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Huh?

Um, TTE? I realise admin's are infallible and reverting their edits is high treason, but why that last edit? It looks utterly pointless unless you've developed a sudden phobia of grey lines. - Cassius335 10:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

It makes sense, to keep all of the Anime information about Ash together and not separated with those lines. So if you look before and after, you can see why he did it. TESHIGIGAS 15:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Not really. The information was all together anyway. The grey lines simply marked where, for example, "History" stopped and "Pokemon" began. 10:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't know how else to explain it other than the page was separated into too many sections. Well, he is an Admin so he has his reasons. XD TESHIGIGAS 15:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Um... The page is STILL split into the same sections (hence those little 'edit' boxes). It's just lost the grey lines. Eh, maybe it's just me, but IMO it was kinda fine the way it was. - Cassius335 18:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... I prefer it, but meh, afterall he has the supreme command powers of the Admins XD. TESHIGIGAS 20:19, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm reducing the header sizes. Single headers make it the same size as the page's title, while the double headers are standard on wikis. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 06:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Standard =/= good looking. Is there at least some way to underline the sub-headings? - Cassius335 14:26, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's better looking now. Before it was "HEY HUGE HEADERS!" We don't need to superseparate the anime section with crossbars. It's all Ash in the anime.
Anyway, there's a way you could add underbars with four dashes in a row: ----

See?


Like that. However, it looks bad. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 01:19, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, you hate the crossbars. Is there anyway to underline just the words of a triple header? Would that work better? - Cassius335 09:56, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

The words

The words? Put <u> on one side and </u> on the other! But again, that looks ugly. TTEchidnaFire echyGSDS! 06:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Beauty, Eye, Beholder. - Cassius335 14:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Meaningless trivia

I'm getting rid of a lot of the meaningless trivia, such as..Other than Ash's krabby and his Ash's tauros, Ash has never caught a Pokémon when his party had six members. (Question; why does that matter?), In each region (except for the Orange Islands), Ash always loses against at least one of the Gym Leaders before challenging them to a rematch (question: If this always happens, people can find it in gym leader's articles can't they?), *A pattern has developed among Ash's Grass starters: Bulbasaur never evolved, Chikorita evolved once and Treecko evolved twice. Many believe Ash's Turtwig won't evolve so the pattern continues. (Put it under the pokemon's pages) *Ash has owned four Pokémon that have also been owned by Gym Leaders. Falkner (Pidgeot), Flannery (Torkoal), Winona (Swellow), and Gardenia (Turtwig). Coincidently, all of them either have bird or turtle-like Pokémon. Other Gym Leaders have owned Pokémon that happened to be either the evolved form or pre-evolved form of one of Ash's Pokémon. Lt. Surge's Raichu (Pikachu), Cissy's Blastoise (Squirtle), Falkner's Hoothoot (Noctowl), and Bugsy's Metapod (Butterfree). Another coincidence is that three of the four female Gym Leaders own a turtle/tortoise-like Pokémon. (Wow, this has to do with what?) And a couple more. Revert it if you want but all the stuff I took out was meaningless our better suited in a different article. Some more stuff could probably be taken out as well. Muffin Man 20:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

You're overthinking it. Trivia is trivia: Random bits of information that might show up in a quiz one day. - Cassius335 13:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree there's too much trivia, but there's no need to get rid of it. Not all of it is meaningless. It just shows pattern in the Pokémon anime. Maybe we should create a page just for patterns in the anime? The trivia like the grass starters and trivia on other pages can be moved to it. TESHIGIGAS 16:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Why not split it up into a page called "Ash's trivia section"? It is so much trivia! Pokémon Lover King Mario March 3 2008 14:16 (GMT +01)
Because that would be pointless... 448Crystal Lucario448 13:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Exactly, though a pattern page seems more and more useful each day. TESHIGIGAS 486 15:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I dont think any Trivia is Pointless David Aipom 190

