryptic, just drop everything and think about it.TheRevived 04:11, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Kuki is suddenly Hitler? Last I checked, he was Jewish... Anyway, threats like that aren't exactly gonna work on me. Besides. It's a fucking wiki. There is no way to do any lasting damage, and it's literally no more than a minor nuisance, considering I have the ability to lock the wiki from editing, delete revisions, block your IP indefinitely, and a whole hell of a lot of other things. TTEchidna 04:32, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

No, I meant that many users will rise upon the network and virtually destroy all of you. The leaders will help rebuild it in a better light, and they'll sure not let "you and your grunts" in, i.e. put a century-long block on any IP any of you have. TheRevived 23:38, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Lightningrod and Storm Drain

it has been profed hat this abilities negate the damages of the types so could you add this to the Type effectiveness template and unlock Shimama (Pokémon)? --Hanmac 10:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Do they now? They didn't used to... TTEchidna 14:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

They do now. Lots of new and improved "F*** Yeah, Seaking!" memes have been popping all over the webs thanks to it. Ground-types are still immune to Electric moves and their immunity keeps Lightning Rod's secondary effect from kicking in, though. Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 14:43, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

What secondary effect? The negation of the moves, or drawing them? TTEchidna 16:38, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

It still draws the moves, but gives immunity to them and raises the Pokémon's Sp.Att. Pikiwyn 16:46, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

It will draw the moves, but not raise the Sp. Atk. For example, Rhydon will still protect any partners from Electric-type moves, but will never receive a Sp. Atk boost, Shimama will do both and yet receive no damage from the moves. Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 18:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

A Special Attack boost? Suddenly Gastrodon is way more viable. TTEchidna 00:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I know, he finally has something to rub in Quagsire's face since it stole his exclusivity over Recover! Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 01:22, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Gym predictions

You should do them again, and update the anime teams.Ethan brendan lucas 16:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Eh. TTEchidna 16:40, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Psycho page

What happened to it? It's been redlinked for AGES now, and I've been wanting updates since you took it off your userpage. TyphlosionBlaze 04:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

I got lazy. It'll be around eventually. TTEchidna 04:06, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

A question

Hello, I am DeadUniverse, brand new user on Bulbapedia. As you are an Admin (the RecentChanges showed your name in green, so I guessed you are one), I got a question.

1. I read trough the Manual of style and the userpage policy, though I still don't have the authority to edit in the User namespace to make my userpage. I have activated my account trough my email too. How do I fix this? I have also made some edits as it told me too, when I went into edit mode.

~ DeadUniverse ^Hello! 07:08, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

You'll get the ability to after you've been here for a while and after you've made some edits to the mainspace. It's not just the edits that count. Plus, now's a bad time to make a userpage. TTEchidna 07:11, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Why can't I upload better TCG images?

Hi TTEchidna,

I was trying recently to upload a new, Hi-Res image of Shining Magikarp to replace the old one, but when I clicked on 'Submit' it is said that I don't have the permission to do this! It is also the same if somebody uploads NEW images that weren't on BulbaPedia before (like personal images). Could it be possivle that the Archives are still locked from editing though they aren't supposed to be anymore? TokoyamiTheDark 16:29, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The archives were locked along with Bulbapedia and have yet to be unlocked.--Pokélova! 16:34, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The Archives is a separate entity and the Editor in Chief there still apparently does not want it unlocked yet. ^Maverick_Nate 16:35, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Wish my word were able to keep BP locked longer, though. TTEchidna 05:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

pokemon

u used profanity a lot, so i'll use it. WHY THE H*** CAN'T FRICKIN' ANYONE TELL ME WHAT THE H*** THOSE DAMN POKEMON AT THE TOP OF TALK PAGES ARE FOR? IS IT SOME SORT OF SECRET?

Pokémon Health = User's Talk Page Space left. Simple. --AWA 01:04, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Yep. TTEchidna 05:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Something I'd like to discuss

TTE, there is one Isshu that I'm focusing on. That would be the Isshu region's page.

