Talk:Tsareena (Pokémon)

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Name origin

Hello, we could add to the name origin: Tsarina that means a female monarch from Russia, Serbia or Bulgaria. Syphonaire (talk) 13:42, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

This is not Tsarina, this is Tsarevna.--DreamSoulshine (talk) 17:20, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

I have also made a brief search on the net and came to the conclusion that there is no word called Царина Tsarina in those languages, I think it should therefor be changed to Царевна Tsarevna which means "daughter to the tsar". --Raltseye prata med mej 22:07, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Tsarina is how it's spelled in English. glik^glak 22:36, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Whoops, my bad, I searched Царина and that ended up in "did you mean Царица or Царевна". :P --Raltseye prata med mej 23:15, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Sailor Moon reference?

Is it just me, or are Tsareena and her pre-evolved form Steenee possible references to Sailor Moon? Steenee is similar to Rini while Tsareena is similar to Serena. Rini and Serena were the first dub names of Chibi-usa and Usagi. Steenee and Tsareena even have similar hair-like appendages like Chibi-usa and Usagi's pigtails, making them look like rabbit ears. However, Tsarenna has three when Usagi only has two. Also, Chibi-usa is Usagi's daughter from the future. Another reference is the queen status that Tsareena has. She has the new ability Queenly Majesty. In Sailor Moon, Usagi (aka Princess Serenity) would later become Neo-Queen Serenity. --PKMNAdventurer (talk) 15:41, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Purple Mangosteen

Bounsweet, Steenee and Tsareena appear to be based on the Purple Mangosteen fruit. Hense the connection MangoSTEEN and STEENy as well as TsarEENa.

Mangosteen fruit has a deep red-colored rind which contains soft white edible fruit inside when peeled or cut.

Tsareena might be a reference to a legend about Queen Victoria offering a reward of 100 pounds sterling to anyone who could deliver to her the fresh [Mangosteen] fruit. Although this legend can be traced to a 1930 publication by the fruit explorer, David Fairchild, it is not substantiated by any known historical document, yet is probably responsible for the uncommon designation of mangosteen as the "Queen of Fruit".

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_mangosteen --Himushi (talk) 16:37, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Name origin

Can Tsareena be an adaptation of the Russian word "Царица tsaritsa" or "Царевна tsarevna" (or a combination), which means the wife of a Tsar (a Russian monarch), which can be a reference to it's beauty? Lokki (talk) 18:09, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes I do agree with you, it is very plausible that it might derive from those words. --Raltseye prata med mej 20:37, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Russian name

The Russian transliteration should be as follows Tsrina|rumeaning=Transcription of English name --Raltseye prata med mej 20:37, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

Adult-related content...

I wanted to ask why someone's opinion on this Pokemon is being treated as a fact, claiming Tsareena's origin related to a dominatrix. Nothing in any official media portrays this and seems quite inappropriate to have on effectively an encyclopedia. If this is to stay, shouldn't this warning apply to other Pokemon as well, such as Lopunny's reference to Playboy in its origin. Or, an even worse offender, Salazzle and her Pokedex entry directly referencing harems in official media. I do think this is more inappropriate than someone's opinion on Tsareena. DraculHemming (talk) 05:36, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

No one's opinion is being treated as a fact, the origin section on this article is written using the same "may" and "appears to be" wording we use for all other origin sections when we have no confirmation. If you disagree with the assessment of the section, feel free to make your case here and we can change it if we come to a new consensus. Minibug (talk) 08:00, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

The drawback is, as a type of encyclopedia, folks will treat what's on here, even with terms of "may" or "appears to be," as fact. So certain things always have to be watched carefully. It would be one thing is the dominatrix description matched some form of appearance, like Incineroar being likened to a wrestler or such. But no aspect of Tsareena's appearance or traits in media give it that appearance. I do feel that origins trivia should be kept closer to focused on appearances. If Tsareena had something like whip-like appendages or even more well-placed black in its color scheme, I could see the argument being made and easily dropping it. But if Tsareena is going to have an advisory on its trivia, I would feel Salazzle's Pokedex entries would be something to have as well. If I was a parent, I would be shocked to suddenly need to explain to my twelve- or ten-year old what a harem is, especially considering it leaves little to interpretation through double meanings, as opposed to Tsareena more accurately portraying a proud queen though its Ability and Pokedex entries. DraculHemming (talk) 19:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Salazzle's Pokédex entries are content lifted directly from the games. It's not really our responsibility to censor or warn about that (especially when there are regulatory agencies such as the ESRB or PEGI made to do such a thing).