For now, what about dividing the section into subsections? There's at least two possible ones, "Ash" and "Ash's Pokemon" - Cassius335 14:16, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I think that's a good idea :) David

Aipom 190

Ash's other 3 Pokémon

Under Ash's Trivia Section it says he has caught 50 different Pokémon however I count only 45(47 if you include Larvitar and Haunter) I have Bulbasaur, Charmander, Charmeleon, Charizard, Squirtle, Caterpie, Metapod, Butterfree, Beedrill, Pidgeotto, Pidgeot, Raticate, Pikachu, Primeape, Muk, (Haunter,) Krabby, Kingler, Seaking, Tauros, Lapras, Snorlax, Chikorita, Bayleef, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Noctowl, Aipom, Gligar, Heracross, Phanpy, Donphan, (Larvitar,) Treecko, Grovyle, Sceptile, Taillow, Swellow, Torkoal, Corphish, Snorunt, Glalie, Turtwig, Chimchar, Starly, Staravia, and Buizel I don't think I forgot anybody. anyway its bugging me so please tell me who the other 3 areBobtherandomguy 18:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I suspect that number is counting the Arbok, Weezing and Meowth from the Exam ep (Temporary Section), though it probably shouldn't. - Cassius335 01:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

No, it isn't Arbok, Weezing, and Meowth since the text said he has caught 50. The correct 2 Pokémon that you forgot were his manga Pokémon:

The text never said that it only counted anime Pokémon! --Theryguy512 11:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The article is almost entirely about Anime Ash to include Pokémon exclusive to the Electric Tales of Pikachu(at least I assume thats the manga your refering to) seems completly out of place considering they are not in the same continuity family. You should not mix pokémon from the different continuities it only leads to headaches. However if your talking about the Exam Pokémon that doesn't make sense either I mean its like rental pokémon at the Battle Factory they are not considered yours. I believe it should say Ash has caught, traded or evolved 45 Pokémon and 47 if you include Haunter and Larvitar. Bobtherandomguy 19:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Manga Ash =/= Anime Ash, any more than either of them = Red. - Cassius335 12:04, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
So they should be seperate articles??? O.o 493OptimatumTalk|12:24 7 Mar 2008
That's a whole other discussion. The point is: Manga Ash's Pokemon shouldn't count for Anime Ash's total. - Cassius335 12:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah, yesh, but of course...So...we fix it? 493OptimatumTalk|12:39 7 Mar 2008
I agree with the manga not counting, cannon goes something like: Games→Anime→EToP→Special→Other. So manga is 3rd cannon and almost lowest form... so take it out.

448Crystal Lucario448 12:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Ash's captures in order:

  • Pikachu, Caterpie, Pidgeotto, Metapod, Butterfree, Bulbasaur, Charmander, Squirtle, Krabby, Raticate.
  • (Haunter), Primeape, Muk, Tauros, Charmeleon, Charizard, Kingler, Pidgeot, Lapras, Snorlax.
  • Heracross, Chikorita, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Noctowl, Beedrill, Seaking, Bayleef, Phanpy, (Larvitar).
  • Taillow, Treecko, Corphish, Torkoal, Grovyle, Swellow, Snorunt, Glalie, Donphan, Sceptile.
  • Aipom, Starly, Turtwig, Staravia, Chimchar, Buizel, Gligar.