More specifically, it is the fact that many people have been mislead by the wording on the page. It leads one to believe that the basis of Isshu is New York.

Which it isn't.

New York is merely the motif, the design on the land, not the basis of the land itself.

If it were truly the basis, why would the Motif be used not only in the PokePia of last month but also on Nintendo.co.jp (http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index2.html) and Game Freak's official blog (http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=286).

It is not confirmed in any way to based solely on New York. Any source who says that has no official proof. And frankly, I want Bulbapedia to be as accurate as possible.

Can you please fix the information on the page? This is not speculation, this is fact. What is up right now is speculation.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 00:57, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

It's New York. Period. Look at Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh. They don't match directly to Japan's regions. Hiun's just south Manhattan. TTEchidna 05:32, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

No, it's not. There are too many size discrepancies between Isshu and New York. And there are plenty of other isshus that make an extremely strong case against Isshu being 100% Manhattan. If you ignore all those facts, you're really, really sorry. And if you ignore the fact that 2 OFFICIAL SOURCES FROM THE GAME DEVELOPMENT TEAM and the company that owns all the rights to the game , not fan sites, not some sites that don't deserve any trust from us, have stated, and I quote, イッシュ地方とした今回の舞台のモチーフはニューヨーク (New York is Isshu's Motif. モチーフ: this means motif. It translates as Mochifu.) then how dense are you?

Seriously, pull your head out of your butt and look at the FACTS. No OFFICIAL source has comfirmed anything beyond the Motif level. In fact, if anyone other that Nintendo or Game Freak says the opposite, they're contradicting the highest-level-possible authority on the matter. And that includes this page.

Change it. NOW.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 14:08, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

They would similarly claim that Kansai is Johto's motif. The difference between Isshu and New York is the fact that if it were based on New York totally, all we'd have is city. And technically, that'd essentially be true of the rest of the regions. Japan is a densely-populated country. TTEchidna 18:37, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

http://www.gamefreak.co.jp/blog/dir/?p=105

Do you know what it says there?

九州を舞台にしたんです。

"Kyushu is a stage."

So no, they would not use the word motif to describe the land's basis. They would use the word motif. Motif, when used for Hoenn, would describe Hoenn's tropical feel. Not the terrain and not it's coastline. The terrain of all regions tend to match the terrain of their real-life counterparts. Not climates. Climates have definitely been changed. But the geographic terrain is the same.

And FYI, Manhattan does not have dual mountain ranges.

Also, just to check, do you understand the definition of the word "motif"?

Motif is to Model/Stage/Basis as is the pattern of a shirt to the shirt itself. The motif of a shirt could be anything: Tye-dye, pinstripe, plaid. But does that change the base model of the shirt? No, it doesn't. Say you grab 3 of the same shirts off a shirt making line before they go to dyeing. They're all the same color: a dull white. A blank slate. Then you proceed to dye the first shirt red, the second shirt blue and the third shirt purple. Does that change the base shirts' shape or anything? No. It changes the motif (color) of the shirt.

This can also be applied to the Pokemon series: The motif of Isshu is New York. Take away all the cities, roads and non-geographical features. What are you left with? You're left with the base of Isshu, a location with three-peninsulas , dual mountain ranges on opposite peninsulas and a lake on the middle one. Does the geographical terrain of Manhattan match up to that?

Simple answer: No, it does not.

Do you understand my point yet?

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 20:13, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Hoenn doesn't match up to Kyushu exactly. OMGZ MOTIFFFFF. Isshu is just as based on New York as Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh are based on Kanto, Kansai, Kyushu, and Hokkaido. Just in a different manner. TTEchidna 20:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Hoenn, if rotated 90 degrees clockwise (like it was confirmed to be, compared to Kyushu, by Mr. Junichi Masuda), will match the terrain and coastline of Kyushu pretty closely. The same cannot be said for Isshu and Manhattan. Your point is null.

Question still remains: Do you understand my point yet?

