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== Title translation ==
I'd like to note that 超克の時空 means the Space-Time of Overcoming/Conquering and not the other way around. Even if it doesn't make much sense, this means that "To the Conquering of Space-Time" is wrong and Serebii.net's "Towards The Overcome's Time Space" is the only English translation that seems correct with everyone else seemingly believing PokéBeach.
I think we need to correct this before people memorize the incorrect translation that we apparently see almost everywhere.
As for whether "overcoming" or "conquering", to me "overcoming" sounds more accurate, but I can't say for sure as I'm not a native English speaker. It should be considered that the official movie website has an explanation for the word which says that it means "to overcome difficulties/pain": http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/chokoku/
--[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 13:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

:Japanese is amazing eh? Considering ''everyone'' (including Serebii) has changed it to "To the Conquering of Space-Time" (and remember, the previous translation we had was "Towards Overcoming the Space-Time Void") there's either, A: a really bad translation going around, or B: People are all getting this from one source, i.e. the movie poster. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 13:53, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

::I don't see where you read "To the Conquering of Space-Time" on Serebii.net - I clearly read "Towards The Overcome's Time Space" there. Are you trying to tell us that the poster has an English version of the title? If so, would you kindly point out where exactly I can see this on the poster?! --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 15:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::What I meant was that most people over there are refering to it as such and Serebii himself has said that he is busy for the holidays, so it hasn't been changed yet. This universal translation; just accept it, its tenative anyway, we get the real title in Jan. And also, I can't read a word of Japanese, but if ''hundreds'' of fans can agree on a title, that says something. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 16:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

::::I would be willing to accept it as a universal translation, but your reasoning to call it that is pretty flawed. The number of people who can really tell whether the translation is accurate is by far less than "hundreds", most just take what is written and take it as confirmed as long as it isn't corrected. And if you say yourself that you can't read Japanese, why are you taking part in this discussion then? I mean, I don't mind your input, but you don't seem to belong to the people who can validate a translation either. It also isn't as tenative as you seem to think. Going by how Japanese movie titles have been in previous years, the title (and the logo) will be almost the same in its final version, only having a Pokémon name added to it - most likely it will be something like "超克の時空へアルセウス". And that's why we need to work out a more accurate translation as the order of words/kanji in the title can't just be a mistake, or at least it's not safe at all to assume so. Now if nobody else is interested in discussing this, I assume I shouldn't just go about changing the article and moving it. I'd be glad if someone with more knowledge of Japanese could contribute to this discussion. --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 11:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::I may not speak Japanese, but the translation Babel Fish (a very popular translation site) gives is "To the Conquering of Space-Time". Of course Babel Fish doesn't always translate well. [[User:Arceus is the Best|Arceus is the Best]] 23:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't like babelfish's translations, and agree with nYoo's point that "To the Conquering of Space-Time" is inaccurate, but the truth is the majority always wins. Most English-speaking Pokémon fans know this movie as "To the Conquering of Space-Time", and it would just be confusing to try and find a better translation, especially with the official one so close. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 11:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

:: That's why redirects exist. o.o" People could still find it under "To the Conquering of Space-Time" even if the article title is different. --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 03:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus ==

I'll clear one thing up before I kick off the main point of the message: I fully believe that a movie featuring Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, and Spear Pillar will feature Arceus. HOWEVER, in the blurb for PikaProj09 on the movie list article (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_movie) it is stated that the movie is "expected to feature Arceus." By whom? By whomever happened to write that sentence. I don't think that should be there until there is some actual proof beyond opinion. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]]
:Opinion... of 90% of the fandom. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, but does that even matter? No doubt we will have it confirmed soon, we can readd it then. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 03:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:Here is a photo that could help with proving Arceus is in the movie. The pic is from pokebeach but they only outlined part of what seems to be part of the "pointed ring" that is showed in the light.I circled the other parts. Looking at it from different angles, sometimes I think i can see its ears and a small part of its head. But that's what i think i saw so i didn't circle it. You can see it very well in the first pic. Since many people say that arceus is in the movie, I'd say this is very good proof.
[[Image:Arceus-comparison.jpg]]

Sorry it is so small as soon as I enlarge it, I will upload it.