So yes, apparently he only has 47. Damn. And I was so thrilled, too. Get evolving, boy, I wanna see you break 50 before we get a Gen V Pokémon! TTEchidna 22:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Heh, who knows, they might be saving Riolu to be that lucky 50. I'm thinking 48 will be Monferno (although continuing to be used primarily as a Fire-type like Charizard was), 49 will be either Tangela (to replace a departed Turtwig) or Gliscor (prior to sending it to Prof. Oak's), and then 50 will be Riolu. If 49 is Tangela, Gligar will end up going to Prof. Oak's as a Gligar to make room for Riolu and 51 will probably be either Infernape or Tangrowth; if 49 is Gliscor, it will go to Prof. Oak's as a Gliscor to make room for Riolu and 51 will be a Snover to replace a departed Turtwig. --Shiningpikablu252 23:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you on "Riolu is lucky 50" and Monferno, but what part of your butt have you pulled "Tangela", "Snover" and "departing Turtwig" from? - Cassius335 23:13, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
"Departing Turtwig" comes from how Paul's starter ended up being Turtwig and not Chimchar, and how Ash doesn't go for all three of a country's starters anymore like he did in Kanto (where Squirtle was kept opposite Gary's Blastoise) and Johto. Either he'd have to drop Turtwig or get a Piplup, and we all know the latter's not happening anytime soon. Note that I never exactly stated how Turtwig would depart--it might end up on Brock's team for all we know. Tangela and Snover are the likely replacements for Ash's obligatory Grass-type slot after Turtwig departs. --Shiningpikablu252 23:24, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
So how does "Ash only has two starters" = "Turtwig" is leaving"? And Paul's Torterra has only ever been seen as Torterra, so I don't see the conflict. - Cassius335 11:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


I too fail to see how Paul having a Torterra means Ash will get rid of Turtwig. Gary had a Blastoise that didn't stop Ash from having Squirtle, Casey had the Chikorita line but that didn't stop Ash's Chikorita/Bayleef. And then their was Ritchie who has like all of Ash's Pokémon. Ash's rivals almost all have versions of his pokémon. I also don't really see the anime writers specifically making sure Riolu is number 50 they likely don't have a tally of all of Ash's pokémon just so they can give him Lucario eventually. I also am going to assume Ash's team will remain that way for quite a while with an evolution being the only thing that will happen. Ash never releases anything really. Butterfree went to mate, Pidgeotto had to protect its own kind, Lapras was going with its family, Beedrill was a gift for Casey and Seaking it was just part of a contest. For Ash to give Turtwig away because Paul has Torterra seems like something that would be very hard to explain canonically. The most logical explanation for Turtwig leaving his party would be to Oak it but if he were to do that he would probably grab something that was at Oak's already. I think Ash is going to have this party for quite a while. Bobtherandomguy 11:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
^Yes, very true, And besides, May ALSO caught a Bulbasaur AND a Squirtle, Despite the Fact that Ash already has those Pokémon. So, really, people having the exact same pokemon as someone else isn't an excuse for them NOT to catch it/evolve it. ~~Weedle_McHairybug~~
Um, guys? Can you please move this onto forums???? You're clogging the page.--Theryguy512 13:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

lucas?

Is it just me or does ash's gen 4 apearance seam simaliar to lucas.just look at there hair,shirt and pants.Darkmaster0 23:08, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

This has been commented on previously I am almost certain they chose to have him dressed like that purposely as a reference to D/P its been mentioned(I believe) at the Ash's clothing article. Bobtherandomguy 23:21, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I put that in Ash's trivia before but Zhen Lin deleted it just because he doesn't think their outfits look alike. --'ケンジ'ガール 04:53, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Ash's Gligar/Gliscor

Hey all I don't know how to change sprites, so could someone do that for me? His Gligar evolves or something because in Giratina and the Sky's Bouquet, it's a Gliscor. Just Go to Pokebeach.com, and go to Friday March 21 and it will have a vid watch it. There is also a swinub. Dawn anyone???--Arceusguy 01:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

