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Correct me if i'm wrong but i can remember a picture of the generation 2 mom.--[[User:Pokéboy93|Pokéboy93]] 15:03, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== The Cleaner Mom ==
Isn't there a artwork for a mom in HeartGold, or is it like Prof. Mom in Generation 4?--[[User:The Bulb&#39;s Master|The Bulb&#39;s Master]] 20:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

So far, we don't know if there's new artwork for a Mom in HeartGold and SoulSilver. She'll probably get updated art in the HeartGold and SoulSilver guidebook when it comes out along with the games in the US since she's the only character other than the 8 Johto Gym Leaders that hasn't gotten her art updated yet to match Ken Sugimori's current style. --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 22:54, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

== I'm sorry ==

I come from england, well guess the rest. But could we change this page's name to mother. To be fair. Lunick v sonela 11:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree i am from england and we don't say mom we say mum or mother. [[User:Roryrules123|Roryrules123]] 2:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

You can't say mum though. Lunick v sonela 15:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

:I'm from New Zealand, and while that name sounds worse than nails on a blackboard (chalkboard?), it's her in-game name. Remember Generation II? "Sent some to Mom!"? &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 20:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
:: I know that. Lunick v sonela 06:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Well that's why it's at this name. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 21:04, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
::::While old discussion is old, this is relevant. Now that HGSS is released, even though the game still says "Sent some to Mom!", in the Pokégear phone she is listed as Mother. I'm going to suggest that we move this page to 'mother', which seems to be a more logical name for the player's mother anyway. Mother is even used throughout the article regardless. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 09:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Why change something that has already been decided, well it may not sound right in some peoples ears, but what does the name matter? Sorry, but it's a waist of time! [[User:Asherb0y|<span style="color:#A70000">'''asherb0y'''</span>]][[User talk:asherb0y|<span style="color:#0000A7">''''''</span>]]
::::::Well, I'm not suggesting that we only change it because it sounds different to different people, but I think that the Pokégear phone would be more reliable than that one line of ingame text after every battle (assuming you have told her to save your money). Mother is slightly less personal than mom. The article itself often opts for mother over mom (or mum) because it sounds much less awkward. Finally, mother is a ''slightly'' (notice slightly) better translation of the Japanese name. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 10:03, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::I vote for "Mother" because that's what she's called in the PokéGear. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400">'''Zesty'''</span>]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#3CB371">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 20:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I'll say that we should call her 'Mother' based on the fact that it's how she's registered in the Pokégear. Generation II called her 'Mom' and to keep it current, we should change it to 'Mother.' [[User:KurosakisTwin|KurosakisTwin]] 17:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
::::::::But didn't gen 4 also call her "Mom"? Thus, it should be kept the same because that would be the way it is in the dialog, so it is both current, and staying with the original name.
:::::::: sorry, forgot to sign [[User:Mikkim|Mikkim]] 23:37, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::But it also lists her as mother in the Pokégear. Lt. Surge is simply called Surge (at least when trading, thats all I remember) and his Pikachu's OT is Surge, but the Pokégear lists him as Lt. Surge. Are we gonna change his article to just Surge?--[[User:Pokelova|<span style="color:#DAA520">''Poké''</span>]][[User talk:Pokelova|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">lova!</span>]] 23:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::You still send some to ''mom'' in Gen IV, for whatever that's worth. But ''Mother'' would make a nicely generic title, especially since it's often linked as <nowiki>[[Mom|mother]]</nowiki>. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 00:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think we should have a vote.--[[User:Pokelova|<span style="color:#DAA520">''Poké''</span>]][[User talk:Pokelova|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">lova!</span>]] 00:09, 4 September 2010 
<small>(resetting indent)</small> I'm pretty sure the title Mother is used in the Pokégear because it is a formal title, and the Pokégear is a formal machine. Basically, I think the player refers to their own mother as mom. [[User:Turtwig A|<font color="#CD7F32">Turtwig's</font>]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|<font color="#FF7F00">A-B-Cs</font>]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|<font color="#green">talk</font>]] |  [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|<font color="#yellow">contribs</font>]]) 00:31, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:And they refer to Lt. Surge as Surge, but we aren't moving him.--[[User:Pokelova|<span style="color:#DAA520">''Poké''</span>]][[User talk:Pokelova|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">lova!</span>]] 00:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
::Well I was basically saying that just for the sake of argument. I'm neutral on this matter, mostly because the difference between Lt. Surge and Surge can work both ways. On one side, one could argue that Lieutenant is called that by the "{{tt|narrator|the guy who says "NAME would like to battle}}". It's the game itself and no character from inside the game, meaning it could be official. The other could argue that it could still be a formal or informal title. [[User:Turtwig A|<font color="#CD7F32">Turtwig's</font>]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|<font color="#FF7F00">A-B-Cs</font>]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|<font color="#green">talk</font>]] |  [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|<font color="#yellow">contribs</font>]]) 00:48, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