Edit:
OK, so here is the enlarged pic, I know the arceus parts are faded, but you can still see the major parts.
[[Image:Arceus-comparison 2.jpg]]

Once I get the trailer, I will be able to upload a MUCH better and clearer picture. 
[[User:Pikachugal|Pikachugal]] 02:22, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

:Calm down, friend. Arceus in this movie is too obvius. But IT IS UNCONFIRMED. We just have to wait for an official source --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc><small>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</small></sc> 02:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I just saw the new trailer on the japanese website and i am absolutely entranced by the mysterious golden blur that appears for only like half a second in the middle of the video. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/Morgil/MysteriousGoldenBlur1.jpg] [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/Morgil/MysteriousGoldenBlur2.jpg] [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v680/Morgil/MysteriousGoldenBlur3.jpg] [[User:Morgil27|Morgil27]] 20:56, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

==Naming==
You know, since we don't go moving around every episode to its English title... why don't we move all of the movies to Pikachu Project (year)? Anyone think it'd be a good idea? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

:I dunno, in my opinion it's a bad idea
:does that mean we change all the Pokémon to their national dex number too?----[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 22:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

== Think about it...Makes sense! ==

"''The producers went to Greece in August, 2008; this confirms the basis for the movie's setting.''"
And looking at the above posts about Arceus. Now, I know a little about Myths and things, and remember how many '''gods''' they had in Greece, back in days far gone? Anyone else think that setting a movie in a place were they were once many ''Mythological Gods'' would be a good place for the so called "''God Pokémon''"? C: Just a theory. [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854">~~<b>Takoto</b></span>]]|<span style="color:#F4C2C2"> サソデイ</span> 09:56, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

:Still doesn't make it official.  Even if the odds point to Arceus being in the movie, we're waiting until Arceus is actually confirmed to appear in the movie to add that information.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:23, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
::Ah, I said it was 'just a theory' D: I never said it was official! [[User:Takoto|<span style="color:#2E0854">~~<b>Takoto</b></span>]]|<span style="color:#F4C2C2"> サソデイ</span> 16:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:Then why does this page (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_movie) still talk about Arceus? May I please remove that? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 03:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Bulbapedia is not for theories. And yes, that thing about Arceus should be removed. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc><small>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]] </small></sc> 03:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks like you were right Takoto, Arceus ''is'' in the movie!  [[User:Taromon777|Taromon777]] 21:57, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

== New Pokemon Speculation. ==

Ok, Guys, I just want to say that, those of you still maintaining the site, I'll keep in the part on the Gen V Pokémon reveal speculation until December the 15th, only then, can we determine whether it should be kept in (As most of the info for the movie will be unveiled on that date.), if there is no mention of any Pokémon belonging to the new generation (not even showing a sihlouette, for that matter) then we must remove that tidbit. Got it? good. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:49, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

:didn't seribii say it was going to be tommorow? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|<span style="background:#000000; color:#FF0000;">Ultamate</span>]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|<sub><font color="#FF5A00">Charizard</font></sub>]] 20:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
::Strange... the article says that it's December 15th, Oh well... [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 20:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:The default for any speculation is to take it out no matter how much of the fandom believes it, not to leave it an article just because we can't disprove it. You also can't disprove that Nintendo may reveal a Gen VI Pokémon on the same day, but since we have no proof we don't state it. I'm going to delete whatever it is you're talking about unless you can change my mind. [[User:LordArceus|<span style="color:#FF0000">'''Lord'''</span>]][[User talk:LordArceus|<span style="color:#FF0000">'''Arc'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|<span style="color:#FF0000">'''eus'''</span>]] 20:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
:: Can someone upload a picture of the unkown Pokémon siloette from DP104? <sc><small>I think thats the right Episode </small></sc> [[User:ShinyPikachu|ShinyPika &lt;3 ALS]] 22:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
: Here are two pics of the electric type. One of them i added an arrow and circle to the part of the pokemon that was showing. I think these are good pics for the page. The original photo is from pokebeach.
[[Image:5th_generation_pokemon.jpg]]           [[Image:5th_generation_pokemon_2.jpg]]

[[User:Pikachugal|Pikachugal]] 01:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

==is it just me?==

can anyone see the other pictures here? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|<span style="background:#000000; color:#FF0000;">Ultamate</span>]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|<sub><font color="#FF5A00">Charizard</font></sub>]] 20:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

:What images?  If you're referring to the two links above, they were deleted for being copyright violations since they were stolen from [[Pokébeach]], one of them altered.  --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Eclipse ==