LOOK! WE ALREADY KNOW ABOUT THE VIDEO THAT IS ALL OVER YOUTUBE BUT WE WILL WAIT TILL SOLID PROOF. WHO KNOWS THAT CAN BE SOMEONE ELSE'S GLISCOR AND SWINUB. EVEN THOUGH PROBABLY NOT, WE WILL WAIT TILL SOLID PROOF APPEARS.486PokeManiac102492 01:48, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
Indeed, no speculation. It doesn't matter how much it seems that he'll get Gliscor and Dawn'll get Swinub. If you go back to the "AIPOM'S GONNA EVOLVE!!!!" incident... you'll see that we do nothing until the episode in which X happens is aired, where X is a new capture, evolution, or release. And why? Because if they pull a fast one, we don't wanna have to undo a billion edits, and as well, everything's as of the most recent Japanese episode. Did Gligar evolve in DP072? No. Did Dawn catch Swinub in DP072? No. Did Jessie release Dustox in DP072? No. Once the episode in which the event happens has aired (7:00 PM JST, most Thursday nights, which translates to 10:00 AM GMT Thursday morning) then we do everything. 'Kay? TTEchidna 06:22, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Ummmm...I agree with Pokemaniac102. I know that Paul has a Gliscor, but there might be a new person who has a Swinub.DaPikanator56 13:50, 22 March 2008 (UTC)User:DaPikanator56

Used in Battle or Reappearance

I think that if a Pokémon has been used in battle or it has appeared in more than one episode (and befriends Ash), it should be listed as one of Ash's Befriended. That's only:

  • Haunter
  • Larvitar
  • Hippopotas
  • Riolu

486PokeManiac102492 16:17, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

But if we include Riolu and Hippopotas then people will say that we have to include Lucario and Latias too. Haunter and Larvitar are special - they get in because they were a part of his team, just not officially. This isn't the case for Riolu (and I question whether a two-parter is much above a movie) and Hippopotas is just this region's Spoink. --FabuVinny T-C-S 21:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Then include them! For heaven's sake it's only six486PokeManiac102492 22:42, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Can't argue then can you Fabu-Vinny?486PokeManiac102492 00:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Haunter only gets in because the fandom has a soft spot for it. Yet Lucario doesn't because it's... what was it? "More like a human friend"? Which is balls, frankly.

Hippopotas at least has the distinction of spending it's episodes riding around on Ash's head. And Riolu is "The Pokemon whose Aura closely matches Ash". - Cassius335 10:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Just because I wasn't online for those two hours means I can't argue my case? Please.
It's all about the line. We have to set it somewhere or things start slipping into stupid stuff. In this case, the Pokémon list is for those that Ash actually owned. Haunter and Larvitar are the exceptions to that, not a category of their own. Haunter followed Ash to help him in a Gym Battle and Ash carried Larvitar around for multiple episodes. Latias/Lucario/Riolu/Hippopotas are just Pokémon he befriended. Maybe they were more special than the other Pokémon of the day Ash was friends with but that is a subjective term. --FabuVinny T-C-S 12:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
"Latias/Lucario/Riolu/Hippopotas are just Pokémon that he befriended What's the title of that category??? Befriended. And they are the very special ones that he befriended. And I asked TTEchidna and he said that he really didn't care so I stuck them in anyway. OR At least MENTION them, and not completely disclude them from the article. And he NEVER EVER really owned Larvitar, only carried him around for a while. And, what? I'm getting the feeling that you don't want them in cause they come from the films or they're too new486PokeManiac102492 14:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Haunter's "help" was somewhat minimal. The Soul Badge (or was that the Marsh badge?) ended up as one of Kanto's many "pity badges". If "providing Ash help" is a criteria, Lucario beats Haunter cold. - Cassius335 23:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Yea! Lucario, Latias, Riolu, Hippopotas all helped AshPokeManiac102 23:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
You are missing the key point: The Pokémon section is for Pokémon that Ash has owned. Larvitar and Haunter are special exceptions that are noted due to their circumstances. (Haunter was obtained with the intention of using it in the Gym Battle. It still used its moves on the field and won Ash the badge, if not in the way he intended. Larvitar had a whole mini-arc being carried around by Ash and was even used in a few battles.) If we let those four in, then it leads the path open for people to come in and insist that we should list the many other Pokémon he has "befriended" and "had help from". Hippopotas, in particular, isn't that special beyond having a second appearance.
And that piece of ad hominum is unfounded. As it happens, I really like the aura plotline and would not object to any of the four being mentioned in the main text. But this is about the list of Pokémon owned by Ash. The line has to come at around Larvitar/Haunter and certainly not after them. --FabuVinny T-C-S 00:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Then you either need to retitle the "Befriended" sub-section to something else (because you are wilfully ignoring the definition of the word), or stuff like May's Swablu needs wiping. - Cassius335 09:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I changed it to "unofficial" then. That seems to represent the point of the section better. --FabuVinny | Talk Page | 19:26, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
That works. Still not sure that was the original intent of the sub-section, though. - Cassius335 20:33, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
*taps May* One more thing: does this apply to other pages? - Cassius335 20:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