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 20:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

And FYI, if you strip away all the non-geographical parts of Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh and even the Ranger series games, you will find they match almost perfectly to that of their real-life bases.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 20:25, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright, Mackinz. You're seriously being annoying. Don't you think TTE has better things to do than argue with you endlessly about a semantic point you'll never let go? Drop the sense of entitlement and accept that sometimes the majority opinion doesn't match your own. --Andy^P_K^M_N 20:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

So, if the majority willed it, that would change the facts? Basically, right now, the Isshu page on Bulbapedia has totally dismissed all facts and gone with the general assumption that Game Freak using motif definitely means that the basis of Isshu is New York.

I was right in my assumption that no one really cares about the definition of motif is.

Just look at you right now, Andy. "...accept that sometimes the majority opinion doesn't match your own."

You know what that says? It says you don't care about facts. You don't care about logic. You care about only wanting it to be your way. You only see it your way. You're not going on facts, you're going on an assumption. An ASSUMPTION. When there are FACTS to the contrary. This ISN'T "room for doubt" which I've argued about before. This IS me trying to get the FACTS out in the open and the only place that will actually LISTEN to the FACTS, or at least I thought it would, was Bulbapedia.

Not anymore, I guess.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 20:41, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I care about facts. On the PKWorld talk page, I refuted each of your points, and you then went and insulted me. And you did the same to TTE, the freakin' editor in chief! The point is you're arguing about a minor semantic quibble. Motif meaning something different than basis in this case is not a fact, it is your OPINION. Motif meaning basically the same thing in this context is our OPINION. So why don't you quit flaming people based on your own authoritarianism, and start doing something constructive? --Andy^P_K^M_N 20:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

First of all, I have not commented at all on the PKWorld page. You must be confusing me with someone else.

Second, compare http://www.synonym.com/definition/motif/ to http://www.synonym.com/definition/model/ , http://www.synonym.com/definition/basis/ , and http://www.synonym.com/definition/stage/ .

If you'll kindly notice, there are virtually no similarities between the definitions of Motif and Model, Stage or Basis.

In other words, this is fact: Motif does not mean Model, Stage or Basis. Thus, it should not be taken as fact that Motif means Basis when, in fact, it doesn't. Junichi Masuda is smart enough to know the difference.

Edit: Yes, I understand that you mean the Talk:Isshu page. I apologize for that. I should have used "Get a dictionary" instead of "Learn English". That was my fault entirely and I apologize. Do not let it corrupt discussion on facts.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 21:01, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright, well, now that we've evened that out... I still think the motif could be considered equivalent to basis in this case. There's no other clear basis for the Isshu region, so while it does admittedly differ wildly from New York City and the surrounding area geographically, it still maintains those themes, or motifs, or whatnot of diversity, and thus is the closest thing we really have to basis. Am I making sense? Perhaps we could maintain the mention of basis, but note that it doesn't specifically refer to geography? --Andy^P_K^M_N 21:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Coastline is geographic. Just because there are mountains doesn't mean much. TTEchidna 21:42, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

As a combined answer to both of you, "it doesn't even have the same coastline." Though this is widely debatable, and I'm not in the mood to debate over a coastline, the "right" side (when angled to match Isshu's orientation) extends far below that of the "middle" of Manhattan. As well as the river's being of two different widths.

Now, onto my direct reply to Andy: In my opinion, not that I'm fighting for it in this case one bit, I'm just trying to correct the wording on the Isshu page, not fight for my opinion, it's Shanghai. But do not take this as the reason why I'm fighting for the wording to be fixed. I'm a bit of a "grammar nazi" and I'm a logician.

Maintaining themes does not determine where it is based: Since Hoenn is a tropical island theme, why is it confirmed to be Kyushu? Because Junichi Masuda confirmed it to be so. And the same is for Isshu: Junichi Masuda confirmed, in multiple official websites, that Isshu's motif, theme, what-have-you (but not basis) is New York. So you should not keep the word basis at all and, instead, use the word "motif" or "theme".