Check it out, the three legendary titans are battling during a total solar eclipse. I'll leave it to others to point out signifigance but it is noteworthy. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:seeing how time and space are probably going to get ripped a new one in this movie that eclipse would be fitting [[User:Ultamatecharizard|<span style="background:#000000; color:#FF0000;">Ultamate</span>]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|<sub><font color="#FF5A00">Charizard</font></sub>]] 20:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
::Oh gawd if anyone makes a "Twilight" reference you will get aura sphered!!![[User:Rucario64|<font color="green">Rucario</font>]][[User Talk:Rucario64|<font color="red">64</font>]] 18:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::wait I just looked on wikipedia and apparantly there's a solar eclipse around the time of it's release [[User:Ultamatecharizard|<span style="background:#000000; color:#FF0000;">Ultamate</span>]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|<sub><font color="#FF5A00">Charizard</font></sub>]]
::::Four days after. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:::::Japan's too far north to see anything other than a partial eclipse, and the one featured in the movie is a total eclipse. Gonna have to go with a coincidence on this one. {{wp|Solar eclipse of July 22, 2009}}.--- Aura-Knight 15:46, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Posters ==

I have the posters needed for this article. And can someone look at the website? They have the specific reading for the kanji now.

<gallery>
Image:Movie12 Poster.jpg|''Toward Overcoming the Space-Time Void'' movie poster
Image:Promo PokemonMovie12.JPG|''Pikachu the Movie'' poster
</gallery>

:Uhm, that Pichu clearly has two ears. One is just partially obscured by Pikachu's head. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::who said anything to the contrary? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 18:15, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I dunno, I think I saw something on the forums where people were saying it only had one ear or something...but I could have been half-asleep and misreading everything, it's happened before, haha. Anyway, another point that nobody seems to have pointed out yet, the Pichu is on the poster for the Pikachu short, not the movie itself, so it's useless to speculate about what role it might have in the movie. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::You make a good point there... there is no actual confirmation that the Pichu is the Pokémon that was hidden. {{tt|Gen V. is back on!|Perhaps}} [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 18:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, I didn't quite say that... There's an overwhelming amount of evidence that the Pichu was indeed the hidden Pokémon, although why they'd want to make a Pichu a "surprise" is beyond me... [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 18:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Look at its eyes. They're the same brown as {{tt|another Pokémon on that poster|speculation, speculation...}}. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:58, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Wow I can't belive that they might just give Pikachu a relative!!! Awsome I can't wait for more info! [[User:Rucario64|<font color="green">Rucario</font>]][[User Talk:Rucario64|<font color="red">64</font>]] 18:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== Nintendo Owned Everyone (Including Me) ==
[[User:LordArceus/"5th Gen"|Nintendo is amazing.]] {{unsigned|LordArceus}}
:Whoops. [[User:LordArceus|<span style="color:#FF0000">'''Lord'''</span>]][[User talk:LordArceus|<span style="color:#FF0000">'''Arc'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|<span style="color:#FF0000">'''eus'''</span>]] 17:40, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::I must say, they're total jerks for that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== Percent chance of Galactic, importantly Cyrus, appearing? ==

100%? Less? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:31, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:I don't know if they are going to appear in the movie since something like this hasn't happened since the first movie. I could be wrong anyway. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 21:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::Considering the fact that Galactic has already appeared in the series and the writers seem to be giving them more screen time/development than most previous teams (relative to their importance in the game, I mean), I feel it's at least worth a second thought that Cyrus will probably appear later in the series instead of in this movie; either that, or the writers are finally going to abandon their unspoken policy of keeping movie canon (mostly) separate from series canon. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:44, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::They've got the Spear Key, Adamant and Lustrous Orbs. Movie 12 obviously takes place in an area inspired by Greece (Spear Pillar) and features Arceus. They know we were disappointed in the hour special they laid out for Groudon and Kyogre, so they want to remedy it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:08, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::::But usually stories like these culminate in the series not in a movie. Bar the first one, Movies and series are most of the time entirely disjoined. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 22:13, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::But like I said, the writers have been pretty ambitious this series--maybe they've decided to go ahead and tie a theatrical release directly to the show. I just think we need to weigh both possibilities equally and not assume that Cyrus will be in it just because the dragon trio will be (and possibly Arceus) until we get more information. Although, they could settle for a happy medium of sorts, something like having Cyrus appear in the movie but never in the series, and just have the Galactic admins make allusions to him in the series. I think it's pretty up-in-the-air right now; considering the fact that the previous two movies have involved members of the dragon trio without involving Cyrus, it's not like it would be impossible for them to pull off a movie featuring them and Arceus and not include Cyrus. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:27, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Did they appear in the first two? Survey says: Nope! The battle has nothing to do with Cyrus and his flunkies anyway [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:32, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::You know that Cyrus's debut wasn't till AFTER the movie premiered, right?<small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|contribs]]){{ #if:  | &#32;{{{2}}} |}}''</small>
:::::That's true...didn't consider that. But I still think it's possible for them to pull off a plot about the dragon trio and Arceus without him. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 22:46, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Meh, never stopped them before [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::That's highly likely to include Team Galactic and Cyrus, not to mention the fact that it can also boost tickets sales! -[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 09:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::The only thing I can see that may boost ticket sales is the inevitable Arceus giveaway.  Besides, Pokémon was unphased by going up against Studio Ghibli this year so it doesn't really need help on the popularity front.
:::::::::Team Magma were in six and while I can see them having that role, a plotline started in the series should conclude in the series.  We'll probably be around the start of the league tournament by July anyway. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] <sup>|[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]|</sup> 09:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Darkrai popped back up in the show so why not Arceus.  Then Cyrus could try to control it.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 03:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