A question about the pokemon he's seen

Has Ash seen all pre-generation 4 pokemon apart from Raikou and porygon2, if we include all japanese episodes and movies? -chrisriley64

I do believe so. TTEchidna 23:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
He did see a mecha Raikou in Wattson's Gym. Surprisingly he actually knew what it was. I'm mean there are some Pokémon he saw before that he didn't know what it was.
He probably won't see Porygon-Z either. --ケンジガール 05:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Would that count though? - unsigned comment from Chrisriley64 (talkcontribs)

No because it wasn't real. --ケンジガール 09:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Befriended

I see the Befriended section is back... until FabuVinny sees the page, anyway. - Cassius335 09:19, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I want to know when anyone gave the impression that this was an issue of being canon... --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 10:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I want to know what definition of "attach" you're using. Lucario spent most of the movie feeling betryed by Aaron, his "master". Those are not the emotions or words of someone who was unattached. - Cassius335 11:44, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

3rd movie

in the 3rd movie short film, they had a party celebrating a year together [ash and pikachu]--Animal 03:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's true. Personally, I like to use that scene as evidence for time passing in the anime (which could also mean that the characters age). And by the way, that fact itself sounds more like a Pikashipping hint, if you ask me. But hey, I love Pikashipping, so of course I see that scene as a hint. XD --PokemonTrainerLisa 10:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I would do that, But since characters don't age in the Animé, Just leave the age alone. Force Fire 10:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
We've already gone round in circles over aging in the anime and the only thing everyone can agree on is that he was ten at the start. Since that is the only canon age, that is what goes in the article. Meanwhile, have a look at the link on Comic Book Time in the aging article. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 10:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Poké Ball

I thought Gary gave Ash both halves of the Poké Ball form their tie. Did he give Gary his half back? Hatsumi 14:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)Hatsumi

Yes. He returned Gary's half in Gotta Catch Ya Later.. --FabuVinny |Talk Page| 15:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Ready to debate Bellsprout

I don't think that should count. I mean lets just say Ash gave a Poké Ball to Dawn and she captured something. Would we count it as Ash's. Probably not. I think it only matters who through the ball and not who owns the ball. --ケンジガール 02:08, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Very true. If we did it that way, Totodile would belong to Kurt because he gave Ash the ball. Mooites 02:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)Mooites
That shiny Sandslash I caught in Gold must belong to someone who dropped the Great Ball on Route 32, then. TTEchidna 05:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Yep. --ケンジガール 05:46, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, GIVING someone the ball or losing a Great Ball, not bothering to pick it up, and just leaving it for someone else, those are different from stealing one's Pokeball. Besides, I got this from the Bout with Sprout trivia. I'm Missingno. Master, and I approve this message. 10:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

If the trivia for Bout with Sprout claims that Bellsprout belongs to Ash by any stretch, then it is in need of correction. Trainer-c 10:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, think of Brock and Tauros.--KukiTalk 13:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Kuki? Hey! I'm the one who started this whole Bellsprout thing and about Brock's Tauros, that's something we agree on! So what about the Squirtle?Taviource 20:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

It's just I thought the unique sprites are clever, that's all.--KukiTalk 20:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree, but the glasses are drawn wrong.  ;)Taviource 20:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)