==Berries==
She seems to buy a lot of rare berries in HG/SS. Usually batches of 5 of the anti-super-effective berries, I find.[[User:Darien Shields|Darien Shields]] 18:15, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
:It's true! I got some of the Tanga Berries. --[[User:SaitoFX|SaitoFX]] 06:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, that's all she buys now, the damage reducing berries. *looks at page* Holy Crap, that hasn't been updated since HGSS! You can't even decorate you bedroom in HGSS. I'll fix that now. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</sc> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 06:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I got non-berry stuff from her, but can't remember what it was. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 06:55, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::Ah. I couldn't remember whether she did or not, I haven't got a non-berry item from her in aaaaaaaaaaages. I think she must only buy them at the start, then she switches to berries after a certain point. (Thinking about it, maybe I got a {{DL|Poké Ball|Great Ball}}? Not sure) <sc>[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</sc> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 07:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::I once got a Moon Stone from her. I think I may have also gotten a Super Potion as well, but I honestly can't remember. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 07:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::I've changed it so it now says
:::::::''occasionally buys decorations for the bedroom  (G/S/C), or damage reducing berries  (HG/SS) or items such as Super Potions.''
::::::But more information would be nice, it should probably go on the items' pages. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</sc> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 07:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::::I get the randomest crap from her. 9/10 times it's Berries, but she's also bought me two Focus Sashes, some evolution stones... --[[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400">'''Zesty'''</span>]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#3CB371">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 13:45, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Silk Scarf and Moon Stone are the most exciting ones I remember, but I've also got Great Balls and Super Potions. Oh, and berries. &mdash;'''<span style="font-family:Verdana"><span style="color:#000">darklord</span>[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|<span style="color:#0047AB">trom</span>]]</span>''' 10:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

== Mom in Black and White ==
In trivia, it saids that Johanna was the only mother to leave her hometown. In Black and White this is no longer true, cause the mother in Black and White meets the player on Route 2.--[[User:Mattii|Mattii]] 18:34, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:If you see a trivia point which is no longer true, youd don't need to ask. Just go ahead and remove it. Stating the reason in the edit summary will be fine. <span class="sc">[[User:Werdnae|<span style="color:#2D4B98;">Werdnae</span>]]</span> <small>[[User talk:Werdnae|<span style="color:#009000;">(talk)</span>]]</small> 02:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== Page move to "mother" ==

I don't think it's a good idea to move this page to "mother" as every game calls her as "mom". Rather go with the common name rather than a formal name? [[User:Eelamstylez77|<font color="SteelBlue">EelamStyleZ</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Eelamstylez77|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Discuss</font>]]</small> 03:43, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:Mother is what she s listed as in the Pokégear. It seems to casual and personal to call her "mom". Not to mention that most links here are <nowiki>[[Mom|mother]]</nowiki> anyway, since encyclopedicly "mom" is not appropriate. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 14:55, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
::Mom is just the informal word for Mother, so it really makes no difference since they both mean the same thing. If I recall correctly the Motherly figure in the Generation I games were referred to as "Mom" in dialogue, hence the title of this page. —'''[[User:MasterKenobi|<span style="color:#000">Master</span>]][[User talk:MasterKenobi|<span style="color:#0000CC">Kenobi</span>]]''' 19:53, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
:::I actually think "Mother" sounds... hmmm... more respectful? So.... yeah.... "HAPPY MOTHERS DAY! ♥" sounds better than, "HAPPY MOMS DAY! ♥" See?! ----[[User:Sushi2000|<span style="color:Purple">Sushi</span>]] <small>''([[User talk:2000Sushi|<span style="color:Blue">Talk</span>]])''</small> 03:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
::::She was refereed to as "Mom" on [[Mom's Kindness (Majestic Dawn 83)]]. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|<sup style="color:#00008B;">'''Maverick'''</sup>]][[User talk:Maverick Nate|<sub style="color:#00008B;">'''Nate'''</sub>]]'' 13:21, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
::::::Since she's referred to as both in game, it seems "Mother" would be most appropriate. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 23:57, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::::The player character calls her Mom because he/she is her son. As we are only describing a character in an article, so we should call her Mother as we are not her children. And still redirect "Mom" to the page, of course. '''<font color="#0a0" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''' 23:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
::::::::I was going to sat keep it at Mom, but then |) u |( e made a very good point. {{tt|We are NOT her children|Or are we? Mwuhahahaha...}}, and we don't know most of their names, we should probably keep it at Mother, because it's more formal, closer to what your {{tt|average|although this wiki is way above average}} wiki would have it as, and we are NOT her children. '''[[User:EvilKirikizan|<span style="color:#705848;">EvilKirikizan</span>]]''' '''[[User talk:EvilKirikizan|<span style="color:#B8B8D0;">speaking!</span>]] 22:00, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
::Did we ever reach any agreement on this? I agree with trom's point above that when you talk to her in the games, it calls her Mom, not Mother. (I seem to recall her being under "Mom" in the Pokégear too, isn't that right? [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#006400">'''Zesty'''</span>]][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|<span style="color:#3CB371">'''Cactus'''</span>]] 00:01, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
:::By the looks of it, the majority wants this moved to mother. I disagree with the move as she is refered to as mom in the games, and I think other characters in game refer her as "You mom" instead of "Your Mother".--[[User:Force Fire|<span style="color:#444444">'''F'''</span>]][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#858585">orce</span>]][[User talk:Force Fire|<span style="color:#C3C3C3">'''F'''</span>]][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|<span style="color:#D8D8D8">ire</span>]] 00:07, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
::::Actually, she was referred to as "Mother" in the Pokégear (at least in HGSS). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 16:45, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Yes, she was. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|<span style="color:cyan">Pikachu Bros.</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|<span style="color:red">talk</span>]])</small> 16:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