== Can we please ==

Can we please put Piplup on the cast sheet? You know it's going to be there. And please don't give me the "unconfirmed" lecture. It was in the first two movies, is featured on the poster for this and the previous Pikachu movie. I get why you might not want it for the regular episodes but, come on now... There is really no good reason it wouldn't appear. Do you really think after all the writers have done with Piplup so far that there really going to make it skip a movie appearance? Or are you going to get all mad at me if I add it on the cast sheet? Face it, Piplup IS the new Togepi. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 09:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. Found out officially that it's in the movie. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 10:06, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:It's better than Togepi, believe me. At least it does something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

maybe theres something hint on there maybe but its looks like similat to  zelda twiligth princess.......--[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 10:16, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, even IF I did want it to appear in the episodes, we still should wait for more information in regards to whether Piplup is actually appearing or not. For all we know, the poster could have just misled us. It's not like they haven't done that before [cough, cough, cough, cough, [[Palkia (anime)|Palkia]], [[Giratina and the Sky Warrior|Sky Warrior]] poster cough, cough, cough, cough] [cough, cough, cough, cough, cough, cough, [[Brock's Marshtomp|Mudkip]] and [[Ash's Sceptile|Treecko]] in [[Jirachi: Wish Maker|Jirachi poster]] cough, cough, cough, cough, cough, cough]. I won't argue that it should be erased, since, as you said, it's officially confirmed. However, for episodes, we DEFINITELY need to wait until the the previews at least before we add in Piplup. I mean, should we add in Wobbuffet in every single pokemon episode that's upcoming just because it appears in a lot of the episodes? Because that would be the same thing. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 20:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
:I was referring to the trailer, not the poster. Piplup was in the trailer. And Wobbuffet hasn't been in the anime for nearly 50 episodes straight without an absence. Piplup has. It's not just the number of episodes its appeared in. It's the consistency. Wobbuffet is in a lot of episodes but will be absent once every 10 or 15 episodes. Each week that passes, Piplup gets confirmed for yet another episode and some still wanna believe that its all of a sudden not going to appear next week. Besides, Wobbuffet belongs to an antagonist who are not the absolute central point of the anime like the heroes are. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 21:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
::Trailer is misleading too! Not every scene in the trailer are included in the movie, for instance, the Pidgeot in movie 10 trailer.  I agree with Weedle.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 05:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
::Meowth belonged to the Antagonists, as well, and yet that never stopped people from adding in his name before. I'm not saying that Piplup shouldn't be in any episodes, I'm actually more neutral to the debate. All I'm saying that it still needs more information. And I still don't see too much of a difference between Piplup appearing and Wobbuffet appearing. I mean, at least with Pikachu, Meowth, and up until "A Togepi Mirage", Togepi, they weren't in pokeballs, so their appearances were definitely a given. Piplup, no matter how many appearances it's made in a way similar to Pikachu and Meowth, is still a pokeball pokemon that makes multiple appearances in episodes, not unlike Wobbuffet, in one sense. Unlike Piplup, Wobbuffet still doesn't get inserted into the cast pokemon of the episode [or rather, people aren't trying to insert it in.]. Basically, what I'm saying is that we shouldn't be too hasty to add in Piplup before we have undeniable proof that it's in. I mean, I don't add in Wobbuffet to the pokemon appearing in every upcoming episode, and you don't either, so what makes Piplup any different? [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:22, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Okay... appearently you haven't read anything I said to why Piplup should be treated different than Wobbuffet. <big><big>NEARLY 50 EPISODES STRAIGHT WITHOUT AN ABSCENCE.</big></big> That's why Piplup should be added in automatically. It be different if Piplup was absent every few episodes during this span but it wasn't. Wobbuffet has never appeared for 50 episodes without an absence. As for Meowth, he's an antagonist in himself. He really doesn't belong to anyone like Wobbuffet does. And he's actually appeared in every episode. Not like Wobbuffet. --[[Tracey Sketchit|<span style="color:#33CC66;">'''ケンジ'''</span>]][[User talk:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#6600CC;">'''の'''</span>]][[User:Kenji-girl|<span style="color:#FF00CC;">'''ガール'''</span>]] 22:53, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