Geography is all important when deciding where the games are based without official confirmation. Coastline, geographical terrain and etc. are always maintained so players can get an idea of where they are actually playing. The two mountain ranges are the "killing blow" that proves that Junichi Masuda meant Motif instead of Model/Basis/Stage.

So please, until we get direct confirmation from Game Freak/Nintendo regarding Isshu's whereabouts in real-life and not it's "theme", can we please get the wording fixed?

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 22:03, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

It's America. It's New York. Look, I'd love for it to have been Chicago instead. but it's not. Maybe in Gen VI. TTEchidna 22:23, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I never said you couldn't have your own opinion. I only ask that you change Isshu to reflect the facts instead of the opinion of the mass. Is that too much to ask? --Mackinz of SoulSilver 23:30, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Isshu#Just_throwing_this_out_there

Fix it.

Soon would be preferable.

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 03:47, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Once again. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Talk:Isshu#Just_throwing_this_out_there

--Mackinz of SoulSilver 04:00, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

This is killing me

The lack of standard on Japanese romanization is killing me. The MoS tells to use Hepburn (the one with macrons) but in the new articles no one uses it. When I moved Geechisu to Gēchisu I got scolded by Maverick that there is some problem with macrons but he didn't bother to discuss the problems. There is no standard at all currently. For example, on Isshu page I can see Sanyou and Shippou City but suddenly there's Soryu City. Why can't we agree on one consistent romanization scheme? What is happening now is a real madness - everything is romanized in a non-standard, unruly way. And finally, what's the problem with macrons? No one seems to bother to get rid of the problem. Please do something. It's a really bothersome thing. --Maxim 17:17, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Macrons are hard to type. TTEchidna 18:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

So what? This is what we have the palette for. And it shouldn't be a reason for such a mess in romanizations. I suggest enforcing Hepburn again. Or if not, at least choose one consistent scheme. What we have now is an unruly mess - like Sanyou but Soryu. --Maxim 20:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd say use the one that needs the least number of combining characters - i.e. macrons (e.g. in the above example, Sanyou instead of Sanyō, which is the electronics company). It's easier to type and better supported. Ztobor 22:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Think of it this way, we all called Ho-Oh "Houou", not "Hōō" or "Hoo", before it was released in English. So if Soryu is Souryuu, hey, go ahead, change it, or whatever. For titles, macronless romanization is preferred - we can put in the proper one as soon as we get English names. TTEchidna 22:35, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Template help

Something's wrong with the evobox template. In Pokémon with divergent evolutions, where the second evolution method involves trading with a held item (example: Poliwag, Slowking, Clamperl), the template is broke. See for yourself. I can't find out what's wrong with it, can you look into it? --Andy^P_K^M_N 20:26, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Agh, dammit, find and replace did me wrong. I fixed it. TTEchidna 20:45, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I should've asked this quite a few edits ago...

In move pages, should the possible parents for breeding be indicated in {{ms|###|Pokémon}} template? I've never really noticed it in the Pokémon pages and don't remember to have ever seen one in a move page, but I just saw Charmander's page and it occurred to me. Mr. Charlie(TalkToMe) 00:48, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

It's supposed to be {{MSP|###|NAME}}. MS doesn't link properly because some people wanted it to be able to link plainly, instead of to X (Pokémon), in the case of, say, glitch Pokémon. TTEchidna 03:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Question

Hey TT, I've a question for you. Why have you protected all (most of the) the Best Wishes episode articles? There isn't any kind of speculation crackdown problem, no spamming problem or anything. Then, is there a valid reason for their protection? Just asking, thank you. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 04:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Signature customisation

How do you add colour to your signatures? Ruberduck0123 06:43, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

[[User:Ruberduck0123|<span style="color:green;">Ruberduck0123</span>]] would give Ruberduck0123. You can also use hex codes (from

ColorPicker.com) for example. Have fun. たかはりい 06:57, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Ruberduck0123 Yay! Now how do I apply it to my signature? Ruberduck0123 07:52, 3 October 2010 (UTC)