== MOVE TO MOTHER ==

This should be moved to [[Mother]]. After all, in the game she IS called Mother, right? That is my statement. 
And another thing, just put a COPY of the thing as "Mom" and put a link (like related or something) to "Mother". Easy.
waterlubber 23:53, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

THE game? Which game? Besides, BW uses "Mom". I saw so after beating White again. For the sake of the situation I'm referring to, ignore the quotes (Thanks a lot for complicating this, Looker)--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 00:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I have HG and on the Pokégear it refers to her as Mother...I think.
And BTY, it said to tell what I wanted in the talk page so I did. Big deal. I don't have B/W
waterlubber 00:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Black and White are the newest main series games and thus we use what the newest games call them. HGSS also has "Sent some to Mom!" when it comes to saving money. The page ain't going anywhere--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 00:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 
And neither is my opinion. JUST MAKE 2 DARNED PAGES!!! OR A REDIRECT! OR A PROGRAM THAT FIGURES OUT WHICH PAGE DO YOU VISIT THE MOST BY USING YOUR IP OR SOMETHING!!! 
waterlubber 00:18, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Chill, bro. SandmanDP is right, this page isn't getting moved. [[User:Pikachu Bros.|<span style="color:cyan">Pikachu Bros.</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Pikachu Bros.|<span style="color:red">talk</span>]])</small> 00:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Why make a duplicate page? Filler? And a redirect already exists so please calm down--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 00:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:The purpose of making redirects is to have more than two articles that might differ slightly to be joined together. Mother redirects to mom, which is what the player calls her as. I side with SandmanDP here, I'm sorry but Mom will stay as the article. Also, there's no need to get angry. <small>''(Would you guys mind indenting the comments? I get confused and I don't know who is talking and who isn't...)''</small> [[User:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #224a9a"><b><span style="color: #2b5fc7">M</span>asatoshi</b></span>]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #118eb2"><sub><small>''talk''</small></sub></span>]] 00:22, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::Actually he has a point. As SnorlaxMonster stated above it's unencyclopedic to call the page "Mom". Of course it's called Mom in the games, because in the games you are playing in a first person perspective. Otherwise since we don't use other first person pronouns like "You" instead of "Players" I think that the option to move the page should not be shot down. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 00:23, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Except calling Mother "Mom" doesn't break the fourth wall. Also, your logic involves moving Alder to Unova Champion, because that's his formal title--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 00:26, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Well that's diffrent. Alder is his born name, a proper noun, while Mom is not. But if Masatoshi says it shouldn't be moved I'll respect his decision. I just think some of the reasoning in the above section should be looked into furthur. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 00:38, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Well I meant for now, unless a consensus is made. In my opinion, it should be left as Mom, but if you want and try to suggest the change with a poll, then by all means do so. From what I'm reading, seemingly there was a consensus on changing it over Mother, but nothing was done in that time. Since it's happened a more than twelve months ago, a new poll should be created. Let's see what happens this time. [[User:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #224a9a"><b><span style="color: #2b5fc7">M</span>asatoshi</b></span>]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|<span style="color: #118eb2"><sub><small>''talk''</small></sub></span>]] 00:44, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::Again, you said you wanted formal. Alder is not formal. Look at the Xtransceiver, with the player's mom programming her own number in, just like in HGSS's Pokegear. Never referred to as "Mother", always Mom. End of story--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 00:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::::I'm looking at the HGSS Pokegear right now, and it says "Mother" and we don't use "Unova champion" because we alreadyhave a page about the champions, Alder's page is about him in general. It's why George Bush's page on wikipedia isn't called "Former U.S. President". It's just morally correct to call it "Mother" rather than "Mom. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 01:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::You just completely contradicted yourself and missed my point.  You're saying Steven would be moved to Hoenn Champion 1 and Wallace be moved to Hoenn Champion 2.  You're going for formal titles based on one set of games in the previous generation.  The Xtransceiver even says Mom.  End of story. And yes, Mom is capitalized in "Sent some to Mom" and thus used as a proper noun--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 01:17, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