== Merchandise ==

Any way we can work this into the article, other than saying "Something something, featuring Monferno, Bronzong, Staraptor, and Heatran, prompting fan speculation that [[Ash]]'s {{AP|Chimchar}} and {{AP|Staravia}} will evolve and Brock/Dawn will capture a Bronzong something something Heatran's role." --- Aura-Knight 22:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

:......I would at least suspect the character of  the movie to have a Bronzong.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 07:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

== Pichu ==

On the page, it says "a Pichu with spiked ears" whereas everywhere else, it says "notched ear"  I know it's a bit nit-picky but this does seem like the more official term.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:#80008013">13</span>]] 23:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:More official? Both terms are '''[[fanon]]'''! -[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 05:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:The former or the latter of which you said? --[[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 23:57, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
::Did. --[[User:Martonimos|((<font color="#008000">Marton</font>]] [[User talk:Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">imos</font>))]] 00:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

== Heartran ==

serebii.net said Heatran involve this thing 12 movie...........--[[User:Bakunawa|Bakunawa]] 06:53, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:......Here you're in the best Pokémon Encyclopedia '''ever'''! Serebii is a site full of speculation! -[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 07:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not to sure but I guess that Serebii's information doesn't qualify as sure evidence here.--'''[[User:Diby|<span style="color:#6890F0;">D</span><span style="color:#F08030;">i</span>]][[User talk:Diby|<span style="color:#78C850;">b</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Diby|<span style="color:#F8D030;">y</span>]]''' 06:55, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I have searched for the corocoro issue of jan 19 but the content of that issue is about megaman and the revivl of one of its series, so was the info date wrong?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 15:20, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

== World Hobbo Fair ==
shouldn't the legendary pokemon have been revealed on the 19th? if it was, why doesn't Bulbanews have the info.? [[User:Vik0z0z|Vik0z0z]] 21:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
:There wasn't anything revealed at the fair. It would have been up if it was. [[User:Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''Jm'''</span>]][[User talk:Jmath|<span style="color: #000099">'''a'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|<span style="color: #000033">'''th'''</span>]] 21:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I think I have an explanation for that, the world hobby fair is moving around in different cities like tokyo and nagua and others, so the news will be released at the world hobby fair but with an unknown date and city.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:34, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

== Official Arceus ==

Guys, there's a link on the page to {{p|Arceus}}. Since there's already been THAT hint with the magazine, shouldn't the link be put there(and the page to be started) when we get something official? Plus, we just might have to watch out for any possible "funny business" around the {{p|Arceus}} when there's still NOTHING official...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 01:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:So you're saying the link shouldn't be should unless we make a page about {{p|Arceus}}, But we can't because we have nothing more than a mere magazine hint? I'm just confused.....--[[User:Force Fire|<font color="FF7777">FF</font>]]([[Special:Contributions/Force Fire|<font color="7777FF"><small>edits</small></font>]]-[[User talk:Force Fire|<font color="28E228"><small>talk</small></font>]]) 01:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm saying that we shouldn't have the link there until anything official. When something official pops up, sure we party, Arceus is revealed, an admin puts the link and someone should starts a decent article if there's at 100-something words of info. To be even MORE CLEAR, someone removes the link, something official pops up, the link is put there and the article on it is started if enough info to make it even a decent stub is put there.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 01:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
:Wikis put links to pages that haven't yet been created so someone can know to create them. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I meant that the link to the uncreated Arceus (anime) article should be removed from the page, until  official news, even though its very likely to happen. The link should be put on the page and the Arceus (anime) page should be started when we get official news. Official news!--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 13:50, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:The link doesn't matter. If you're looking for something official that confirms that Arceus will appear in the movie, it's the calendar. Let's just wait until someone who knows more about the upcoming star of the movie starts the page. --×'''[[User:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#A2958D">Ke</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<span style="color:#B8B8D0">vz</span>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#705898">o8</span>]]''' 13:59, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Then again... the calendar IS official. It could a hidden confirmation cause Nintendo wants to reveal the {{tt|Alpha Pokémon|Arceus is the Alpha Pokémon, for people who apparently forgot.....}} in a special way. That's it! We keep it on there! More info is bound to come any time now, any minute now... you get it, I guess it really should be kept on the page.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 14:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