What's on Tsareena's page is clearly being presented as an educated guess (with some evidence that, IMO, cannot be dismissed out of hand); if people read something phrased ambiguously and take it as explicit fact, then that's their problem. I'm not clear on what exact part you're disagreeing with, whether it's the presence of an educated guess period or if you take specific exception to Tsareena's as being too far-fetched. The latter is arguably up for discussion (although I personally disagree), but the former has high potential for a slippery slope and would lead to most origin sections being outright gutted if taken too far, given the relative dearth of info on developer-confirmed inspirations for most species. In general there has to be some level of allowed nuance and interpretation, or our coverage would get incredibly stilted and awkward. Driftin Soul (talk) 19:31, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

The main part I disagree on is the educated guess. I can accept the argument on leaving Salazzle without the advisory since the content itself is ripped directly both from in-game and official media like the website. But what official sources on Tsareena actually led to this educated guess being enough to include it in the trivia. The most I can really see myself from it is a name reference utilizing loose Japanese slang, which is pretty difficult, in my opinion, to be enough. And its appearance alone does not give much reference either. The most we get is closer to a queen, as referenced in its Pokedex's personality descriptions and its own ability. But I do feel that its current descriptions of referencing a dominatrix and BDSM to be more of an extreme stretch in general. If there is something I'm unaware of, then that's fair. I would honestly accept it at face value at that point. I do understand certain things are up to interpretation, especially when it comes to origin trivia since we don't have as much official sources on that. It just really feels like someone made the choice to add this in their own mind and make it so, which is a bit extreme for what is ultimately a kid's game. My worry turns into how far will someone's loose interpreting go before others need advisories like Mienshao's whips for example. Like I've said, if there's something I've missed someone knows of to show, I'm open to being more open on it. At day's end, what someone's own head-canon is is for that person. I just think we should keep things at least as close to family friendly as things can be without reaching too far. DraculHemming (talk) 23:42, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Is defining a harem really that horrible and kid-unfriendly? Just say it's a practice in some cultures where one person has several spouses. It isn't anything inappropriate because you'll obviously omit anything of adult nature. Kikugi (talk) 23:18, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

I think there used to be one on Lopunny's page, no idea why it was removed. Don't think we need one on Salazzle's - if this is mentioned in the game, then the player is supposed to know the nature of its relationship with Salandit anyway. Also, nothing in official media portrays Mawile as the futakuchi-onna or Kartana as a paper cut, and yet we still include those. All three of these have their possible origins mentioned, because all of them are apparent enough to mention, without any definitive wording or treating anything like a fact. The only difference with Tsareena's is that its is adult-themed, but this is exactly why we have the Maushold template. Kikugi (talk) 10:35, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

i removed the Parental Advisory template from Lopunny's page after i rewrote the relevant section to be more neutral/genericized (from "It may also be an inspired caricature of a Playboy Bunny" to "This combination may ultimately allude to the concept of bunny girls"). bunny girl costumes esp in Japan do not have as explicit of a connotation as they are in the west, and i worded the current sentence with the argument that "bunny girls" is now a semi-common pop cultural thing and no longer simply an explicit adult mag reference.

(i may re-add the Parental template if others are arguing for it, but for now i think it's fine.) anZAsquiddles 2222(:D)SSSS (talk) 12:23, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

The point of an encyclopedia is that it should be uncensored. That being said, I do agree that the template is really silly and should probably be removed. Biblical Bambi (talk) 20:43, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

This is a more fair interpretation. Bunny girls are seen in plenty enough media to not directly relate to anything more adult-oriented. But yeah, name-dropping an explicitly adult-oriented magazine would be a bit more out there. DraculHemming (talk) 23:44, 29 August 2025 (UTC)