What point are you trying to make then? Explain and I'll listen. Because all your doing is trying to tear down every single point I make. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 01:23, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:The page is staying at Mom because that is what Black & White uses at all times, including the Xtransceiver and the minute the player walks downstairs and encounters Looker--[[User:SandmanDP|SandmanDP]] 01:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::Well ok I see your point there. I guess we can just see what other people think about it. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 01:32, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:::I think the page should stay at Mom.  A majority of the games calls her Mom except for HGSS(only on the PokéGear) and DPPt(given an actual name).  If a majority of games, including the most recent ones, have her name as Mom, that should be how it stays. [[User:Funktastic~!|Funktastic~!]] 02:24, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::::I think it should stay at "Mom" as well. Not just because its what the games call her, but because that's what the players call her. If someone were to come here looking for her page, he or she is most likely to search for "Mom". Now, I understand we could just set up a redirect, but I don't see the point. This is a community driven encyclopedia, and that's what most of the community knows her as best. Yes, it might be a little unencyclopedic, but I think that's okay in this case. That's my opinion, at least. [[User:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#9F00C5">Crystal</span>]] [[User talk:Crystal Talian|<span style="color:#FF00FF">Talian</span>]] 04:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Forget what I said before. Mom and Mother are pretty interchangable. I support it staying. [[User:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">--Pokemaster</span>]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|<span style="color:Blue;">97</span>]] 16:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::Well, in the games like HeartGold, it's saying: "''Player sent some money to Mom''" so it sounds pretty much like rank. So actualy I can't see difference between Mom and Mother after all! I'm not staff member, but I think It should stay like this! [[User:TheSeviper|<font color="#{{poison color}}">'''TheSeviper'''</font>]] [[User talk:TheSeviper|<font color="#{{poison color}}">'''♫ハブネーク♫'''</font>]] 21:45, 13 April 2012 (GMT)
:::::::Isn't this a good day to solve this matter once for all? I think it should be moved, but if a date is not defined to decide this, this page will be in the {{cat|Candidates for moving}} category forever. [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 23:12, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Come on people, let's move it. (and by that i mean move the discussion along.) i think it should stay. [[User:Volcronaperson|<span style="color:#000000; background:#000000">_</span><span style="color:#ff0000; background:#000000">Volcronaperson</span><span style="color:#000000; background:#000000">_</span>]] 23:44, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

MOTHER (in all caps) is also the name of the video game series EarthBound is a part of. If I remember correctly, the reason for calling pages on a species of pokemon "species name (Pokémon)" instead of just "species name" is that we wanted to keep the option of branching out into non-pokemon related stuff. Because the pokemon games can be seen as a spiritual successor to the MOTHER series we should probably keep the option open of making a page on that, and having this page stay at "Mom" would make things less confusing if we did. [[User:Idya Ran|Idya Ran]] 10:07, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
:We have never had any intention of branching out into non-Pokémon-related stuff. [[NIWA]] serves a purpose similar to what you are referring to (in this case [[WikiBound]]). If we ever did want to make an article about the video game series MOTHER (which I don't see happening), it would be made at "MOTHER (series)", while this page would stay at "Mother" with a "If you were looking for..." message at the top of the page linking to it. Regardless, the extremely unlikely possibility of us making a page on the MOTHER series is not relevant to this discussion. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#A70000">'''Snorlax'''</span>]][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|<span style="color:#0000A7">'''Monster'''</span>]] 08:11, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
::This discussion started over a year ago. I think a deadline should be used for this matter, like a stabilished date for the decision. I don't use the forums, but maybe a poll for the users would count. [[User:Duke R|'''<font color="#444" face="Lucida Sans Unicode">|) u |( e</font>''']] [[User talk:Duke R|'''<font color="#b00" face="Verdana">®</font>''']] 17:57, 26 May 2012 (UTC)