OMG! Arceus has been revealed and it has been revealed to be the star of the 12th movie! [http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Official_Arceus_image_surfaces '''''HERE!'''''] We be partying! Party... party... okay, I'm done... anyway, we can make the {{p|Arceus}} article either now, or later, I'm thinking "freely" right now! I guess we'll just put the future event template if we start it now...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 05:37, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:We don't have any information on the one appearing in the movie yet, but that likely comes this week or next week. All that's know is that it IS in the movie. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== New name? ==
In [http://www.filb.de/kaihou/content/20090211_film12_02.jpg this scan], if I am not worng, the new title of the movie is "Arceus: To the Conquering of Space-Time" --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], <sc><small>[[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]]</small></sc> 15:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:You are right, but Bulbapedia wants to be sure and wait for better scans.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|<font color="brown"><small><sup>☆</sup></small></font>]][[User:Tavisource|<font color="teal">Tavis</font>]][[User talk:Tavisource|<font color="gray"><small>ource</small></font>]] 17:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think it's really needed... even if the scan's quality is poor, we can clearly see that ''Arceus'' was added to the movie's title... - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 17:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::I think it's good enough to move the page. Even Serebii is reporting the new title. [[User:Toastypk|<span style="color:#BB0000">'''''~Toastypk'''''</span>]] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|<span style="color:#770077">'''<sup>Loom.</sup></span>''']] 17:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::::This is what happens when admins are protecting almost every page for every smallest reason. The Bulbapedia CAN'T BE UP TO DATE because of this. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:09, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well a reason a lot of the pages are protected is so people don't just start editing things in that might turn out to not be true. It sucks to have to lock them, yes, but it's still best to wait until some information is pretty obvious before editing it in. [[User:Toastypk|<span style="color:#BB0000">'''''~Toastypk'''''</span>]] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|<span style="color:#770077">'''<sup>Loom.</sup></span>''']] 18:25, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The need to have the page up-to-date > The risk of having a n00b posting fake informations. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::hold on, I taught the name of it had - instead of : [[User:Ultamatecharizard|<span style="background:#000000; color:#FF0000;">Ultamate</span>]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|<sub><font color="#FF5A00">Charizard</font></sub>]] 20:30, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::In Japanese characters, there's only a hollow between "Arceus" and the old title. In all the other titles, we used ":" in similar cases. - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 20:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Johto Starters ==

After the recent revealing of the Coro Coro scans, I believe Cyndaquil, Torchic, and Totodile should be added to the "Featured Pokémon" section.<small>- ''unsigned comment from {{u|StarLeged}} ([[User talk:StarLeged|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/StarLeged|contribs]]){{ #if:  | &#32;{{{2}}} |}}''</small>

How do we know Johto starters are in this???

GSDS hints anyone??? [[User:Super Max|<font color="#DAA520">'''Super'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|<font color="#4FD9FF">'''-'''</font>]][[User talk:Super Max|<font color="#C0C0C0">'''Max'''</font>]] 21:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Chikorita and its on the scsn on Serebii.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|<font color="brown"><small><sup>☆</sup></small></font>]][[User:Tavisource|<font color="teal">Tavis</font>]][[User talk:Tavisource|<font color="gray"><small>ource</small></font>]] 21:47, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

OH, that's so unfair, I thought they were new ones, linked to a hint to GSDS, but sadly the ones in that clip are just Ash's that he caught in the Johto region. He probably had them transfered from Proffesor Oak. (Please let him get rid of Gliscor) [[User:Super Max|<font color="#DAA520">'''Super'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|<font color="#4FD9FF">'''-'''</font>]][[User talk:Super Max|<font color="#C0C0C0">'''Max'''</font>]] 21:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Just FYI, they're not Ash's pokémon (Ash's Chikorita evolved, remember?) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 21:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Mew came along and devolved it???
I hate this, I really want GSDS, but something tells me, they are covering so much of Johto so they don't have to do a remake.
[[User:Super Max|<font color="#DAA520">'''Super'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|<font color="#4FD9FF">'''-'''</font>]][[User talk:Super Max|<font color="#C0C0C0">'''Max'''</font>]] 21:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


Exactly--[[User:Sludge|Sludge]] 21:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

::<small>(ECx2)</small>Everything is a GSDS hint, isn't it.... What happened to waiting until the movie was released? Pikachu and Piplup are on the poster too, but they aren't mentioned. Just. Wait. &mdash; <small>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<font color="#0000C8">THE TROM</font></small>]] &mdash; 21:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

OMG, your saying Piplup is in the 12th movie as well? Wait a minute, Piplup is a water type pokemon, Johto has water type pokemon. OMG, another hint. LOL [[User:Super Max|<font color="#DAA520">'''Super'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|<font color="#4FD9FF">'''-'''</font>]][[User talk:Super Max|<font color="#C0C0C0">'''Max'''</font>]] 21:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

:Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't they end up covering a lot of the Gen III pokemon/Gen IV pokemon near the end of Johto and the Kanto Battle Frontier, respectively, not to mention the fact that they covered a lot on Kanto in AG (even going as far as to hold the BF in Kanto instead of holding it on that Island near Hoenn.) and they still advertised the fact that the FR/LG remakes were coming out? 

Another thing, No, we aren't going that far. Besides, using Piplup is not the same thing as having... ohh, not just one Gen II pokemon have a major role in a movie, but apparantly having '''four''' Gen II pokemon have major roles in the movie.[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 22:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

4neeums (Forums).--[[User:CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#007FFF;">'''☆Cool'''</span>]][[User talk:CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#FFBA00;">'''ピカチ'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/CoolPikachu!|<span style="color:#FFBA00;">'''ュウ!'''</span>]] 22:02, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I have said since the first day i found out about Battle Frontier in Platinum, I said THE ANIME WILL HOST THE BF IN JOHTO. And it looks like that is a fact (him and Dawn willl go there, Dawn because of what May told her Contests, Ash for the BF), hopefully that means the games will also do a johto. I just hope there is no Kanto in GSDS, otherwise Kanto would have been in every generation [[User:Super Max|<font color="#DAA520">'''Super'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|<font color="#4FD9FF">'''-'''</font>]][[User talk:Super Max|<font color="#C0C0C0">'''Max'''</font>]] 22:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:<i></i>*points to {{u|CoolPikachu!}}'s comment above*--<small>[[Flash Fire (ability)|<font color="turquoise">freezing</font>]]</small>[[Heat Wave (move)|<font color="teal">COLD</font>]] <small><sub>([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]])</sub></small> 22:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

what about Heatran, who was also in the poster? --[[User:Vik0z0z|vik0z0z]] 23:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== i have a point ==

First of all, I would like to point out to the comment above mentioning that Heatrans also on the poster.  Also, shouldn't the title be renamed to "The Conquering of Space and Time"?  There's no "To" anywhere in the text.  And also, yes, Space and Time is written as Space-Time...but it should be translated to Space '''AND''' Time.  It's like how you don't see '''THE''' in the title, but it still appears in the translation.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|<font color="brown"><small><sup>☆</sup></small></font>]][[User:Tavisource|<font color="teal">Tavis</font>]][[User talk:Tavisource|<font color="gray"><small>ource</small></font>]] 01:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Hello? Is anyone listening to me?--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|<font color="brown"><small><sup>☆</sup></small></font>]][[User:Tavisource|<font color="teal">Tavis</font>]][[User talk:Tavisource|<font color="gray"><small>ource</small></font>]] 04:25, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::An admin must add Heatran in the list. Regarding the title, I dunno how to translate Japanese. D: ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#A2958D">Ke</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<span style="color:#B8B8D0">vz</span>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#705898">o8</span>]]''' 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Good point, Tavi. Where did the "To" exactly come from? As proven by the meme, "All Your Base are Belong To Us", you can't always directly translate something. Seriously... where DID the "To" come from? Can anyone find out?--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 06:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Psh, Heatran. Who cares about that Vader knockoff. JOHTO STAAARTERRRRRS! '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

TTE, I also love Johto and I support GSDS(and of course I see the Johto starters as a hint), and heck, I even downloaded and still playing the hack, ShinyGold... but that was completely off topic. Now can anyone find out what with the "To". I knew the title sounded weird but I didn't think much of it until now.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 06:31, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:The error in the AYB is not in the "To", thus, your example is irrelevant, witness. '''[[User:Optimatum|<b><span style="font-family:Comic Sands MS; color:black;">Θρtιmαtum</span>]]<sub>[[User talk:Optimatum|<span style="color:black;">Talk</span>]]</sub></b> 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

== Wait. ==

...is spacetime doing the conquering?! '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:It sounds a little ridiculous, but I don't know... the preview didn't feature that, just the dragon trion about to see Arceus come in to stop their fighting or something in that matter...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|<font color="blue">DRAGON</font>]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|<font color="yellow">BEAST</font>]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|<font color="red"><sup>X</sup></font>]] 09:53, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:A "spacetime of conquering" isn't technically different from a "conquering spacetime", if you keep in mind that "conquering" is an adjective...--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:02, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
I just want to say that I think the current translation of the title on BP doesn't make much sense. --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 08:41, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:Whatever happened to ''Arceus: The Conquering of Space-Time''? --[[User:Martonimos|((<font color="#008000">Marton</font>]] [[User talk:Martonimos|<font color="#50C878">imos</font>))]] 11:04, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
::I think it was changed to a more literal translation. I have to agree with Argy that the current title is pretty bizarre. It means almost the exact same thing as the previous title, as long as ''Conquering'' is understood to be a {{tt|possesive adjective|Although technically, in the original title, Conquering is a verb, and the last two words can be dropped grammatically, as they are a preposition}} Grammar and English sentence structure is not my strong suit though, so i may be wrong. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 15:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::アルセウス 超克の時空へ Arceus: The Conquest of Spacetime or Spacetime's Conquest. I dunno much how Japanese works, but really, literal translations never get you anywhere. Sometimes a different word's used. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Er, you're translation's sort of...I guess I would call it backwards. ''Chōkoku'' is "conquest" and ''Jikū'' is "spacetime". The の ''no'' comes after the ''Chōkoku'', so that's the word that's possessive. Technically, the title is "conquest's spacetime" or "spacetime of conquest". However, the へ ''e'' is a directional particle, so it has to be something like "to a spacetime of conquest."--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Main screen turn on? '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:29, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Image ==

Here's an image of Heatran and the Johot starters. Add it if you want. [[Image:Movie 12 heatran johto.png|thumb]] <span style="color:#AAAAFF;"><sub>*</sub></span><span style="font-family:Viner Hand ITC">[[User:Tc26|<span style="color:#DAA520;">tc</span>]][[User talk:Tc26|<span style="color:#DAA520;">26</span>]]</span><span style="color:#AAAAFF;"><sub>*</sub></span> 09:40, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Image:Johto_in_Movie_12.png That's a duplicate file]! ×'''[[User:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#A2958D">Ke</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|<span style="color:#B8B8D0">vz</span>]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|<span style="color:#705898">o8</span>]]''' 09:45, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

CAN we plaese add the picture {{unsigned|Vik0z0z}}

== English voice actors ==

Can we add them since we know who they are already ? [[User:Livinlarge18|Livinlarge18]] 17:06, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:HOW can we know the English voice actors if the VA's haven't been released for Japan yet?--'''[[User:Prmatt11|<span style="color:#FE2E9A">''Mew''</span>]] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 17:27, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
::{{tt|WELL|pulling your chain...}}, assuming everyone's not fired, we know who is doing the voices of the major characters right now. Stands to reason that they should still be around in a year or so when the dubbed version is released. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 22:02, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
:::If we had assumed that for Movie 9 when it was announced, we'd be wrong. No. '''[[User:TTEchidna|<span style="color:#FF0000">''TTE''</span>]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:01, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

== Error ==

On the page it says [[Giratina (anime)|{{color|FF0000|gi}}{{color|DDDD00|R}}{{color|FF0000|atina}}]]. It should say [[Giratina (anime)|{{color|DDDD00|gi}}{{color|FF0000|R}}{{color|DDDD00|atina}}]]. Glitchym1[[User:Glitchym1|Mglitch]] 16:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:Same mistake with Shaymin.--[[User:MisterE13|<span style="color:#0000FF">Mister</span>]][[User talk:MisterE13|<span style="color:#008000">'''E'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|<span style="color:##800080">13</span>]] 18:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

::You're both wrong - the large red letters spell "ARCEUS", and the two leftovers (Giratina and Palkia) have large yellow letters instead. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)